[Botnet] Amazon Go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc It's like shoplifting but now you gotta pay for it. Also we datamine you in real life!

>>32116 >Also we datamine you in real life! >neurosuggesting that you weren't datamined IRL already Kinda creepy, but at least the girls were cute, I'd buy that girl that cheesecake cupcake. Anyways let's go back to how stupid this is. The only thing I like about this is how it'll deter thieves pretty easily.

>>32118 >how it'll deter thieves pretty easily And this is good how?

>>32118 how will it deter thieves?

>>32119 Well, this is coming from a retail employee, shrink from external thieves and crime groups is a pretty big deal and it's pretty easy too because most stores can't and often won't stop you. The biggest benefit that I see is of course businesses wouldn't have to put so much into loss prevention measures if you have a self aware store that knows if someone is coming in without a smartphone with the app. The overall shopping experience would be better as well if the store can keep a better track of inventory (i.e employee accidently break a product). >>32120 As I said to the other anon, basic low level thieves and crime groups would have to enter the with a phone and be tracked. I'm sure people later on would be able to hack this system but at least for your typical thief, they can't just grab something even if they just run past the gate because from what I see, the store mangement would be able to see that from the cameras and from inventory being reduced but not being attached to an account. I'd imagine that you'd be able to track the item's movement through the store and have someone there to kick them out the store.

>>32116 So how does this new grocery botnet handle purchases from people without a pocket botnet?

>>32118 >The only thing I like about this is how it'll deter thieves pretty easily. Hello Silicon Valley.

>>32116 I like how Amazon found a way to punish consumers by actually stealing from them and labelled it as incentive. Apparently, if you don't put something back where you found it, you get charged anyway. I can see them making plenty of money by robbing people like this.

>>32125 >Apparently, if you don't put something back where you found it, you get charged anyway. Good. What you really deserve is to be beaten with a rubber hose for making my job harder.

Hopefully this will only make capitalism fall even faster.

>>32122 I don't think they'll allow that, and the explanation will simply be "dude, that's like wanting to buy something in a cash only shop without cash! makes no sense!" I'm not sure if I am worried or if I care about a scenario where this sort of shop becomes the primary sort, and people would be pushed to join the botnet because otherwise it's hard to buy anything. Obviously such a scenario won't happen because old people in law-making suits will just make at least one cashier or self-serving cash paying mandatory.

>>32129 Don't worry, robots will soon replace you.

>>32129 Like >>32133 said, instead of worrying over petty soykaf you'll have to worry about not starving once you become obsolete because cheap robots will be able to do your soykafty job.

>>32141 Explain to me how disliking thieves is a bad thing.

>>32142 Would somebody please think of the millionaires who fuarrrk over people on a daily basis?

>defending greedy corporate pigs on a cyberpunk imageboard For what purpose?

hahahahaha, this will only exist in rich neighbourhoods where people wouldn't consider stealing stuff. if they put this in a poor neighbourhood, the shelves would be picked clean and nobody would've payed. in fact, jumping the turnstiles would get you in and out with whatever you can carry for free! tricking CV wouldn't be awfully hard either, 1. take cupcake off shelf 2. unpackage cupcake 3. put empty cupcake container back on shelf >computer vision only sees you picking up and putting back a cupcake

>>32118 >Dumb phone soykaf will deter thieves. Not my problem, and it's a hassle. >Shopping carts with auto locking wheels will deter cart thieves. Not my problem, and now I can't move the cart to my car if I'm at the edge of the parking lot. It's a hassle. >Putting pin numbers on bathrooms will prevent people who aren't customers from wasting resources. Not my problem, and now I have to dig out my receipt and hope it works on your soykafty door. It's a hassle.

>>32161 Exactly, this will only be in places where more than 50% of the population own and wear apple watches. It exists only to make trendy yuppies feel superior and give them an excuse to furiously masturbate into each others ears about how; >"Well you see Oscar, I'm suuuuuuch an introvert so it's super convenient for me to not be disturbed by having to give a poor person money for the things I buy" >"I know Joseph, I'm ssssuuuuuuuuuch an introvert too so I don't even have to stop facebook/twitter/apple talk/snapchat/tinder/grinder/periscoping my every breath while I buy my 'Colombian Spiced Cum and Jasmine Infused Frap-a-Wank-a-Chino' " >"Exactly this has to be the topic for our next geek podcast!"

Okay, so I guess I'll have to explain myself a lot better. When it comes down to it, I don't really care if a company fails or succeeds outside of the employees who would be out of work for a while if the company fails. As I've said, after working in retail and being taught how people steal as well as being exposed to a ton of anti-theft measures, I can see something that companies would implement this if it's in anyway successful. Look how fast things like self checkout got adopted when companies saw they could reduce payroll. Sure, it's now a hassle especially in stores like Walmart where you are pretty much forced to use self checkout or wait even longer lines when the human ran registers are mostly closed but the business wouldn't care about that. Your typical thief often hides things in their clothes or purse or they simply opens the package, takes the contents with them and walk off. That's a lot harder to do with this kind of system because you will either follow the rules and end up paying for it anyways or you would have to try to enter the store without a smartphone. And even then, it seems like tracking an item in the store might be a very big aspect to this idea. In the end, people who are determined to steal will just do something like get a stolen credit card and put it on a throwaway account or something similar to that. But your average theft from low level thieves and even employees? Yea, that would end pretty fast. Honestly, I think this is going to not work in the long run but if it ever gets popular, then shopping will go to soykaf really fast.

>prediction: week 1: store opens, handful of privileged VIP's allowed to experience checkout glitches and app crashes. GO touted as massive success by celebrities who signed NDA and cant tweet anything remotely truthful. week 2: store opens with security guards and two million dollars of tech and monitoring systems in place. people hesitant to buy because goods have to be marked up to cover the cost of a store eight times more expensive than conventional. week 3: shelves stop working, restocks quit happening in a timely fashion because SPC software has been crashed for a week. spills go unreported. store is basically a 7/11 at this point. week 4: Amazon finds out security guards arent police, become furious when they refuse to stop shoplifters. week 5: potential shoplifter caught and falsely detained for 2 hours. lawsuit ensues. product recalls go un-noticed because SPC system never programmed to handle supply chain recalls or errors. 240,000 rolls of toilet paper ordered by 4chan sit collecting dust. products expire on shelves and are cited for violation of health code by the city. week 6: Store mysteriously closes, all branding removed. outstanding fines from city ignored. week 7: Store reopens as a 7/11. fines paid. donuts and burnt coffee now sold instead of quinoa infused tofu and alkaline spiritual chakra water.

The mass internet tracking moving to IRL venues like stores is one of the most scary prospects of our future.

>>32174 sorry to debunk your predictions here pal, but a couple of things. 1. amazon has stated that the first store they open will first be only accessible to amazon employees 2. this is a research experiment as part of the much larger organization called amazon, so the equipment has already been written off as a loss, no need for 8-fold markups. jeff bezos pisses off investors by reinvesting almost all profits into r&d, but that's exactly what allows amazon to continue to innovate and be a big 4 tech player. it's been rumored for a while that anazon wants to enter the brick and mortar retail-space, they've already tried their hand at a real life bookstore. it'll be interesting to see how the outcome of this experiment influences potential future amazon irl shops, but i doubt we'll be seeing walmarts or targets with computer vision deep learning algorithm checkout-free shopping any time soon, amazon likes to develop tech only for itself. they bought up kiva (the warehousing robot company) and stopped all sales to 3rd parties while massively improving their efficacy.

>>32179 >but i doubt we'll be seeing walmarts or targets with computer vision deep learning algorithm checkout-free shopping any time soon, amazon likes to develop tech only for itself. Good point here, though I can see Walmart possibly trying to do this if this experiment does well, since Amazon is Walmart's main competition now.

>>32165 Stop, Lain; you're scaring me.

>>32122 It looks like it uses a QR code on your phone to scan in, so they can just take you in back and tattoo one on the back of your left hand or on your forehead (or just give you a laminated membership card). You do have to wonder if it generates a new QR code each time though, as otherwise just taking a picture of someone else's and reusing it could be a problem. >>32161 >in fact, jumping the turnstiles would get you in and out with whatever you can carry for free! If their computer vision software is good enough to track you throughout the store and what you grab off the shelf, then there's no reason to believe they wouldn't be able to have it detect that (especially when it could be accomplished with a single overhead camera that compares people scanning in to the people entering). In which case loss prevention can be notified automatically when someone enters the store without scanning their identity, before they can even steal anything. Loss prevention wouldn't even have to mention theft when confronting the person. They could just alert the person that their scan failed and carry a scanner to identify the person and the computer vision software can link the unidentified person's purchases to that customer's identity, or the loss prevention staff could politely offer to sign the person up if the person claims some bullsoykaf about not knowing. A shoplifter would have to be a damn fool to not take those options when they know they've been caught but are confronted by someone who seems to believe it's an innocent mistake or a software glitch. Shoplifting from Amazon's George Orwell inspired Nineteen Eighty-Store with computer vision aided loss prevention that tracks you everywhere would be a pretty big risk compared to shoplifting for a normal store. >1. take cupcake off shelf >2. unpackage cupcake >3. put empty cupcake container back on shelf That's going to look about as suspicious as putting whatever you're grabbing into a separate bag at a regular grocery store and will take longer to do (since every grocery store I've been to has containers sealed so people don't fuarrrk with the food in them). Why not just steal from a normal grocery store?

>>32179 >1. amazon has stated that the first store they open will first be only accessible to amazon employees Only payable with new amazon cash. Trade in your paycheck so you can shop at the fuarking company store.

>>32180 You guys are late, Walmart is already trying to get in on this. http://fortune.com/2015/06/19/walmart-amazon-grocery/ The future is looking grim.

They already datamine you when you use those shopper cards. They have your name, address, phone number, and what you buy.

>>32205 I don't think you've read the article, looks like all they are doing here is just applying their site to store feature to food items, so someone can just order some food and then later pick it up.

>>32199 Hasn't that been made illegal in the country they're trying that in? (The US) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMcyaXtuof4

>>32161 i find it very amusing the image, of a bunch of prole just walking in and stealing this

>>32171 1) steal smartphone 2) pick the shelves clean 3) some fool pays for all that

>>32174 > 240,000 rolls of toilet paper ordered by 4chan sit collecting dust. kek

>>32220 Yeah, and their computer vision surveillance system gets tons of pictures of you from different angles. Be careful not to get into felony theft territory.

>>32210 hm it's a matter of time before wal-mart starts developing software like amazon go's

>>32223 >Yeah, and their computer vision surveillance system gets tons of pictures of you from different angles. Be careful not to get into felony theft territory. cap and sun glasses m8

Seems pretty neet, only problems I see are >Will be very slow to catch on if ever >System gets messed up if people don't put soykaf back where they got it(?) >Will definitely charge a premium

Looks like they already have competition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-RXDCEErWQ Personally, I prefer this version, it's less creepy.

>Botnet >Less people will be hired to work there I hate this. Might as well make the ones that sort all the items robots on wheels.