dVPNs

What does /g/ think of decentralized VPNs? The idea is simple, everyone can buy and sell bandwidth, and usage is automatically paid with cryptocurrencies. I am not trying to wage slave some specific coins and will not mention any names, just want to talk about the idea in general. Advantages: - no company could sell all your data - more efficient market should mean lower prices - impossible for netflix,... to ban all ips coming from residental VPN servers Disadvantages: - your traffic still goes through someone else's computer, which is not a problem for https encrypted traffic but they will be able to see which pages you visit. Possible solutions: maybe multi-hopping Who could benefit from them? - people in developing countries where the internet is heavily censored - people who want to access geo-clocked content, eg. US only netflix series - using it for torrenting stuff, ain't nobody going to sue someone with a russian ip(This isn't /g/; this is Lainchan.)

Decentralized vpn seems sufficiently solved by tor. I could see making your own offshoot to get better encryption & obfuscation but I wouldn't be to keen to add crypto payments to it. You would add a permanent trail. The main problem why private people can't all run exit nodes is they don't want to risk getting raided. Especially when they might take all your hardware for months away with not even a guarantee to get it back.

>>8035 The problem with TOR is that I do not see that it can scale several orders of magnitude more, because then there will simply not be enough people willing to run exit nodes. An even today, when using tor, you always have to solve captchas for so many sites and streaming sites are entirely too slow. Monetary incentivation could fix that problem. Also crypto payments can be made totally anonymous already now.

You just described Tor with cryptocoins shoehorned into it.

>>8036 >when using tor, you always have to solve captchas for so many sites How is your solution going to solve this?

>>8037 It's more of a tor pro, where you can chose speed, security, or both and pay more. TOR is for privacy but slow, centralized VPNs are faster but you need to trust someone else and pay, dVPNs can be anything in between without the obvious drawbacks of TOR (too slow, having to solve captchas, endpoints blacklisted from many pages)

>>8038 If anyone can host a paid vpn/exit node on residental or not frequently used datacenter IPs, then how should google for example know that this is not your own IP?

>>8040 The same way they do it with Tor, by looking up the public node list. Tor has non-public nodes too that don't have this problem, but they aren't public.

>>8041 But that's the thing, there will not be a list of publicly available IPs. Anyone can offer their bandwidth and then once the small amount of cryptocurrency is paid, the IP will be revealed and the traffic gets routed through that IP.>>8041

The three main projects I know that are trying this in open beta currently are: privatix.io mysterium.network sentinel.co

>>8043 The first is behind a cloudflare google captcha for Tor users and the other two are just a blank page without javascript.

>>8044 I don't get your point?

>>8045 No point, just stating.

>>8042 If I'm getting this right, your idea is basically a marketplace for hidden Tor nodes. Dunno if it makes sense, but good luck. There are some communities where people share low end VPSes which are somewhat similar to this, maybe look those up and talk to them for ideas.

>>8048 it's not exactly my idea, there are already several projects trying to achieve this. Can you point me in any direction in regard to these communities?

>>8049 I'm only vaguely aware of them so this is not an endorsement for any particular one, just the results of quick lookup: https://lowendbox.com/ https://www.lowendtalk.com/ https://www.reddit.com/r/seedboxes/comments/4gqgog/megalist_of_cheaplowend_dedicated_server_providers/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VPS/

I torrent with Tor as a fuarrrk you to you all. Deal with it.(Don't spill the soykaf.)

>>8063 enjoy those uh infinite download times

>>8043 >>8044 mysterium.network requires you >to buy their raspi for (what? some?) reason >to have a static IP address (99% of poeple don't have a static IP) sentinel.co >is a mess privatix.io >has an installer and gets straight to the point >installer requires sudo for some reason >also requires port forwarding (99% of people can't forward ports) >requires some 3rd party API for something somewhere I forget, clicked quit at this point good idea, bad executions. Why not just work on a fork of Tor/i2p with paid "premium" bandwith functionality? Tell you why, because they want to profit off of middlemanning the service.

>>8034 >traffic sniffing will be extremely commonplace >payout scheme is impossible >protocol needs to be scaled to low end computers for the endless amount of tards wanting to run a relay for some e-bucks >random idiots have encryption keys

If you are server who cares about user's privacy and avoiding censorship, you should run Tor and i2p hidden service. Netflix definitely doesn't, and if there are fools ready to pay double price for Netflix telescreen subscription and lolbertarian internet money version of vpngate, then fine for them, they already can do same with regular vpn services. If you are a person who would like to share files without censorship, use i2p, you will also help the network with your bandwidth, unlike being Tor or VPN end-user.

Everything is cool until someone distributes CP using your IP.

>>8039 Tor isn't even slow unless you use a poverty tier internet.

>>8034 >What does /g/ think of decentralized VPNs? Only really useful in conjunction with a solid mesh network.

In these systems there is a natural incentive to not distribute your relays geographically. If you're going to get paid for running relays, you're going to stuff as many of them in the cheapest data center you can find, even if you have to spoof latency or AS or something to get them on the network. This makes it easier for a global adversary to monitor. And compare this to Tor: there are 2 groups of people running relays: good actors who want to distribute the relays properly and bad actors who want to capture traffic with their relays or otherwise mess things up. These groups compete against each other in a hopefully healthy way. But dVPNs? You now have economic actors who just want the money competing against the good actors too.

>>10696 Nym builds that in economically.

>>10582 That's exactly what Freenet does and it's still legal (in most democratic countries anyway).