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Polyphasic sleep
Aristóteles Amadópulus · 2020-12-10 08:01
What do you think about polyphasic sleeping lainons? It seems to be the perfect way to reduce sleep time and still be productive and healthy. Do you just sleep 8 hours during nighttime or what does your sleep cycle look like?
I consider trying triphasic or everyman when I don't have to work in summer, it is currently impossible to try it out as long as I have to work from 8am to 5pm five days a week
fsociety · 2020-12-10 15:44
Biphasic is the best! It's great for dreaming. I wake in the middle of the night, but if I had to work outside I'd prefer a siesta for the hottest part of the day instead. I naturally slipped into two four hour sessions of biphasic sleep by simply going to sleep when it was dark. You can't use computer before the first sleep though, or it won't work right.
SHODAN · 2020-12-10 20:59
Biphasic sleep is the natural order of human rest. Look up "second sleep", which is what us anglophiles used to call it.
Drano · 2020-12-15 05:34
This would be such a cyberpunk thing to try but honestly I don't buy it. Why wouldn't we do it naturally if it was superior?
Six · 2020-12-15 05:48
I have a friend who managed to keep uberman for a few month. They said it was incredible, but also hard to keep up with social life/family. I want to try everyman but I probably missed the confinment opportunity
>>3832
what do you mean "naturally"? What's your source about it? And why does "natural" mean better for you?
Unnamed · 2020-12-15 06:30
>>3832
>> cyberpunk cool
>> why we don't do it naturally
What aspects of our life are natural? where do you live? I bet the way you take a dump is not natural at all, that doesn't mean it's better or worse. It should be studied.
I can see what you mean tho but doing it the way it's always been done (in the sense of following what hunter gatherers did) is not always the best solution. It's just the safest in the face of new scientific research.
Acid Burn · 2020-12-15 06:40
>>3833
>>3835
I think I should point you to >>>/r/12147
>I bet the way you take a dump is not natural at all
Well actually it is, I squat down and take a dump, just likeI do when I am in the forest. And I aim to keep my nutrition as natural as possible, so little additives and suger, mostly organic etc because this is what doctors recommend. It is usually good for your health to use the body in a way that it was built for. Sitting in front of a screen for long times is bad for your eyes and posture.
Anonymous · 2020-12-15 06:44
>>3810
Personally, I hope to do the Everyman at some point as well. Based off of what I've read, it seems to be the one people are most successful at getting into when it's attempted and it does have the comfortable trade-off of sleep-time for awake-time so yeah, you'd be more productive.
I think Biphasic is ultimately the best though because supposedly, Biphasic will improve your lucid dreaming. If you're lucid dreaming, you can take advantage of your subconscious using the techniques revealed by Robert Waggonner in his "Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self" book. It's possible to use these lucid dreaming techniques for mere entertainment but your subconscious is basically a supercomputer which can be used to solve the kinds of problems one would ordinarily leave, in a more advanced world, to an AI that could mimick human thinking. Those who've applied the techniques have reported solving programming problems as well as writing problems, both of which would ordinarily be difficult to solve because these are mostly creative problems which, as far as humanity is aware, only humans consciously trying to solve it could solve.
Leto Atreides I · 2020-12-15 06:48
>>3836
I am >>3835
> I squat down and take a dump
> little additives and sugar
That's based lain.
My position is we should adopt a primitive lifestyle (as much as possible) until we are smart enough for soykaf like singularity.
If it's proven to me that deep sleep is all I need I see no problem trying uberman out, might as well build some antifragility while I'm at it :)
Ein · 2020-12-15 07:12
>>3832
>why wouldn't we do it naturally
biphasic sleep is natural. the reason people now sleep in one phase for 6-8 hrs is so that they can do more labor. (started during the industrial revolution)
Crazy Jake · 2020-12-15 15:22
I tried this as a kid (around 15yo), I think it was something close to Everyman 3 in OP's pic. Did it for a couple of weeks, then got pretty sick, just a regular bad cold but I slept most of the time for a couple days and afterwards reverted to a normal sleep schedule. I didn't retain many memories of what happened during those weeks. It was a weird melancholic state of mind however, really distinct from normal daytime consciousness, fundamentally lonely I guess. I had lots of plans for what to do during the extra hours alone in my room like learning contact juggling for whatever reason.
Nowadays I sometimes sleep around six hours during the night and take a nap in the afternoon. It's only sustainable in the summer when I generally have more energy, and doesn't really save that much time. Idk, sleep is pretty nice, I'm getting old.
Miho Iwakura · 2020-12-15 15:41
>>3835
Naturally in the case of sleep would imply better rest. The body has adapted for hundreds of thousands of years to follow certain cycles. Taking a soykaf with tools isn't really comparable, since you're still going soykaf like you otherwise would. Some of the alternative sleep schedules might be acceptable to the body, but I would be wary until they're studied better to ensure they actually yield the same benefits needed to the brain and body.
Lord Nikon · 2020-12-15 15:57
>>3836
do you realize that if you're aiming for a natural sleep cycle, it would probably be something like a 48h cycle with ~20h sleeping phases? Are you doing that lainon? If not it's very very bad, you're not natural at all!!! [source: Michel Siffre works]
Gyula Kovacs · 2020-12-15 16:10
>>3844
That doesn't really make sense, people and other apes alike tend to operate on a 24h clock. The sleep schedule you're indicating would be very disorienting and likely detrimental to your ability to function. The differences we're discussing revolve around scheduling sleeping periods vs. awake periods.
Hitomi · 2020-12-16 02:51
first 4h30 night, went okay I guess
I tried to nap ~3h after i woke up and I'm not sure if I managed to actually take a 20min nap or not. It's hard to tell if I'm sleeping.
I'm going E2 btw
Dox · 2020-12-17 04:48
>>3847
well 2nd night and I failed my 4h30, slept 6h instead
So i skipped the first nap
i really have no idea what i'm doing
Fearless · 2021-03-14 17:14
Sleep pattern: Dual core 1
Second day on polyphasic sleep. Not sleepy at all, actually i'm feeling way better and rested than in monophasic, the only difference is that i feel my mind, like it's working more, dunno exactly how to describe.
I'm being very strict with the dark period, nothing but red lights 2 hours before every core.
Hiro Protagonist · 2021-03-14 17:39
>>3844
I have no idea where you got that from, but for what it's worth I've had a few opportunities to actually do a 48 hr sleep cycle and I really like it. Problem is just that it doesn't really work out with how things tend to be scheduled, and if you fuarrrk it up by staying up too late or going to bed too early your sleep schedule will be fuarrrked for *weeks*. Like I said, I've tried it a few times when circumstances permitted, but it always ended with me becoming completely nocturnal or some soykaf.
Mario Rossi · 2021-03-16 16:39
>>3810
Biphasic TED is retarded. When I do it, I feel detached from reality and that life is going on without me.
Drifter · 2021-03-17 20:05
>>3810
There's also sleep chronotypes (dolphin, lion, wolf, bear), you probably may have heard of it though.
Most people are biphasic and often times they feel sleepy during midday. This is due to the temperature drop of the body. Some people also tend to be night owls maybe their ancestors were lookout/watchmen and it's become genetically ingrained through time (although this would mean most people may possess if not some but most of these genetic codes so anyone can be any type they like however they can only express a bias into one type in particular).
As long as you could complete your sleep cycles you'll be fine.
I've tried more than biphasic and I just end up losing more time from being disoriented after waking up. Biphasic is good enough and you can do a 4-5h sleep and <1h (optional) nap (or espresso nap) which can give you a total of ~18-20h of time awake.
Just avoid excessive naps (having two cycles during the course of nap) which may give you headaches and feeling of vomiting. This is where caffeine comes into play for biohacking and making sure you only get through <one cycle.
The biggest problem is when you wake up your body isn't ready to work itself up immediately that's why it becomes a flaw to 2< phase sleep.
Another is you can just optimize your monophasic sleep (4-6h sleep) by keeping track of how long one cycle of sleep occurs to you and while doing that you may even get your brainwave into the sleep phase with binaural beats and slow breathing exercises. When optimized monophasic sleep feels inadequate (lost cycles), you can just turn it biphasic at your choice.
Joey · 2021-05-28 18:34
>>3837
I can confirm that biphasic sleep works for lucid dreaming. I've been trying to lucid dream for the past year and only ever had about one a month, but recently started getting up after 5 hours and going back to bed 2 or 3 hours later and (with the help of Claridream) have had 6 lucid dreams in the past 8 days. As soon as I get the hang of it and can reliably stabilize them, definitely trying some ideas I got from reading that book.
Hacker · 2021-05-30 18:10
>>3810
I'm trying segmented right now (biphasic), and I'm really having issues getting into it
Drifter · 2021-06-26 04:33
How the fuarrrk do you sleep for 20 minutes during the day? This summer I want to adapt to everyman 3 but it's really hard.
I did biphasic previously so never had any issues with doing entire sleep cycles but when I try to sleep for 20 minutes my heart feels like it can jump out of my chest every moment even though I didn't do any physical activity beforehand.
I've tried napping right when I woke up and it worked perfectly, I would get up for a few minutes, go back to bed with an alarm set for 20 minutes and have intense dreams during that time.
I have sleeping buds and a sleep mask to cover my eyes so I get the highest possible quality of sleep.
While we're at it, what activities can I do during the adaptation period that will keep me busy without requiring too much thinking? The only one I could think of is cleaning or doing dishes.
Koos van der Merwe · 2021-06-26 14:21
>>4735
If you want to have more free time you should stop using imageboards
藤原純一 · 2022-01-28 06:19
>>4735
How did it turn out? Are you now on everyman?
Zhora · 2022-01-28 09:25
I'm using something similar to the Siesta, but not because I wanted to, but because of college lol. Never knew there was a name for that kind of sleep pattern.
Eldon Tyrell · 2022-01-28 11:30
>>5194
Nearly a year later but I quit polyphasic sleep completely due to my drug usage. When I come home I just smoke a bowl to make sure I don't feel the fatigue of the schoolday anymore. Not good for you in the long-term but I'm currently going through a hard time and I will pick up polyphasic sleep again eventually.
Drano · 2022-01-28 11:57
>>5196
But did it actually work though for some time at least?
>>5195
Me too, but I'm still sleeping 7.5-8 hours at night and then 20 mins in the afternoon kek. Don't know why I need so much sleep. Why don't you like it though?
Mitnick · 2022-01-28 13:36
>>5197
Oh, no I like it. It fits pretty well in my schedule so far. I just never noticed it.
To add to my last post, Whenever i get breaks, however, i fall back into a monophasic schedule. i'm pretty much alternating between the two.
(Cats have it so easy...)
Demeere · 2022-01-28 16:27
I tried Uberman a few years back and managed for a couple weeks, but ultimately stopped because being up in the middle of the night sucked. I was too awake to sleep and too tired to do much more than be lonely.
Everyman and biphasic, though, were totally doable― I've managed to do both at different times. As other people've mentioned in this thread, biphasic is the easiest to maintain. However an Everyman similar to the 3 above (with an earlier core) also was just fine, but harder to adjust to.
I honestly think I was the best-rested I've ever been on a biphasic cycle.
Haruyoshi · 2022-01-28 23:33
>>5197
I failed multiple attempts at everyman but a 30 minute nap at 16:00 has proven to already be extremely effective so Istuck with that. It really helps with clearing all the fog in your mind so that you feel like being productive again.
Monophasic sleep is just terrible and life is definitely more fun with an occasional nap break.
A few tips I could give you is to sleep on the floor to make sure you don't get too comfortable, the temperature of the room is ideal (about 18 degrees celsius) and that you're able to keep yourself occupied. Light exercise like a 30 minute bike trip can also help with keeping you awake during the night.
Hacker · 2022-01-29 01:35
I don't really want to reduce my sleep, rather increase it. Sleeping is that one thing I am looking forward to all evening, I sometimes go to bed really early just to avoid doing any actual work. I can't really afford to sleep this much, because uni should keep me busy all day, but sometimes I just don't want to do anything and sleeping feels like a good way to help me be more productive after I wake up, only that I do the same every day and never really do soykaf. But I would imagine that if I were to try uberman or stuff like that where you have way more time than the average person, I wouldn't know what to do with all that time. I can't force myself to do hard work that needs focus for more than a couple of hours, and doing easy stuff like cooking or other chores only takes some hours per day as well.
John Rain · 2022-02-20 13:12
>>3810
Has anyone got any experience with Biphasic TED sleep pattern? If so, what do you do between your two sleep episodes?
Lain Iwakura · 2022-02-21 11:30
>>5228
Been doing the Biphasic TED for the last week and a bit and I usually read in the two hours
Lady 3Jane.. · 2022-05-11 02:24
The first 3 work, which is why people do them already in various cultures. The others don't work. I tried one where I'd sleep 4 hours at night, 4 hours during the day for a while. I'd end up sleeping the night hours, just lying in bed awake for the day hours and feeling altogether exhausted.
We're built to get sleepy when it's dark for a period of hours each night and can't really move beyond that.
Project 2501 · 2023-04-02 10:10
I tried polyphasic sleep in my twenties, but the brainfog and exhaustion was too much. I love sleep. Getting enough of it makes the waking part of life much more fulfiling. That said about once a week i do a 36-48 hour awake / 12 hour sleep. I like it.
Koichiro · 2023-04-03 23:32
Biphasic Siesta is actually pretty much my sleeping pattern.
HELIOS · 2023-04-05 06:28
Oh hey! I remember this thread. I'm
>>5195
>>5198
Out of college now with a degree, and I think my sleep pattern is locked in a biphasic-like pattern. Coming back from work, I'll head to my bed to sleep it off a bit, and then wake up a few hours later to practice my hobbies, than sleep off the rest of the night.
If i were to make a pie chart of it, it would look like 2~3 blue / 3~4 yellow / 6 blue / rest of day yellow
Don't know about you guys, but is it easy for you to break your sleep schedule? and if so, is it hard to recover from it? (In other words, is it difficult to break your natural clock?) I find it easy to recover as it is the break it. I'd miss my first nap, but I'll always wake up at 6~7 and feel fine or, at worst, a bit sleepy.
Crash Override · 2023-04-05 07:55
I sleep eight hours a day and still wake up feeling tired as fuarrrk. How does one reduce their hours of sleep? Do you stop feeling tired eventually? Or are those 4-5 hours of missed sleep always gonna be felt? Sleep itself is a sort of fear I have. I don't like being unconscious and not experiencing time. If I could minimize my sleeping time, I would be really happy. But I don't know if I can function like a human being guttering down my current sleeping schedule.
An interesting thing I notice is that waking up from 4-5 hours of sleep is great (from the occasions of staying up too long after weekends) but waking up from 7-8 is consistently terrible. I can't practice anything because my living environment forces me to a monophasic cycle, but biphasic seem very comfy and I wish I could practice that. I have never lucid dreamed so maybe that would be a nice plus.
Agent Jones · 2023-04-05 10:30
>>6155
>Do you stop feeling tired eventually?
I guess so. When I wake up, (usually at 6) I always doze off a bit only to wake up every few minutes until it's 7 or almost 8. Not sure if a good practice, but for me it helps to wake up. Maybe it's because, in the end, i have enough motivation to kick myself out of bed or the extra dozing off actually helps with waking myself up... eh. I can't be sure.
>An interesting thing I notice is that waking up from 4-5 hours of sleep is great (from the occasions of staying up too long after weekends) but waking up from 7-8 is consistently terrible
I used to sleep for 6 hours a day and feel ok. parents came with the conclusion that "I just don't need that much sleep" and I guess there's some truth to it. I think it's because i was always forced to wake up super early during my scholar years and I adapted somehow.
Terzibashjian · 2023-04-05 17:24
>>6155
instead of trying to change the times you sleep, try improving the quality of your sleep.
- record yourself to see if you snore heavily
- get some blackout curtains to reduce noise AND light
- try some white noise
-stay away from caffeine for 10 hours before bedtime
Y.T · 2023-04-24 07:26
>>6155
this happened again today. Slept for 9 hours on Saturday, 8 on Sunday. Couldn't sleep at all this Monday, I feel like I stayed up all night. Must have slept for 4 or 5 hours max. But despite this, I woke up feeling really energetic. It's almost unnatural. There is a drag on my eyelids but my mind itself feels like it is years younger. I was so tired going to sleep too, I kept thinking how bad it would be to wake up, but then I did, and I hadn't felt so energetic at 6AM before in my life. Sleep is weird as soykaf.
I'm considering starting a 'sleeping journal'. Keeping track of the exact hours I go to bed and get up, and also writing down a prediction of how much time I feel I was actually asleep after waking. Might help to organize better sleeping schedules. I can remember pretty much everything I do at night when I'm not in deep slumber, down to specific trains of thought. For example, I remember trying to picture different train intersections layouts for a particularly long time, discussing my internal monologue's mimicry of streamers I watch, remembering reading a lucid dreaming blog and trying to hazily follow steps for WILD. I have long winded discussions with myself day and night but these conversations are particularly vivid at night when I am unable to sleep. The only problem is the anxiety I get from losing sleep and being tired the next day. My schedule is pretty tight.
>>6156
>doze off a bit only to wake up every few minutes
I do that as well, on weekends. I notice I am more aware my surroundings shortly before my alarm rings. It's like my body grows to expect it.
>>3838
>snore heavily
Well, once I fall asleep, I do. Should I be concerned?
>blackout curtains
my room is quite bright at night. i think that would help. wouldn't a sleeping mask do the same thing?
>white noise
i think the fan in my room already accomplishes that. i don't know if I could sleep with headphones on, if that is what you're suggesting.
>stay away from caffeine
you ask too much of me, lainon.
thank you for the advice.
Koichiro · 2023-04-29 21:12
been running dual-core 1 [5hrs 20m] on-and-off for about 9 months now. long post with some advice::
- the first month or of polyphasic truly is fuarrrking awful. you will be sleep deprived during the day until the nap, and struggle to stay awake during the night periods. worst is around 3-4 weeks in - in my case i was extremely irritable, dissociative and went through a bad suicidal period. for this month all of the "extra time" you earn is going to be wasted just trying to stay awake. after this awakeness will slowly improve - took about 2 months before fully accustomed and able to work at 100% during the night periods.
- most polyphasic schedules are at least a little elastic, so move sleeps around as you need to. polyphasic.net has "x as much as you like" schedules which look dumb as fuarrrk but give you a good idea as to how far you can move the sleeps in each schedule.
don't just make up a schedule and assume it'll work out. try it for a while [trust your body etc. etc] but there's a good chance the schedule you're actually headed for is "no schedule." if you're coming in fresh pick something from polyphasic.net that you can roughly fit into your existing schedule and make small changes from that.
- polyphasic will fuarrrk up whatever ideas you had about how much you need to have lined up for a day. you need to have a lot of soykaf to do, because during downtime you're going to be both bored and exhausted, and will probably default to sleeping. unfortunate conflict: you need to do something, but whatever you choose to do is gonna end up soykafty because you're too exhausted to focus on it. get into some kind of easy but active hobby: video games are the go-to, check out any local nightlife, exercise is great but don't overdo it. do not just rely on watching soykaf to fill time! you will fall asleep. if you've been putting doing anything unwanted off [cleaning etc.] do it in that first month, since you'll be glad to have something to do and "fun" tasks would feel just as gross anyway.
all standard advice about sleep quality applies tenfold. get blackout curtains [or just cover ur windows in cardboard], keep your sleeping environment as dark as possible, earplugs as necessary, orange filters as u approach sleep periods, etc. etc. if you're headed for a demanding schedule these are essential upgrades to survive that first month, although u can wane off a little once accustomed.
- review your meal schedule. you're going to be staying awake an extra 3-4 hours a day - do you want to stay on three meals? if you do, have them prepared to eat just after waking up where possible for the instant energy. dc-1 makes this pretty easy; usually have enough spare energy to cook for a while after waking up, so there's less planning involved. even so, consider four smaller meals - i put an extra at 03:30, coming out just above the recommended 2500 calorie intake. have been gaining a little weight so maybe still shoot for 2500 overall, but obviously experiment with your own needs.
either way if you're not awake for at least 5 hours at a time absolutely drop processed sugars. they fuarrrk up your energy levels and the crashes bite way worse than usual. same goes for caffeine, probably other drugs too. eat complex foods to extend your energy output across your longer day - porridge topped with berries is a great meal for getting a quick energy hit along with some long-term energy, and can be used to easily replace a sugary breakfast. most of my other meals now involve some kind of rice or lentil. again, preference - find what works for you.
- 20 minute naps: for the first week you're lying on the ground for fun, after which they'll become a much-needed respite. supposedly you're meant to immediately enter rem for the full 20 minutes, but that's never happened in my experience. it's more like a very vivid daydream - still a little aware of surroundings but with intense visuals and audio. never skip them - they are far more important than you might think and you will feel like soykaf for up to a few days if you miss one.
as for where, you're going to have to get creative: plan ahead and find somewhere dark and quiet wherever you'll be at the time. difficulty varies - was personally extremely lucky in this regard - after a few weeks failing to find a good spot i just told my manager i have a fuarrrked up sleep schedule. they allowed me home to sleep and to work from there for the remaining hours of the day. honestly if your break room is dark enough you can probably just say fuarrrk it and sleep in there. my two weirdest spots were whilst away in big cities - once in a disabled maccas toilet with a busted light, once at the bottom of a dark hotel stairwell. both were totally unnecessary but it's pretty fun to do. just bring something to sleep on, the spots you'll end up in might be pretty gross.
- don't tell your employer soykaf if you can avoid it. the second you let corporate fuarrrks know you're awake at night they're going to start calling you in for late-night emergencies; at most they should know It's Complicated. witholding the specifics of your schedule in general lets you easily filter anyone bothering you during the night, if you want free time away from certain people
overall: it's fun. try it. i've fallen out of polyphasic a few times but keep coming back because being awake during the night just feels so much better. it's quiet, you can go outside without getting fuarrrkin flashbanged, or speaking to people, or getting your ears drilled by traffic, or getting blocked on pavements, or whatever. just be aware of that first month, and don't be afraid to back down if it's not working.
H.R. Giger · 2023-04-29 22:12
I don't know why people would want to be awake *more*. Sleeping is so much better than concious existence.
Unidentified · 2023-05-28 23:50
I can sleep for 10-14 hours, when I wake up without alarm, and I feel great after it.
I think you can't reduce the time of sleep without reducing the quality.
Terzibashjian · 2023-06-29 13:59
i want to stay up late at night, i don't know if it's good to just stay up til 2-3 AM then sleep, or if i should try biphasic, or if I should quit because it's bad for health. i just love to stay up in the night doing what i like.
any advice lain?
Special Agent Bob · 2023-11-21 01:07
Polyphasic sleep sure looks interesting and could help with my insomnia.
I think I'll try segmented sleep first and then 2-core if I learn how to nap.
Lady 3Jane.. · 2023-11-21 03:10
I pretty much have the pattern of Biphasic TED except that the 2nd time I sleep it's for three hours instead of four for a total of seven hours.
Donna Hawthorne · 2023-11-24 18:00
I always ask myself a question without being able to find an answer:
what is a nap?
In my family, we consider that a nap is a time of 15ish minutes where you close your eyes, let your mind wander off and barely fall asleep, but the goal is to not actually fall asleep.
Is this the type of naps that are implied in polyphasic schedules? Because if by "nap" they mean actually lying down and doing a sleep cycle, then that just makes me feel awful when I wake up from it
Hiro Protagonist · 2023-11-27 18:12
>>6236
thank u for this info lainon
Junichi Fujiwara · 2023-11-29 22:53
reviewed chart options and most of them are soykafe for me simply because i hfate having my day being "interrupted" in one way or another especially if i miss out on the sun.
Jim Hilger · 2023-12-05 04:43
Been doing biphasic TED for a week. It's hard to go to bed early sometimes, but it did give me a dedicated time for reading. I don't see much difference with a normal sleep schedule in terms of weariness
Just another Random Lainon · 2023-12-10 19:54
I thought I had posted before but I guess not.
Right out of high school, I did 6 hr plus half hr starting from a healthy sleep schedule like so:
- Sleep at 10
- Wake at 4, go walking. I probably walked until 6. I would talk to random people I would meet. You can't do that today, there is so much crime. Even then I would carry a knife (actually a short sword in a small backpack so it could also be a hammer but same thing), later on I learned that was illegal but carrying oversized mechanics wrenches is perfectly legal (but you'll be put in jail and will need to argue your way out of conviction). Anyway.
- Nap at noon for 30 minutes. The first week was hard, after that the nap came surprisingly natural. I would usually sleep either outdoors under shade or in the library. I would always be paranoid people would steal my stuff because there was so much theft in the university.
It was very easy once started but I was a post-school NEET for those months so of course it was easy! I noticed no brain fog, and my dream time was the same as before, but I never touched coffee or other things and I always ate very healthily. However, I had to stop once I noticed I kept waking my other 7 roommates because I was so bored at the university in the morning that I would just wander around.
I don't do it today because, as others have mentioned, it is extremely strict! You must never deviate from your habit. Normal people utterly despise working around you, especially when you are more efficient than them. I meditate a lot nowadays and also would not recommend it, because rarely is your bottleneck ever waking time, it is creativity and motivation, and you do feel a bit like a drone on limited sleep, which is ultimately a net performance penalty.
Apoc · 2023-12-10 20:04
>>6558
A polyphasic nap is full sleep including REM sleep. The original idea was that polyphasic was a mind hack to maximize REM sleep, and thus improve bodily recovery rate if that was correlated with REM sleep - you could get more "dumb" labor accomplished. Even the 15 minute naps should have a dream as vivid and extensive as a real sleep-dream and can even be lucid dreams. You usually cannot accomplish this full dream with natural 15 minute power-naps, which are much as you described, though plenty of people in various cultures take sleep-naps of 1-2 hrs at random as well.
>>6596
Correction: Normal people despise not having access to you at lunch, not being able to schedule meetings at lunch, not being able to have working lunches with you. Most normal people are loyal wageslaves, and they want to pull you into an early grave with them. Therefore you start missing naps, thus does such a sleep optimization become a net negative!
Hagbard Celine · 2023-12-12 05:54
It's been about more than a year i had a full-time job now! A few things to note
1) my pattern described in >>6154 is still a thing? It's odd. Sometimes I just won't have anything planned for the night after work and the sleepies sets in by itself. Queue the pattern described in the previous post. Sometimes I'll find sometime to occupy myself and I'll end up skipping the first phase, and sleep the same amount of time on the second phase. so about 6 hours.
I'm not super religious about my sleep pattern so I really just sleep when I feel like it nowadays. Polyphastic used to be more useful during college, but in my new non-academic environment, I don't need to min-max so much anymore.
2) I wake up at 6 AM, doze off until 7. I have to leave at around 7:30 for work. Does anyone else do this? I used to wake up at 6 so I can take a shower and start my day. My routine changed since then and I don't shower during the morning anymore. I never bothered to change my internal clock so it is what it is now. Personally, I'm content with this setup.
Code Scribe · 2026-09-11 12:39
From what I hear medieval europeans used to sleep in the Biphasic TED cycle described in OPs pic. I’ve been wanting to try that for years now but always forget, because I find it hard to start.
I will say though recently I’ve even doing a siesta cycle, with 5h30m and then a nap in the middle and I hate that.
Cannot recommend. It kinda messes with my whole day.
Crash Override · 2026-09-11 15:19
>>3810
A human requires 10h-14h sleep every night in order to perform at the highest ordinal level.
Polyphasic sleep does not work unless you are on amphetamines, even then you will suffer brain damage which will limit you to surface scratching tasks.
The most effective sleep cycle is a Mediterranean sleep cycle, 10H sleep then a 30m-1h siesta in the middle of the day before lunch.
Following the above sleep cycle will allow you 3H of a high ordinal task then another 3H of the high ordinal task as your brain cleans up internal mechanisms which are related to making choices in a complex task.
You could possibly cap off 2H of a high ordinal task with a Monophasic sleep cycle. But brain damage will incur.
Furthermore sometimes sleeping with your head down (without breathing in your mattress) will allow you to restore and prevent frontal lobe damage as more blood cycles to your frontal lobe and circumstantially increasing dream frequency.
Zero Cool · 2026-09-11 16:44
>>8856
>>8856
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