Self defense in Europe

Recently got my small lacrymo taken and spent the night in jail, police was flabbergasted and forced to go through protocol, keeping me company by bitching about my arrest that this shouldn't be illegal for the whole night. I'm very weak, I have sustained life threatening injuries so martial arts are out if the picture, what alternative do I have? I was thinking of learning pic related but idk sounds kinda dumb, do you have any better idea or maybe a link to some good clackers/clackers proficiecy tutorial?

To clarify I was thinking of a self defense tool that doubles as an anti stress thing to not get in trouble

Have you considered a bike lock? The ones that are at least 2kg and not U-locks. Looks less sus than clackity clacks.

Where do you live? I've never heard of pepper sprays being illegal... Well, except in restricted places like courts and the like obviously.

Its Illegal in the UK and Ireland for example, along with stun guns, and literally all self defense in general, Anything that doesn't involve dropping all your soykaf and running away is basically illegal.

Buy a axe, You know for camping.

Exactly what country? They all have their own laws. Carry a decoy wallet with mostly empty prepaid cards in it and like a single note that you can display then toss on the ground and run, the card you can use to later track down the person to be arrested if they try to use it but at no risk to you, hell you even could have a GPS tracker hidden in a secret compartment in the wallet to really be sneaky. Dont try to fight unless cornered or if they are actually after you not your money and likely able to outrun you. You don't need any weapons inherently. Wear a ring with a slight point to it on your left hand not sharp but short and blunt which I assume so long as it isnt too pointed and doesnt cover multiple fingers it wont count as a kind of brass knuckles but check with the laws to be sure. Punch where the liver is. Even a little kid can cause intense pain with a weak hit stunning someone ive seen people who said a kid hit them there and it was very painful. Aim below the rib cage so you dont have to put a lot of force in to actually cause a shock to the liver. Of course there is the rare case of people having a liver on opposite side of body but that would have to be very bad luck. Alternatively there are some collapsable umbrellas that are on pretty powerful spring tension making them shoot out pretty hard when their button is pushed which you could aim at the liver which they are less likely to block than a crotch shot but that is also an option. Aiming for the head wont be a good idea unless the goal is to use it as a distraction and physical barrier dropping the umbrella after release and running. If you are in a country with acid attacks having a fast auto release umbrella also will be good for those maybe because it can partially protect you some from being splashed but majority of those are done by people against someone that broke up with them or rejected them not random strangers usually. >>26305 Pepper spray, CS gas (a kind of tear gas), and mace are categorized as firearms in UK law and illegal. They only allow sprays that mark someone and I think there was a spray that foams up making someone unable to see or breathe but because it is non irritating skirts around the law by avoiding what designates something as a firearm but I dont know it's name. They allow knives with non locking blades under 3 inches too but they are expected not to be carried for defense so you need some excuse. I am not sure how it is in Ireland like other Lain mentioned. >>26303 Baoding balls dont attach to a rope. Youd more likely drop them or miss so they arent a good option. They also tend to have bells in them so they are noisy to carry if they do. I own some smaller ones. They can be heavy so I get the idea you have but it seems unreliable a plan.

>>26310 I'm in France and my pepperspray got taken and thats why I spent the night in jail, it's bullshit I know. >>26304 Too sus

>>26311 Yeah France is like kicking dead whales down the beach with self defense. to be honest pepper spray is almost always ok with police as long as it's a small container and not the big 500ml / 1L one. But yeah they've put me in gardav for a big one too :(

>>26311 I would have to look into French law later since I am not familiar. To expand on what I was talking about with the umbrella why I mentioned something so odd, I have one that shot out with so much force it ripped out it's own mechanism for popping up the umbrella from it's casing. You actually feel a kickback from the release and it has a safety warning label on it. If you add a subtle tip to the end that looks like it belongs there you might be able to get away with that. Down side is you only get one shot to hit someone with that force so you would need a backup plan.

>>26313 Problem is context, having to justify the umbrella and bike lock with no bike or no rain is suspicious, thats why I thought something that doubles as an anti stress tool could work, but I welcome better alternatives.

>>26314 Id see how a full size umbrella would seem odd but a collapsable one put away in a large pocket or in a backpack too? It it didnt have the strap attached they might not even figure out it could be used as a weapon. Literally anything can be a weapon. For example if you had a credit card sharped on it's edge that is dangerous, though totally not intimidating. I need a bit of clarity, when you say you have sustained life threatening injuries is this a hypothetical to avoid the topic focusing on martial arts or are you saying you are weak because you have been injured badly before? I ask since some martial arts are all about leverage and using an attacker's body weight against them not brute strength and speed on your part. Can you carry a butane lighter? French smoke more than other countries so seems inconspicuous enough. Likewise for electric arc plasma lighters though less visually intimidating.

>>26315 Great ideas I'll look intro it, basically got hit by a brass knuckle in the face and now I got a glass jaw, doctor said no martial arts.

>>26313 Would a bokken in a bag and a signed note from the local bushido club be technically legal? Please let me through flood filter

>>26316 Hm from sounds of it that just means you can not do competitive martial arts or do full on sparring where you get hit for real in the face or do tumbles. You can still learn and practice some things without issue. When I was a kid I did jujitsu briefly before dropping out not liking the style but the first thing they taught was a wrist grab escape method involving simply rotating your hand and forearm in a circular motion to make them lose their grip, it is very easy to do. So Id suggest looking up escape moves and a few moves for tripping or punching them and you can practice punches on dummies if you can, though kicks may be too risky for you if you lose your balance and fall over, just cant spar is likely what your doctor had in mind. I'd check again with them or someone else for clarity on that. Do keep in mind though many martial arts are not best for real fights so focus on stuff with field application like krav maga (used by the Israeli military), jujitsu (used by the Japanese police), and sanda (used by the Chinese military) or jsut basic self defense moves but as I said earlier decoys and having an escape are often the first suggested move to take except when that isnt an option. >>26318 I would think it would be legal in cases you are heading to and from a place of training but just carrying it around may be considered suspicious. You'd more likely get away with a cane and a doctor's note because hassling someone partially disabled wouldn't be a good look for them but I dont know if there is regulation on materials used or weight. Just keep in mind when walking with a cane people only limp bad from using them wrong, you use it not with the "bad" leg on same side, instead it is held in opposite hand to the bad leg as a support to move with it. You will likely be stopped if you are young and not dressed in such a way a cane looks right with you and arent wearing any casts or brace but the note will make them leave you be unless they are real jerks.

>>26302 Unbreakable Umbrella + story like "I use it as a walking cane sometimes bc I get dizzy after <jaw injury story>, that's why I picked a strong one". Probably the actual brand German one. You should train a bit with it just so you know your reflexes are in good shape, and maybe do a bit of jogging so you can run if you need to. >I would think it would be legal in cases you are heading to and from a place of training but just carrying it around may be considered suspicious. Unbreakable Umbrella pocket version is said to pass airport checks pretty good. I wouldn't worry about it so much, priority one is feeling safe, then readiness, then fixups like "mr officer I was very scared I didn't know what I was even doing before it was already over" - ideally nothing ever happens, or like you have a scare once but walk away from it within 15 seconds.

Or steel-toed boots. If you can kick well enough. Here's a review of the regular-size UU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1IZ52MPEcs I recommend *not* going with knock-offs, even if they're by Uzi or Walter or whatever - have a look at the reviews and tests done and compare them if you need to be sure.

>>26323 I ran in boots before, felt slower and injured my knee. There are steel toed work shoes though which are more flexible and better grip even on wet ground. Most this will do is add some sting to a kick and protect feet from being stomped on. >>26322 >Unbreakable Umbrella sounds like a sales pitch lol I am sure it difficult to break but I assume it is lightweight and will just be whipping someone basically which might work if intent is to stun them some. Though the long cane style one could be used to hook back of their knee and push them backwards with other hand same time to make them fall to the ground.

>>26324 >There are steel toed work shoes though which are more flexible and better grip even on wet ground. I'm test-driving a pair of "security guy" type steel toes; what sets them apart is that they have a fat heel so it's easier to run on them. >Most this will do is add some sting to a kick I'd say it makes a 1.5x difference in damage / force applied when hitting with the toe. The slowness is real though. >sounds like a sales pitch lol Yeah I noticed ^^' one of my parents was a tech reviewer for decades... I also just like martial art videos and goofy but well-built weapons... It can break a coconut or a watermelon, the trick is that it has a massive plastic handle bulb (or hook). It's a light mace, or a stick to block and control with.

>>26325 >I'd say it makes a 1.5x difference in damage / force applied when hitting with the toe. I expect a big part of it would be not hurting your toes real bad Ive run in boots, its not bad but obviously nicer to have lower weight shoes and high boots are probably no good, nor are built up heels imho. There are some less workboot style shoes that do have steel toes if you look around so might be worth looking into. I dont know much about kicking though and it seems like a kinda bizzare self defense system, if you can't even carry a knife you're literally a prisoner/slave/something. Personally I want some of those shoes with the spring loaded knives in the toes.

>>26326 In martial arts you dont use your toes for this reason. You use the top of your foot or the heel for a harder impact and so you dont break a toe or sprain your ankle.

>>26322 Is this it? https://www.kamouflages.com/products/parapluie-de-securite-modele-cs-video-demonstration?variant=31490351333454

>>26326 High boots can be OK for running if you're wearing long enough socks, the issue is only that they can scrape your leg above the ankle and their weight. I've run a bunch in Doc Martins and while the airy soles help, a thicker heel (like e.g. Asics running shoes have) does really help. "Running boots" like this are used in the army and by security guards. One upside to kicking is, it's whole lot of force, has decent range, and it can't be turned against you; even if they grab your foot, they can't kick you with it... >>26328 No, the name I gave is exact: https://unbreakableumbrella.com/ I only recommend this one because it's been reviewed a lot, I've not seen any reviewer cause it to fail in a disappointing way, and because I recognize how its inventor takes pride in it. For example this is an Unbreakable Umbrella (TM) reviewed on Weaponism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5CXvmF2aOI And here's an Unbreakable Umbrella ad, voiceover by its inventor and on their official channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t99GvpAuKc&list=PLjsWlL2RakSBEpG93Sh1AtVPailIFMWXs There's a lot of imitation crap with dumb designs on the market so half the ads for UU are comparisons to those; they break and they have markings that destroy deniability ("I didn't take it with me to beat someone up with"). Maybe there is an exception or two but you'd really have to delve into the reviews to find one.

>>26329 pic related is a high boot with a built up heel. doc martins are not high boots. >even if they grab your foot they can't kick you with it no but they can throw you on the ground or control your movement >decent range ok compared to biting and hitting sure but tasers/pepperspray/firearms/throwing stones have better ranges even if you're very good at kicking

>>26328 Like "Security Umbrella"... that name implies intent to use it for personal defence. "Unbreakable" doesn't. I would hope it doesn't say "Security Umbrella" or even the brand anywhere on it. The design of the tip looks OK, if it doesn't break off easily. It'll be nice if it has a thick, flat cap so you can use it as a walking stick. From the video it might have similar structural integrity qua "spine", but I believe a few independent reviews would be needed to corroborate that. >>26330 Ah sorry. I mean slightly higher than doc martins, but less than what you posted. Like picrel is what I mean. >ok compared to biting and hitting sure but tasers/pepperspray/firearms/throwing stones have better ranges even if you're very good at kicking Sure, I agree. A spear, crossbow or pneumatic harpoon gun would be even better. But OP is asking about something that's confiscation-proof across most of Europe. He could carry a stone or two relatively securely, or pepperspray and a taser in Germany. But you need no loicense for shoes.

>>26330 Or on the other end of the spectrum, casual / dress steel toes. Composite toe is okay too. What do you call shoes that aren't flat, have a forward tilt (bc the heel is thicker than the front part), but also don't have a "built up heel"?

Does anyone know some good book teaching basic principles of self defense and vital points from which to land blows, something like that? There are no rules in streetfighting.

>>26337 Can't recommend a book, sorry. I recommend developing a taste for groups where you can spar, and keep looking to find someone to spar with at various places, not just at Gym / group A. So you don't always have a hired teacher around whose cash incentive is to gas you up and keep the group at whatever level allows noobs to join comfortably (this has to do with attrition economics). Training alone is great, but sparring with a partner provides a ton of feedback. And much more organic and deep feedback when you're both (or your whole group no exceptions is) doing it for free. You're right that you can start with a book, just try not to drill specific movements too much because you might over-specialize and get too cerebral. You want a developed gut intuition, be flexible and strong (incl. nervous system), and have effective reflexes. For gut and reflexes you need a partner for training ("reading" people and not telegraphing) and validation (match between reflexes and actual human proportions / weight distribution / joint mechanics etc. - this is why to "avoid too much solo drills"). Tendon and bone strength & flexibility can be trained solo, and nervous system too to a large extent (breathing exercises x tendon or bone). You can look at callisthentics for pretty much any integrated approach to developing strength and flexibility in tandem, but you still have to decide for yourself what you need more of for your self-defense training (e.g. can't kick at 90 degree angle, then you need better hip flexibility; wobbly kicks, then you need more fine / stabilizing muscle strength in your hips, knees and ankles; wrist flips over when punching a bag (very dangerous), wrist strengthening exercises, and so on). As for systems, it's important to know if you're training for the short term or for the long term. Short term Krav Maga is probably king in terms of technique, together with less-known self-defense / military handbooks; long-term it's traditional martial arts or Systema, because these take flexibility, joint durability and limiting energy expenditure into account more thoroughly. E.g. if you're OK with a slower but bigger pay-off, go with the latter... if you're going to get bored or have a time limit, the former.

>>26337 I would learn escrima but I don't know where to begin

>>26302 Carry a carabiner. I have the same as the ones on the picrel, except mine is anodized orange(stylish af). Due to my job I usually hang a pair of RJ-45 cables there so it doesn't look sus at all. Can easily double as a knuckle or at the very least as additional weight to your punch. Definitely can make someone hurt. And I doubt you'll need to explain a very common tool like that to the police. Just hang it on your hip and roll with it.

>>26382 damn dude, have you actually tried striking with one? my knuckle got messed up trying it just now.

>>26383 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>26383 Yeah, and I know it hurts. Better than being mugged or dead though. Also, you can swing it instead so your hand doesn't take as much damage - the momentum does the job for you, especially if you got long arms like me.

>>26337 Yes. Old martial fart here. Taught by a bouncer/bodyguard. I'm not very popular in martial arts circles because I have OPINIONS, but I can zippidy-doo-dah you up a reading/viewing list and some general advice. First, don't be satisfied with weakness. https://archive.org/details/Isometric_Power_Exercises_Bruce_Tegner https://archive.org/details/WeightTrainingForTheMartialArtistMartialArtsSelfDefense Technique: https://archive.org/details/TheSASSelfDefenseHandbookByJohnWiseman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brEab4gFvrs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M35L7ZNSqug Avoidance: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-Nkgs9Wco_QtorhYo/ Escape: https://archive.org/details/street-e-and-e-paladin-press General martial arts, safe travel and healing: https://archive.org/details/the-art-of-shen-ku-the-first-intergalactic-artform-of-the-entire-universe-pdfdrive

Unironically travel in a pack, get a bunch of thuggish looking goons to protect you. Or just don't go out alone, as most people won't bother a group. If you mean you actually need a weapon for self defense, look at what is legal in your cuntry. If you are frail, carry a cane or a walking stick. Umbrellas is you think it might rain, or if you are pale "to protect your skin from the sun" like asians do. Objects on strings can be swung with a lot of force, so a YoYo is valid (and also a toy for autists) despite being an actual weapon. Better yet, the best weapon is the one you never need to use, so just run away. >>26337 Military combative courses teach all of this, but you also need a reasonable amount of physical fitness for those. You can find plenty of manuals and publications. Also look up law enforcement vertical stuns, or one very effective technique being the brachial stun (picrel). If you hit any major nerve bundle, you can potentially incapacitate someone. https://www.bluesheepdog.com/4-simple-fight-winning-techniques/ Army Combatives https://archive.org/details/pdfy-fVDyuxwTeEMYNYLk/page/n179/mode/2up

>>26391 Jesus Christ, a yo yo is not a self defence tool. I'm imagining trying to hit a mugger with your yoyo, and it's just embarrassing. A plausible fistload to be carrying is a roll of coins or a sparkplug wrench socket, but you still have to know how to box. You can get steelcap sneakers, but you still have to know how to kick.

>>26393 If heavy enough it would be. The yo yo originated as a weapon. Though problem is it would be very unreliable for example the cord could break.

>>26394 It really didn't. It's useless as a weapon, and that's why nobody ever used it as one. Any cord strong enough to hold a weight heavy enough to weaponise would preclude its use as a yo-yo. A monkey fist, a manrikigusari, a pool ball in a sock, a sling, a Millwall brick, a lead weighted scarf, yes, but a fuarrrking yo-yo? No. Stop posting. You are ignorant, and are not contributing to the dialogue. Please cultivate some critical thought or intellectual self-defence, or at least learn to Google.

>>26400 >neurosuggesting you can't buy a steel yo-yo and then replace the string with kevlar or high strength dacron cord

>>26400 Ah I guess you're right looking into it more the idea of it being a weapon came from mistaken outsiders but still stringed weapons are a thing but difficult to wield.

>>26302 Have those hands of the king taken your DNA?

A pipe wrench or a hammer are unpractical but good options, but in general I would go with anything that's blunt.

>>26302 At the worst scenario you can carry sand in your pocket, it's useful for fight-or-flight.

Bonk them with a maglite. You'll look weird, but that's fine. You're just scared of the dark.

I stabbed a junkie with a sharp pen once.

>>26967 >Self defense pocket sand Improved if powdered glass Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! >>26968 Some cops used to call those big maglites Niggher knockers

>>26302 Your government have decided that it's better to do what the criminals ask you do do. Only evil people would kill someone over morality and death is permanent while a rape only last 15 minutes. Buy yourself another lacrymo and spend as many nights in the PD as needed. >>26311 In France, knives whose blade is shorter than the handle are legal, but cops don't know the law and don't care. They fully know the no go zone housing block is the territory of the narcrcos, and so a the jail, so they target people who won't burn their house because the commisaire force them to put numbers on a paper. That's all there is. The law don't apply to a lot of people anymore and you can decide that it don't apply to you. Legally speaking, bear maces are considered an insecticide because it's illegal to use it on people. If the cops ask you why you have it, says that it's in case you bump into a bear. It's stupid but it's legal. But you should start by CCing the small spray or that thing that do big sparkles. If you keep it against the guy, he is going to stay on the ground a few seconds after you are done. The best answer, obviously is to leave the city. They are not made for people anymore. >>26382 May I recommend picrel instead? The thumb goes in the big hole and the middle finger in the small one, it's basically an american fist.

>>27086 >death is permanent while a rape only last 15 minutes I argue that I will always defend myself with lethal force: All aggressors, attackers, enemies or violent entities which wish to do me legitimate harm in any way are inherently less valuable then myself. Rape? I'll kill a man over a Snickers. Human life is not inherently valuable, it's the value that life produces. If the life is a net negative(Even people in comas bring joy to their family.) and only allows suffering, killing the person is value in and of itself. This lethality is predicated on the fact that I would never and will never attack someone: I do not agree to fight; An attacker will immediately be slain. Morality is irrelevant, my life to me is simply infinitely more valuable then his.

>>26970 MR SANDMAN BRING ME SOME SAND STORED IN MY POCKET PROPELLED BY MY HAND