lucid dream strat??

i've tried taking melatonin, magnesium, b12, waking up 5 hours after sleep and drawing, meditation/mnemonic techniques, reality checks, dream journaling. it seems like i have no control over the lucidity or vividity of my dreams. every once in a while i have an extremely vivid usually existential dream, but i dont really dream frequently. whats the unbeatable strat for lucid dreaming/inducing vivid dreams.

>>7241 I found that focusing on my proprioception really helped. At my peak (when I was putting in some effort) I was only getting 2-3 a month. But, I wasn't trying all the stuff you mentioned. I was taking no supplements, meditating very little. I was dream journaling and a good number of reality checks. I was eating a bunch of eggs but I don't know if that really made much of a difference. I did have natural spontaneous lucid dreams, but they were sometimes years apart. I wonder if you might have lucid dreams and forget them if they don't last long, maybe if you have not prepared yourself to stabilize your lucid dreams. It is often best to let the dream move along, exerting your will can make your mind too aroused. I forget how I cam across these next strategies or their names but they work. "Mesmer's strategy" focus on one thing, like the ground. "Sparrow's Strategy" focus on feeling your own body. (maybe this mitigates arousal of the mind starving the processes of sleep of their share of cognitive resources? Could perfect nightly lucid dreaming require conscious facilitation of the sleeping process? idk) Sparrow also apparently recommended focusing on one thing at a time until the details resolve, How this worked best for me was just staring at one thing and letting the dream play with all the texture and grain of the surface while the rest of the dream stabilized, found it's flow. Could this have something to do with norepinephrine (le heckin motivation chemical!) being released when you stare at one place for a solid minute? While I'm thinking about it, I ought to mention that I had the happiest(?) moment of my life in a dream, IIRC a lucid one. Not really sexual, just an emotional release, almost a realization that made me euphorically love myself and what I could genuinely be, a kind person who could be recognized as such in a valid way. oh my, oh me, sweet summer child

I used to lucid dream a lot, what worked for me were reality checks and interrupting sleep. For the checks, pinch your nose. If you can breath through your nose anyway, you're asleep. It's never failed me and is more reliable than other signs. For interrupting sleep, it's best to wake up and go immediately back to sleep without even getting out of bed. It's best if you don't fully wake up. I don't do it anymore though, mental illness fuarrrked my mind and now any lucid dream turns bad within about 30 seconds.

>>7241 You can get started by 3 things: - Start keeping a dream journal. Record all dreams there. Don't wait until morning! Write them right after you wake up or you may forget them. - Do reality checks during the day. WILD - WBTB. Set up alarm to wake you up in the middle of night. Perhaps after 3 hours of sleep? You should also look into dream control and dream yoga. Melatonin can be counterproductive for some. Your brain can also get used to it if you use it frequently. My doc said that I should only use it for 2 months and then take a break (IIRC the break was at least 1 month).

Try buying a piece of Obsidian and charge it in the Earth and or under water for a while before bringing it inside. That’s what I did, and now my dreams are very vivid. Also, if there’s anything negative I can instantly turn them positive. No nightmares.

just drink a lot of coffee before bed. if you can't fall asleep, stay completely still and you'll drift off into sleep paralysis which will turn into a lucid dream after, as long as you don't move.

>>7241 It's a well documented phenomenon that benzodiazepines increase the intensity and lucidity of dreams, more so than meletonin, which I can attest to. However, they're also harder to acquire, dangerous and addictive. I've experienced a lot of lucid dreams throughout my life even without drugs, weird sleeping patterns, journaling, nonsense magic rituals, etc. which has lead me to be confused about why people try so hard to get them. They're really not that interesting. I wouldn't bother

lucidity is part remembering them in the first place, most people dream every night (multiple times usually) its a matter of remembering them. So first in order would be the issue of you not dreaming frequently. Interrupted sleep as some have hinted at is the best method of recalling a dream, but I dont see any need to be unhealthy. Im not sure where i heard this but it works any time im not recalling dreams I start doing it and my recall of them improves just within a few days. When you wake up immediately write down what you dreamed, like first thing even if you are still half asleep. Thats no duh advice but the secret is that if you think you didn't dream still do this and then try try to remember and if still nothing just write "I do not recall having any dreams". This isn't scientific observation but my thought is that on waking before we even are consciously thinking our brains are like "Ah, the real world, dump everything that just happened". You might remember key details or strong emotions that your half asleep waking brain can make connections to in your waking life, but the rest goes out the window which is often all of it. Its like if you are in your head stuck in a kind of train of thought, which I think is partly the nature of dreams. You really only remember the key realizations of this train once you snap out of it or the last thought in the train (if anything). thats most important. ive certainly had what people describe as lucid dreams but im skeptical of even myself regarding how much of it is just that i really remember it. I do seem to have more of a conscious presence in lucid dreams which owes to the lucidity, but say I have a dream I wake up in my own room its super vivid but i look out the window and its not the view I remember and I realize im dreaming. Awesome I think, and I conjure up a hot babe to have sex with, we get into it and it gets too intense causing me to wake up. I remember everything including the fact that when I really think about it that hot babe would actually be terrifying looking in real life and I would not want to have sex with her. I remember I have a partner so even if I had that power I had in my lucid dream my first order of business would probably not be to conjure up a hot babe. So these supposedly lucid conscious actions I had in this dream were in many ways not in alignment with the actual conscious decisions id make at all, in fact the dreams I have where I am out of body watching myself react to the demons and joys my brain creates around me often reflect my behavior much more. I know the nature of lucid dreams does not inherently include dreams where you realize its a dream, but the self awareness that comes with lucid dreams often leads me there. These days I dream often every night and remember them, some are very vivid, but I myself am never lucid in them except maybe once a year. My brain has created a thing where if I start to become self aware I am in a dream it will create beautiful almost scary explanations as to why what is going on is real. IE oh my god a meteor is about to hit us, there is no way that would happen, this is a dream, its going to hit and I will wake up. Instead it will hit now and the dream will continue and il have a whole transition to the afterlife and then continue the dream there. If I am becoming lucid and I notice something off about my surroundings, other people in my dreams will provide convincing little arguments as to why I am remembering it wrong. I prefer it this way, I learn more from these dreams I think.

I suppose the first step of lucid dreaming is dreaming. May I suggest to use the REM rebound effect? It work like this: if your previous nights of sleep didn't contained enough REM sleep, your body will get mmore when it can. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK560713/ So, if you were to take a product that make REM sleep less likely, I can think of alcohol but there might be better alternatives, for two nights and then had a lot of physical activities during the day, in theory you should have a lot more REM sleep during the following night.

>>7416 Is that so? Would be very interested in a sauce for this.