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Why do you care about privacy/anonymity? Everybody talks about privacy, how to have privacy, what things to use, and they will attack things for violating people's privacy, but they never even consider why privacy matters in the first place, or what they are trying to be private from. Seriously, why does it even matter? Keeping your personal activities private from corporations: Why does this really matter? How does it hurt you for them to collect personal information on you, especially when the data almost never seems to leak to the public. You choose to have your privacy violated whenever you use their platforms, it is the price you pay. You give them your data, and they sell it to people who market you products, which turns them a profit. It's not a secret, you literally agree to a legal contract stating what will happen to you. Keeping your personal activities private from people: Nobody even thinks about this, and they don't need to because the average person can't easily snoop on the personal online activities of another person without access to their devices. Keeping your personal activities private from governments: Assuming you are a documented citizen of your country, they already know everything about you physically, if you were born at a certain time in America they have your hand and palm prints. It is basically impossible to exist in the modern era and not have the government+corporations know everything about you. If you pay your bills, and socialize, then you can probably be traced everywhere you go by the government, and much of your personality (interests, political/religious beliefs, hobbies etc) is known to the government. If you own a smartphone and carry it around, use an email address for business, have a bank account, credit/debit card, attend schooling, drive a car, ride public transportation with a traceable access card, order goods, socialize with people in real life who use smartphones, etc, then you can be tracked everywhere you go, and the entirety of your personality is (probably) known to them. Why does it matter though? Is it really a problem? Where is the widespread damage that has been and is being dealt to all of society by this? Is it really any more of an issue than people simply saying it's an issue, without ever establishing any grounds for it being an issue? The only threat there seems to be from our government+corporate mass surveillance is that of a vague, potential for a tyrannical government in the future using the data saved through the years of surveillance against "the masses".

>questions the validity of the desire to keep one's business to one selves >omits the fact that governments and businesses are ran by psychopaths and trusting them with any sensitive data is madness >picture of some gays Do I need to say more about OP's sexual inclinations?

Good to know cuomosexual huckoldry is more /sec/ than guns.

>>24043 I was just curious to see if people could provide solid arguments on why they value online privacy/anonymity aside vague nudges toward its importance.

>>24045 Alright, for those to whom this isn't obvious. The more info that corporations have about you the better they can psychologically scam you into giving them your money for useless crap. The me info a government has the easier they can find and squash people who complain a bit too loudly when the wealth ends up transferred to the very top. Mass data hoarding also furthers monopolies and centralization. And your point about it being people's fault that they chose a given service. Is it their choice to have to use google drive to submit their homework assignment for school or have google or some other service be required for work and so on? >inv4 just don't work for those places Sure, then just go and live in the wilderness instead and live off the land. Oh wait, you can't even do that! It's all federal property! So you better use your smartphone for everything like it's already a necessity in some places in Asia. Leading example being China where the current cyberpunk dystopian trend is leading. Meanwhile your argument is really just yeah, things are bad. About to get even worse too. So what? Why should we care? Great b8 tho.

>>24046 I don't see any instances of western governments using data produced by mass surveillance programs to persecute large groups of dissidents.

I don't care about either, really. I just use FOSS and host my own servers because I want tools that work correctly, well, and use no more resource than necessary. We could accomplish a lot more if we gave up the fetishization of privacy. It leads to more depravity than productivity.

>>24047 Not overtly, obviously. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053951719861703 >Crime prediction machines are used by governments to shape the moral behavior of police. That is, they calculate equivalence relations (Desrosières, 2002), distributing safety over the territory according to multiple criteria of cost and social justice. They serve not only to predict where and when crimes may occur, but also, and in fact mainly, to direct, supervise, and regulate police work. One must question the very reason for a "Justice system." By its definition, it is reactive, but predictive policing is by its nature proactive, which means that it is reacting before a crime has occurred - effectively precrime. Facebook and friends already can flag people for suicidal thoughts, and people who are determined to be a threat to themselves and others then involuntary commitment may be invoked. Say the wrong thing online and the algorithm will call you a bad person. Get blacklisted, lose your job, lose your home. Friends will see you as a bad person. Consider that people who were in pictures at the protests in D.C. on 6 January were labeled traitors and insurrectionists. Obviously not everyone who decides to go hang out with other people inherently shares the extremes of their beliefs. But imagine, being in the background of a picture at a certain place when others are doing frowned upon activities is enough to brand you a terrorist or worse. Also who watches the watchers?

>>24042 Corperations could manipulate me to make me stupid and stop loving the things I love, to love their things instead. I have strong opinions I care about on the web, and am going to make enemies by trying to help friends and spread the word. I can do this more readily if I'm not watching my back. Protecting against governments is a good habit, but yeah, not essential for my use case. If you try to protect against governments, you'll be protected against smaller threat actors. That being said, to actually change the world, I focus on not being a threat to any large actors who could shut me down.

Doesnt matter how pure and moral you think you are, you are someone's potential target for persecution.

>Keeping your personal activities private from corporations: >Why does this really matter? tons of reasons, the ability to manipulate people without their knowledge, and selling that data to oppressive governments. FBI and other intelligence agency can access it with cash and not a warrant. >How does it hurt you for them to collect personal information on you, especially when the data almost never seems to leak to the public. Awful take dataleaks are so common its laughable go to any news site and you will see a new databreach and leak. >You choose to have your privacy violated whenever you use their platforms, it is the price you pay. You give them your data, and they sell it to people who market you products, which turns them a profit. It's not a secret, you literally agree to a legal contract stating what will happen to you. Increasingly becoming less of a choice the vast majority of sites have adsense or other cookie/trackers, granted they're are plugins like privacy badger and other tools to help. But more and more jobs are requiring facebook/linkedin/etc to do background check and using they're tools for simple things like clocking into the job and standard HR tools. Making it less and less of a choice. I know a few people that use facebook as they're timesheet and almost everyone higher up on the ladder is going to have to use linkedin for networking. Not using these platforms is going to be like a choice for some the same way not having a job is going to be a choice, only for the well off that that don't actually need it. >Nobody even thinks about this, and they don't need to because the average person can't easily snoop on the personal online activities of another person without access to their devices. this is also a awful take online stalking has become so common and when that data is put up is rarely comes down. People also can follow you around calling your work/school/house etc. looking up anything doxxing/lolcow it's not pretty. >The only threat there seems to be from our government+corporate mass surveillance is that of a vague, potential for a tyrannical government in the future using the data saved through the years of surveillance against "the masses". Look up any protest fuarrrking anywhere USA/China/Europe and watch them track you down for being against the current government policy.

>>24053 >facebook for timesheets >facebook for identity verification As if that company was not already controlling enough...

>>24042 You're basically just stating that from your perspective the world is trustworthy, has potential, and is inevitably improving. That's all that's going on here. You're a submissive type who likes the sensation of belonging and having Father-Mother watching over them. You use dissociative traits to achieve this. You add an additional layer over that states you are smart, well adjusted, and strong on top of it. This caps it off.

>>24042 The answer is multi-layered Public information tends to last longer. information in the public is typically much easier to reference longer. The double edge of this - is that it's harder to remove. Now, you may think this only matters if the public information is bad but remember that culture changes and what is deemed as "bad" changes and quicker now than ever in the internet age. Information that is public can be used as a tool against you. Information is powerful - people can use your words against your image and even worse - your image against your words. People need to be able to whistle-blow or share important information without the fear of prosecution else there can be blind spots in justice. Fear of repercussions can incentivize people not to speak up against injustice or potential overreach of power.

>>24057 OP is either a moron or a troll, but you're just a moron.

>>24042 >How does it hurt you for them to collect personal information on you, especially when the data almost never seems to leak to the public This is some very low quality bait and the worst part is that it's working, apparently.

>>24045 The free market is a game and your buying preferences and personal inclinations and values is your poker hand. Regardless your entire thread is bad faith an you know it.

Why did I read the original post with the voice of Eric Murphy in my head?