Disabling Lsp-mode & flycheck globally unless toggled on?

When I'm in for example c-mode, lsp-mode and fly-check are automatically started, and it's necessary to turn them off with lsp-disconnect & toggling (global-flycheck-mode). What I've tried so far: 1. c-mode-hook with lsp-disconnect, lsp-ui, global-flycheck-mode toggle 2. with-eval-after-load 'c-mode. The same as above Neither work. lsp-disconnect is not available when I call it in my .emacs config for hooking c-mode (but it is for with-eval-after-load, although that still doesn't work). Global-flycheck-mode is apparently toggled on even if i turn it off by something. I thought, Maybe Lsp is toggling it on? I tried (setq lsp-diagnostics-provider :none) which doesn't seem to make a difference for flychek. Even when I disable lsp manually by lsp-disconnect for that buffer, it seems to always come back somehow and re-enable itself even while i just stay editing that single buffer. Anyone know how I can have these two disabled at startup but toggleable when needed?

Try some variation of (remove-hook 'c-mode 'lsp) In your init. I don't personally see the reason to do this, so I've never tried to stop lsp from initializing.

Are you on some fancy Emacs distribution like Doom Emacs? A vanilla Emacs shouldn't add any LSP hooks unless you add them yourself.

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I'm using doom. I'll try to remove the hook and see if that works, but i'm still curious why toggling off with eval-after-load wouldn't work even if it is hooked.

Probably because the load itself is triggered by the hook, so the hook is already in action. Check the value of the hook and remove accordingly, yeah.