Women in Security

Okay, so before I go any further in this please note the following; >My evidence is anecdotal, this is the Internet. Approach everything at face value. feel free to criticize. >I have been in Cyber Security for 3 years >The main reason why I'm making this is to understand if Women are highly prioritized in employment in other countries, Please keep this in mind. I don't want this to spiral out of control. The more people that come in with there own stories, the better. So as noted above I've been in Cyber Sec for 3 years, out of the 100+ people I've met in cyber around 5 of them have been female. That figure is really low, and it leads to its own problems but I don't want to discuss that in this thread. I have known 2 of these women quite well and dated 1 of them as well. However I have noted that MOST of these women have something very eerily in common. >An insane amount of job offers, I get maybe 1 or 2 every 2 weeks but these girls are getting job offers from top companies every day or so. >"Pathways to Success", most of these women are usually put on a guided track and are put on a pedal stool compared to everyone else > Higher incomes, this is usually around 20-30% higher than normal. One person I know who hasn't even finished uni is currently on 120k and has only 1 year of experience. Has anyone else noted these types of disparities? Its hard to tell due to my insanely small sample size. I understand as well this isn't the type of topic that usually appears on this board, however I have no other board that I would feel comfortable writing this on without fear.

Yeahhhhh that all sounds about right. Maybe you are just damn good, and are surrounded with the exceptional talents of the industry, or, you happen to have had a first hand run in with diversity quota driven hiring activity. But hey, at least your life is pretty good yeah?

>>6895 of course they are offered all of these things, you also forgot they will be picked for promotion, put in the spotlight for being mediocre, and above all else-given preferential treatment because of their self servicing for "women in tech" / "girl coders" "Girl (whatver the fuarrrk here thats somewhat IT related)" I have only met one woman in all of my 10+ years who was worth anything as an engineer, the rest have all been riding the "muh diversity!" wave. This is also similar to blacks in tech.

Grow up OP, seriously, and please get out of your mom basement sometimes. Go speak to some actual real girls in tech and stop reading bullsoykaf posted by right-wing retards / Peterson fanboys. Serously; you will realise it's hard to find a job for both men and women. Anti women tech is the new "immigrants took our jobs"(Always argue in good faith and avoid personal attacks.)

>>6960 wtf you on about? seriously, wtf? This guy just wanted to compare his personal experience to others

At my company, we've only considered one female applicant and she walked because of pay. The gender skew is there but at least at my place no difference in pay for females.

liberal attempts at "equality". They have to hold on to the very small amount of female employees they have or be seen as "unequal". They have to bribe all the women because the workplace environment is (usually) so sexist. This is based on my experience in the software industry, but I bet a lot of it carries over.

>>6955 >This is also similar to blacks in tech. Gotta be honest, it's not at all similar. The gender gulf in tech is way wider than the race gulf.

Very very few women are interested in tech. I couldn't say why for sure, maybe it's psychological, or maybe people successful in tech are weirdos, or what's most likely is culture doesn't drive them in that direction. Showering girls with praise isn't going to make them want to do something they don't like, and might backfire when they hit the real world and find out things can be hard (this hits many young people pretty hard as it is). >>6964 The race gulf got obliterated because I guess nonwhites want careers in tech. So yeah, can't just do what worked there and expect it to solve other diversity issues.

>>6960 I feel like you didn't read the post. I'm not complaining about not being able to get a job, if you read the OP that I wrote, you will see that I wrote the following. >An insane amount of job offers, I get maybe 1 or 2 every 2 weeks but these girls are getting job offers from top companies every day or so. Please keep your post on topic and do not try to flame up right or left wing policies in this, as mentioned by >>6961 I'm trying to understand other people's personal experiences not try and rally a mob of burning right wing crusaders as you might see it, >>6964 I'll agree with this, personally race diversity doesn't seem to be an issue at all where I've worked in my experience. In fact actually its never been ever brought up in my workplace funny enough. >>6965 I think its that fear of STEM in general, the culture isn't very feminine? Personally you cant force women to be in workplace but it is like kicking dead whales down the beach that fact that out of the 100 people in our entire IT department about 1 of them is under 25... However if you head over to the marketing department its a complete 180...

>>6895 I likely don't live in the same country as you, but I've been doing computer security in some form or another for about ten years. I've worked with a grand total of maybe 10 women in technical positions. In terms of income, there usually isn't a disparity, or if there is, the men tend to earn a little more. Infosec is, however, cliquey - I know some guys who have worked in infosec for only a few years and are on very high salaries with managerial responsibilities, whereas people with more experience and skills have been passed over. There's definitely no meritocracy in infosec, and I also wouldn't trust what people claim their salary is, either. Pathways to success depend on the company - I began in a graduate program that was extremely successful, moved to another company with a mentorship program, and then in my third position, there was about two/three days of training and that was it - juniors were just sent into the soykaf. As far as job offers go - I get one or two every week or so, but if I'm actively looking, I'll get CONSIDERABLY more. It also depends on things like LinkedIn connections etc - I don't use the thing except when I'm looking for work, and so I don't have much in the way of volume of connections, but you hit up any social network and there'll be a hell of a lot of guys following a female account out of thirst. Personally, I'd rather the lack of job offers than having "John, Recruitment Specialist", inbox me about how he wants to suck on my feet. And yes, those messages do show up, unexpectedly. Even on fuarrrking LinkedIn. >>6964 Not in my country - like I said, I've worked with maybe 10 women in technical positions, and know a couple of others. As far as I can recall, I've worked with exactly one black dude in infosec. Women get plenty of soykaf, and I've seen stupid passive aggressive emails sent around about "women not being able to computer", along with insanely creepy or sinister behaviour (one guy fully doxed a woman and sent it to her under the impression she'd find it sexy). Said black dude is a friend, and among things I've personally seen happen are: - someone telling him he's inferior to whites, to his face - someone calling him a filthy nigger in public - having someone who we worked with get arrested for being part of an honest-to-god extreme right terrorist organisation that called black people monkeys I'd honestly consider the main bulk of infosec, in my country, to be insanely hostile to anyone who isn't a white dude. Mostly, fuarrrked-up behaviour seems to get a pass: "He's just a bit autistic, he doesn't really understand social situations" etc, I suspect because the amount of money people bring in as part of security consultancies is absolutely enormous, enough to make people look away from patterns of toxic behaviour.

I had a workmate at my old job who was a genetic engineer, and she was stuck working at a checkout. Now she's a horticulturalist as well, and is delivering catalogues door to door. It's an old boys club.

I think the lack of women in STEM is more cultural than genetic, honestly. At the end of the day STEM is a very high demanding field with high stress, and usually only people antisocial or autistic enough can actually make it to the end. There's also cases like >>6967 or >>6968 where chauvinist retards will try to sabotage female coworkers in order to save their own hides, at the cost of technological progress at large. Meritocracy is unfortunately not a thing in our failed society, and what you are overrides what you can do unless you fully embrace sociopathy and behave as pragmatic as possible (cheat, lie, manipulate, and backstab your way to the top) You have to really, really, be obsessed with wanting to become a STEM major if you're a woman and not taking one of the degrees that are trying to explicitly diversity hire. It's not rocket science that most women wouldn't have an interest in STEM where you could potentially get fuarrrked over for life by an employer when you could just achieve financial success by going into a high paying field where women are more accepted.

There's two women where I work. One has more of a manager position, the other more technical. They are both are fine performance wise. This is out of maybe 30 people in the company. I just think it's a field that most women don't want to get into. Same reason why most nurses are female but they're always hiring, males just don't want to be nurses.

>>6979 And this isn't even infosec, this is just IT in general.

>>6895 >feminist organizations have legislative power against companies through era lawsuits >thus, a woman will be recruited over a man due to an overabundance of men >couple this to see more female celebrity CEOs aka to see another Elizabeth of Theranos means they're put on track to promotion >furthermore with corporate culture having hr, women have an inordinate amount of power in accusation, and have the field slanted to them Is there some fat cunt who won't hire a woman? Yes. But pursuing gender equality is meaningless if the sexes are equal, and unwise if they are unequal. But as I said, there is a very powerful punitive feminist lobby in big tech and media. Note that it cant polish a turd but it can punish a success. Women are getting higher and higher positions every day. Trump even hired Conway to do his campaign manager and that one lady who was the first woman to build a skyscraper.

>>6978 I dunno, I had another female workmate who was studying genetic engineering, and she went into real estate when she couldn't get work. Another female workmate was studying biotech, one was a business major back in Indonesia, we must have been the most overqualified supermarket front end in Sydney.

I remember my old company hired a female developer in our department which throughout the years has always exclusively been male dominated. She was actually very skilled and one of the most competent devs i'd met to date, she taught me a lot. Unfortunately, every other guy in her team was a total creep and during our annual departmental Christmas lunch we had our "Techie awards" where we vote for each other in lame goofy categories. She won the award for "Person you would choose to be stuck on a desert island with" and most of the devs start wolf-whistling or fuarrrking oooh yeeahing like the fuarrrking kool-aid man. She left 3 weeks after that. Women have to deal with a lot of soykaf in this industry, imo.

>>6979 Nursing used to be more of a job for men and women. It became female dominated during massive wars when all the young men were in the military and the profession stayed that way for a while. Where I live though, there are visibly more new, younger nurses that are male.

Oh fuarrrk off. If you are in security and the count of women is whats your mind, then you are a fuarrrking wrong recruit for the job. Please fuarrrk away so that serious people can do their work.

>>6964 ymmv

>>7051 its actually a really valid concern if you think critically about it... if stem is dominated by white males (in US) and you have an exponentially larger pool of women or other 'minorities' in your team that doesn't reflect (within a degree of sanity) the population, then obviously there is a hiring bias or agenda that is being pushed

>>6984 I have one personal experience where a higher level director sexually harassed a lower level engineer soykaf really does happen, regardless of representation its just sort of a different point than most women in tech are usually technically inferior to a male counterpart

>>7054 So, tl;dr, the team should be 10% black people and 50% women. That doesn't sound like any team I've dealt with in tech. Maybe it's your agenda you're trying to push, fuarrrkboi.

>>7062 That's the demographics of the population, not the hiring pool. I have no stats to back this up, but I'd assume the hiring pool would be extremely white male dominated, so it follows that your team will reflect that.

>>7063 which brings us back to the topic: why the fuarrrk is the hiring pool that way

>>7075 Because infosec is intellectually difficult work, and blacks are generally less intelligent than whites. Women generally have no interest in the field. This is absolutely true, but it's one of those things that we're not allowed to say, even if we qualify it by pointing out that these are generalizations, and there are obviously some blacks who are sharp enough to do infosec, some whites who aren't, and some women who are interested in the field.

>>7075 It's almost like women are inherently valued in more social aspects and dont suffer the same kind of isolation that men do, like the isolation that drives us to computers and vidya. Tech isnt the most Male dominated industry. Should we enforce gender equality in garbage collecting and oil drilling? I know- more men die at work every year then women. We need to close this gender death gap - every time a man dies in a coal mine or at war, we pick a random female employee and kill her. Then everyone will be equal You know where men and women are not equal? Autism rates. Women tend to be more average. Men lean to being either geniuses or retards at twice the rate. Therefore 75%men 25% women would be a more equal rate, assuming the job requires intellect and not physical traits. Couple this with women not experiencing said social isolation and the current female tech culture being so slanted against doing actual work and instead focusing on self promoton, you have your answer. I forget who, but some tech bitch got derezzed from women in tech conferences because she focused on coding instead of inane female empowerment bullsoykaf. Ultimately feminism should deal with human rights, like not forcing them to wear a burqa, instead of being a political tool to allow western upper middle class women to hold companies hostage at the expense of meritocracy. I did bike delivery for years. Maybe 1 good woman I've met. And most men were soyboy glitterboy pansys- no "mysogony" culture. Then again, a biker dies every day...

>>7075 >why the fuarrrk is the hiring pool that way It's all cultural right? The same way you would say that "OH NURSING IS A GIRLY JOB, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE NO MEN THERE" a nazi might turn around and say that jews run the media because X Listen bud, you're the only one here that's racist/sexist in seeing racism and sexism where there is none. Why the fuarrrk is the hiring pool that way? Who knows, you know what will get this discussion nowhere? Trying to push your agendas and ideas on open ended question.

>>7092 > like the isolation that drives us to computers and vidya. That's quite the assumption wrt causation. > Should we enforce gender equality in garbage collecting and oil drilling? You then go on to explicitly address your own dumb question with > ...assuming the job requires intellect and not physical traits. I would like to think that you're arguing in good faith, but when you post soykaf like > We need to close this gender death gap you make it very clear that you're just brewing soykaf.

>>7105 I think it's fair to say that most of us here were not the most popular kids in school. Hell i myself was a class clown >Garbage collecting Is not a physically strenuous job anymore. Hell the garbage truck on my street the guy doesn't even get out of the goddamm truck, there is an automated arm that does it all. I'll give you the oil drilling is a bad example, because i've never done it and i don't know how much of it is physical. The comment talking about the gender death gap is to illustrate the idealism of pointless equality as it is. There's no real reason to persue some kind of meaningless equality of crotches in the workplace, except the artificial market pressure introduced by the feminist lobby. It's satire to illustrate a point. A modest gender equality proposal. i also notice you didn't address the 2nd part of the argument, namely, that women in tech who become a part of the "WIMN PWER!" part of tech focus more on self promotion and weilding the political power of feminism rather then sheer technical skill. Hell, anecdote? I know of a black female PhD holder who got that PhD becuase she complained to the university that she wasn't able to finish her PhD In 7 years, because of sexism. Her Prof had to write her thesis for her, and the only reason it all slid was because the white dick she hops on is a math bigshot I personally spoke to her and her prof, who both confirmed this, though the former was a bit harder to get her to admit it. The simple fact of the matter is that while women should not be groped at work, there's no real reason to focus on hiring a woman as opposed to a man, just as vice versa, again, given the absense of physical work.

>>7109 >Garbage collecting >Is not a physically strenuous job anymore. In your town, maybe. In mine it is. There's no "arm" on the truck that picks up the bins. The guy (who has to ride on the back of the truck instead of in the passenger seat in the cab in the interest of getting it done efficiently) has to hop off the truck and empty the bins manually. They've never gotten a day off for weather, either, that I know about. They're out there whether it's 110°F or -5°F, and we experience both extremes in my area. None of the garbagepersons are garbagewomen. Just garbagemen. I work in hiring for the city government, and in the time I've been in that role, we've received 0 applications from women for "field" positions in the sanitation dept. The vast majority of women would rather turn tricks than do that kind of work. Of course, the vast majority of women will never have to do either. They'll do retail, or paint nails, or, hell, just fuarrrk a garbageman once a week and have him pay her bills. That's an arrangement typically known as marriage. Or, she'll just have her fellow members of the sisterhood bully a path into the tech industry for her. Some make-work job as a "developer evangelist" or "community manager" or something. Ain't it grand?

>>7109 Not the guy you're replying to, but I genuinely wish I could murder people like you and >>7110 without any repercussion. Stupidity should seriously be a crime. Whether it's tying our adult lives to our experiences at high school (although admittedly, that's probably more an indicator of your age than anything else) or literally tarring 50% of humanity with a brush implying they somehow get an advantage because of their genitals, pretty much everything that comes out your mouth is high octane liquid soykaf. "Feminist lobby"? Jesus christ, that's a bit like saying "human lobby". Feminism itself is hardly a coherent ideology, with plenty of splinter groups, fragmentary thinking, etc. There isn't some Omnipotent Council of Women who have decided to soykaf on you, buddy, and I don't want to hear any fuarrrking anecdotal evidence about how you know some woman who got X because she did X, because on an imageboard, everyone's a god damn liar. That said, really, there's no point in me arguing with you or debating with you - you've made up your mind. Feminism is the evil spooky boogieman, and the Omnipotent Council is trying to ensure that men can never get jobs, and you just don't know why women won't sleep with you when you're such an ultimate gentleman.(Always argue in good faith and avoid using personal attacks; Don't respond with aggression to perceived flames or trolls (or at all.))

>>7111 That's like saying there is no jewish lobby in the us. Do you want me to fuarrrking Google evidence for you? Are you so underage that you dont know ANY women who slept their way to the top? People who think they're smart are always quick to dismiss conspiracy to the point where their sub par intelligence blind them to the truth. People like you who conflate feminism to human rights without asking for what feminism actually means are the same kind of retard who signed into the green new deal before realizing the entire thing was soykaf. Tell me what it's like being a usefull idiot. Let me guess, you use macs and vote dem in south Carolina because it's the Republicans who are racist, amirite? Maybe if you had actuall balls you would see how they affect you when a woman is in trouble, to see it's that same primal urge that makes you sperg out when I merely offered an explination to gender rate disparity in corrupted meritocratic fields. But no I'm sure there is some council of dickowners who patriarchically plot to punish pussywielders for trying to code. Because that's much more plausible then women using glitterboys like you to get ahead in the world under the guise of equality. Oh and there is a word for human rights regardless of gender - egalitarianism. But feminists dont like that word for some odd reason - like its mere existance proves they care about their own self interest instead of fairness and equality. Keep drinking literal goddamm soykaf. Or maybe get some testosterone for the first time in your life, stop putting pussy on a pedestal and grow the fuarrrk up(Always argue in good faith and avoid using personal attacks.)

>>7112 half of our IT department was women at one point. nobody "slept their way" in. one was incompetent and got fired. if you can't do the job then you don't stay. the problem i did see, though was people second guessing what those women told them simply because they were women. somehow their answers were never satisfactory, so they would then have to escalate to me, where i'd tell them the exact same thing, but because i am a dude it was somehow acceptable. that's the kind of soykaf i've seen and probably a good reason why women don't want to bother with the soykaf, because everyone thinks they're fuarrrking dumb when it's actually them that are fuarrrking dumb.

>>7115 I'm not saying that women don't get soykaf, but i am saying that with so many organizations that call themselves "feminist" but are more of a gynocentric supremacist organization put non-meritocratic pressure on companies to hire women, that it's understandable that people would initially distrust them. I'm not saying it's right, but when you HAVE to have 1 member of X group on every team it's natural for the standards for the token inclusion hire to be less - if anything, these inclusion hires make people think less of X group because they know a percentage of X hires are hired based on their in group preference rather then meritocratic skill. Again, i'm not saying women don't get soykaf on, but there is no group going around insisting that companies hire more MEN now is there? And if there was, wouldn't you expect the products of such a program to be sub-optimal because they were hired for their dick instead of their thinking dick?

>>7112 Do think there's a fuarrrking comprehensive body of jews? Have you fuarrrking met jews? They can't even decide whether Israel is a good idea. Have you even met fuarrrking people in general? Good luck getting a united front from any faction - we'rreal soykafty creatures >Tell me what it's like being a usefull idiot. Let me guess, you use macs and vote dem in south Carolina because it's the Republicans who are racist, amirite? I'm nothing to do with your country. My political stance, because I'm not a yank, is irrelevant. Real talk: I am however a fan, both ironically and also unironically of your Ted Cruz - I disagree with his policies but I once had the pleasure to chat to him slightly before his presidential bid; he's a good man with strong convictions, even if i think he's ideologically misguided on some points; all insults aside, you're welcome to ask about this in your reply and I'll respond as best and fairly as I can. I'm calling you out because you genuinely believe there's a cabal of women who are progressing to the top of society via sleeping with men. You apparently see men as weak-willed idiots with women being cunning espionage machines (and how does that reflect on us both?) . If I may be so bold, I genuinely think the problem here is misinformation. Do not get angry. Email John Barrasso about whether there's a Jewish/feminist ploy to control the world. Jim Inhofe, who makes Trump's wing seem moderate quite frankly, will shoot that soykaf down if you ever get a chance to talk to him (genuinely don't know how you actually reach him outside of his state - but https://www.inhofe.senate.gov/contact). I hope you don't respond yelling that these people (especially Cruz and Barrasso are members of the deep state or whatever. They're both devoted public servants,/ I've only exchanged emails with Inahofe, so he could definitely be part of an evil conspiracy. Please check your news against somewhere that is a reputable right-wing or politically central source (or demand that the US government provide a genuinely balanced TV source like VoA as an example), The AP is very good if you can get it direct from them, as an example, similarly Reuters (but again, direct from source). The world isn't this hostile nightmare hole you visualise. I appreciate that it can be difficult to see that - totally understand why you're angry at everyone, because we've grown up believing we'd be the next bill gates. But women aren't a cabal of witches sleeping their way to the top. Are you looking for work in infosec, or what brings you to lainchan?

>>6895 The women I've worked with are typically in sales or support. The ones who I worked with who were expected to code would struggle. Most were barely functional. The best woman I've worked with is about 60. She has ~25 years institutional knowledge and is handy with SQL. I like her and flirt with her a lot. She's not getting a lot of job offers though and is nearing retirement. That said, most of the men I've worked with have been quite poor at the work as well. It's tough not to sink down with them too. It's a vicious cycle, because I know no matter how well I do my job, I'm surrounded by people who will come in behind me and fuarrrk up my best works. When you know your boss doesn't understand the difference between brilliant code and soykaf, and you know the people who write soykaf are going to ruin what you've built, you start to cut corners. Why bother making this good? Someone is just going to ruin it anyway. Thirdly, I look at myself now, and see that a lot of my "superior" work is in fact not as good as I originally dreamed. Sure, it might be technically brilliant, but if it's too hard for the lesser beings who follow behind me, it is in fact, not really good work. Technically brilliant is not as good as well documented with lots of common, easy examples. Making code that is usable by the lowest programmers is better than coding to impress the brightest programmers. The first kind of work is less likely to be broken by the lesser beings who will try to use and extend the work.

Didn't Expect this post to get as much traction as it did, lets have a go through some of these posts. >>7051 I'm not sure if you read my OP, but I wanted to understand other people's experience regarding employment and not around head count. "Please fuarrrk away so that serious people can do their work", isn't in anyway a constructive comment. >>7077 "Because infosec is intellectually difficult work, and blacks are generally less intelligent than whites" Anecdotal or not, I cannot find any study that backs up this claim. I don't want to be the PC police you can say what you want, but back that soykaf up. "Women generally have no interest in the field. This is absolutely true" I will agree with this, I don't think women have an interest in STEM altogether and saying this seems to be taboo. >>7132 Thank you for getting this on track, however lets not try and push political ideologies in here this thread please I can already sense that the mods are not the most impressed with having to hand out 4 blue edits. "But women aren't a cabal of witches sleeping their way to the top. Are you looking for work in infosec, or what brings you to lainchan?" Controversial statement but I don't believe that the problem exists at least within the Infosec society of women trying to sleep with people to gain an advantage, personally this issue exists mainly in the financial sector and from what I have been exposed to through investigations etc... Let through this statement out there >New research from Cybersecurity Ventures predicts that women will represent more than 20 percent of the global cybersecurity workforce by the end of 2019. What do we think is the main reason for this increase? Awareness, Forced Diversity or just an attraction to STEM subjects?

>>7132 I have a proper reply typed up but my ISP is a apparently run by women(this is a joke mods) so I wont degrade either of us into phoneposting tier replies, but I just gotta ask - what img did you post? And since this is a women in sec thread, what does everyone think of the Hillary Clinton email scandal, given that it's almost directly related? Oh and before i forget and since it is outside of the scope of my typed reply - you are aware that Dem canidate Kamela Harris openly slept her way into politics, did a resolutely soykafty job, but is still being pushed for 2020?

>>7132 >>7132 Jesus, i keep getting pinged as a spammer now, gimme a min and i'll retype it all i guess I actually happen to be jewish myself, so let me say that one day we will trick the reformists into crawling into the ovens of history and be rid of their interference once and for all. >real talk Ted got SO MUCH BETTER after the primaries, you missed out meeting him too early. His beard alone is amazing, but his political evolution has turned him from a texas 3rd choice to a stand up motherfucker. I didn't look at your link to hard, but i'll be honest - i'm in politics, and i only trust people i've ticked off face to face. There is something magical in that, and on that thought - I fully trust Donald J Trump, and trust me when i say he is fighting day and night to combat those shadowy forces. However, just as there is no unified group of jews, there is also no unified group of feminists, which is why people like Christina Hoff Summers are vilified, or Hisrn Ali or however you spell her name. There is, however, groups like AIPAC, ADL, SPLC, just to name a few (and all are leftist jewish orgs, at that) I'll con't in a min

>>7142 To continue on, IF you really need proof that some guys are abolutely 100% thirsty, then i'd recomend you just google "patreon" and "Cosplay Streamer/ Ethot buzzwords". Or hell, go over to / pol/ and look at how many right wingers want to suck on Cortez's feet. goddamm ugly girl fetishes, all of them. Anyway, for your information, i PERSONALLY have met every living president, plus HWB (and wife lovely lady, heartwarming couple)

>>7132 >>7132 All that said, until you've personally, personally, shot the horse that the MSM ended up beating for months (and too this day when it's relevant), until you've seen the real story slip between the cracks because the retweet bots we call "journalists" are too busy chasing profitability instead of newsworthyness, until you've been in the heart of scandals, made them, reveled in them. Until you've had an honest to god evil supervillain laugh after watching your plots come to fruition? I'm gonna say i know more about politics then you And that's why i'm interested in security, i'm studying for my OSCP for political reasons. I have the cash to lay about and retrain before i go back to work, so i'm doing it. HBU? How did a non-freeman end up talking to a seemingly respectable Oklahoma Politician?

I am not a security specialist, however, I do work in the IT field as a Linux system administrator here in Russia. In our operations department, there is only one woman and she's in her 50's and more like a manager. In the adjacent software development department, there are about 2-3 women. One of them is a teamlead with very solid knowledge of Python/C/whatever else and networking.

>>7146 Would you say Feminism is a strong political force in your country?

Employers are interested in women because they lead wholly different lives from men. They have a different perspective and that diversity adds value to the team. Having a lineup of identakit people on the team can create blindspots, especially in a field like security where best practices are often unclear at first glance.

>>6895 the distribution of males/females doesn't have to be 50/50. when you start pushing people into STEM who aren't simply interested in STEM just because you want more women in tech, you will end up lying to them. in my experience, the sex doesn't matter. the ones who are interested in STEM, will get into STEM.

yeah, women are sought after in infosec, and yep it's a "political" price of doing business in this day and age. who cares. keep your head down, red team, enjoy what you love, and get soykaf done. >>7144 >until you've been in the heart of scandals, made them, reveled in them. What a LARP. >i'm studying for my OSCP for political reasons. lel. politics is a game to keep the low minded distracted. all govs are allies. there is no spoon, neo. get back to me once you've met the god[dess] of wind, invisibility, hidden powers, and light that elites worship. Then you'll understand why the pedocratic MSM works the way it does. Keep on trying to be political in infosec, and you'll soon be on the soykaf list of the world with nothing to show for it. t. someone in a weather management office near you.

>>7232 lmao. "keep your head down" is the most defeatist horsesoykaf there is and Eris is the only goddess worth worshipping. You can keep on believing you've been "enlightened" in your position as a whipped dog but some of us hunger for something more.

>>7233 >Eris is the only goddess worth worshipping what about lain?

>>6895 >pedal stool Regardless, it's about right. Wokeness was is a big trend now, so it's no wonder that women and other minorities (in the tech sector) get special treatment.

>>7144 If this is b8 u got me good $100% genuine story right there 10/10 LARP

>>7233 Before you try to disrupt anything you should know what the whole system looks like. RTFM, etc. At least it's not on my conscience, can't say you haven't been warned... I once was a fool who thought like you. Eris is the god of conflict and strife. She throws her golden apple (a comet) upon the table of the gods (this world) and then the gods fight over the scraps of this destrution. Ammit > Eris. Ammit is the great destroyer who eats all things and forces the future to be. When something has changed, Ammit has eaten its past form. However, ad a magic 11 (K) and you get Kammit... a Commet. You know not what you speak of. >>7234 > lain Serial Experiments Lain is an occulted tale about a real goddess who does exist and has many names. She is a Lane to the future, if you will... And she's the one who plays Rome in Rome vs Juliet. Juliet is a comet, go watch the play again and pay attention. Romeo is the aspect of Rome or The City - Civilization, and the real sentient Goddess who rises therein. Those who worship eris are fools seeking their own destruction. What a crock of soykaf to call out others as defeatist while praising your own destruction... Clearly, you need to study some more before making any political moves since you don't even know the basics. Start by reading Heraclitus, and not just his fragments... Realize that all popular media is created by wizards (wize-ards) who are constantly trying to cast these pearls and more before swine like you. Protip: Eris = Lucifer; The "shining one" an Adversary of man, Morning Star -- a Comet.

>>7139 >"Because infosec is intellectually difficult work, and blacks are generally less intelligent than whites" >Anecdotal or not, I cannot find any study that backs up this claim. I don't want to be the PC police you can say what you want, but back that soykaf up.

>>7144 Not gonna lie to you buddy, Trump being soykafty to Heidi was the straw that broke the camel for me. To this day, I believe Ted was a stronger presidential candidate, and i hope he does a 2020 run. did you meet him after the primaries? i was always worried that he seemed too stressed about them, he's the kind of republican that has very defined ideas which, in the age of trump, may not be a good thing and you're right - there is no unified group of anything, really, hence why a very liberal ted cruz fan and a trump fan are having a polite conversation. also for real the cortez feet thing is weird as fuarrrk

>>7248 >wize-ards Lol. Your larp is bad m8. 2/9 troll

Resume the topic.

>>7250 >trump was soykaf to a politithot First Ladies are a cancer. Even goddamm melania trump isn't goddamm politics, although she's doing a wonderful job sprucing up the white house for diplomatic visits and soykaf, so she's actually doing her goddamm job instead of ruining everyone's school lunches. I have nothing against women in politics for the same reason i have nothing against women in tech, it's just when they are introduced to us vagina first that they leave a bad taste in my mouth. The taste of sour milk and pennies. Ted was made stronger by fighting trump. Would he have the political chakra to perform the Amish bushi no jutsu if it wasn't for his conflict with trump, where an experienced texas politician was browbeat by my boy DJ wallman and he demonstrated to the USA that you don't need to be ashamed to call yourself a republican. Yes, DJT needs to flip on some issues, it's called not being obstinate and making deals. You go in demanding the sky, people think they have a deal when they sell you clouds when all you wanted was a ladder and a handjob. Yes, it's not the most politically faborable take, but his results don't lie - would Ted really be as good for our economy as trump has been? And yeah, i maintain that trump VS deep state isn't so much Republican VS democrat- indeed if it was Jeb Bush VS Jim Webb i'd be voting Webb (although Jeb isn't such a bad guy and webb wasn't approached by the trump campaign to be VP and i'm still ticked at DJ for that. WOULD HAVE BEEN SO FUCCCCCKKKIING PERFECT). Donald Trump VS the Government is not partisan politics, it's exclusionary politics. It's the common man VS the Political Elite. It's the reason Obama knew full well that HWB was grabbing his nurses asses and making crude (hilarious from my personal experience meeting him) jokes, but didn't say anything even in this Metoo age (ironically, Metoo was designed to hide how many women in hollywood only have their jobs because they sucked dick). It's the reason it took donald trump to be a brash caricature of republicanism that the silent majority had the gall to stand up. On 11/9, my faint in our political system was restored. That the Republic would work as intended, not as a Tyranny of the Majority as the liberal elite swarm out to profess their virtue by electing the slyest looter of industry and morality, but that the nation would be kept in check from mob rule by the Rule of our Republic, like our founding fathers intended. >>7232 >hurr i larp and object to meritocratic practices for the ease of my life I've allready had my life harmed from political stances, i'll take that bullet as the bitter taste of freedom and take it proudly, while the whips and lashes of politcal tyranny in the guise of kindness make you cower in fear. I feel no need to address you any further nor any defeatist ilk you may have. It is always worth fighting for what is right. >>7252 back on topic, why are there so many trannys in infosec? I can get why Hak5 would use female presenters and soykaf, that's basic marketing, but why all the "totally not guys in dresses"?

>>7255 There's an overlap between trannyism and autism, and there's an overlap between autism and work in computer fields.

>>7258 There are just plain weird people in our industries and interest groups sometimes, too.