Sleeplessness

Sleep deprivation results in an altered state of consciousness. What are the lainons' experiences and thoughts on it? Personally I think it's a rather pleasant "high", and it actually improves focus IMO because your ability to multitask is greatly reduced (therefore, so are distractions). Also, listening to some space rock after staying up for 48 hours or so feels great.

I'm a pretty boring guy. When I'm sleep deprived, I just start to get paranoid and see shadow figures in the corner of my eye, lolz

>>6056 According to many studies and personal experience, it's like being drunk. I've blacked out from it after several days, and I know other people who have done the same. You also start hallucinating and the line of awareness gets blurred so you can go about entire monotonous tasks without any recollection. That is bad in a lot of fields where your job puts people in danger. It is dangerous while driving, and many preventable accidents could have been avoided like the Exxon Valdez oil spill.

>>6058 How long did you go without sleeping when you started hallucinating and blacked out? I did 2-3 days and it was alright. No hallucinations, but it's true that I was doing stuff in 'auto mode' which is actually pretty awesome imo (but yea, not if you're driving or doing something that can put others in danger).

>>6056 If I don't sleep at all one night or if I sleep only for a couple of hours, I can't function normally. My memory becomes bad and I can't concentrate at all. Not to mention, I start feeling like soykaf by afternoon (headache and slight nausea). I also start making some really dumb mistakes more often than normally.

>>6059 It's much worse if you go without food and water. Usually you start seeing things once you become exhausted. Sleep deprivation alone usually just fuarrrks with hormones and memory, but trying to fight it while physically tired is soykaf. I can't confirm an exact time, but sometimes after a day, or sometimes 3-5 days of persistent sleep deprivation. Working in a high stress job, you learn to deal with it. Sleeplessness is considered an occupational hazard. It comes about when you start strenuously working whenever you have the urge to sleep.

After about 3 days not sleeping, I get anxious about trying to sleep and as a result cannot sleep, and it takes a couple more days to remember how. I have no desire to do that again.

>In 1959, 32-year old popular radio personality Peter Tripp decided to stay awake for 8 days and nights as part of a publicity stunt aimed at raising money for charity. It was the most daring sleep deprivation ever attempted, and virtually every researcher and physician warned Tripp against the idea. But Tripp was determined, and so on a cold January morning, he placed himself in a glass booth in the middle of Times Square so that curious onlookers and fascinated scientists alike could observe his activity as he went for 201 consecutive hours without sleep. >At first, Tripp seemed to cope well without sleep. He was, after all, considered to be a normal and well-to-do man by his family, friends, and listeners. His initial broadcasts during his experiment were entertaining as he remained cheerful and humorous as usual. By day four, however, Tripp began experiencing terrifying hallucinations, imagining spiders crawling in his shoes and mice scampering around him. >At times, his psychotic symptoms were so severe that physicians were unable to test his physiological functioning. Tripp also grew increasingly hostile; for example, he became convinced that the physicians monitoring him were conspiring against him, and would experience angry outbursts during which he would attack them. By day eight, Peter Tripp could not differentiate between his hallucinations and delusions, and reality. He had in fact, essentially “lost his mind”. >Eventually, Tripp was able to endure over eight days of sleep deprivation — thereby breaking the world record — and upon completing his feat, slept for twenty-two hours straight. He awoke seeming to have recovered from the wake-a-thon and resumed his radio job; however, it was later evident that this experience did not come without long-term consequences. Tripp continued to show psychotic symptoms beyond the charity event, lost his job, divorced his wife, and was rarely heard of by the public ever again.

>>6056 48 hours?? you really are amazing, lain. i can barely stay up for 24 hours before i can no longer resist the call of sleep. even when i was a teenager i couldn't stay up that long. i need more sleep than most people, too. i wonder if they're connected?

>>6056 Other than hallucinations and blacking out during the day, I have these very vivid dreams and what I can only describe as lucid hallucinations where I'm semi-conscious, like half awake half asleep. I usually only sleep between 2-3 hours a day and I can fall in and out of these hallucinations about two or three times a day. I don't know how long they can go on for because loud noises usually snap me out of it. They are really creative and surreal experiences. The downside is that I can't concentrate, I can barely read or watch a film and I walk around looking and feeling half dead. The worst thing was when I had one of these in front of my boss, I hallucinated her getting up and leaving the room as it turns out I spent a good 10 minutes hanging of the chair drooling while she angrily stared me down. The workplace shrink is now on my tail, put with the rest of my weird behavior, they think I'm some kind of schizo.

>>6061 Yea, that makes sense. I always have food and plenty of coffee whenever I do this, and it has been alright so far. >>6063 To me it's not even anxiety, but it's true that it just feels weird to be able to sleep after staying up for so long, I also have some trouble trying to sleep, and I'm also way more prone to sleep paralysis. >>6066 Thanks lainon. It's not all that amazing though, but it certainly has it's perks imo. I got into the habit of not sleeping correctly out of necessity and it then it just developed into some sort of addiction. It actually feels good imo, but definitely not healthy and can certainly fuarrrk you up as another lainon said. >>6067 That's really interesting, thanks for sharing. Never had sleeplessness induced hallucinations (except for sleep paralysis) although I also had a really soykaf sleeping schedule for way too long.

During a long bout of depression, I didn't sleep for about three and a half days. After the third day, all my sensations were restricted to more basic functions and I distinctly remember continuously putting my hand down on random objects just to make sure I wasn’t able to phase through them. I’m not fully sure why that is, though. I suppose that I just needed to make sure I was still awake and not dreaming.

>>6056 Please recommend space rock

I've always been a pretty restless person; melatonin junkie since age 9. I fell off a roof the other day, ironically on a day where I hadn't slept in about 30 hours give or take, and badly fuarrrked my back. Thankfully no broken bones, but I got a real nasty scrape and it burns like lava whenever I rest, and due to the impact of the fall I have soykafty stomach muscle cramps so I can't sleep on my side easily. Now I basically sleep when my body gets so tired that it allows me to forget the pain and pass out

I like you op, we should not sleep together. I've had sleep/adhd problems for the most of my life, I've been scrolling thru anon board since 9th grade, skipping the school in morning. now here is my take today - going to sleep after 00:00 is bad for health. e.g. 2,3,4 ..am. it's better to use sleep calc and have sleep from 06to07:30. not following those rules makes drowsy unproductive sleepy adhd day. I still can't and it's hard to make proper decission wether 20m powernaps should be allowed. they make me feel better, and they are good before 2.pm., but if done lately they can have weitd impact on sleeping schedule, so I won't feel sleepy enough at 01am unable to go to sleep properly. so, recently noticed, not having sleep for 24h (1 night), and having a proper sleep right next night, kind of heals, recovers sleep quality, making REM sleep deeper. and I felt overall better day after. subjectively helped with mood/focus. in ancient traditions they had similiar customs in autumn/winter/spring . I did had 20minune powernap after sleepless night. It's important to not overdue it longer to not go in to other sleep stage to not become drowsy. >>6064 oh you just reminded me I almost kicked some ass & faces, the next day after sleepless night, that was hard, felt anger & irritation. in detentions 'they' sleep deprivation as torture method

I study law and literally feel myself getting stupider the less I sleep. It seems obviously deleterious to me. Even missing a few hours ruins my day, sleep is the greatest thing on earth. My greatest memories don't exist because they are all of me unconscious having a perfect snooze, and I say that as someone who never got a single good nights sleep in secondary school because of drugs/ internet/ home life. I would say our sleeping patterns in modernity are not healthy. Look up doreville or "dead sleep"- premodern people woke in the early morning to pray, write and work, then slept again. This seems to have been a natural thing for most of history

>>6056 Never experimented with sleep-dep myself but a friend of mine used to stay up for days when he was still alive, mostly on mdma, pcp, and lsd.

>>6056 I don’t like it due to my responsibilities, but that state feels more real than any other despite clearly feeling off consciously. Feels like I’m waking up, realizing that nothing that braced me during regularities have gravitational pull outside of it.

Most I got was 36 hours straight, and I hear voices and music deep inside my head. There is also a tunnel impression with every sound I listen from outside.

Sleep just allows your brain to clear toxins that build up. You can get the same effect as sleep deprivation and "altered consciousness" by just poisoning yourself.

>>6056 IMO it's a useful but ultimately really soykafty drug Some of the worst short-term and long-term side-effects you can imagine in a drug for very modest benefits.

>>6064 This reminds me of a girl I know who stayed up for like 7 days straight because of a traumatic rape. She tried to act like she was fine and was outgoing for the first 2 or 3 days so nobody suspected anything, but everyone saw her condition deteriorating by like day 5 when she started screaming and throwing dishes in the community kitchen when someone accidentally splashed dishwater or something. The paranoia was also really evident. Eventually she just got so tired she crawled into bed and we didn't see her for like 2 and a half days. She said she slept for over 20 hours and then after waking up for food, slept for another 15. There was even a fire in her building and she slept through it. She told me later that her roommate woke her up hours later like OMG I didn't realize you were still in bed, the building was on fire hours ago! For context, she had a huge plushie nest and had buried herself under them and so her roommate thought she was just not at home.

>>6056 chronic insomnia single-handedly makes me consider suicide. suicidal depression is indeed an altered state of mind. watching yourself gradually but permanently lose lucidity and the capacity to fully experience anything, caused the literal brain damage associated with chronic sleep deprivation, is indeed a surreal experience. gradually, you start to realize what it truly means to be a physical being

I become very irritated with life and basically get extremely depressed. It is like being drunk but without the euphoria and just the nausea and constant pressure headache that makes you want to plunge into a tub of sleeping pills even if you knew it would cause cardiac arrest. It`s a progressive thing. Phase one you think you can deal with it and it will just go away if you try to sleep it off. Phase two is when you start hallucinating and hearing voices if you`re wired for them. Phase three is when you start laughing uncontrollably in bouts by yourself from the lack of sleep. There`s also memory black outs after a while or straight black outs. Super strange feeling and honestly people might underestimate their ability to do dangerous things like driving or riding a bike thinking they're able and will push through, until they end up in the emergency room with a tube sticking out of their chest.

>>8131 There's no building up of toxins. That's a lie from science (tm) to keep the npc cattle in check. Soldiers can be trained to stay up to a week without any sleep.

yes entirely, totally completely entirely.

>>6056 glad to hear this reported from another person too. it is exactly like being drunk, similar effects like lowered motor control, losing peripheral vision etc. it is good for creative tasks because the barriers between concepts in your mind get lowered. nowadays, my favorite method is the "444" strat. work 8pm-midnight, sleep midnight-4am, work 4am-8am. so four hours sleep and eight hours work in twelve hours. much more productive than an all-nighter because it forces you to get the work done in 8 hours instead of 12 i recommend the above to anyone who will listen to me talk, so im glad that other lains in this thread understand the appeal

>>8678 you do build a tolerance eventually and require staying up longer for the same effects though. i enjoy "trip-sitting" friends who are doing all-nighters for the first time and haven't built up the resistance

>>8773 did a late night. slept with the sun. even though i was likely less productive coding, it was so much more relaxed than my normal vibe. the night is special like that.

I've had certain periods of sleep deprivation where I black-out and hallucinate pretty strong, even after missing one night. As a writer, I had the brilliant idea to try write during this state, it's really something. Feeling on the verge of falling asleep, you feel you go unconscious, everything goes dark, then you open your eyes when you've 'come to' and there is a whole piece of written work there. I've not heard of people doing this before, and if I may be permitted to name this genre of poetry, I henceforth call it 'hypnagogic poetry'. My first one was mostly gibberish but had interesting rhythmic properties, new words formed with interesting rhythm and texture, but there was a problem that I was so tired, my hands wavered sometimes and typed the wrong keys, so one half is readable gibberish, the other half unreadable gibberish. Here is an excerpt from my most recent 'hypnagogic' poem, which was a lesser state of sleep deprivation than my first, but I can certainly say there was a hypnagogic influence because I would not normally write anything like this. The difference was stark, jet black industrial length hair fishnets stockings fall on flow on the floor, hit rock bottom and wash up on shore, Joe Camel holds the dart upon his mouth, fat spick neck. I water the garden and hose the planets and never cease to stop and desist. I don't need relief, I need nothing. He gawked and slowly put the phone on the floortop down and floated on down and forked and pound Carcock the lab jack mate, buddy, I have a sock rush epidemic blust upon the atmosphere, shake it buddy. Hit crockotop and never sinkatted the hammerette in our handes, swoote is the rain music, birds whistle death tunes, metallic shrieks, and their spawn suffers in grey rotting decay