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Thread for anything white identity /vis/ related

>>4869

Fashwave is a pretty cyber aesthetic.

>>4877 Though I much more prefer classic works which I'd argue are crucial for white identity.

>>4878 >no mayonaise >>4879 Strictly speaking neon grids don't even compare.

>>4880 indeed

>>4881 Cool fact about that she-wolf one. The babies were added by a Renaissance artist but the wolf was made sometime between the 5th century BC or 12th AD (hotly disputed). It possibly wasn't intended to be related to Rome.

>>4880 >Adolf Hirémy-Hirschl (1860–1933) was a Hungarian, Jewish artist Well, you tried.

>>4882 Yeah, I'm aware. There's a whole wikipedia article about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitoline_Wolf#Attribution_and_dating Speaking of wikipedia, from what I've read this is an alright article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Europe And here's a cool fact about the 3rd image >A picture of the White Angel of Mileševa was sent as a message in the first satellite broadcast signal from Europe to America after the Cuban Missile Crisis, as a symbol of peace and civilization.[3] Later, the same signal, containing the White Angel, was transmitted to space in an attempt to communicate with extraterrestrial life forms.[4][5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Angel

>>4885 >It's desperately trying to copy and take from other groups and cultures in order to prove its own existence. Big ol woosh my man. The whole joke with those pictures is that they look like 80's hyper capitalistic acultural/multicultural meaningless art. They're posted ironically or at least not very seriously. >>4884 I really like that statue for some reason. Unusual pose and body build for the period.

>>4885 I don't think white Europeans stole these pieces of art from other cultures. Don't ruin the thread by derailing it with off topic discussion just because you dislike what's being posted.

>>4888 >follow your leader I wouldn't mind spending my last days in Argentina.

>>4869 No matter how many filters you use, those will still be cringy as fuarrrk.

>>4883 Well between that and misspelling "mayonnaise" I'm just making myself look stupid. **Props to the mods for keeping the thread up, btw. Maybe we should have lots of ethnic art threads.**

glad we graduated from soykafty memes to genuinely good art. Visionary art is European

>>4886 >Big ol woosh Huh? I'm not sure I understand?

>>4907 What is this supposed to represent exactly?

>>4907 There's a difference between white identity and dehumanization, spreading propaganda and encouraging genocide. Also >using blacks as slaves, giving them civilization >wonder why they want to live with you in their new home, you forced them to live in Hitler knew soykaf about genetics. Spreading his nonscientific bullshit as white identity is pathetic, wasn't there enough scientists and people of culture available, so you had to pick this black gnome?

https://youtu.be/rog8ou-ZepE

>>4921 Each of these forces, in the long and short term, are dysgenic to european civilization. I hate the take that all it would've taken was hitler winning though, first off you don't know that and second off he isn't some pan-european hero. Just ask a pole. >>4922 Amen to that brother. People that don't get that and continue their wignattery continue to damage any ability for whites to organize. George Lincoln Rockwells aren't called plants for nothing. Plus people just don't know, on either side, how anti-genetic and anti-iq the natsocs were.

Found all the nazis. Don't you guys get tired of hating on people for no rationally justifiable reason?

Nationalism makes you hate people you've never met and be proud of soykaf you didn't do. These rooskies understand what true white identity is

>>5028 Seconded. Russians are fun as fuarrrk. None of y'all made a marble statue or fought in the crusades. Cultural marxism didn't do this to you. You're just sad and weird.

>>5028 >>5029 Funny, an artist that I like made a comic about this topic.

>>5030 In this comic the other posters aren't this ridiculous straw man LGBT character, they're just normal people, yet you're still the nazi character. So do you think you should be proud of things you don't choose or not? Is a person being proud of their sexuality and putting a flag in their butt bad, yet being proud of being white and killing other races is good? You're the only person here asserting that being proud of things you can't choose is a good thing

>>5031 the "ridiculous straw man LGBT character" is the default in western society.

>>5033 Since that apparently is the natural culmination of the great western experience, maybe you should stop resisting it.

>>5034 don't make it right does it

>>5035 Your grasp of the English language isn't impressive. The point is, if western culture is so great, why did it evolve into this? If it is what you guys claim it to be, it should have taken a few different turns before now.

>>5036 I'm not one of "those guys" myself. Of course I imagine you'd still want to live in a western country over most if not all others. I know that applies to me and most others. As for your question, understand that we are controlled. don't make the mistake of thinking that everything that happens is natural evolution. It's not

>>5026 Where's the hate in this thread? It's appreciation of white history.

>>5034 >>5036 USA is not a western or a white country. It is 56% white (at best) and is VERY culturally mixed, like Brazil. It is also completely subservient to transnational corporations who want them to be a nation of braindead consumerists who will all buy one product, hence the heavily promoted trashiness.

>>5034 >>5036 folk culture always allowed for forms of crass revelry. neither wiggers nor juggalos are socially acceptable, but that also makes them explicitly not deviant. that might seem like a contradiction, but it's not: behavior only becomes deviant when it starts to compete for socio-normative status. i'll give you some better examples of white deviance: unwed women in their 30s, menchildren who coast by contributing absolute minimum to the society, white people who argue for the destruction of their own culture. those behaviors are obviously non-normative, because they are unsustainable: low-birth rates, economic stagnation and outright self-sabotage obviously lead to self destruction. unlike juggalos though those three examples i gave are competing for socio-normative status, which makes them deviant.

why wage slave marble busts and old European art on a cyberpunk board anyway?

>>5039 in america, when more than three white guys assemble in a single place, they call it "a nazi rally". since their education norms are set by mcdonalds and cocacola, they don't really know that white culture exist, and reaching for its examples they mostly find juggalos and eminem (also cousin Jack, who's allegedly a KKK member, but they don't talk about Jack at family dinners). i think we can forgive them their ignorance.

>>5042 well, the thread started with vaporwave, which is pretty cyberpunk, but there was a good faith dialog between the participants, that perhaps fashwave is not really "white identity", but just a silly american fad. so people started posting examples of timeless white art. at the point the thread would've ended, the dialog is over, but then the commissars showed up, and acused everyone of being a nazi, reminding everyone why nobody likes commissars to begin with.

>>5044 With recent political events in the last few years I don't think I can blame them honestly. Alot of the time they try to slip under the radar, and when someone calls them out on it, get offended.

>>5045 Commissars are not in it to establish the truth, they are not even a coherent group. They are usually a bunch of trolls derailing a conversation, but hiding behind principles of moral superiority. They don't have any authority nor do they use good faith argument. It's guilty until grovel innocent, and any opposition is seen as admission of gulit. This is just your protestant model of guilt (these commissars are often first generation atheist from protestant families) applied to novel concepts, and like any witchhunt it serves no purpose except to terrorise innocent people.

>>5046 But, the people who support people like Richard Spencer who promote white identity have a reputation of supporting violence and genocide. These are not bad faith arguments. This is pointing out the actual physical real world results of this kind of ideology. The death of Heather Heyer, People Gun toting with RWDS patches( Right-Wing Death Squad) making threats. These are all the people who promote white identity. With all this in mind, you can understand why people hesitate.

>>5047 You can't prove being or not being, that's why inquisition, stalin's purges, mccarthyism, etc. are so effective: they fundamentally rely on bad faith arguments. You can accuse someone of being a fascit, but unless you have a proof that person is engaged in fascist activities, instead you rely on secondary circumstantial evidence, you're in bad faith. Of course that means that with some people you won't ever know, and it is like kicking dead whales down the beach, but catching someone out by relying on bad faith arguments means that you've potentially accused an innocent person. Like in your case it's guit by association. Richard spencer supports white identity, you support white identity, therefore you're also responsible for Spencer's actions. There might be a person on this thread who has, for example, donated to Richard Spencer's campaign (?), or maybe they wrote an impassioned article in support of Spencer specifically, in which case you can argue that particular connection. But people engaged in a conversation with that person are still not responsible for Spencer's actions. Maybe I have a friend who's a Spencer supporter (I don't) and maybe I don't consider him to be the literal incarnation of devil, so I talk to him. I could be for example trying to help him take a more moderate position. Maybe I'm the person who's standing between him and some kind of violent direct action. You wouldn't know, without careful _good faith_ investigation. But guilt by association makes me guilty. Of course if you argue that supporting white culture is fascist in itself, then participating in this thread makes one fascist.

>>5048 > it's guilt by association. Richard spencer supports white identity, you support white identity, therefore you're also responsible for Spencer's actions. Your not guilty of his actions, But it is worrying when people support the same exact idea that causes these incidents in the first place. If I say something like x did nothing wrong. I didn't cause whatever x did in this situation. But, you are supporting of the doing of said thing, and are actively encouraging more of it. >I could be for example trying to help him take a more moderate position. Maybe I'm the person who's standing between him and some kind of violent direct action. You wouldn't know, without careful _good faith_ investigation. maybe you are, I honestly don't know your life, but posting fashwave of white nationalists isn't going to de-radicalism that person.

>>5049 worrying is fine though, but the action we're discussing is "accusing people of being nazis" which actually took place. you're free to worry, you're not free to make baseless accusations. if someone were to actually say "richard spencer did nothing wrong" in this thread, then that would be an action, but no such action took place. do you see the difference between action and insinuation? as far as my friend, that was just a hypothetical, so the point of this thread is not to "de-radicalize" my friend either, the point of this thread was to post "anything white identity", which in itself does not constitute support of fascism. i think your position is racist and nationalistic: i had to lookup who richard spencer was (i read the name before) and i had to look up who heather heyer is, and it's all so small town america, inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, that i see clearly the caliber of a person I'm talking to. that's why i dislike commissars so much, because they come from blue collar christian families, pick up a handful of concepts out of an abridged edition of some european thinker at college, and then push and derail every single conversation they muscle into, e.g. a thread that almost was about european art turned into a conversation about "charlottsville", "juggalos" and eminem.

>>5050 > a thread that almost was about european art turned into a conversation about "charlottsville", "juggalos" and eminem. I can understand, but it was about white identity, a concept and ideology explicitly tied to fascism. While European art / Western art is tied to a geographical location. I know it seems like similar things, but the details are important here, both to stop thread derailment, and not support the ideology's that push it. >i think your position is racist and nationalistic: i had to lookup who richard spencer was (i read the name before) and i had to look up who heather heyer is, and it's all so small town america, inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, that i see clearly the caliber of a person I'm talking to. What exactly are you referring to here? I don't know What you mean here. I'm racist because I'm against the ideology that murdered someone? "It's so small town america?" In reference to what? if you compare anything to the "grand scheme of it all" nothing means anything. This is thought pollution, that just discounts anything.

>>5051 The actions of actual fascists resulted in deaths of 70 million white europeans. The actions of some larper in america resulted in some other larper running over and killing some third larper. That's what I mean by "small town". A handful of hicks coming out for a demonstration versus a great war that affected every single family in europe. By equating the small town larpers to actual fascists you devalue the experiences of millions of people (some of them are still living, some are direct descendants, etc) America is full of movie rhetoric, but aside from an occasional campus skirmishes, nothing is going on. Considering that your country has imprisoned, killed, and otherwise got rid of a large number of both white and black paramilitary groups, all you got let are keyboard commissars. The phrase that I actually used is "racist and nationalistic", because it's not just racist, it's both at the same time. You take your national race related issues and conclusions from those issue and apply them to other countries along racial lines. Because you live in an imperial country, you're infected by imperialist thinking. I personally don't see any issue with using the term white art to encompass a wide range of european art. For one, russian art historically was not considered european, or if it was then it was during very brief periods when russian aristocracy was closely aligned with french aristocracy. Early american art, back when wealthy people maintained their european roots, could be considered european, but it very rapidly turned into american art. But if you talk american art, then you necessarily include black art, which is of course a completely legitimate term, but black art is a very distinct form of (from the european art tradition) outsider art. Also obviously ancient sculpture is not considered to be "european art", it's explicitly art of classical antiquity. so if one were to celebrate art produced by white people, within the lineage of greco-roman to european to american tradition, one could use the term white art to encompass it all. not that it used to just be called "western art", but because of people like you, western art no longer denotes white art exclusively in english language. of course you want culturally white people to deny them that experience, which makes you a racist.

>>5034 >>5035 >>5036 >>5038 >>5040 >>5041 >>5042 >>5043 >>5044 >>5045 >>5046 >>5047 >>5048 >>5049 >>5050 >>5051 >>5052 There is a time and a place to discuss white identity and this is neither the place nor the time. All of you should be ashamed of yourselves, you're actively trying to get this thread deleted instead of contributing to it. If you dislike the current topic I suggest that you don't post at all. This thread is for art, not for debating ideologies.

This thread is, and always has been, garbage.

>>5055 A generation of people who express themselves exclusively in grunts

Tough century for the whites Just make up a fancy new word like everyone else to reclaim a proper identity without getting into history backlash

>>5054 I just don't want to see one more site I care about, almost the last one left really, become just another playground for /lol/itics children. Threads like this are how they make a beachhead. We've seen it before.