Summoning Dark Spirits

I seem to see when people get into magick, they seem to always get into it for the sole purpose sometimes to "Enlighten" themselves, talk to "celestial" beings, get rid of demons in their lives, learn how to interact with spirits more in dreams, follow all these different kinds of pathways, or just to learn for the sake of learning But has anyone actively tried laying around demonic creatures? Like summoning them to just torment random people, open up wormholes for demons to launch out of and attack a local populace, and just for experimentation too, has anyone ever does this? I've been thinking of getting further into the dark arts, if anyone believes in such things, and I thought this would be ways I could do so, just for the heck of it and to explore, while seeing the world I influence get worse or better, personally for the people around me worse, just because, it feels like a fun activity

Fool. Idiot. Baaaka! Take up spiritual defense first, get really good at that, and take this soykaf more seriously. The worldly gain is not worth the price, and you don't need to put your own well being on the line just to prove something. You will learn it to be true without needing the hands on experience. As of now it is obvious you do not have the experience nor wisdom to partake in such a dangerous activity.

Work on issues you have instead of trying to cause issues for other people. >>5544 What do you think works best for spiritual self defense?

>>5545 In short, do what you can to understand yourself. See post linked at the bottom. Beyond that you may end up doing rituals, making patron spirits, and various other techniques related to spiritual defense (do your own research). Personally the latter I have largely discarded, because those that have been deeply knowing and involved in the esoteric arts I've generally observed to be immoral and psychopathic, the same whose teachers have essentially written all the common texts by proxy, if not directly. People trust results, but tend to pick up the explanations of why the results came uncritically it seems. Personally, without greater understanding of the big picture and more of my own discovery to come to a more assuring conclusion I will not partake in any of the instruction from these texts except by coincidence or inspiration for my own work. >>/lit/7834 (not sure if that's how it's done, but it's the thread titled "Books on metacognition")

>>5545 >>5544 I don't want to really gain much from it, and I don't have anything to work on, I just want to cause chaos, my mind is a wasteland, I don't think much of anything now a days, and I just think about darkness or some kind of pitch blackness with silence I don't think about wanting help or needing it, wanting other people, this world's already done enough pain to me for wanting to accept it or thinking I need help, if anything I feel like the world accepts for me to do this, like in a good way

>>5586 So external pain caused an internal landscape of suffering. Now you wish to create more external pain. I think you should instead do what you can to identify and minimize your external pain, clean up your internal landscape, and foster healing and good. Turning to evil due to suffering is a natural response out of weakness, a self destructive solution that yearns for not only to be expressed but also to be understood, since it has failed to do so itself. You know it deep down when you do generalizations such as 'people cause X' that it is lazy and disingenuous, but since you're currently in a weak state you do not care. This is no foundation to decide action on as it is flawed itself, and will destroy all that relies on it in time. Take a step back and detach your problem solving from your emotion, and how your perceived problems truly affect you. Do not confuse the world for your world, and do not think the weight of the world is yours to bear. In other words, take care of yourself and your world will follow. All else failing, time will heal.

>But has anyone actively tried laying around demonic creatures? Yes, these people are called retards.

>>5590 I'm just trying to have fun anon, why so sour?

>>5591 Try asking around hot topic.

>>5592 >>5590 >>5586 >>5545 >>5544 After a week of testing on the same street, there has occurred an incident of two methheads attacking someone's car on that same street, is this perhaps related? I'm going to keep testing and seeing what happens lainons, I think it may be related since the town I live in doesn't usually have this issue, especially since it's a small area.

>>5593 Hmm what's the suspect, demons or meth? Tough call. Same thing?

>>5594 who knows, I'm gunna keep experimenting

>>5557 Ah I see. I believe it should look like this with thee arrows >>>/lit/7834 >>5586 You said you have nothing to work on then proceeded to explain how you have problems in your mind describing it as a wasteland and basically blank on thoughts. You are best doing things that only effect you because you should know you the best and can be aware what is occuring more. When it's just people you know or random people you wont be able to draw any conclusive results. Get your own mind in control. If you can't even control your own mind how can you expect to effect anything external to you?

There also is no reason you should think of chaos as inherently dark. For example passionate romances can very chaotic. People winning money randomly can be chaotic. People miraculously getting diseases just randomly vanish can be chaotic. Fires that suddenly dont burn anything can be chaotic. Basically anything unexpected could be considered chaotic.

of course people have summoned demons. demonic invocation is one of the most popular forms of magic. just take for example the lesser key of solomon, one of the most popular grimoires of all time, which is only about summoning demons.

>>5589 I view going through pain as a form of strengthening and hardening of the soul, pain makes you stronger, when ur muscles ache after hours of strainous lifting, running, and more, you put ur mind and body through moments of great stress for in the end to have stronger muscles, when you put urself through the viewing of constant horror films, you strength urself to the pain of horror where no more films are no longer scary, it does not only build strength, all struggle to me builds character, without external or internal pain, I feel I would be weak and I would lack, I want pain, and to cause it, in a both sadistic and masochistic manner, in the end it's for fun and love of pain, finding pleasure in that pain. I understand you should not exert urself to death, this is what time heals when the aching of muscles goes away over time, but I do not seek to runaway from any pain at all, and seek to engage, I engage as much as I can with pain, struggle to me is beautiful and sublime. I turn to evil not for weakness, but to get stronger, to shed myself of moral skins, besides too, I want to escape any notion of evil or good, I want exploration. I never said my actions were either of these, goods or evils. >>5596 >>5597 This is true, thank you lainons for giving me this perspective, it definetly makes a lot of sense to work more internally too, but too I do know this of chaos being beautiful and flowers too to some, but that is chaos, chaos to me is dark, and I love this darkness of it, this is the beautiful part of chaos to me, and to some they have opposites When the universe stands still, with no stars, no cosmic activitu, and in a mode of complete mute, that is beautiful to me in this current life, to be able to return the universe to this in various ways feels amazing, it seems it's so tired sometimes from how much it feels everything bouncing in the stellar intestines with a upset stomach

You will be hunted down by forces for this transgression I support them, stop being a malignant glitterboy and reflect on your responsibility as an actor You think you're the first kid to try this?

>>5603 >reflect on your responsibility responsibility for what? I hold no ties or connection to any form of responsibility for this world, if it's forces come after me, let them, and I don't view this as evil or malignant. And I know for sure I'm not the first one to do this. Aleister Crowley would spend time in towns terrorizing and releasing demons onto local populations at times from his haunted shacks and caves with leaving a haunted history around where he went. They didn't call him the beast for nothing. But regardless of that, I accept this hunting down by forces, I allow it personally viewing it as a form of struggle against everything to be something.

>>5604 And also i must add they are probably using you as a mere tool. You are working against all good in this world contributing to darkness, you deserve the lake

>>5604 >Aleister Crowley Was an edgy con man. Same with Golden Dawn and all that. It was made up. >I allow it personally viewing it as a form of struggle against everything to be something. What you are trying to do is to make yourself nothing, because by doing this you will destroy yourself. Youve got enough hubris to be a character in a Greek play my guy

>>5605 >>5606 lol take me to the lake then and let me be nothing, I don't think either will happen, I personally believe I'll just become something else when I die and the universe is chaotic so it doesn't work on the basis of "good" and "evil", I'll just become something else, maybe another human, maybe humans will be gone by then, whatever it is, I'll see once my time comes and my spirit becomes anew,

>>5607 Well soykaf, I'm high and got carried away but... Without infinity then it's turtles all the way down. Yours and my own perspective are similar. Though, for how potentially chaotic reality is, it's hard to say what's after death. Does our soul recycle? Is there layers and loops of being, incarnation, reincarnation, etc? Are we in some nesting egg of consciousness that has become fractal along infinite time? Is it just simply pure RNG at death? I don't know, but an able consciousness is complex. There's a lot of detail to reality that can be added with such a complex variable, at least relative of what in nature we can observe. My own conscious effort to be objective in this pursuit finds that with every theory ends a belief in something... not an uncommon conclusion to come to. As being hopelessly limited to the confines of one's own ability, and knowing sure well reality has had infinite time and you being at some arbitrary point within it, I can only think of any deeply held conclusion as being a delusion. How divorced and marooned from a true conclusion therefore being a question of specificity, point of experience, and depth of observation. In relation to the spiritual world, it certainly seems complex; a fractal of realms and realities. I can think of at least three realms that are unique and individual to ourselves, but all can co-interact (dream, astral, imaginative). Considering this and extrapolating it, as well as taking into account that which seems to exist outside of those three entirely, well... considering this seems to make having any confidence in a grand explanation that makes sense as being absolutely deficient, if not nonsensical. So why would one in this position stake any preceived value on X equaling Y in the existential exoteric? For death, infinity, morality, or anything else? If life is a game it is an absurd one. The only rules I can say for sure are relative to my experience. The human experience, for now. And us, we have a lot of things we know well in this island of being. We know with cognition as well as instinct. And all of this a product of nature. So knowing my island, the rules given to me are near equal to nature. And while it is all possible that nature itself is misinformed, it seems far more likely that it is not as it exists dependent on something else as well. Those rules given inform me of survival, prosocial behavior, morality, etc. That is the ground and foundation from which I interact with the world. So... what level are you trying to operate on exactly? There is surely a place where these rules are backwards as there is a place for everything, surely... but that doesn't matter here. Basically what I'm saying is, be risky skeptic or divergent yeah that's all well and good, but respect life and don't be a dick please. Playing with 'demons' that you don't understand that also hate you is kind of a dick move for all parties and things involved. But hey good news. Judging from your posts you already have a demon hate friend with you and you just don't realize it. You're probably being compelled to explore this avenue by it so it can open you up to further manipulation and oppression. It's hilarious to see how deep in the throes you are already. Time to git gud, brother. t. another Lain with a demon hate friend. Do not recommend.

>>5608 I never mentioned anything out of hate here lainon, I view demons as just spirits, I don't choose to describe things with positives or negatives, just outcome of results, I don't know why you lainons keep thinking that, and our perspectives are not similar, who's to know I'm even the same person talking to you. I could be a group of individuals, just simply rousing confusion and saying things on here, you can not tell me what perspectives are similar because you can not know that, all you have in front of you are a series of texts and images, this doesn't tell you the depth of my soul, my experiences, my feelings, my eyeballs, and more. We can't relate lainon, our demon hate friends, they are all different, you can not really figure this out. I do not know where I'll go, but my dogma is I know I will end up somewhere, I'll just become something else in somewhere else, maybe not even part of this timeline, maybe in some grand battle of "good" and "evil", but I think I choose closer to sit inbetween the dogma, that both labels are tainted. The Cthonic, and the Celestial, I don't view any of them as existing, but all of there being a great flow everywhere, ghosts in the metaphysical all around us, acting, and doing, who knows, my demon hate friend is only as real as I choose to view this demon as a demon hate friend, but I'm sure I have less hate than the lainons I've met on here. I don't care for the absurdity of life, I just want to move into every corner I can to see. Nature to me is unreal and nonexistent, I just see stars exploding and fuming out gasses and rocks forming, my computer is nature as electricity flows through it's circuits, and when I take a sip from a plastic water bottle, it's nature to me, plastic and silicon is nature as carbon and sugars is nature, a mcdonalds is nature while a forest is nature. I don't see nature as uninformed, I see nature being itself. I see people walking in buying big macs, I see people finding whatever ways they can to call people they hate niggers and retards, I see people going around parading wanting tyranny, I see people parading around calling for democracy, I walk and wander to see someone buying crack from a dude in a hood at the train tracks, I see bosses firing people for not being productive enough, I see people murdering others just for basic politics, money, and more. I see the deer getting eaten by the wolf. I see nature, as something that just exists and is there. Life doesn't care for things like respect, life is just a bunch of flows, it can not respect, we only respect because of what we view as respect when if we ask ourselves, we have no idea what respecting really is on a agreed way, only something that satisfies a rule which if broken makes us neurotic and despise a part of ourselves. Just the idea of "NOFAP", is this whole idea of preserving seed, for what cause? While denying the various urges for "celibacy", all for some kind of notion which will never make any sense and is powered by belief, all rationalism, all skepticism, all everything which is "truth" I just wanna have fun lainon, spending the time to worry about so much, that just feels like compelling myself to everything, seeking my own individual to rather not look for experience, and be stuck in everything, if I'm to learn prosocial behavior, morality, and survival, I feel like throwing myself into experience will show me these things more than anything really can. Maybe I'll piss off some demon lurking in the shadows, who knows, I don't think honestly the things I do will make life anymore pissed off. I honestly just think life will just move on as normal everyday, I'm probably just schizzing out, u don't even fully know the experiences lainon, me, what I am, who I am, or anything. I never seek objectivity, nor subjectivity, in this world of both, I just have a small set of dogmas, beliefs, and more which can be related to a small record scratch in the void ur high and got a bit too carried away lainon

>>5609 Words indeed. Heuristics, dogma, life, between... what do they mean?? Well idk what any of us are doing here itt. Go grab life by the horns tiger.

>>5610 You too my friend

>>5610 i'm lost; why am i here?

>>5612 ur just very high lainon

>>5543 Damn, since making this post, I fuarrrking love dark spirits, these mfers the best friends I ever made fr, love exploring graveyards at night now and being brave enough to stand in the woods deep late in the night making woods like a fuarrrking demon

>>5586 I used to wish for chaos and I got more than I bargained for. Remember you only have one life.

>>5825 Interesting. Since I would never fuarrrk with demons I gotta ask. How are they like? Personality? Pros/cons? Learn anything about the abyss?

>>5825 >woods late at night Lol you're just talking to forest spirits or maybe faries. They're only "dark" in the sense that they don't conform to Christian morality. If you go hang around in truly bad spots you will be terrorized and possibly killed.

>>5825 >>5843 Yeah. According to King James (he of the bible translation) there are four orders of common spirits; those who haunt a place, those who harass or follow a particular person, those who enter and possess a person and the fourth being what the peasantry refer to as faerie and other names which sounds like what you two are talking about.

So is this all just about getting high and playing pretend or are you all actually this superstitious?

>>5854 Yes. This post was too short; therefore I will waste a few words. Have a fantabulous day!

>>5847 >>5854 There is some debate that demons can be summoned biblically, as evidenced by the witch of Endor, but doing so displeases god. fuarrrking witchtok or whatever the kiddies do these days on social media where they replace organized religion with witch or pagan influencers teaching "spells" to go along with the weed and antidepressants. >>5842 St. Cyprian has a grimorie about summoning demons to do your bidding. Reminder that he converted to cnristianity after his attempts to seduce a virgin catholic girl failed.

>>5843 idk, i've seen some dark soykaf like corpses being piled upon corpses, i dont even know how darker it could possibly get, im not sure about faeries, but damn, lets hope the future at this point isn't going to be an radiated soykafhole, some dark things lie there, especially in this holes, they are fuarrrking pissed about a lot of stuff, and u humans are absolutely fuarrrked, holy soykaf humanity is so fuarrrked but to be honest too, those spirits in the woods are some of the best friends anyone could make, they really protect you and watch over you, even in those rough areas, I mean too they help train you and prepare you for lots of things too, ur right on those demons being dark, but those demons are kind of just humans being humans, not demons, demons dont really like, care about what humans do, humans just kill themselves, and for scary demons, u need friends to help eat them, those ones are dicks, but some are also dicks for reasons that make sense, u jus need to go through the right holes and into the right places

>>5893 Damn bro you're retarded. Probably abused fans or something.

>>5894 hahaahahhaaha so true my friend

>>5894 *xans I know a little ditty, it isn't very long. Doo-da-whop doo-da-whop now its all done!

>>5896 nah I dont do that stuff, xans and soykaf? fuarrrk that

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