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Emacs versions are becoming more and more buggy
[deleted] · 2022-09-12 09:25
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jangid · 2022-09-12 09:35
I don’t know who told you to use v29. It is not yet released and it will probably be released in the end of 2023 or early 2024.
Bug fixes are priority in the already released version.
takutekato · 2022-09-12 09:42
Most likely the fix will be incorporated into Emacs 28.2 as there won't be Emacs 28.1.1.
pudentia · 2022-09-12 09:52
One of the maintainers.
pudentia · 2022-09-12 09:52
My point is that the fixes are not made.
takutekato · 2022-09-12 10:01
Can you provide the mentioned bug report link? I want to know more about the situation.
7890yuiop · 2022-09-12 10:07
I count 330 commits since 28.1 for the newly-tagged 28.2, so bug fixes are most definitely taking place.
I do understand your frustration -- if a specific fix you want is scheduled for the next major release, it can be a long wait. Still, you can always run with the patches yourself in the meantime.
Arguably, Emacs releases are becoming [less and less buggy](https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2022/09/06/lets-party-like-its-1999/), but of course which bugs you consider important is rather subjective.
jangid · 2022-09-12 10:08
In my experience, this never happened. That a maintainer has never asked me to use a development version instead of a stable release for a bug to resolve at my end.
pudentia · 2022-09-12 10:22
Gaslighting me will not solve the problem. I encourage you to go through this very forum and see how many times users have been encouraged to use a developmental version to resolve a bug problem.
pudentia · 2022-09-12 10:23
Of course I cannot go along with your last paragraph,
[deleted] · 2022-09-12 10:26
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pudentia · 2022-09-12 10:45
Ad hominem attacks will not solve the problem.
Icommentedtoday · 2022-09-12 10:49
users != maintainers. Emacs maintainers don't do this as far as I'm aware
ftrx · 2022-09-12 11:18
I have a far shorter experience but I see such kind of "quality decline" on ALL software and products I use, so I think it's not much an Emacs problem but a social phenomenon.
I mean since actual society is on the brink of a deep crisis, new and nothing new as any deep crisis, tools equally suffer, because we have reached a point where competences on one side waning, accumulated complexity from the past pile up too much and overall interests start to fall apart.
For instance citing images: these days it's normal to feel the need of having embedded graphics stuffs from clickable UI elements (like buttons), images, videos, ... Emacs was born as an editor, in the classic sense, witch was "a human-computer UI", what today is typically called "windows manager"/"desktop environment" or "desktop shell". LispM use Emacs this way surpassing older models/rediscovering classic Xerox desktop model. Than a middle-age happen with the spread of unix (CLI) and Windows thereafter for decades. Nowadays graphics is normal on our desktop but decades of Emacs development was not much focused on that and newcomers do not know much about Emacs architecture AND modern graphic to change such behavior...
nnreddit-user · 2022-09-12 11:33
> it is not fixed in its current version if it has been fixed in a subsequent version
For the overwhelming majority of non-life-threatening bugs, this is standard operating procedure.
> Something must be done about this or users are going to quietly drop off into VS Code
We lost that battle long ago. Emacs users have resigned themselves to a Lost Cause preservation society who occasionally get together to reenact key battles.
jangid · 2022-09-12 12:57
Do you report bugs on Reddit?
mee8Ti6Eit · 2022-09-13 08:28
If it's a feature very few users use, then it's up to those users to fix the bugs. No one is obligated to fix it for you, at your demanded speed, for free.
7890yuiop · 2022-09-14 05:54
Apparently not.