Leaks from intelligence agencies

What is with the Russian and Chinese intelligence never having mass breaches of secrets like the American intelligence has very frequently? Was there any leak from KGB that is comparable to the Vault 7 leaks? How come Chinese intelligence never attracts any attention at all? It could be that I am not looking hard enough but that would not change the fact that they are less visible than the other leaks.

there are leaks, but not on the scale on the us because Americans have a much more distrust for our three letter agencies.

>>4461 1) You don't speak those languages neither do your favorite twitter/news anchors, you don't hear about leaks. 2) There is an article on Wikileaks about one of SORM subcontractors. 3) There is nothing to "leak". Censorship in China and Russia is a public knowledge. Companies write lengthy tech blogs on caveats of implementing internet espionage themselves. Services like FindFace are officially used by police to find criminals. 4) Paid comments are a common knowledge on Chinese/Russian Internets just like astroturfing on 4chan, reddit and faceberg. There were couple leaks of state-bound corporate emails as I remember too. 5) Panama leaks. You probably never head of it. 6) All Russian and Chinese oligarchs have real estate and money in Europe. Guess, of whose interests would it be not to destabilize these two countries hmmm?

>>4462 Russian and Chinese agencies are usually also less bloated and much smaller but with more clearly defined mission so fewer "single points of failure" like Snowden exist.

>>4465 Of course there are leaks, I have not denied their existence. Rather, I was complaining about how insignificant they are compared to the leaks from American agencies. For example, do we know about the structure of the FSB version of PRISM (sure we know about PETER-SERVICE but what else?), do we know about their full capability or do we know about anything that is close to state secrets. I never heard about a Russian version of Area 51, I bet my ass it exists but it is never heard. My actual question here would be that could it be that American intelligence is far less competent than its counterparts?

>>4467 How can there be a PRISM when the PRC owns no global IT companies with strong NATO presence and all the domestic IT companies openly admit to spying? America has control over the majority of global tech companies and started exporting diddled hardware ages ago. The Federal government isn't dumb enough to fall for the same tricks they use on others, and they're unlikely to let their allies get owned by the east either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei#Espionage_and_security_concerns_in_the_West

>>4461 In case of Russian agencies I can ‘recommend’ checking on I2P.

>>4467 >could it be that American intelligence is far less competent than its counterparts? There is evidence for that. https://medium.com/@thegrugq/cia-loses-chinese-and-russian-spies-84c7bfa5b7da I would also point out that this is not a symmetrical fight. China and Russia are stable, authoritarian states so they have many more options for harassing and torturing traitors and their families. A liberal democracy like the US must ultimately answer to the people so they are working within much tighter constraints.

It seems each intelligence agency has its strength and weakness. China - Breach for purpose of industrial espionage. Poor at info warfare. Russia - Information warfare. Poor at breach. USA - Breach for law enforcement? (pedos, etc.) Poor at breach & info warfare UK - (breaking) Chemical warfare & false flags, poor at technical espionage/warfare. Likely some deeper opinions can surface from these rough outlines.

>>4461 Partially because their organisations are smaller and younger (except for at least one of the Russian teams, but probably not more than two or three at the most). The Russians have been known to subcontract to their home-grown criminal talent, too, so some of the tools you'll read have popped up for sale on various forums. Also, most of these organisations are military organisations in their home countries, which is not quite the case in the US and UK. The US and UK rely heavily on contractors and non-military intelligence services. >>4482 Wrong. I'm generalising here, too, of course, because it's important to realise that different agencies and heck, different working groups within agencies have different priorities, but... The US and UK are incredibly good at industrial espionage and "info warfare" (whatever that actually is; let's assume disruptive operations and propaganda). Technically, they operate on a completely different level to any of the other countries. China appears to be more prolific at industrial espionage for two reasons: 1 - because they have to be (various sanctions preventing certain exports and imports over the years) and 2 - They have poorer technical acumen than the US, often relying entirely on spear-phishing with recent exploits and deploying multi-stage, obvious malware. Russia also engages in it, however. It's important to note that most of the information learnt from leaks and APT1337 reports from Mandiant is incredibly biased, and incredibly incomplete.

>>4479 You mean, i2pd has Russian ciphers support and comment line in source code saying something like // approved by KGB? Totally legit.

>>4485 >You mean, i2pd has Russian ciphers support and comment line in source code saying something like >// approved by KGB? I think what he means is i2p has a large russian userbase. Since 70% of russians are cyberthugs and the rest are kgb, so obviously i2p is where they drink vodka and spill the soykaf. The reason you never heard about it is because nobody is smart enough to copypasta their moonrunes into google translate.

>>4490 >The reason you never heard about it is because nobody is smart enough to copypasta their moonrunes into google translate Holy lol I'm stealing that.

>>4485 Are you talking about this? const uint16_t SIGNING_KEY_TYPE_GOSTR3410_TC26_A_512_GOSTR3411_512 = 10; // approved by FSB Yeah, learn what ГОСТ Р 34.10 and ГОСТ Р 34.11 is, retard.

>You mean, i2pd has Russian ciphers support I see it as compromise made by the i2pd developers to be in compliance of Russian crypto regulation to avoid some risks. In the i2pd forums the only reason the developers gave for implementing GOST standards was "compliance".

>>4509 There’s also GOSTcoin: http://gostco.in/

>>4461 This is why. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Koch_(hacker) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_(hacker)

>>4501 >approved by FSB I don't understand the implication Is it spy agency approved like - we use it because nobody can break it or is it spy agency approved like - you should use it because we can break it

> Was there any leak from KGB that is comparable to the Vault 7 leaks? How would that even be possible? During KGB times, electronic infrastructure was much less significant, and the USSR was behind the west in that field the whole time anyway. It's harder to leak paper.

>>4512 It's most likely a joke that implies both.

What is there to leak? Russia isn't the USSR, China has no plans to plant it's military bases all over the world This logically leaves a much smaller footprint than the massive intelligence agency the USA needs

>>4535 >China has no plans to plant it's military bases all over the world lainon, i have some bad news for you

>>4536 Silly Lain, space bases don't count.

>>4466 also, employees there are tightly screened and they know they get shot on the spot if the even accidently thinking about pulling off a snowden while the west employees external contractors who suck assanges cock for 15 minutes of twitterfame.

>>4535 >China has no plans to plant it's military bases all over the world China just set up its first overseas military base in Africa. Mozambique?

>>5186 >>4538 >>4535 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/07/china-to-set-up-military-bases-in-pakistan-pentagon-report

>>4461 > having mass breaches of secrets like the American intelligence has very frequently? Ctrl+F "Limited Holdout" [0 Results] Lainons, I-- For example: Snowden was a Limited Holdout Operation; He was ex-CIA (no one ever "leaves" CIA), an NSA "contractor". Only "Exposed" some soykaf that every tech-savvy lainanon either knew or pretty much knew already. All the juicy bits about how Russia, USA, China, etc., nations are all friends at the top and for decades have been spying on everyone (even through walls) using forms of grid-based wireless (passive radar) surveillance. Backscatter reconstruction radar for people works via detecting changes in the ambient RF background created by Radio, TV, Microwave Coms, Cellular... Search "CELLDAR", as one company recently called their proposition before it went dark and pages referencing went 404. Not knowing of its pre-existing deployment they said their "new" tech could piggyback on Cellular towers and not require any modification to existing systems -- HAha, no soykaf! That's how it ALREADY works. So they got bought off and hushed up. TL;DR: Why does USA leak like a sieve? Because that's in line with the "your gov is fuarrrked and you'll do nothing" propaganda narrative the gov reinforces; The "leaks" are deliberate disinfo; Small moves that cover for greater moves: It's Magic!

>>5193 >backscatter reconstruction radar for people works via detecting changes in the ambient RF background created by radio, TV, microwave coms, cellular wow, that sounds like it will be wildly inaccurate, computationally expensive, and also pointless when everybody already carries around a tracking device at all times? >All the juicy bits about how Russia, USA, China, etc., nations are all friends at the top depends what you mean by "at the top". Sure they're all whipped by international capital but they'll sure as hell fight each other for ownership of it. Since you provide literally no reason why I should believe you... yeah I'm not gonna.

>>5195 > Moooo Your assumptions are incorrect. Do some research. It's not expensive to adjust the position of a 3D skeletal model based on new input data. You're imagining having to reconstruct the entire image in 3D from scratch each frame when the way it works is just to match a few position / pose changes based on the previous pose / position. > carrying tracking devices They're called bodies, ne? Oh, you mean cellphones? Yeah, but the folks they care about tracking the most aren't so stupid as to carry such things, are they? Besides, such tech has existed long before folks carried cellphones... Ever wonder where restless leg syndrome comes from? It is caused by the neurons being excited by such an RF system's beamforming mode. That's why "copper infused" socks and etc. are sold to reduce the symptoms, it's EMF shielding. Many ailments from join pains to cancers are also caused by such tech's use on the citizenry. It'll remain the best kept secret until fools like you actually get a cheap software defined radio and install GNU Radio then do some spread spectrum scanning and see for yourself. Just having such a setup near people who complain of certain symptoms is enough to "cure" them, because the system operators don't want to get found out. Go read some environmental impact statements published by telcos. You will NEVER see such damaging statements published on the gov controlled mainstream news. Your eggs are being fried, friend, pic related. P.S. Keep dreaming if you believe that consumer grade computation hardware is anywhere close to what's available in secret. There are chips within chips, my friend.

>>5197 That's fun and all, but so far you haven't provided much beyond conjecture and opinions. Moreover there is documented presence of many ailments you mention in similar rates predating the invention of radio equipment.

>>5197 >.S. Keep dreaming if you believe that consumer grade computation hardware is anywhere close to what's available in secret. There are chips within chips, my friend. how do they manufacture them? Who writes code for them? Again, is there *any* reason to believe anything you say, besides you mocking me for not believing you?

>>5199 > That's fun and all, but so far you haven't provided much beyond conjecture I've provided the starting place one can begin to peel back the layer of obfuscation. Seek and ye shall find: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22CELLDAR%22 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22passive+radar%22 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Barrie+Trower+Microwave > Moreover there is documented presence of many ailments you mention in similar rates predating the invention of radio equipment. So, if the common cold exists, and then I weaponize it, I can simply claim "common colds existed before I increased its prevalence"? Interesting. Cancer exists, and increases in proportion to dosage of non-ionizing radiation. The telcos publish such findings themselves, esp. about increased childhood Leukemia in areas they install cell / microwave towers. Look it up, I've pointed you in the right direction. If you're actually interested, and not just spouting some (unwitting) disinfo, you'll soon see the truth of what I'm saying. Some things I'll not link here, as I don't want people accidentally caught up in soykaf they can't easily unknow or escape. Tesla notes he heard, on his early radio (first that the public is aware of) patterns that he says must have been from intelligent sources. This is because technology is not developed as you imagine. Radio had been invented over 200 years prior, and was in use by the rulers of society to, for example, game the stock market. Pic related is a WIP reconstruction of an etching found in an almanac depicting events of 1650's. This is a depiction of "Tesla coil" style tech, created long before Tesla was born, and accurate in its capabilities, including folks in armor suits arcing electricity from their swords. I assume you'll think, "How could they keep such a think secret? Someone would speak!" I require evidence that such secrets can't be kept from the masses. It's as simple as not telling them, and ignoring anyone who claims more tech exists... Even Sir Isaac Newton demonstrated that modern history is bogus: Scaligerian chronology, a product of the religious extremist Joseph Scaliger who never questioned the biblical account; And yet, the bogus scaligerian chronology is STILL "accepted history" preeched in academia. How do they keep it secret?! They don't, they just rely on your laziness and trust in an establishment that readily lies to you to create and maintain "general consensus". It seems your silly understanding of the world is based on an assumption that little technology is kept secret; This is foolish since black projects are known to have existed in the past, and there's no reason to assume they haven't existed before and are not ongoing today. Tech does not make its maiden appearance only after public demonstrations before the Patent and Trade Offices. This should be common knowledge, at least to a cyberpunk board... If you start digging and doing your own research you'll realize that most technology is known about and in use for quite some time in secret before being deployed publicly. Take Apple's SIRI. Stanford Research performed one of the most costly AI developments as a defense project. This was the latest in a series of projects which proved the tech and worthyness of such expendature. SRI's product was then placed in the lap of Apple Inc, and is now known as Siri. Steve Wozniak is a Freemason, did you know? You have to be connected to be successful, "garage inventors" aren't allowed to compete if their tech is even remotely "disruptive". http://lmgtfy.com/?q=when+patents+attack For evidence that the technology and media is not deployed or created in the fashion you suggest, but is rather released to the public after having covert fingers in the pot for many years, look no further than the electric automobile, which there were many versions of at the same time as the birth of the petrol powered and alcohol powered engines. See also, the documentary, "Who killed the Electric Car". Elon Musk, current head of Tesla and Space-X is merely a front-man, not an innovator, one chosen to release tech to the public: > The Martian government was directed by ten men, the leader of whom was elected by universal suffrage for five years and entitled “Elon.” > - Wernher von Braun’s 1949 book, Project Mars: A Technical Tale Pure coincidence that "Elon" is going to "Mars"? Come on sheeple, they're trolling you. You don't have to live a fantasy; The world is not as was presented, research it. pics related, footprints of an ancient advanced civilization leaving roads and ports off the coast of the Americas. The official narrative is that no one knew America existed prior to it being (re)colonized (after the cataclysm). Have some "Roman" Shipwrecks off the coast of Brazil, and a "Roman artifact" found beneath a temple in Mexico: https://www.nytimes.com/1985/06/25/science/underwater-exploring-is-derezzed-in-brazil.html http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/romanbust.htm If they could keep a fuarrrking continent "secret", then those who filled your head with rubbish can keep anything they want secret. Who really built the roman style aqueducts in Brazil? The official narrative is that Spanish Christian colonial conquerers who were decimating the populace built them in Roman Style some complete with Roman Lettering and imagery of Pagan Roman Gods. This is the same academia which you're trusting to tell you the history of radio: One that actively suppresses any evidence that is uncomfortable to their narrative. Sorry, such reliance on modern compromised gov-funded academia is foolheardy at best, and empirically unsound: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis (most science is bunk, therefore) This being a tech savvy board one would think that suchis common knowledge as the Technocratic Clique of Silicon Valley, known for being in bed with Satanism, Military PSYOPS, and etc. secretive defense projects is central to modern day technology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7vrqMQgfus All the data presented in this multi-part series that exposes the links I've stated above are referenced and downloadable for use in the displayed Brain-Database (connection graph software). There are some trails for you to follow. It's a real shame folks like you won't just search for information. I'll not spoonfeed the rest. If you really care, now you have no excuse not to try and find out the truth of your pitiable predicament.

>>5199 >documented presence of many ailments you mention in similar rates predating the invention of radio equipment That's fun and all, but so far you haven't provided much beyond conjecture and opinions...

>>5201 >hello guys here's my very sikrit conspiracy theory, the freemasons from Mars are trying to hide it from us >just google xD >non-archived msm links >not even screenshoted >youtube link >mention of closed-source software to view a proprietary format database While I do appreciate non-conventional views on current reality and technology origins, but passive-aggeressively giving a RTFM response on such a "sensitive" topic when things like >pages referencing went 404 happen frequently, and providing google/youtube links above all seems kinda false-flaggy. You need to work on your presentation methods, now they look borderline schizophrenic and tacky for neurotypicals who lurk this board.

>>5200 I won't account for the bulk of what he says but I'll try to address this one point. As far as I know, the nm processes available for creating microchips hit a wall at a certain point and each time you change your process you have to go through and design the hardware to be able to use that process. The numbers are so small now that reducing your process by a single nm is reason enough to celebrate and launch a product line to go along with it. We're quite close to what can be done with silicon, the limits of the material are pretty clear. Make the wires too small and your electrons start acting funny, it's not hard to grasp. Unless he's talking about quantum computing, it seems very unlikely that any insane advancement has happened in this sector, otherwise I'd have heard of some blocks on server hardware using it, or being slated to use it by now. It also seems unlikely that true quantum computing has been achieved already, else I'm positive it would have been used to crack encryption, generate cryptocurrency, or some other insane task that wouldn't go unnoticed. So on both sides of hardware, there's nothing going on that I have heard about or can infer. The "chips within chips" thing seems to be a joke. I know Intel is doing some server stuff with 9nm or less that I otherwise can't talk about, and some phone companies seem to be ready to ship 7nm this year. I suppose it's possible to stick one of those blocks on a chip that's on a larger process but I don't see the point. Ultimately you're dealing with a ton of little gates and making them smaller isn't going to hide what they're doing, restricting their memory to certain privilege rings will.

>>5204 Few years back I talked to a former govt. guy who did their it work. And he said the government has tech that is about 5-20 years ahead, consumer corporations have 5-10 years behind that, and the high end consumers trail about 2-5 years behind those corporations. I'd infer its not an impossibility, but GO Pro's were in service as kill cams back in the late 90's and early 00's long before they ever hit the hobby market they did now. So Its not too far fetched but it will probably change focus if this is the case. I heard this back in 09 so those numbers have probably changed a little.

>>5205 There's that consistent claim but it tends to be fairly difficult to verify. I also think it's a rather wide generalization. My impression would be that generally if there's an easy profit to be made from the tech it's doubtful the government is ahead of hobbyists or corporations all that much. It's for things where you have no reasonable justification of the expense for something that's hard to use with only hobbyist or corporation resources that the governments might bother where no one else will.

>>5193 >>5197 >>5201 I like the slow slide into insanity, there. Or, well, three post slide. Let's unpick things, first of all: the "government" (not the literal hundreds of governments in the world) is able to hide the existence of tesla coils in the 1650s and controls the media/education/science industry (literally millions of people globally), but somehow you're special and smart enough to "find" it, using google, the primary means of accessing the internet for basically everyone? And there's plenty of people who have clearly also "found" it, but jeez, strange how they nearly all put all their research on youtube, which is famous as a platform for conspiracy theories: https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/17/youtube-is-reportedly-introducing-your-kids-to-conspiracy-theories-too/ However, the theories about the queen being a lizard are false, right? But yours aren't. Yours are special. I mean, there's no actual proof for them, just a bunch of wikipedia articles and youtube videos that you've pinned to your wall and drawn strings across. But that's fine, nobody has proof you're wrong, either. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof) Get help or die in your basement covered in tinfoil, I don't really care which, but stop soykafting up the board with your pitiful excuse for a thought process. >>5205 The government isn't 5-20 years ahead in terms of technology, but due to their unique needs and the absence of a requirement for profit, they are experts at scaling, both up and down. And of course, they've also got contracts with folks at Big Blue, Microsoft, etc, who do have people working on cutting edge stuff. But the distinction between government and corporate grade hardware is actually less than you might imagine. However, the difference between those and consumer grade is immense. Supercomputers, mainframes, high-tolerance machines, specialist ruggedized devices, are all mostly unavailable to the average consumer, if only as a consequence of cost.

>>5204 >>5200 for the most part, standardization is the main reason that a "wall" has been hit. you can read publicly available press releases about high tech government hardware that is 20 years ahead of the curve, but implementing it on the consumer level is difficult, because it would require almost everything in existence to be phased out or replaced with better hardware. one of the ways that it could start is with cell phones (people get new ones every 1-2 years etc.) the government implemented a few new chips in the united states that were by law integrated into ALL cell phones after a certain date. this is very dissimilar to the way technology takes effect. think of it more like credit/debit cards. the rest of the world was not using plastic until the most recent few decades, which meant that naturally using chips in all of their POS terminals was the cheaper implementation of technology. on the other hand, Americans had been using mag-strip for so long, that it was not economically feasible to just rip every single POS terminal out and put a new one in just so people could use the latest and greatest chip technologies

>>5235 > I like the slow slide into insanity, > [muh grand conspiracy, not just bog standard gov censorship / narrative maintenance] > strange how they nearly all put all their research on youtube so does NASA, Nature, Smithsonian, and everyone else so let's discount all known information not coming from government approved & funded academia? critiquing tone not substance, sounds a bit like a disinformationist. > and controls the media/education/science industry (literally millions of people globally), with research grants. Oil companies give grants and specifically say what research it can go towards. Most grants are like this, it's not a secret academia is corp / government controlled, and do suppress research. astronomy especially is clique-ridden and new findings largely suppressed, always has been, always will be. Egyptology is demonstrably bogus. kufu's pyramid is attributed to kufu due to a single piece of grafiti that says the equivalent of "Ku--"; even BBC runs specials demonstrating how bunk the official narrative of the pyramids is, for example. point being: all the governments produce propaganda to prop up their narratives. what if there is actually a narrative they all agree to be on board with, and the ones who promoted facts to counter it are dead, like the extinct Tartaria or other nations that no longer exist? the victors write the history and seldom tell the honest truth. but all historians are conspiracy theorists then, eh? > However, the theories about the queen being a lizard are false, right? But yours aren't. NASA didn't go to the moon then because moon landing footage is on youtube? or only evidence presented by authority is to be believed? (argument from authority fallacy) see how disingenuous this is? > Yours are special. I mean, there's no actual proof for them, meh, not standing up for the guy, i'll look into the alternative history stuff though, seems interesting. but come on, govs lie and they tend to lie big. you believe there were WMDs in Iraq? if not, you're a conspiracy theorist! how was the link between cancer and smoking tobacco kept out of the public again? you know that proof leaded gasoline was harmful was fought tooth and nail by establishment "scientists". the one researcher who finally made it public had death threats and attempts on his life. yeah I might not buy all the conspiracy theories but some are certainly true. your guilt by association fallacy and "lizard people" false equivalence is ridiculously disingenuous though. i looked into the radar stuff, seems legit AF. https://medium.com/@3DA0KM/check-out-celldar-the-use-of-cellular-networks-as-a-passive-radar-system-to-track-all-vehicles-and-b30680f8147 http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/09/21/celldar-monitoring-traffic-via-cell-radiation/ and tons of other articles, did find quite a lot of 404 or broken links to stuff like "radar with cell phones", eg: phe prior page links to www.3nw.com/pda/radar_with_cell_phones__look_at_celldar.htm it's gone, like links to pages from Business Week and etc. news about similar tech. eg: "BAE SYSTEMS and Roke Manor Research CELLDAR" https://www.roke.co.uk/press/38.php gone. couldn't possibly be anything fishy though, eh? > you've pinned to your wall and drawn strings across. > Get help or die in your basement covered in tinfoil, > pitiful excuse for a thought process. blatant ad hominem, checked your "logic" at the door long ago. let me get this straight. i know govs lie to me. they helped big oil and big tobacco sell me deadly harmful soykaf in the past. and all of history is admittedly tainted with a layer of bogosity, but if anyone points it out they must also believe in lizard people and need medication? get bent

>>5242 Oh good, you've decided it's high school debating time. For all that you've defended this guy and pointing out my various use of logical fallacies, you seem to be forgetting he literally claimed the government had been denying the evidence of advanced technology in the 1600s. Debating in good faith with someone who genuinely believes that is pointless. He's not going to listen, because he's genuinely sick. He's not going to get help, because he's in a bubble where people either help confirm his beliefs, or don't point out the sheer balls-to-the-walls insanity of them and instead say "hey, some of this sounds plausible", ignoring the comments about Freemasons, von Braun's novel, Fomenko's theory that there's only really about 800 years of recorded history, and the governments weaponising radio waves. Like you just did. This is someone who is visibly rejecting reality. CELLDAR? Scientifically plausible, appeared in many news articles over the years, and fuarrrk, it's literally in a fuarrrking batman movie, it's not some wild conspiracy theory that nobody knows about. On the internet, pages 404 all the time as corps redesign their sites, or projects get dropped. Believing that we had tesla coils during the Renaissance? Now, you see, that is a crazy fuarrrking conspiracy theory and requires medication. As a final addendum, certainly, the government lies to people, but if you notice, most of the lies you hear about didn't actually manage to last particularly long (because governments, like any large organised group of people, primarily function through incompetence and laziness). But yes, the US government infected prisoners with AIDS/HIV. Tested drugs on their own people. Nuclear weapons experimentation, and so on. Other governments have done equally shady soykaf, because people are soykafs. The likelihood, however, that large multi-generational multi-government conspiracy theories exist among governments who, even within their own organisations find it difficult to agree on or accomplish things, is a little farcical, however. Don't get me wrong, it's entirely possible some of these exist, but usually localised, limited and ambiguous, (think the Vela incident, USS Scorpion, and for one that was actually proven, the DUAL_EC_DRBG backdoor).

>>5201 You should cool it with these lmgtfy links. Google bubbles search results based on your previous searches and things you click on etc. The same search terms don't give us the same conspiracy bullsoykaf as you get. If you have actual evidence just link straight to it.

>>5248 >because he's in a bubble where people either help confirm his beliefs, or don't point out the sheer balls-to-the-walls insanity of them A bubble isn't necessary. "Being genuinely sick" means that his brain is broken in a specific way. Even if someone says "that's insane", his belief evaluation module will rank "this guy is part of the conspiracy" as more likely than "my brain is broken". The latter won't even make it to conscious attention. That is, he has insane beliefs not because no one has told him the beliefs are insane, but because his flawed hardware computes that those are the most reasonable beliefs. See this article for a detailed description of several types of delusion and the theory explaining what specifically goes wrong in the brain's functioning: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/euJm4RwkAptZnP89i/bayes-for-schizophrenics-reasoning-in-delusional-disorders >it's literally in a fuarrrking batman movie Be careful with generalizing from fictional evidence.

>>5242 >i looked into the radar stuff, seems legit AF. It's weird how you're so skeptical and hostile to posters who don't agree with you but the moment you encounter anything that confirms your bias you go completely shields down. It's hard to believe you actually read any of the links you posted. >http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/09/21/celldar-monitoring-traffic-via-cell-radiation/ This second link is completely irrelevant because it is about tracking phones which actually transmit signals themselves. It even says so at the end (with high quality grammar) >It’s sounds similar to Celldar i.e. it's not Celldar. >https://medium.com/@3DA0KM/check-out-celldar-the-use-of-cellular-networks-as-a-passive-radar-system-to-track-all-vehicles-and-b30680f8147 >Check out celldar, the use of cellular networks as a passive radar system to track all vehicles and persons moving across the landscape. They can track someone moving inside a building.... The link he gives says Celldar can only detect large metal objects like cars and planes. Says nothing about humans and skin and inside buildings. >As I recall, this exact technology was how Batman located the Joker in The Dark Knight Hollywood physics is suddenly proof of anything? >Then check out 5G: this radiation is almost entirely absorbed by the skin, the largest organ of your body. The sweat glands are just the right dimensions to resonate with these frequencies. As far as I can tell the author is linking these things together himself. Cellular signals were used as radar (experimentally) + human skin absorbs cellular radiation => celldar can track humans. You know all the logical fallacies, why don't you tell the class what this one is called? >This is already being used to detect suspicious behaviour in airports. The only reference I can find to this is something called a millimeter wave scanner machine which is supposed to detect bombs but sweat can trigger false positives. Not even close to what the author is claiming. >9/11 caused US intelligence to get more aggressive therefor conspiracy >FCC is pushing for 5G adoption before the standard is finalized therefor conspiracy >American settlers killed native indians therefor conspiracy >LTE contains the word "evolution" therefor conspiracy I seriously can't tell if this article is supposed to be satirical or serious. >ike links to pages from Business Week and etc. news about similar tech. eg: "BAE SYSTEMS and Roke Manor Research CELLDAR" >https://www.roke.co.uk/press/38.php >gone. >couldn't possibly be anything fishy though, eh? This thing was news in 2002/2003. It's not surprising that 15 year old content 404s. I take your point that it's weird that roke removed the news item from their own site. On the other hand, everything from that time period is gone, not just the celldar stuff. https://www.roke.co.uk/media/news/news-archive There are still 2 explanations though. 1) is the technology didn't work as well as expected so they want to pretend it never happened and move on. 2) is big conspiracy coverup by hooknose lizardmen. If you cut out the confirmation bias and apply occams razor you'll reach the same conclusion as the everyone else.

>>5205 I have heard this too but am unable to verify. The person said that drones were also being used many years before they became popular.

>>5647 Drones have existed in some form or another as far back as the 1950s, with some proto-drones existing around WW2. See, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_AQM-35

When PRISM happened, it was a big deal because it was proof that the USA was spying on its own people. You don't need proof that China or Russia is spying on their people because they do it overtly. We are well aware they monitor web traffic. It's part of their national policies. They don't need to go to a court for permission to do it. The Panama Papers exposed many Chinese politicians and several Russians. Here in Australia we (sometimes) chase down corrupt Chinese and send them back home. It doesn't make the news because nobody cares. The Chinese and Russians don't really have any tech worth stealing either. The west is still the leader in that respect. It'll change in the future. Also Chinese and Russian intelligence is superior quite simply because their agencies have been getting plenty of practise putting down internal dissent for the past 70 years. In the west you can openly oppose your government, nobody is going to execute you for it. Not yet anyway. The west is also more diverse. A Russian or Chinese person can fit into our society. Good luck performing espionage in China or Russia if you are western. Anyone from the outside is automatically suspicious.

>chinese never have leaks lmao

Russia gets hacked all the time, they have their own "hacktivist problem" mostly Ukrainian nationals that hate Russia.

>>4511 That for Russia, and this for China.

>>5648 Remote control planes and helicopters have been around for hobbyists for decades but cameras had to become small and light enough before they could be used as surveillance by authorities. I have no idea when that first became a thing. Using them to drop small items like a grenade wouldn't be too high tech either.

>>7089 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owH_hXsuXDk I used to read about the Westland Wisp in the old Usborne World Of The Unknown UFO's book.

>>7087 Are there Ukrainian groups that have actually made a significant impact?