Living linked to traitors

>Charlie Kirk shooting suspect identified and taken into custody >Details of arrest: A family member of Robinson reached out to a family friend, who then “contacted the Washington County Sheriff’s Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident (the headline is by CNN, some other sources claim it was his father who has reported him and then was holding him until he was arrested). It's appalling how easily people can be swayed into betraying their own kin, all under the pretext of "doing the right thing". Well, not so easily, it takes to build the whole society into a concentration camp in order to make people behave like that en masse. For example once at my workplace one of my co-worker has boasted he has used Ancestry. I told him that use of such services is betrayal of all his relatives and reminded him about several cold cases resolved through DNA evidence, including the case of James DeAngelo, and asked whether the life of one of his maybe distant relative worth the joy of his childish games by participating in soykaf deals like that. And another (not the one who boasted his use of Ancestry) co-worker has said > But James DeAngelo is a criminal! If my relative is a criminal - I'm happy to help the police to arrest him! Individuals like that are absolute abominations. Those traitors not only will snitch on you given the opportunity (for example one of my relatives has snitched on me, she fell ill with COVID-19 ... and when hospital contact tracers have asked her to name persons she has contacted, instead of saying "cannot remember anybody" she has obediently named me), they will also snitch on you constantly, for a penny. They will readily sell own DNA too, for a penny, like a lot of Icelanders have done. And the majority of our society are such traitors. For example when I gave that girl a shocked look, the rest of my coworkers were not shocked at all, they were OK with the thing the girl has voiced, likely they have the similar position, just have not voiced that. And the worst thing of all, we cannot do anything to secure ourselves against such soykaf - masters reward the "reasonable person" livestock whose supreme loyalty is to them with some protection - the protection they would have not needed if they were not supremely loyal to the masters.

In 2020-2021, I have seen a large amount of posts on reddit boasting about how they called the police on their own mom/dad/brother/sister/son/daughter, because they went to church/shop/gym/whatever. They were happy about how they protected society from their lockdown-criminal, covid-terrorist nazi chud relatives. I lost my faith in humanity looking at those posts..

Take a break from the internet.

Snitching on your family because they're criminals is wildy different from snitching on them because they have covid, you must come from a clanic society don't you?

informing health authorities of people you've exposed to covid is also the right call. said people could fall ill and potentially die, they can also spread it to others, killing them. you're an idiot who thinks covid was a harmless disease because you fell for the lies of propagandists like charlie cukk. you're what i call a retarded idealist. you have an ideal, which you stick to no matter what, even if it is demonstrably negative to yourself and society. for you, it is sticking with family, even if they are serial killers. plain retarded.

Why protect you when the master pays better? You provide no benefit, either monetary or ethical.

>>27133 It is a religious matter. Power is divine. Therefore, Government is divine. Our minds and bodies wholely belong to the Government. Technology is strength, we must surrender to it; it must control us fully. We must all merge with Government into one hivemind entity and become God. Family means nothing. Power is all that matters.

if young robinson cared about protecting his family and sought to get away with this, he would not have gone around telling people, and he would not have gone and put his own dad in a position where he is either an accomplice in the murder, or has to turn his own son in. Young robinson was probably going to be found one way or another, especially if he's going around telling people who don't need to know. It sounds like he was also thinking about suicide. To papa robinson, it looks like there's a pretty good chance his son is already dead when the confession is made, by turning son in, papa robinson puts himself in the best possible position to look after his remaining family. The only questionable bit is turning down the reward money, but to accept that for my own family would certainly make me feel like the dirtiest peice of soykaf ever extruded. Personally I hope young robinson is executed before the years end, but knowing the US justice system its not entirely impossible that he will live out a full lifespan and may even be released at some point.

>>27140 >informing health authorities of people you've exposed to covid is also the right call. >said people could fall ill and potentially die One could probably call those people and tell them yourself, cutting the need for the government middlemen. Your contancts then can self isolate at their own will. A lot of government institutions (however useless or even harmful they might be) were historically created because there exists real need for such service in society. But often times, the government doesn't need to be the one to provide it. >>27145 Good post.

>Snitching on your family because they're criminals is wildy different from snitching on them because they have covid No, it is not. All they are enemies of the state. >you must come from a clanic society don't you? There is ain't no "non-clanic" society. Every society is enslaved by a state ruled by mafia clans, you hypocrite. If you really think otherwise - you are just brainwashed. >informing health authorities of people you've exposed to covid is also the right call. No, it is not. It could be a right call if ahead-of-time consent for that is given. If the consent is not given, it is never a right call. I have never given any consent to be reported to contact tracers. >said people could fall ill and potentially die It's not your business. I'm OK with dying of COVID if it is a cost of staying away of the livestock-converting system. When I had COVID myself, I have not called for ambulance and have not informed authorities about that at all. Though I was very far from dying, 38.5 C is not a dying temperature, but I was OK to die, if it takes it. >they can also spread it to others, killing them. What falls, that one should also still push. What had already fallen, that one should be given a coup de grace. >you're an idiot who thinks covid was a harmless disease It is only an idiot who can think that in that situation global pandemic and a lot of deaths could have been preventable. Diseases are like fire - they burn until there is something to burn. When the fuel is depleted - they also fade out, to mutate until they can use new kind of fuel. > you're what i call a retarded idealist. you have an ideal, which you stick to no matter what, even if it is demonstrably negative to yourself and society. Those who don't stick to any ideal are those whose activities are "demonstrably negative to yourself and society", it is because of them we all have the most of the troubles we have. Your father has done a great mistake by not using a condom. Your mother has made a great mistake by not using an IUD and not doing an abortion. They both had made a great mistake by not raising you properly. As a punishment for all that they have abomination like you within ranks of their relatives. >>27141 >Why protect you when the master pays better? You provide no benefit, either monetary or ethical. Neither a traitor does. The benefit a traitor provides to peers is negative. >>27142 >It is a religious matter. Surely it is. It is a well-known religious maxim of every society - to exterminate traitors. >>27145 >if young robinson cared about protecting his family and sought to get away with this, he would not have gone around telling people I'm not a legal scholar and IDK how it is in the US Common Law system, but at least in my jurisdiction 1. There is no legal duty to report felonies except of terrorism and recon-sabotage (and before some recent time there was no legal duty to report at all, but almost universally hated Yarovaya Law has introduced it for terrorism in 2015, and later an additional article about non-reporting recon-sabotage was introduced after Ukrainian saboteur group has killed some military officer, all articles are highly harmful as the only winning party here is the mafia, and everybody else suffers losses) for general population. 2. close relatives have explicit immunity for non-reporting their close relative 3. close relatives have explicit immunity for helping their close relative to hide if the help has not been promised ahead of time for a specific felony. I suspect that in other judicial systems the similar mechanisms are in effect. In that case >especially if he's going around telling people who don't need to know misses an important nuance - he told that to own father and he had no expectation that the father was a traitor. As it often happens with traitors. >papa robinson puts himself in the best possible position to look after his remaining family. No, he didn't. Now the DNA of "his remaining family" (no, a traitor has no family, tho only loyalty of a traitor is the masters!) is in CODIS database, meaning that the only thing everybody anyhow related to his child by DNA has to do is to self-exterminate because it is the life not worthy of life. His best chance to avoid that was to ensure his child has never been found. >Personally I hope young robinson is executed Personally I hope that even from prison he will manage to conduct revenge and wipe out the traitor. About the killed one - he was just an insignificant bullshit spiller that didn't worth a cost of a bullet spent on him. Tom Callam Phillips was an orders of magnitude more worthy person. His daughters were also betrayed - by their very mother who wrote a report on him. >>27147 >because there exists real need for such service in society Only as long as the unsatisfied needs harm the income of the stationary bandits. Livestock cannot be a goal in principle. They are just cows to be milked and slaughtered for meat.

I see glowniggers cannot resist the urge to spam their most recent psyops in places where they do not belong. But thanks anyway for giving me an excuse to drop 153news.net/watch_video.php?v=475MDMY36GBM

Obviously you don't want to have any monsters in your immediate circle, who might become a danger or risk to yourself or others, even if they're related to you. It might be even your responsibility to get them help when they're about to do something terrible. But on the other hand you also don't want to embrace the current ruling iteration of the stasi either and sell your own family members to the machine for some good boy points. It's truly bizarre for me to see families, particularly in the US, not sticking together, either because of "though love" or because they fell for a psyop or public psychosis etc. More bizarre even is that we currently have a political faction of people, as is evident by this very thread, who are ok with both defending murderers who may have destroyed public discourse irreparably but also approve of calling on their own relatives during covid sars 2, even though especially now being apparent that there was no real good reason for that. It was just young people telling on their parents and teachers like under Mao. OP should've really taken a different topic to make their point. But currently I'm evaluating if discourse even makes any sense any more, and I have tried for many years to argue with these sort of people, only to be smugly gas lit or being made out to be the nazi for arguing meritocracy. Or whether I, even as a non religious person, simply should accept the demonic possession people like the kid who shot Kirk and all those who are currently running damage control for him and "their side" the past days since it happened and focus on political solutions to expulse them from society, lock them all away in institutions forever, and the thing is that I realized when seeing people fiercely defend this, that I lost the last bit of care for them that I didn't even knew I still had. And while this whole thing may have been staged by Israel, pic related, although this won't be in their interest in the long term, I'm talking about the western "left" here who have clearly become deranged and a threat to civilization, with little to no hope of them realizing that and causing improvement from within rather than doubling down once more. And I'm sick having to tippy-toe around them on eggshells because I know that these people gleefully would try to ruin my life at the slightest disagreement. This has been my reality for years. And seeing at least some of them losing their jobs feels justified, I hope much more of this will happen, and that they will forever lose access to broader society and the sane then can clean up their mess.

Ive read that his dad didn't even turn him in, but worriedly called a pastor or whatever the mormons call them and the pastor (a mandatory reporter) called it in.

>>27163 >But currently I'm evaluating if discourse even makes any sense any more, and I have tried for many years to argue with these sort of people, only to be smugly gas lit or being made out to be the nazi for arguing meritocracy. Never forget: the majority of people are blowing smoke and the few who actually have any impact on the world take freedom seriously. When you're set on doing things, you'll fight for options. People who don't care about personal freedom are inconsequential.

You would feel safe living with someone who will shoot an unarmed non-assailant for purely political reasons? And you think this is equivalent to your aunt being honest with hospital staff about a non-crime? There is a difference between turning in your family member for murder and turning them in for theft or violating a stupid law. Most people agree that murder should be punished, no matter who does it. >Ancestry DNA cold cases I agree that your DNA should never be given up, and I am constantly annoyed that my family members have chosen to do this, but the fact that a guy got caught for a murder because of it is the least problematic thing about it. >>27136 >I lost faith in humanity because of reddit posts my god, you people

>>27163 >But currently I'm evaluating if discourse even makes any sense any more, and I have tried for many years to argue with these sort of people, only to be smugly gas lit or being made out to be the nazi for arguing meritocracy you probably are one

>>27167 if charlie kirk was a nazi then hell yes I'm a nazi too

>>27166 >You would feel safe living with someone who will shoot an unarmed non-assailant for purely political reasons? If you wouldn't kill whoever you must for your beliefs then you lack conviction and will.

All this is imo a promising development for non-retarded left to branch out of State-produced version of "leftism" into something that is both anti-woke and anti-nazi. Arbitrary partition of US politricks into two opposing camps is honestly tiresome and fake as fvck.

>>27166 >You would feel safe living with someone who will shoot an unarmed non-assailant for purely political reasons? This is the norm in human society

>>27171 Maybe it's just Deep State realizing their current iteration of left is retarded and pushing actual non-braindead lefties to the right, so they decided to take it down and build something else. So it's more likely going to be a push to preserve bipartite politicks from collapsing into unipolar.

>>27167 >they said snarkily like so many ideologically possessed and pathologically nihilistic people like this tend to do I am the one who is for having a conversation, is for live and let live, meanwhile the group that eagerly calls everyone merely disagreeing with them a nazi wants me and other just regular people dead. And when they do, they cheer and dance in their boundless derangement. I don't think you know, nor care what that word means, nor does it have the effect any more that you think it has, as evident by >>27169 And I've grown very tired to even attempt to ask why you would think that I am since from experience I know I won't even get a sound answer and usually is just your way to mark the next victim for the rest of your death cult. >>27170 >If you wouldn't kill whoever you must Personally wasn't a fan or follower of his but why exactly must you kill someone like Charlie Kirk? The guy who preferred talking over violence, objectively was a decent person? Why kill who essentially tried to be a political ambassador? What deranged misfiring in your brain makes you think that was in any way necessary? Or were you just trying to sound tough and edgy? Either way, I don't think your political cohort understands the damage that this, and especially the reaction to this has caused to your movement. I'm not a religious person but may god have mercy on both of you. >>27166 >my god, you people C'mon, give them some slack. Reddit is one of the most likely places to stare into the abyss of the human soul for the first time now days and realize that some people are simply just plain evil and far gone beyond any help. And that the people you were around for all that time would not hesitate for a moment to throw you under the bus over the slightest perception of heresy to their dogma that's increasingly getting more stringent and detached from reality by the day. >>27171 Depends what "anti-nazi" entails. So far it's just been anti regular and sane people, thus still making it a losing proposition going forward. But I agree, this is the exact and pressing moment for anyone on the "political left" to realize what company they're around and reflect on a thing or two. >>27173 But this would.. unite people? But granted, maybe even they realized they've over steered as a reaction to Occupy Wallst. back then. Pic related might muse your tinfoilhattery.

>>27175 >Depends what "anti-nazi" entails. Well since the actual fascists are actually in power, and they've got jackbooted thugs running around abducting 'illegals' and throwing them in concentration camps, it's pretty easy to point the finger at what an anti-nazi should be "anti-".

>>27169 Well, he was a fascist. A quick search at wikipedia provides the evidence for this. I know you may screech that "It's taken out of context", like many idiotic right wingers do, but it's not. You can easily look up the context of his quotes. When you observe the context, it's just him elaborating on or leading up to his inflammatory quote, in slightly-less vitriolic fashion. Not all fascists are Nazis but all Nazis are fascists. Either way, this matters little, as fascism is a poison to humanity. It's responsible for an ongoing genocide in Palestine right now which has killed at least 180,000 people according to official statistics, probably almost double that number though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk#Political_positions_and_activities Kirk promoted the "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory, which is the modern version of the Nazis' Kulturbolschewismus. This is a conspiracy theory which always leads to antisemitism. >In 2022, Kirk called the separation of Church and state in the United States a "fabrication".[42] In 2024, he said, "One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government, and they're incompatible. You cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population."[127] Appearing at a Trump campaign rally in the same year, he said: "This is a Christian state. I'd like to see it stay that way."[95] By 2024 Kirk's shift to Christian nationalism exemplified its growing approval by the Republican Party under Trump.[ This also isn't inherently fascistic, but Christianity and religion have been exploited by fascist regimes, such as the Nazis. He promoted the great replacement theory, which is another Nazi idea. >In 2023, he said, "prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people" in urban America.[163] In 2024, Kirk said, "The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different,"[163] and added, "The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white."[163] Also that year Kirk posted, "The 'Great Replacement' is not a theory, it's a reality", alongside a Fox News headline that read, "7.2M illegals entered the U.S. under Biden admin[istration], an amount greater than population of 36 states." >At a 2023 event at Missouri State University, Kirk said that immigration to the United States should be completely stopped.[130] In the lead-up to the 2024 presidential election, Kirk promoted the false claim that Haitians in Springfield, Ohio, were eating residents' pets and other wildlife.[198][199] Kirk called for the use of force against migrants at the U.S.–Mexico border, including the use of tear gas, rubber bullets and whips. Kirk said that migrants were "bringing force upon themselves" by "invading" the country. In justifying this use of force, Kirk promoted false claims of disproportionate criminality among migrants, saying: "Those are the men that will go into your communities and break into your homes and rape your women, take your children. But, hey, they're -- they're dreamers." >Kirk praised Martin Luther King Jr. prior to December 2023, variously calling him a "hero" and a "civil rights icon". That December, he used a speech at AmericaFest to describe him as "awful ... not a good person" and as someone who is admired only because he said "one thing he didn't actually believe". The speech also saw Kirk condemn the Civil Rights Act of 1964, calling its passage a "huge mistake" and alleging that it had created a "permanent DEI-type bureaucracy". Kirk called the legal apparatus of the Civil Rights Act an "anti-white weapon". >Also in January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"[176][177][178] He had previously expressed opposition to DEI programs, describing them as "anti-White".[179][better source needed] NBC News further reported that Kirk's comments about DEI programs and his comment about Black or African American airline pilots resulted in ongoing conflict with the Republican National Committee over outreach to Black voters.[52] Kirk called Ketanji Brown Jackson a "recipient of Affirmative Action" and said she was nominated for the Supreme Court because of her race.[180] Kirk blamed the high death toll of the July 2025 Central Texas floods on DEI.[181] On September 9, 2025, while speaking about the killing of Iryna Zarutska, an unprovoked killing of a Ukrainian refugee woman in Charlotte, North Carolina, Kirk accused Democrats of spreading a "false narrative" that "that there is a relentless assault against Black people on behalf of white people",[182] saying "White individuals are actually more likely to be attacked, especially even per capita, by Black individuals in this country." >Kirk believed in the superiority of the Western world, to which he credits the role of Christianity in civilization for. In a 2023 speech, he said that "all men are created equal in the eyes of God, all men and women, but not all cultures are created equal. To say that, you get attacked in every direction, but excuse me when I say that Western civilization is the best that humanity has produced. It's an outgrowth of the Bible." This also isn't inherently fascistic, expansionist-colonialists do this as well. It does ultimately legitimize the genocide that western civilization is built upon, and the subsequent indignities it produces which have persisted to this day. >In 2025, he wrote that "Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America."[194] Following the victory of Zohran Mamdani in the 2025 New York City Democratic mayoral primary, Kirk posted that "24 years ago a group of Muslims killed 2,753 people on 9/11. Now a Muslim Socialist is on pace to run New York City." Liberal Fox News commentator Jessica Tarlov asked Kirk to take down the "gross and Islamophobic" post.[195] In a separate post, Kirk argued that "It's not Islamophobia to notice that Muslims want to import values into the West that seek to destabilize our civilization."[ He started Professor Watchlist, which was a nationwide network used to identify, harass, and intimidate college professors promoting left-wing ideas that Kirk and his followers disliked. So much for the free speech advocate myth. This, if you know anything about history, is again, a classic fascist trope. He said that gay people should be stoned to death. He called for televised public executions, which should be viewed by children as a learning experience. He said black women don't have the cognitive ability to assume positions of authority. Ultimately, nothing is inherently fascistic, as fascism is a suite of political characteristics, which is something many right-wingers don't understand because they're uneducated and ignorant. Charlie Kirk embodied fascism with the bulk of it's characteristics. He promoted authoritarianism and militarism, by supporting the use of the military against protesters, by supporting having a secret police round up random people throughout the country to deport them, and send them off to concentration camps. He promoted white supremacy and white nationalism, holding "white" culture above other cultures, advocating for white people to maintain majority control over positions of power, and remain the majority population. He promoted paranoia and scapegoating. Muslims are secret terrorists or terrorist supporters. They want to destroy our country. Black and brown people are going around attacking white people; they disproportionately attack white people. Fatherlessness is the root of crime in black communities, which makes the disenfranchisement of black people a moral failing, justifying further persecution. Migrants are vicious. The failures of the government are due to DEI, incompetent non-white people taking up positions in governance, and fuarrrking up at their jobs. They're also due to non-white people and other minorities taking government welfare while also stealing all the jobs and housing. Leftists are seeking to destroy the country by justifying the actions of malignant non-white people and promoting them. Leftism is being financed by jewish oligarchs, to promote ideas at colleges/universities which do not fault non-white people for the fact that society is failing, but instead fault things like capitalism. What was missing from the checklist was the populism. The use of the government to promote populistic policies. The current regime also is missing this. I think it will probably lead to a populistic fascist regime coming to power eventually, I don't see people as being able to live under these economic conditions much longer. What made him morally wrong, and everyone with similar beliefs morally wrong, is that these beliefs are not based in reality and can be empirically disproven. The ideas are used to malicious ends. To shape society around some perverse, phony ideal, in order to yield great power to the people running the government and to oligarchs.

>>27178 The body was too long, so I'll split it in two. >>27175 >I am the one who is for having a conversation, is for live and let live, meanwhile the group that eagerly calls everyone merely disagreeing with them a nazi wants me and other just regular people dead. And when they do, they cheer and dance in their boundless derangement. You're being melodramatic. If you search social media, you can always easily find people like this on any part of the political spectrum. A better place to look, to gauge actual stances, is the media. What is there to be seen whenever there's political violence in America, perpetrated by right wingers? What do you see in right-wing media spaces? Nothing. Very little coverage. Always downplaying of the issue. Very little concern from the right-wing politicians and media figures. But then, the one time it happens to the right wingers, without even knowing anything about the perpetrator, they spring into action, and seize upon the opportunity in order to expand their authoritarian project to persecute left-wing political figures. They're doing this because they're fascists. Their long-running myth is that it's actually the political left that is violent, which is completely at odds with reality. In recent history, it's always been right wingers who are responsible for the bulk of politically-charged assassinations, and it's often people with right-wing tendencies who commit acts of terror, and who engage in senseless mass killings. It's the right-wing who promote ideas that lead people to commit these assassinations and acts of terror as well. Fascists always play the victim. >I don't think you know, nor care what that word means, nor does it have the effect any more that you think it has, as evident by >>27169 This is always so funny to me. I've seen lots of white people do this in recent years with the term racist. "I don't care if you call me racist, in fact, you calling me racist is just going to make me racist. Your word has no power anymore". The word is being used in the appropriate fashion, or it is being used analogously, making it more or less appropriate. Someone is calling you a nazi, when they really mean you are "like" a Nazi. Big deal. If you can't handle that, if it triggers you so much that you decide to no longer hide your racism, or fascistic-tendencies, that's on you. It's not promoting violence to call you out for your violent behavior and ideology. Clutch your pearls some more. >The guy who preferred talking over violence, objectively was a decent person? If you think he was a decent person, you either know very little about him, or you are some fascistic dolt. Unlike you, I actually followed him off and on over the years. He didn't prefer talking. He had his debate format that he used to essentially farm college kids in order to spread right-wing propaganda. He'd go onto a college campus, and debate some college kids, who typically weren't equipped to be arguing against him, since he's got his binder full of factoids, and they have nothing. He'd argue them, make them look foolish, and justify this by saying they shouldn't come to debate him unprepared, despite the inherently inflammatory presence he would make, which would naturally upset people and make them come argue him. He would hijack issues like the unaffordability of living in America, or the unaffordability of getting an education, or of healthcare, or job-scarcity, in order to promote false solutions to the kids he was debating, and to his viewers. He'd edit his videos to remove instances of people beating him in debates, which did occur now and then. He was a Steven Crowder clone in my eyes, only a more productive, successful version of him.

>>27178 >>27179 None of this provides any reason why he should have been shot. ACAB, "up against the wall", etc. are stupid slogans, you're insane if you think they're actually good advice. Also the shooter was a grouper that was mad Kirk wasn't enough of a fascist.

>>27180 I'm not defending him being killed, I don't think he should've been.

>>27178 >What made him morally wrong, and everyone with similar beliefs morally wrong, is that these beliefs are not based in reality and can be empirically disproven. >it is morally wrong to have moral positions that cannot be empirically disproven What do you mean by this ? I'm going to assume you mean that he's just making moral assertions and rolling with it and cannot be attacked for them because they're unfalsifiable, can you prove your moral positions 'empirically'?

>>27183 A lot of the positions he listed aren't moral positions per se. Believing in a great replacement theory isn't a moral position, it's an empirical one. Believing that a hypothetical "great replacement" would be bad is a moral position. I think they're claiming to object to the former.

>>27180 killer is a gay trannychaser who called kirk a fascist

>>27183 I mean that they have a worldview which consists of what they think to be factual observations that are based in reality, which are not, and they use these to justify immoral acts. The morality (and immorality) of their actions hinges upon the veracity of their claims. For example, consider believing black people are inherently inferior: violent, lazy, unintelligent. Off of this, you then justify enslaving them, or persecuting them. Assuming that it was actually true that all black people were violent, evil dumb subhumans, then it might not be immoral to persecute them. It's not true though, it's false. So you'd be persecuting people who are humans just like everyone else, on the basis of their external characteristics; hair, skin, facial structure, height. Morality is subjective but I think most people subscribe to a general, somewhat objective sense of morality. Killing over physical characteristics to most people is absurdly evil. The morality of their actions, because they're fascists who only seek to destroy and not create, hinges upon the veracity of what motivates the actions. If they sought to lift people up, this wouldn't be an issue. If they were just like, "Let's give people affordable healthcare", we wouldn't really have this problem. I guess billionaires would be the out-group but who cares, nobody seeks to throw them into camps.

>>27185 >killer is a gay trannychaser Not incompatible with being extreme right, if true. >who called kirk a fascist yeah he also said we're gay if we read those shell casings. How serious do you think the other messages were?

>>27188 his boyfriend was on reddit exchristian forums complaining about christians. Not compatible with being a groyper. So we have a guy who's family said was pretty left leaning, who was gay and pro tranny, and whos boyfriend is ex christian and anti christian, who murders a prominent right wing activist right while he is talking about tranny shootings, who writes messages on his shell casings that are commie/glitterboy/antifa/internet gaymer troll coded, in a murder which somehow a bunch of lefty trannies seem to have known about before hand, a murder which horrifies everyone on the right but immediately wins the support of a huge number of leftists. I dont know it sounds to me like we have probably a hard right christo-fascist on our hands.

>>27189 >in a murder which somehow a bunch of lefty trannies seem to have known about before hand this is a new one. Source? >a murder which horrifies everyone on the right but immediately wins the support of a huge number of leftists. The reaction from other people does not imply motive. After all, giving the rulers an excuse to crack down on their political opposition (before they even knew who did it!) is in many ways great for them.

I had no idea who Charlie Kirk was so I looked him up on Wikipedia. Turns out he was some kind of Trump propagandist. Trump conservatives have been preaching political hatred and violence for years now, leading to the serious injuries and murders of several politicians. It's pretty ironic to see them whining and screeching like a bunch of pussies when the same thing happens to them. You start trouble, you get trouble.

>>27191 At least you guys aren't using 'rational' wiki. But when it comes to anything and anyone who opposes this brain dead 'progressive' hegemony, it's like someone gets paid to edit 'far-right' into every article. Either way, low value post. >>27178 >>27177 I hope you're the same person because these posts are genuinely unhinged and we don't need more of you people. >but Christianity and religion have been exploited by fascist regimes, such as the Nazis. Just like bread and water like I had earlier for breakfast, I must be Hitler then. >Well since the actual fascists are actually in power, and they've got jackbooted thugs running around abducting 'illegals' and throwing them in concentration camps, Do you understand that none of it was necessary but now it is? Granted, the driving motivator behind mass immigration is to have slave labor to the 'capitalist class' and debase the local population. The idiocy of the position you hold is what helps to brown beat any reasonable opposition to this. It's a very idealistic stance that you just refuse to acknowledge is clashing with reality, where if you let in a great number of people unvetted, you also inevitably invite a lot of problems, and at some point those problems become so pressing and urgent that when the dominant political sentiment shifts, drastic and non-discriminatory action is taken. All those 'good migrants' end up suffering the aftermath of those prior overly-permissive policies just as well. Do you people really not get this? I'm an immigrant too for instance and the last thing I need here is anti-immigrant sentiment. But the things that have been happening on this side of the pond are so much worse that we may in fact get another Hitler as a response. Actual fascism, actual nazism, for real this time, and all I will see you idiots do is pout and wonder 'how could dis habben?' all while I was warning about this for years. And because you fools kept calling anything and everyone nazi, few seem to actually care any more. And those who still do are either just as deranged and are afraid of their own shadows or still think they can keep weaponizing these words. Have you ever read the story of the boy who cried wolf? Same with DEI policies, if you don't hire by merit but by skin color and ethnicity then you affirm a negative stereotype for the people who had to pass a lower bar where then obviously you end up with people of a certain pattern being frequently less qualified. And you also add a racial component to the resent when others in turn get rejected. In short these policies make people racist even if they themselves don't want to be that. But the smarter people who push that know that it hinders worker unions from forming. Because how can you cooperate with and trust someone when both of you have been systematically set up to hate each other? So in a sense DEI works for Amazon's warehouses just fine. But it's like there's nobody on 'the left' with a voice who is capable of second order thinking, and could go, wait a minute folx, is what we doing even working? Does it even make sense for the purposes that we claim we do it for? Other than that you just appear as a try hard who overblows a bunch of real issues to make them seem 'nazi' and fit a bunch of square pegs into your failing world view. All while you try to downplay, demean and tell me that I'm being 'melodramatic' about my own lived experiences, despite not even knowing what those are and try to gas light me into believing these don't matter. This is not how you will win over people. Especially not any more. >b..but what about when they do it?! Whenever the perpetrator is white, let alone christian or republican then I never hear the end of it. I have to endure idiots like you on a professional basis, I do see both ends of the news, and while sure I don't like being around those 'stupid angry white conservative folks' I also see the trucks of peace, the endless wave of stabbings, robberies and rapes, public places having become much less safe even during the day. And I'm telling you, a majority of people just want to be safe, and they will elect whoever promises that, let alone can deliver on it after the policies of supposed empathy and altruism that people like you are pushing, inevitably fail spectacularly. >and debate some college kids, who typically weren't equipped Then they've been wasting their money on that college. >He didn't prefer talking. He had his debate format And your side's format is to 'punch nazis' and assassination when you can't string a coherent sentence together in response? And yes, doesn't matter if the shooter really was a trans furry. Or like someone here rumored, a groyper, although I don't think so. But even if the real shooter was a deep state or mossad operative, what really mattered was the reaction to this. That a milquetoast conservative with whom maybe 30% of the US could identify with, and maybe 50-60% could get along with, getting gunned down is apparently seen as acceptable. At an otherwise peaceful event where people with opposing opinions could chime in to try to take their (figurative) shot at him. Just because you're too inept at straight debate doesn't mean he didn't provide an open forum of ideas, even if he obviously would defend his as best as he could. I have engaged enough with your political cohort in discussions and arguments and see why it must resort to dishonest word games, sophistry and outright attack and slander, some of which one can witness in your very posts. And that only on the off chance someone of your political affiliation actually dares to engage when it's over an arm's length. Consistently your side of the argument was the one that was the most toxic, the most hysteric, the least well-intented and least internally coherent. I've debated with many different people and 'your side' was consistently the worst to engage with. Even with legitimately deranged schizophrenics I didn't have as strong of a feeling that if I were to share too much about my self, I'd have people try to get at me personally simply over them having failed to come up with a good retort that one time. Whenever you can get away with it, you censor, you deplatform, you try to destroy people's lives and you even maim and kill over some stupid trivialities. That's your debate format. Also 'you' meaning your political position and movement. If you don't agree with that just ignore it or reflect on what it is that you're promoting. While I really tried to build a bridge myself and can see some of those ideas work in the right context, I'm frankly just sick and tired of people like you and feel the shadenfreude when you get to eat your own medicine for once even though I know it's wrong. But that's the game rules you've been pushing. Because the country isn't 30%-50% nazis. And if you think it is, you're the insane one. Lofty and abstract arguments really pass by the normal people but seeing someone publicly executed with whom many could identify or at least get along with, now your policies have lost appeal. Even the couple good ones if they're not pushed ad absurdum as you guys tend to do when feeling unopposed. I don't even know why I even bother to write all this, maybe just personal catharsis. In short, it's joever. Good luck.

>>27190 >new one actually I could have said it before you could say tyler robinson. Here's a screenshot of one, fwiw I did actually look at this page before the account was cleaned and saw the post. This was before they caught robinson and the timestamp did indicate this was posted in advance of the shooting and certainly appeared to be a lefty troony account. I've seen screenshots of others but this is the only one I personally saw. >the reaction from others does not imply motive. While I get what you're saying, if we're taking this as a political assassination, either the guy is completely out of touch with his own side or he's on the side that evidently wanted this to happen. Its one of several things that point to the guy being a lefty and not an exceptionally compelling argument on its own, but if the guy is not completely batshit then he should be well enough in touch with his political comrades to know how this would go over with them. Pending really solid evidence of something else the simplest explanation is that he was a lefty.

>he fell for the psyop https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/

>>27192 You made that post rambling to your own strawmen because you couldn't grapple with the substance of the posts you quoted, because reality is against you. >>but Christianity and religion have been exploited by fascist regimes, such as the Nazis. >Just like bread and water like I had earlier for breakfast, I must be Hitler then. Promoting a specific form of Christianity intended to create an antisemitic, religious movement is not remotely comparable to something like food and water, and you know it. The comparison isn't even coherent. You need water to live. You need food to live. You don't need religion, especially some warped form of religion, to live. And you brought up sophistry in your post. The comparison implies you think that religiosity is necessary for society to function. I'm wondering, where's your evidence of problematic levels of migrants entering into the country unvetted, and causing significant harm? Where's your evidence of DEI being based solely upon skin color and having harmful societal effects? Your evidence is random anecdotes from social media, like the image you attached to your post. You don't have anything else, because the statistics are against you. Migrants are statistically much less likely to commit crime. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-myth-migrant-crime-wave >The research also shows that overall, immigrants have a similar or even lower likelihood of incarceration compared to native-born Americans, a trend that holds for immigrants from various source countries. For example, one study found that undocumented immigrants are 33 percent less likely to be incarcerated than people born in the United States. Indications of a negative relationship between immigration and crime also emerge when looking at conviction rates. In a Texas study, undocumented immigrants were found to be 47 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime in 2017 than native-born Americans. More recently, a study looked at census data over a 150-year period; since 1870, incarceration rates of immigrants are actually slightly lower than U.S.-born people and that gap widens in recent years with immigrants 60 percent less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31440/w31440.pdf immigrants 60% less likely to commit crime in recent years https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-incarceration-rates-2010-2023#methodology immigrants half as likely to be incarcerated https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf undocumented immigrants commit less crime https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w13229/w13229.pdf immigrants commit less crime https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1093/oep/gpz057 undocumented immigrants 33% less likely to be incarcerated Most DEI policies, like for workplaces, were set up to identify the most qualified people for a job from different social or ethnic groups. The Supreme Court ruled it to be unconstitutional to pass over qualified applicants from a majority group to favor a minority group. The idea that white people are being deprived of opportunity solely because of their race is false. It's treating employment and education as though it's a zero sum game, driven solely by racial competition. >>and debate some college kids, who typically weren't equipped >Then they've been wasting their money on that college. Studying STEM or something has nothing to do with debating some asshole who misrepresents statistics in a way where it's impossible to demonstrate how he's misrepresenting the statistics on the fly without being a political commentator who has memorized the context behind all of that stuff. It doesn't make college a waste of money, unless you think life is all about winning debates. As I said, his format was inherently inflammatory. It was designed to rile people up. Steven Crowder did the exact same thing. People need the time to look things up for themselves and analyze information. You don't get that in the verbal debate format. His debates were nothing but a trojan horse for right wing propaganda. >And your side's format is to 'punch nazis' and assassination when you can't string a coherent sentence together in response? Charlie Kirk had debates with political commentators who actually knew what they were talking about, and he performed poorly. Take his debate with Kyle Kulinski or Sam Seder. Regardless, verbal debate is the idiot's idea of intellectual discourse. It's why right wingers love it so much. Verbal debates are popularity contests. An hour-long debate made up of five minute increments where one person says one thing and the other person says some other things. At the end, the (probably uneducated) audience decides who won. The winner is the guy who sounds the smartest, which ultimately is determined by how eloquently you can speak and not the validity of your ideas. It's a spectacle. It's public entertainment. >That a milquetoast conservative with whom maybe 30% of the US could identify with, and maybe 50-60% could get along with, getting gunned down is apparently seen as acceptable If you really view him as milquetoste, you are on the extremes of the right wing. So don't cry about being called out for what you are. I guess you will keep crying over it though, since fascists can only ever play the victim. None of what's happening right now is necessary. People are upset because they hardly earn enough to live, they pay extremely high rent and utilities, buying a house is prohibitively expensive, pursuing higher-education is prohibitively expensive, healthcare is virtually unaffordable and having any serious health issue may kill or bankrupt you. Right wingers have chosen to blame brown people, black people, and trans people for all of this, to distract from the root cause which are corporations and oligarchs hoarding wealth and driving up prices. Democrats chose to give us more neoliberal slop. A third of Americans seemingly weren't compelled by either side, seeing as they didn't vote. Ultimately, republicans won out on the vote. Our deeply-embedded racism and the myths we tell ourselves about achieving economic success in America were probably the operative factors. Going after all of those minority groups obviously made sense to republican voters. Somehow, republican voters were still dumb enough to think that cons like tax breaks could help them succeed economically, and didn't learn from Trump's first term.

>>27192 You made that post rambling to your own strawmen because you couldn't grapple with the substance of the posts you quoted, because reality is against you. >>but Christianity and religion have been exploited by fascist regimes, such as the Nazis. >Just like bread and water like I had earlier for breakfast, I must be Hitler then. Promoting a specific form of Christianity intended to create an antisemitic, religious movement is not remotely comparable to something like food and water, and you know it. The comparison isn't even coherent. You need water to live. You need food to live. You don't need religion, especially some warped form of religion, to live. And you brought up sophistry in your post. The comparison implies that you think that religiosity is necessary for society to function. I'm wondering, where's your evidence of problematic levels of migrants entering into the country unvetted, and causing significant harm? Where's your evidence of DEI being based solely upon skin color and having harmful societal effects? Your evidence is random anecdotes from social media, like the image you attached to your post. You don't have anything else, because the statistics are against you. Migrants are statistically much less likely to commit crime. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-myth-migrant-crime-wave >The research also shows that overall, immigrants have a similar or even lower likelihood of incarceration compared to native-born Americans, a trend that holds for immigrants from various source countries. For example, one study found that undocumented immigrants are 33 percent less likely to be incarcerated than people born in the United States. Indications of a negative relationship between immigration and crime also emerge when looking at conviction rates. In a Texas study, undocumented immigrants were found to be 47 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime in 2017 than native-born Americans. More recently, a study looked at census data over a 150-year period; since 1870, incarceration rates of immigrants are actually slightly lower than U.S.-born people and that gap widens in recent years with immigrants 60 percent less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31440/w31440.pdf immigrants 60% less likely to commit crime in recent years https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-incarceration-rates-2010-2023#methodology immigrants half as likely to be incarcerated https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf undocumented immigrants commit less crime https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w13229/w13229.pdf immigrants commit less crime https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1093/oep/gpz057 undocumented immigrants 33% less likely to be incarcerated Most DEI policies, like for workplaces, were set up to identify the most qualified people for a job from different social or ethnic groups. The Supreme Court ruled it to be unconstitutional to pass over qualified applicants from a majority group to favor a minority group. The idea that white people are being deprived of opportunity solely because of their race is false. It's treating employment and education as though it's a zero sum game, driven solely by racial competition. >>and debate some college kids, who typically weren't equipped >Then they've been wasting their money on that college. Studying STEM or something has nothing to do with debating some asshole who misrepresents statistics in a way where it's impossible to demonstrate how he's misrepresenting the statistics on the fly without being a political commentator who has memorized the context behind all of that stuff. It doesn't make college a waste of money, unless you think life is all about winning debates. As I said, his format was inherently inflammatory. It was designed to rile people up. Steven Crowder did the exact same thing. People need the time to look things up for themselves and analyze information. You don't get that in the verbal debate format. His debates were nothing but a trojan horse for right wing propaganda. >And your side's format is to 'punch nazis' and assassination when you can't string a coherent sentence together in response? Charlie Kirk had debates with political commentators who actually knew what they were talking about, and he performed poorly. Take his debate with Kyle Kulinski or Sam Seder. Regardless, verbal debate is the idiot's idea of intellectual discourse. It's why right wingers love it so much. Verbal debates are popularity contests. An hour-long debate made up of five minute increments where one person says one thing and the other person says some other things. At the end, the (probably uneducated) audience decides who won. The winner is the guy who sounds the smartest, which ultimately is determined by how eloquently you can speak and not the validity of your ideas. It's a spectacle. It's public entertainment. >That a milquetoast conservative with whom maybe 30% of the US could identify with, and maybe 50-60% could get along with, getting gunned down is apparently seen as acceptable If you really view him as milquetoste, you are on the extremes of the right wing. So don't cry about being called out for what you are. I guess you will keep crying over it though, since fascists can only ever play the victim. None of what's happening right now is necessary. People are upset because they hardly earn enough to live, they pay extremely high rent and utilities, buying a house is prohibitively expensive, pursuing higher-education is prohibitively expensive, healthcare is virtually unaffordable and having any serious health issue may kill or bankrupt you. Right wingers have chosen to blame brown people, black people, and trans people for all of this, to distract from the root cause which are corporations and oligarchs hoarding wealth and driving up prices. Democrats chose to give us more neoliberal slop. A third of Americans seemingly weren't compelled by either side, seeing as they didn't vote. Ultimately, republicans won out on the vote. Our deeply-embedded racism and the myths we tell ourselves about achieving economic success in America were probably the operative factors. Going after all of those minority groups obviously made sense to republican voters. Somehow, republican voters were still dumb enough to think that cons like tax breaks could help them succeed economically, and didn't learn from Trump's first term.

>>27197 >>27196 >>27192 guys if we keep going down this its just going to turn into american politics general and thats probably going to get the thread derezzed. can we try to keep a little more on topic ? IDK what the mods think I'm honestly a little surprised this thread is still up by the way I saw the apparent boyfriend allegedly maybe posted on reddit including r/lain and also r/4chan so who knows maybe he came around here too. anyone know a lance twiggs who maybe went by lancelott3 ?

>>27194 found this by reverse image search too, lots of weird fuarrrking posts. Points to some kind of league of morons I guess? https://freebeacon.com/politics/exclusive-fbi-investigating-social-media-accounts-that-appeared-to-indicate-foreknowledge-of-kirk-assassination/ >or he's on the side that evidently wanted this to happen As much as I've seen people saying Donald Trump should be assassinated, the main reaction I see among lefties is fear about the reaction. Maybe I'm out of touch with twitter lefties, though. >Pending really solid evidence of something else the simplest explanation is that he was a lefty. This is true.

>>27192 >I hope you're the same person It's not >All those 'good migrants' end up suffering the aftermath of those prior overly-permissive policies just as well. Do you people really not get this? Immigration policy should be changed. This has literally nothing to do with I.C.E.'s activities. The fact of the matter is that they are secret police, they do "policing" with zero due process, and their "detainment facilities" are literally concentration camps. Oh, and the supreme court said the other day that being a working-class Mexican is "reasonable suspicion" for being an illegal immigrant, and multiple people have had their documentation stolen by them. >Actual fascism, actual nazism, for real this time That is what we are currently getting. Notice how all three branches of government are controlled by a single party and the president is literally above the law?

I can't say if I was his father I would have turned him in, but his son took part in a political assassination. And I don't think any of you care about family. Honestly, it's just because you think Charlie Kirk is a nazi that you want to paint it as some great betrayal. I don't get why someone would throw their life away to kill Charlie Kirk of all people. The only issues I think he was really "far right" on were abortion and gay marriage, but those were normal political positions like 20 years ago. A certain variety of leftists online love to throw around the f-word, but it's getting silly and in the year of our lord 2025 nobody really takes that accusation seriously. I still hear people say the term "alt-right". Lol. I do think the reaction to his death by conservatives has been melodramatic though. We don't need to all make vigils. I don't think anybody should be fired for their job because they made ragebait online about Charlie Kirk.

>>27198 To be fair, I'm also bringing up euro politics and man, things are so much worse here. While you guys "only" have to deal with cartels and human traffickers taking advantage of the lax border policies, we're instead opened the gates to the neo ottoman empire. And since the current rulership of globalists is not sustainable even with AI powered surveillance and police state, it's either going to turn into the european caliphate or the 4th reich. Then you'll see some real fascism, and I as a classical liberal minded immigrant am greatly concerned about either prospects. But about the topic I do agree with the general sentiment of families sticking together for the most part but OP really picked the worst topic and example to make their point. >>27202 >nobody really takes that accusation seriously But the thing is that these are just terms that are the left's equivalent of "heretics" and it helps them to psychologically justify violence and murder against anyone who disagrees even just slightly. Even if you can agree with many of their positions at least to some extend, like I do, don't forget they want you dead and they will post silly tiktoks celebrating when you do. These people have lost the plot, have radicalized themselves to the point of demonic possession, will try to destroy anyone who questions their cult's dogma by any means necessary, and they will happily vandalize your grave in celebration. We're truly facing a mental health crisis. >>27201 >The agency for Immigration and Customs Enforcement has literally nothing to do with immigration policy Are you hearing yourself? >actual fascism is what we are currently getting But we haven't even started to sink those boats yet? >all three branches of government are controlled by a single party I doubt you'd be complaining if it was instead all dems or something. But it's also the lunacy and failure of the left that ended up giving Trump and the america first movement this mandate. Something you might want to reflect on. >>27196 Granted, I let too much of my personal emotion and frustration seep through in my last post. But it's funny, despite how abstract, idealistic, wish-thinking oriented and detached from reality left wing philosophy is, the means by which its proponents try to achieve it and usher it in is by the most blatantly machiavellian means they can muster. To the point it becomes self defeating since the dishonesty and malice in some of their acts and arguments is so apparent that one is left to wonder if they should take anything else those people say or do at face value. So if you actually want to appeal to people, even just those who could find some common ground with you, like I could, you need to be aware of and remedy that, instead of villanizing, trying to destroy and cheering on the death of people that half of the country agrees with. And sure you may make the point that they just don't know "what's best for them" but your side has shown to not be in the appropriate mental state to make decisions for others. Especially since the results from the times you did were damning, to put it politely. >Studying STEM or something has nothing to do with debating some asshole You still make it sound like he was ambushing defenseless kids in a dark alley with a pile of factoid binders and forced them to some absurd political pop quiz or die. Even though the students, especially the STEM ones, should have been smart and logical enough to either prepare their debate topics and facts beforehand. Or if they didn't or didn't feel up to the challenge, that they'd realize that the best move in that game would be to not play and avoid getting farmed for content. The best thing you could've done is to simply not engage him, that's it. Just walk by instead of forming a crowd. Instead you contributed to all those destroyed with facts n' logic compilations and created a martyr. Good job, doofus! And in your desperation to turn that point around you now seem to argue that hyperfixation of competency is to be expected even in higher ed. Something that Noam Chomsky warned us about. Also I now wonder what your thoughts are on Marcuse's "one dimensional man". That is if you have any. >verbal debate is the idiot's idea of intellectual discourse As opposed to what? Throwing around links to each other's think tank's articles where they cherry pick data in a way that confirms their world view? Sure, you will get all sorts of sophistry in a live debate and verbal prowess compensates for the soundness of one's ideas but you're trying to make the point that european capitals haven't seen fatal knife attacks and child rape skyrocketing in the past decade. And even if we just go back to the US side of the argument, even those "nice illegal immigrants" are not paying taxes, are they? And while I have issues with taxation, I also can see how the local population and legal immigrants who still have to pay their tax would get heavily frustrated with that situation and would like to see it resolved, be it by voting for someone like Trump. >Most DEI policies, like for workplaces, were set up to Intent doesn't matter, only the outcome of a policy. And if you select for anything other than qualification then you will tend to put less qualified people into job positions while dismissing more qualified ones. It's really that simple. >Promoting a specific form of Christianity intended to create an antisemitic But Kirk was advocating for Israel's interests hard. Well, at least up until very recently where he seems to have started questioning what they were doing. >If you really view him as milquetoste, you are on the extremes of the right wing Maybe in the eyes of someone like you who's on the extremes of the left wing. But this whole left vs right dichotomy is also really just a short hand between "my camp and the enemy camp" at this point. I am for personal liberty and not having mercy for the criminal come at the expense of their victims. While you seem to argue the opposite, and in bad faith too. >because reality is against you. I suppose time will tell. I even hope you're right but since I can differentiate between how I wish things to be and how things actually are, I have good reason to believe we're currently driving off a cliff here while the crazy person is holding onto the wheel. None of this was necessary but increasingly becomes inevitable.

>>27148 >There is ain't no "non-clanic" society. Every society is enslaved by a state ruled by mafia clans, you hypocrite. If you really think otherwise - you are just brainwashed. I know you're probably a retarded pole or something like that (from how you speak english), but modern western european societies are really divided and nobody would bat an eye for their people.

>>27142 >religious matter >power is divine >government is divine What religion is this? Before you say Christianity, It was moses who took people out of Egypt which was ruled under a powerful governing body. That scripture alone shows not all power (There are different forms of power too , just as there is many words for love in hebrew ) is divine under eyes of Christianity.

>>27208 >So if you actually want to appeal to people, even just those who could find some common ground with you, like I could, you need to be aware of and remedy that, instead of villanizing, trying to destroy and cheering on the death of people that half of the country agrees with We're on an imageboard, I'm not beholden to find some common ground with a random anonymous person on the internet, especially given imageboard culture. From your first post I saw that you're a stooge who has already made up their mind about the issues they wish to discuss. You're still babbling about people cheering on a person's demise. I can point to right wingers doing this, but I won't because it's not entirely relevant. If you want to talk statistics, we can talk about how right wingers are way more violent. That's much more tangible than random posts online, which are fed to us through algorithms designed to play upon our biases. >As opposed to what? Throwing around links to each other's think tank's articles where they cherry pick data in a way that confirms their world view? I sent you a link to an article which gives an overview of the situation, then I sent some papers you can find through that article, and papers I found on my own. To be clear, that is what I expect. I expect an actual evidence-based discussion. That's how many academic debates occur. They occur in the form of correspondence between professionals, often playing out over a very long duration of time, as research is conducted, until the most tenable stance wins out on the basis of its evidence. That is how you actually formulate an understanding of reality. Playing word games in a verbal debate doesn't lead you there. It doesn't surprise me that you cannot debate me on merit, it is impossible for right wingers to do this because their beliefs don't hold up under scrutiny. I can give you evidence, you'll ignore it. All right wingers do this. A perfect example is idiots who believe in "race science". They send you a screenshot from a study that supposedly proves that race is not more than skin deep, because human genes relating to neurology differ by race more than genes for pigmentation. Meanwhile, because they're idiots who don't understand how to read a study, the screenshot literally proves the exact opposite — that pigmentation genes differ by race more than neurologic genes. You point this out to them, and they ignore it. Because you have already made up your mind about the nature of the world, you've written off any contrary evidence as being from a biased think tank. As though any discourse depending upon statistical data will always be a battle of biased think tanks. It's a false dichotomy. These are scientists performing statistical research, an accusation of fraud is a very serious charge. They're just trying to form an understanding of America, they don't have a personal desire to fabricate their own truth. Simply scrutinizing a study to see if it holds up will show whether data might've been falsified. Right wingers have to discredit contrary evidence because they cannot win by intellectual merit. They have to invent things like a jewish conspiracy, so that they can falsify evidence they dislike. It ultimately changes nothing. Look at what's happening with RFK Jr. right now. He hijacked our health agencies by alleging a rampant conspiracy of scientists seeking to push dangerous pharmaceuticals. He could not win through intellectual merit, because he's wrong. Now he wants to force health agencies to accept his pseudoscience. He can't get them to do this through academic debate, because he's fundamentally wrong. They'll probably capitulate eventually, and there will be disastrous effects. >but you're trying to make the point that european capitals haven't seen fatal knife attacks and child rape skyrocketing in the past decade. I'm not talking about Europe, I'm talking about America. Europe may be seeing a rise in crime. Is the solution to that fascism then? That's always how it is with you people. You never actually emotionally detach yourself from a situation, and thoroughly observe a large body of evidence to try to create a measured response to an issue (or a perceived issue). It's always jumping to some extreme. I can see your inability to detach yourself emotionally with the whole debate format Charlie Kirk ran against college students. You get caught up in the personal duty of the people involved in the debate, which is really only a sideshow. Their personal duty is of little interest to me. Is it wise to go up and debate a malicious person while acting upon impulse? No. But it's irrelevant, because human nature compels people to do things like this. I understand this, and people like Charlie Kirk understand this. Out of a large crowd of people who feel frustrated because of the state of the world, many will go up to argue with a person who is actively provoking them with facts that do not seem to accurately describe the causes of our economic situation, but they aren't equipped for the task. In this situation, what did Charlie Kirk use his debates with people for? Did he use them to lift people up, or to disenfranchise them? He used them to disenfranchise people. He had his debates with people, and used them to spread propaganda, which ultimately contributed to Trump winning the election after he convinced many young people to vote for Trump. That's the bottom line for me. It doesn't matter if people shouldn't be going up to speak with him or not, because at the end of the day, many people are going to, and he is using this sociological phenomenon to malicious ends. He is the real evildoer here, not the random students. I want you to explain to me how college students going to debate some asshole justifies a fascist government coming to power to crack down on free speech at universities, to round up countless people and deport them with secret police, cut foreign aid programs — which will kill millions, defund healthcare — which will kill millions, designate drug traffickers as foreign terrorists in order to expand our already massive surveillance apparatus and expand the war on terror to South America, and so forth. Please let me know. >even if we just go back to the US side of the argument, even those "nice illegal immigrants" are not paying taxes, are they? You don't know what you're talking about, as usual. They do pay taxes, and they pay into social security as well. They need to have a SSN in order to work a job. Getting one is easy, you just bribe a person at the social security office to make one for you. If undocumented workers don't pay taxes, the federal government will find out that their employer is not chipping in the appropriate amount of taxes and launch an investigation and then the whole business comes down. These immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes to the country, which they don't even get to benefit from since they're not citizens. Like with social security. They can never use social security, because they're not lawful residents/citizens. Instead, people with legal status enjoy their money. To the immigrants, it's just the price you pay to have the opportunity to be in the US. This was one of the many lies told by Trump's administration: that the immigrants don't have to pay taxes and also live off welfare, and commit social security fraud. None of it was true. Elon Musk and his goons released their "evidence" of the immigrant social security fraud months ago, which showed that it was all made up.

>>27211 >>27208 >Intent doesn't matter, only the outcome of a policy. And if you select for anything other than qualification then you will tend to put less qualified people into job positions while dismissing more qualified ones. It's really that simple. You're talking past what I'm saying, I just told you that they specifically looked for the best people for the job from a given ethnic background. Unqualified people aren't hired, and as I said, I've yet to see the widespread disastrous effects on society of DEI, in the sense of it literally causing systems we have running to fall apart. The best you have is right wingers trying to stoke racial tensions by telling white Americans that the reason they're disenfranchised is because some black woman took their job. Dysfunction in the sense of white hegemony being dismantled. Again, another lie told by politicians in pursuit of power. >But Kirk was advocating for Israel's interests hard. Zionism and pro/anti-semitism aren't the same thing. Being a zionist and an antisemite aren't mutually exclusive. Take as an example white nationalists who admire Israel's fascism, and appreciate how it encourages jews to accumulate all in one area, away from their countries. Look at Richard Spencer, the American neo-Nazi who used to advocate in favor of Israel as a jewish state on the basis of strategically separating jews from "western society". People like Charlie Kirk are religious fanatics who want all of the jews to return to Israel so that the rapture will happen. Once the rapture happens, the Lord returns and kills all of the sinners, jews included. They don't actually care about jews. They don't have some genuine interest in jewish culture. They don't care about the antisemitism. The Trump administration is full of antisemites. Trump himself is one. Politicians and oligarchs, some of whom are antisemites, also support Israel for how it destabilizes the Middle East and Central Asia. This allows them to continue stealing resources unabated. Charlie Kirk was a mouthpiece for said politicians and oligarchs. Israeli politicians work alongside these people because ultimately they cannot lose. They will receive resources from the US government, and any antisemitism in America produced by the state of Israel can cause American jews to support Israel more, or move to Israel. This can still backfire on them, and it probably will, but the Israeli politicians don't care because they're power hungry maniacs, they don't value the lives of jews at all. >Maybe in the eyes of someone like you who's on the extremes of the left wing Well if you think that his stances are normal, then fine, you are what you are and politicians like you need to be defeated, and people like you, assuming you want to be obstinate and cause problems for everyone else like by doing mass shootings, should also be defeated. >But this whole left vs right dichotomy is also really just a short hand between "my camp and the enemy camp" at this point Yes, because politics have reached a fever pitch. Fascists want to take power and exterminate undesirables, oligarchs who stand to earn great wealth from this are supporting them. People who truly, unwaveringly support this are my enemies. >I am for personal liberty and not having mercy for the criminal come at the expense of their victims. While you seem to argue the opposite, and in bad faith too. It doesn't surprise me that you think that way, most right wingers take basic gestures of humanity to people they view to be criminals, like homeless people or immigrants, as a personal affront, because they think that there aren't enough resources for things like welfare or healthcare for all citizens to enjoy them, so they advocate for taking away a minority group's access to them, and foolishly think that they'll then get access to those things. It never happens though. I wait for you to show me how I'm arguing in bad faith. So far it's just high-flung words you're throwing at me.

>>27210 The pharoh didn't even have power to make up his own mind letalone retain the israelites. his son was killed to make a point and it wasn't even a point for the pharoh, he was sort of just collateral damage.

>>27209 this atomization down to genetic relatives is on purpose. it's a trick they first applied in the USSR but works wonders to consolidate power. the state is still made of elite clans looking after their own and each other.

>>27212 >I have to be a disagreeable dickhead because "image board culture" demands this from me Pal, lainchan's rules explicitly tell you not to: lainchan.org/rules.html >you're a stooge who has already made up their mind I am not surprised you'd perceive anyone disagreeing with you as a stooge but after trying to talk sense with your sort for years, it's true that I've made up my mind on many issues by now. But by my surprise you did actually change my mind on the point about illegals paying taxes. I checked and aside of the obvious sales and payroll tax, many do also pay income tax and social security, even though they're ineligible to those benefits. Yet this doesn't resolve the issue that the capitalist class still wants their serf class, this includes the way H1B visas are exploited as well. Now you might say, just give them documents, and they could've received them legitimately by not "jumping the line" or committing bribery of gov officials or identity fraud or theft, but then you'd still increase competition for jobs which benefits the capitalists and also make people legible for benefits from a system they haven't paid in. But anyway, here's my admission that I can change my mind, I wonder if you're capable of the same. Or at the very least agree how making one exception, or two, or est. 20-40 mil. with a population of 300 something mil. could cause some tension, and why the people who've already been in that country would elect someone who would "crack down" on illegal immigration. This included about 55% of latino males and something like 20% of blacks from what I've heard. >You're still babbling about people cheering on a person's demise Because it reveals how morally bankrupt you and your political affiliation is. Seeing how gleeful people get over other's death or downplay the significance of the event even though OP brought it up really is telling and seems to make even this discussion fitting on /sec >which are fed to us through algorithms designed to play upon our biases. Which, and I wonder if you agree, you're subject to as well. "Manufactured Consent" is real and it's even much worse than that. Society and your social circles are such algorithms as well. Not just that everyone else is subjected to the media algorithms but they themselves propagate those algorithms to others, and even if you think yours are somehow too "underground" and immune to those, it's particularly the left which appears to be the most captured by their brand of propaganda and memetic viruses which have predated the internet. To the point you guys seem to live in a completely different reality to anyone else outside your bubble. I'm awfully aware of this and my own ability to be captured by such things but I also try to test the boundaries of my bubble by going on image boards for instance and try to get as many different takes as I can. But I do get suspicious when there's too much irregularity and bs from a source. I wonder if you do the same or are just here to be an extension of the algorithm that is possessing you. >They're just trying to form an understanding of America Great if that's true, but there's too many bad incentives and ideological capture even in academia right now it seems to me to trust that over my personal perception and experiences. And that you so underhandedly conflated illegal with legal immigration didn't really help either. >Europe may be seeing a rise in crime. Is the solution to that fascism then? So you agree on that at least. And no, the obvious solution is to stop the mass migration and two tier policing immediately, remigrate at least the new arrivals and especially criminals, enforce real accountability but you and I know this won't happen thus what I've outlined is what I see will happen, not what I want. I hope you understand the distinction. >but they aren't equipped for the task Again, someone studying a STEM subject should have the logical capacities which can and do extend into other areas. Besides, why aren't you doing that then? Or others who are much better equipped that share your views? Don't say you're afraid now after the recent precedent! >You're talking past what I'm saying, I just told you that they specifically looked for the best people for the job from a given ethnic background. Because frankly it was dumb argument. You get the most qualified people by ignoring their ethnic background altogether. Simple as! Hence I support "blind job applications". Whether whites or blacks are preferred, both is inherently non meritocratic. For example, and this you might find interesting, if you divide people into pools, say by ethnicity, who for the sake of the argument would all get an unbiased qualification score determined for each: [ [60, 78, 89, 92], [86, 91, 101], [66, 72, 98, 102] ] If you pick the best of each pool of applicants, you will overlook the person with 98 for the person with 92. Sure, still not that bad, but now if you need to pick 3 but only from one pool, no matter which you will have to scrape the barrel here. And even if you say that there's still going to be enough competent people hired to compensate for the much less competent hires, you will still create a situation where if someone knows they're being disadvantaged and got rejected, whether it was due to their performance or their ethnicity. Now you're seeding ethnic resent in people and wonder why "racism is on the rise" While the clear and much more fair solution is to flatten those pools into one sorted list and pick 102, 101 and 98. This is algorithmically provable, works without your weird added complexity and accounts for different distributions per hiring cycle. Now you can say that maybe the people in one pool were historically or socioeconomically disadvantaged, and you may be right, but the solution isn't to try to right one wrong with another wrong and hire people on a racial base while overlooking better suited ones. Instead it would be far better to provide disadvantaged people with means to catch up. But this all assumes that you do indeed have good intentions instead of just wanting to bar whites, and now also asians, from prestigious positions. And to dis-empower whites in a majority white country. Because I hope you can see why this might frustrate some of them. >Zionism and pro/anti-semitism aren't the same thing Oh, so he only supported the jewish state, not the jewish people? What's the difference? Especially when so many israelis are also zionists? >if you think that his stances are normal, then fine, you are what you are and politicians like you need to be defeated, and people like you, assuming you want to be obstinate and cause problems for everyone else [..], should also be defeated. That stance is normal for over 50% of the US voting population and you've declared all of them your mortal enemy. >like by doing mass shootings But I'm not trans. I mean I do enjoy these little back and forths but the elephant in the room can really not be overlooked now. You're telling me that I better forfeit my own judgement and just agree with you or be your enemy. And we've seen last week what happens to your enemies, be it just a peaceful event. The thing is, I do try to understand your points, even between all the belittlement, insults, vilification and plain unhinged hysteria and left schizo rambling. Some of the issues you brought up are even valid but your solutions are either terrible or nonexistent. I doubt you will change your mind or even reflect on your positions or that you will understand how what you're doing is alienating people even more, especially when they're already down. And now with the Charlie Kirk assassination even the good points your side will meet on deaf ears while people try to sort out the mess that the policies championed by the left have created, be it in very unpleasant but immediate ways. It looks like you've lost the zeitgeist on this and it's going to be a rough time forward for everyone. I wish we could have more level headed discussions without all this insanity and see eye to eye on some things at least. Because chances are that your intentions were good but now you don't even see how corrupted you are. It really didn't have to be like this. >>27214 A high IQ take in this kind of thread? Hard to believe! Say, do you think this mind virus, hijacking our empathy and need for equality and fairness, was released or seeded by one of those elite clans? Since from what I understand, these people can be very petty and go nuclear despite obviously having a good understanding of mass psychology to stay in power for so long. Or am I connecting the wrong dots here and we just messed ourselves up philosophically and spiritually all on accident? >>27133 But to properly answer OP just so this thread can live a bit longer, obviously be careful with anything that you share with people even if they're your relatives. Know what kind of person they are and if you do want to trust them with something, make sure how much loyalty they've got for you versus their TV or radio. And also don't go around murdering people.

>>27215 >Yet this doesn't resolve the issue that the capitalist class still wants their serf class, this includes the way H1B visas are exploited as well. Now you might say, just give them documents, and they could've received them legitimately by not "jumping the line" or committing bribery of gov officials or identity fraud or theft, but then you'd still increase competition for jobs which benefits the capitalists and also make people legible for benefits from a system they haven't paid in. You don't have to rely solely upon jobs to sustain people. You can tax oligarchs and corporations more to provide people with a UBI of sorts. You can also bring jobs back to America, instead of keeping them in countries where corporations can have workers work for almost nothing with virtually no rights. A lot of the unskilled labor, that is, jobs almost anyone can work after a few days of training, have been shipped abroad. A lot of the skilled labor, jobs that only people with a lot of experience or education can work, are here. But, a lot of these are taken over by immigrants. For agricultural work, those jobs are done by undocumented immigrants from Latin America, because those are the only people with the skill and physicality to work those jobs. Those people have been working on farms their whole lives. Most Americans are fat, lazy, and weak. You can watch interviews with white farmers from Texas and the south, where they flat out say that they get white people and other Americans who try to work out in the fields, and they all quit, because they're not physically and mentally up to the task. Americans simply won't work those jobs. Food is rotting in fields right now. The government now is complaining about foreigners taking over jobs requiring higher-education, as you mentioned in your post with H1B visas. That's the government's own fault. Americans are less qualified for those jobs. They're less qualified because they're less educated. If the government invested more in education, this wouldn't happen. Our school systems are awful, which cause Americans in general to be poorly educated. Our universities and colleges are ungodly expensive, so most people don't even bother enrolling. And if they do enroll, they don't always perform as well as foreign students, because the education they received prior to higher-education tended to be less demanding of their mental faculties. People like Charlie Kirk loved the whole free-market entrepreneur shtick, he spent a lot of time talking about how people didn't need to go to college. Since most Americans cannot work either of these sorts of jobs which are dominated by immigrants, the government now is deciding it won't get rid of all the immigrants. America will probably keep enough documented and undocumented immigrants to sustain its economy, but the ones who aren't absolutely necessary will probably get deported I guess. The immigrants who stay will have even less rights, for example, the H1B people will be at imminent risk of deportation if they lose their job or dare to quit. Even if Americans do get jobs working on farms, that will only be after Americans are so desperate for work that they're willing to accept the kinds of conditions undocumented immigrants work under. Anyway, I'd endorse making the immigration process easier, so you don't need to wait ten years to enter the country, or be some child prodigy. The undocumented immigrants working on farms can get workers rights so they aren't exploited. Americans can be more educated so they can actually compete in technical job fields. We can return factory-style labor so Americans can work simple jobs. Deporting everyone is not a good idea in my eyes. >Because frankly it was dumb argument. You get the most qualified people by ignoring their ethnic background altogether. Simple as! I was waiting for you to say this. The blacks are simply inferior, so if you ignore people's ethnic background, they'll get hired less. What you're saying doesn't quite apply though, because job applications don't tend to rely upon test scores, which is what you're using as a basis for your argument. You're also expecting me to accept, without evidence, that nonwhite people will perform worse on these nebulous "tests", but since it's not all that relevant to this discussion, whatever. What you're talking about is something people usually talk about regarding affirmative action at universities with test scores. A job application tends to just look at your resume. You're not taking a test. When you apply for a job at an office or something, your employer probably isn't going to be interested in your high school grades or your score on your SATs. Nor do employers who hire college-graduates care much about their grades. Some employers do look at people's GPA, but this is less common now, because it's not a great predictor of performance. When a person gets their degree, their score on some test isn't present. The information contained in the degree is qualitative stuff regarding the work they did at college/university. They usually also include on their resume work experience relating to the job they want, like work as an intern, or on some research, or what not. So, like I said, they're just hiring qualified people. And they're doing it on a qualitative basis. Employers with DEI are make a good faith effort to seek out a diversity of applicants. But they're seeking qualified applicants. In your mind, there cannot be any sufficiently qualified black job applicants. That's your problem. >Oh, so he only supported the jewish state, not the jewish people? What's the difference? Especially when so many israelis are also zionists? Zionism was invented in the late 19th century. The state of Israel was created 80 years ago. Jews have existed for thousands of years, and have significant genetic and cultural diversity because of it. When zionism was first invented, most jews opposed it because their religious consensus at the time was the notion of a jewish state was heresy. The holocaust, general antisemitism, and brainwashing did a lot to change that. Look at what Israel did to Iraqi jews. They bombed them in order to scare them into coming to Israel, because the Iraqi jews were content with living in Iraq. Tons of Israelis are zionists, but they're not the only jews in the world, nor do they represent all jews. Israel would probably have never formed were it not for the fact that America and Britain didn't want to absorb a bunch of jews into their countries who wanted to leave Europe after the holocaust, and for the fact that they were willing to fund Israel as a state to provide them with control over the Middle East. A whole ahistoric religious mythos around Israel has formed in order to maintain support of it. Charlie Kirk can present as not being antisemitic by sucking off Israel, but when he's playing into conspiracies that are used by most zionists as the justification for Israel existing in the first place, because they led to the holocaust, it seems pretty superficial. We can discuss research into how much people's academic grades correlate with their professional performance, and racial disparities in hiring, like studies where white job applicants get hired more than black applicants with identical resumes. Seeing as you've admitted already that you're going to stick with your caveman mentality of favoring personal perceptions over empirical evidence, maybe that won't happen. Scientific study that shows American society is unjustifiably racist is woke. Academia is woke, because it's woke. Everything I don't like is woke. Academia is biased leftwards because those ideas are more meaningful to study. What do people like fascists have? Mein Kampf? Some writings from Mussolini? You don't get a lot of mileage with that. Nor do you get much mileage with the garbage made by less extreme right wingers. Like I said, you need your conspiracies, because without them you have nothing. I summarized your whole existence in my previous post because I'm a fuarrrking demigod apparently.

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>>27218 Based, blacked and redpilled!

>>27148 > hated Yarovaya Law So man, you are from peasant slavery, bolshevik slavery country who once had unique chance to live in free society but elected KGB-agent as President, again and again. And you're telling ppl in free countries how them to act, how to live, how to believe? You're trying to teach others when your own society completedely FUСKED UP, totally FUСKED UP and you are part of this. What a hypocrite or just super fat troll

>>27216 >those [Latin Americans] are the only people with the skill and physicality to work those jobs. >Most Americans are fat, lazy, and weak. You speak of your fellow landsmen like you accuse republicans speaking of blacks. But I don't think this will convince people in your country to import more latino bvlls so they can work the fields all day for nothing more than some tacos and corona beer, just so you can have your corn syrup pumpkinspice latte. Let alone will support any other of your luxury beliefs while already having to make the difficult decisions to sort out the mess that already has been caused while the left keeps screaching into their ears. >The blacks are simply inferior, so if you ignore people's ethnic background, they'll get hired less. Interesting. I never stated any competency assertions based on ethnicity or race. Nor did I attribute anything to those buckets of numbers from earlier. These were nothing but arrays of numbers I've randomly generated to demonstrate the flaws in your "DEI" method and how the true egalitarian and meritocratic method provides better and fairer outcomes. You can yammer about "academic data" but I've provided a fairly indisputable algorithmic proof, which also should be elementary to understand. The 102, 101 and 98 could have as well been some wakandan kings, my example did not exclude that possibility, yet this rorschach test revealed that not only do you see caucasians as inherently superior but you also want to actively and systematically undermine them. You also glanced over my critique about the psychological effects that come with such a policy, which makes me infer that in addition you do want to also rub it into their noses since the ambiguity of not knowing whether you were rejected because of your qualifications or your race is some brilliant psychological torture. And the psychological profile I've built of you so far doesn't reject the possibility that you would draw some joy from that as well. And the cherry on top is that you call anyone who objects to your despicable scheme a racist and a nazi. It's an insult to even the slimiest of worms to call you one. >When zionism was first invented, most jews opposed it because their religious consensus I mean feel free to go to Israel and advocate for "more diversity". Maybe you'll make some friends there. >I'm a fuarrrking demigod apparently. While it was fun chatting with you, my main question the whole time was whether you're malicious or just dumb. And while some stupidity does seem to play a role, my question was answered, you're evil, a demon. One which hides behind a veil of false virtue to achieve their twisted goals and hatred. And this isn't mere accusations but an inference made from your own posts. I guess this is why your ilk hates debate so much, because given long enough you will inevitably self report on your ill intent. That's why your side has to shut those down, be it by violence and murder as we've very recently seen. You know very little about the politics and views of your opponents, many of whom didn't even have to be your opponents. Even less about people. And seeing that even I, who did conduct blind evaluations of application tests, on merit and merit alone, using numbers for candidates to remove any potential implicit bias, is being called a nazi. This makes me conclude that there's no winning, mediation or compromise through argument or debate with someone who is as lost and gone as you are. What this exchange validated to me is that you most likely would giddily partake in rounding up all the "nazis", over half of the current US population, and filling up those mass graves like under the bolsheviks, p0l pot or mao, all the way until you yourself have served your purpose as a useful fool and your iteration of stalin grows too annoyed with you socialist theorists bickering that "this ain't real socialism", so you land in the same ditch with everybody else you betrayed. This is always how it went and it is how it will repeat if we allow this to happen. Of course you will deny this and try to spin this around somehow, I've seen this many times, but it doesn't matter now since the drawbridge has been pulled up and you have only yourself and your fellow wannabe revolutionaries to blame. >>27218 lmao I might as well attach a topical funny too since I'm considered a nazi no matter what I do by the lunatics.

>>27220 >elected LMAO >What a hypocrite or just super fat troll Oh you.jpg

>>27221 >Interesting. I never stated any competency assertions based on ethnicity or race Do you have half a brain or something? Your example doesn't reflect this at all. In the context of the example you gave me, you clearly are stating that so-called meritocratic methods of hiring will have black people get hired less. It's all couched in the idea that asians and white people perform better than black people on standardized testing, it all relates to these affirmative action style talking points that racists make. Your solution is that we elevate black people's standards of living so they perform better on your nebulous testing system. You don't actually care about helping black people though. In your previous post you referred to black people as "blacks", now you sneeringly call them "wakandan kings"; you view a person as odious as Charlie Kirk as "moderate" and will not back down from that position. It's very clear what your opinion of black people is, and as a result, what motivates your sophistry. You gave me a half-baked affirmative action style talking point, which as I said, doesn't apply to the reality of the world of jobs. Who but a racist idiot online, arguing from their memorized script, would do this? People like you assume that whites are superior because they tend to obtain higher scores on tests. You just revealed this of yourself. You assumed that because I think white people would have a tendency to obtain higher test scores in the context of an affirmative action type discussion, that I think white people are therefore superior. This doesn't necessarily follow. I don't believe this. I don't really value test scores much at all, nor do I give great value to academic grades either. I mean, their value depends on the career field and stuff. How people come to obtain the scores they obtain is a more complex discussion. I guess you figured this was going to be a gotcha moment, but it's just another display of your inability to argue with me in good faith. You can accuse me of being the "real racist" for stepping into your own mind and cutting through the bullshit, but this again just shows how you are utterly incapable of arguing with me on solid grounds. I have repeatedly been making claims which can be tested, which you can try to refute. You haven't done so. You cower away from actual debate, because you know you cannot engage in it. You compensate for this with sophistry, like what you just tried to do. >You know very little about the politics and views of your opponents, many of whom didn't even have to be your opponents You tell me this, as you reveal how you know little of America's immigration situation, or of the history of Israel, or what Zionism is, and so forth. I didn't bother to mention it before but over the course of your posts you reveal yourself to know little. You don't know the most elementary details of those subjects, yet you feel the need to speak upon them. If you want to have a discussion, then lay out what you hold true about the nature of the world, or of politics. The things you think drive the issues we all face. For now, I'll continue to make my warranted inferences.

>>27166 >You would feel safe living with someone who will shoot an unarmed non-assailant for purely political reasons? Yes, I'd feel safe living next to such people. At least when enemies come for our property (you know, land is valuable property, and mob will always attempt to take it by force, just they have no capacity to do it everywhere at once), I'd always know whom I can ask for assistance: the ones who will not chicken out when the exam on actually having balls comes. What is their political orientation doesn't matter much, what matters is loyalty to comrades and to certain ideas that there are at least we have some sacred rights that are not to be violated, and these rights to have property and rights to protect it with violence, and rights to acquire means to secure own rights with all means possible, including violence. >I agree that your DNA should never be given up, and I am constantly annoyed that my family members have chosen to do this If mine had done that and I had known, they would have paid for that with their lives. What do I lose, if they betrayed me, then my DNA is already in the base, this means I have lost everything except the right and duty to revenge the traitors. >And you think this is equivalent to your aunt being honest with hospital staff about a non-crime? The state is an enemy. It doesn't depend on what you think about it, it is just objective reality of the Universe. And turning a relative to an enemy is betrayal. >>27164 >Ive read that his dad didn't even turn him in, but worriedly called a pastor or whatever the mormons call them and the pastor (a mandatory reporter) called it in. I'm pretty sure that all was to create plausible deniability to claim that when talking to other relatives: "it's not me, it's the friend, it was not intended"... We'll see if it was really only the pastor's intention if we get news that the pastor was shot dead by the father himself. The father can prove it was not intended outcome only this way. Cheap words don't count. Execution of the pastor by other people doesn't count either. Vendetta against traitors at personal sacrifice does. It is the father who caused that - it is his duty to do reparative actions. It doesn't absolve of guilt and harm done by the father, it can only be a weak proof through the following reasoning "it wasn't my intention, if your being caught was my intention, why have I then get rid of the traitor who has reported you at personal cost?", but even this proof can provide at least some comfort to the relatives of the traitor that their relative has not been a traitor they have only avoided due to extreme luck. >>27220 I never voted or agitated for him or his party. >who once had unique chance to live in free society We had. Westerners already didn't by that time. Even under the dictator Russia is orders of magnitude more free than the US. There are a lot of guides on immigration to the Western nations, and after 2022 there has come orders of magnitude more. They cover the topics that usually used to be uncovered ... just because they are written not by "sm'erd'akovs" of usual times, but by exhausted, angry people, dived into the depths of cynicism without pink shades and unlike smerd'akovs don't even try to pretend the West is good and are almost OK to admit they shouldn't have done that and that maybe they will return, but since they sacrificed so much to get here, they will try to stay here just not to have the sacrifices to be wasted. They even are OK to admit that they themselves are soykaf that have sold their soul for a dish of bean soup and are OK with it because the soup is really tastier despite being served in a cage, but they got what they have seeked. Unlike sm'erd'akovs who will tell us that the West is Heaven and Russia is Mordor, the post-2022 relocants will tell us that the West is just an another sort of Hell, more exploitative and cruel one, but if you are determined to struggle for a place in the Hell's hierarchy and are equipped for that, then you will significantly increase your income, you will not "own" the "property" you were still allowed to "own" in Russia, but you will be able to work harder, earn much more, and will have to spend all that, and that's the happiness of life. If one doesn't feel like the mindset of these relocants, one shouldn't relocate, it'll be a net loss almost universally.

If you want to understand who the most of Russian men are, even the ones living in big cities, these are kinda American hillbillies, but with less access to guns and in another legal landscape.

after 3 secs idk what ur threads about other than >muh charlie kirk why do you amerifats have ur panties in a bunch like a bunch of retards second guessing how this is a conspiracy like everything else in ur life america is even more of a burgerpunk joke when you realize a bunch of autists made the OS that runs 90% of their infra its like some welfare soup of string flinging, creating one injection vulnerability per function, all so some autistic monkeys can duct tape this soykaf up into what they call an OS

>>27233 it sounds like you have strong opinions on design architecture. if being autistic is so bad, what would you like people to call you?

>>27133 Why is this thread on /sec/? Go and be a social studies crybaby on /hum/.

>>27222 Go home Ivan, you're drunk and not funny

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