Hacktivism

i've put off posting this thread for some time, because don't want to accidentally gather a bunch of amateurs who will get cucked by the government and later on sit on a bottle in jail, but for experienced techs - what are the good hacktivist organization in this modern time? which are up on topics like doxxing pedos and neutralazing propaganda actors k1llnet and anonymous (analalous) at least in CIS zones spend their time danking on ukranians and getting off random organizations/people in an extremely disorganized way. alternatives? and, once again, if you want to get into this, at least months of cybersec training required, and wait up until you've come to a consensus with your own head.

also, some good sources to prepare for this in the first place

sorry but like, are you 15? anyway just join a local hackerspace desu. i really wanted to get into cyber activism when i was younger too, but it's honestly so much easier to just touch grass and find other activists that way. >t. urban commie activist

there isnt a hacktivist group that isnt A. busted already B. controlled by the feds from the shadows so they can direct them against people the US government hates. just join a real activist group in your local area. dont join some random ""Anonymous"" group online. probably get caught up in some dumb entrapment scheme and end up DP'd in prison by neanderthal cave monkeys with aryan nation tattoos or end up lifting weights and coverting to islam.

You could go over to irc.2600.net and ask, but they'll just make fun of you and exploit you mercilessly.

you're doing the equivalent of playing too much call of duty and joining an airsoft group

>>23614 >you're doing the equivalent of playing too much call of duty and joining an airsoft group underrated statement, will use again, 10/10

>>23610 what's a desu no, im way older

>>23611 lmfao real i will be honest, there is definitely something, but people on this chan like to spread doomeresque/ defeatist rhetorics

>>23607 sounds like you're looking for crackas w attitude, an easy in, not sure

>>23610 > anyway just join a local hackerspace desu. This, I'm German and even in my place somewhere in the nowhere, there's an Erfa from the CCC

>>23676 >CCC https://vc.gg/blog/36c3-staff-assaulted-me-for-political-reasons.html

>>23711 What a crybaby Hilarious that you believe him >We were arrested, taken to the station, and afterwards my friend went to the hospital and I went back to the center (with police escort) to retrieve my backpack and tuica. It was interesting watching the police take in the congress around them -- they had been inside the CCL before but never for C3. I might of brought up a couple of the terroristic activities that are encouraged systemically there. We had a good time. A real rebel! Also newsflash the 4chan cancer cock.li has and continues to collaborate with the state

Ultimately all orgs decline by influx on undesirables and that happened with ccc too. If you aint in germany you can still see this in the talks uploaded on youtube without even attending. Lots of attending tards mimic twitter politics. Then again if you aint bitchmade its not an major issue - rather than letting those rejects take over you can fight back and do your best making them leave.

>>23716 >hilarious that you believe him I have personal friends' eye witness accounts that corroborate basically every part of the same narrative. VC and his friends are your friends too if you're a lainchanner. That said not all of ccc is bad imho, but it certainly has some rot.

>>23607 Rule number one of the list of one rules to fight authority: full decentralization. Don't join an organized group, do lonely actions. I would say a bit of social engineering and phishing will give you access to the maibox of some mailboxes of some second grade people who don't think they are a target of value. Maybe you can extract one or two information that would deserve a leak.

>>23717 like the phrasing no, i aint bitchmade but i wouldnt want to join toxic environments, either maybe the secret chat on lain has more info on this too

in full transparency, CCC seems like a honeypot

I wouldn't recommend looking for a group with which to fulfill your need to belong. It will always end badly. Work alone and according to your convictions.

>>23729 Its too mainstream to be one to be honest. Look at the talks, its all security professionals. They're still good though, I loved the Train DRM one. Theres also this weird emphasis on LGBT stuff from the pictures I saw

>>23716 >he didn't get assaulted, but if he did he's being a crybaby about it

What you think should be a goal is quite vague and I strongly sense an American posting this which if so it means you might as well just select a person and they will nearly100% of the time meet your target criteria, don't be like a Twitter poster. Not that I am encouraging anything and I have my doubts you will do anything but wouldn't one think it would be worthwhile a cause for someone to expose things like police connections to militias, find out where dark money given to politicians of all sides comes from, help decrypt ransomware infected computers in hospitals, find the backdoors in tech to be patched to weaken mass surveillance, find evidence of CIA coup plots. Though sounds like a bigger task than you're capable of right now.

>>24197 This is pretty much the operational concept. Hacker groups often struggle with their identity. I remember there used to be a number of green activist groups on TOR but they seemed to have either fallen apart or people just moved on. People jump from group to group without the group loyalty that people had in the past. Not to mention most coherent groups are pretty loose in their hacks. The hyper-specific groups of the past that targeted a specific company or agency are not really a thing anymore, or they get infiltrated and disbanded.

>>24203 wouldn’t be legally capable of that, either yes

>>23607 Hacktivism ? Nigger there will be no cyberpunk, no resistance to autocracy, you lost. All this soykaf for the 0.1% of shizo in moms basement. Result? 0 impact

>>24207 The part about helping hospitals decrypt from ransomware would be legal since not like they would refuse the offer.

>>24211 Their insurance might not allow them to use outside help due to health and privacy protections. Also, you might make yourself look like you were part of a false flag associated with the hack to begin with. How convenient that someone shows up in our time of need to help us. Also many companies won't publicly disclose hacks unless it actively affects their services. The hacktivists who used to troll ISIS were funny, but they were also attacking someone that nobody really liked to begin with.

>>24208 lol n-worded to say you cant change sh1t

>>24226 Well if you charge them for it it looks suspicious, yeah, but for free? Is there even a point to trolling terrorist groups? Not like it makes them change their ways. Unless it is done in a way it makes their members and would be members unaware think the group is incompetent and offensive to them.

>>24258 Nobody cares if you hack terrorists and change their extremist web pages. What are they going to do? Call the cops? There were also the ISIS anime girl memes that people would troll terrorists with. It does actually have a tangible effect, because it negates the idea that they are le edgy bogeymen that they are trying to be. It's a form of propaganda like anything else. >On January 24th, 2015, a user on 2channel's /news4vip/ board[1] submitted a thread titled "Let's make ISIS into a moe girl and send it to them!" with the intention of Google-bombing the search engine's image search results for "ISIS" with anime character illustrations." Soon, the physical features and personality of the proposal character were determined through "anchor designation," a popular forum game in which the specifications of a proposed idea are randomly selected through a lottery of specific post numbers as pre-designated by the original poster. Within first three hours, the post garnered 1,000 replies. It was designed for SEO to pollute search results for terrorist content.

>>24262 > Nobody cares if you hack terrorists and change their extremist web pages. >What are they going to do? Call the cops? That wasnt really my point. > It was designed for SEO to pollute search results for terrorist content. Ah I suppose.

>>23610 ponka user? based anyway, really, do something better than hacktivism. It's retarded.

epically derksing mentally ill fetishists isnt heroism, you're just a retarded asshole larping as a zogbot

>>24267 >>24268 And what to do?

Hacktivism is a concept that bleeds power, because it exposes a set of untapped ideas by disabling the two most common filters people use to habitually strain their creative process: will it make me money, will it be obviously legal? Some really great ideas are hiding in unprofitable legal grey areas. Here's an idea: voluntary ransomware target blacklisting. The blacklist could function like so: hospital has an hardware authentication token (or crypto wallet) that they use to sign requests for ransomware deactivation if they ever get infected. Ransomware developers may integrate this into their systems because controversial targets are a small part of their cash flow but account for most of their public relations issues. Why do the devs need this? The developers are not the target-selectors. They lease their tools to risk-takers and take a cut of the ransom for supplying infrastructure, helplines, etc. Very corporate. The process by which ransomware developers typically hold the decryption key hostage until they get paid, can include logic to release the key without payment if an blacklisted target requests it. This dis-incentivizes the attacker contractors from targeting enterprises that have signed up for blacklisting and admitted to the particular ransomware developer's blacklist. There can be warnings or something in their malware-launching program to advise them against targeting these institutions to save everyone some bother. I have a bunch of more detailed thoughts on this and reasons to implement it this way, but my ransomware ecosystem knowledge is mostly secondhand and probably a couple years outdated. A big preliminary step is confirming that ransomware still operates in a mode similar enough to make this idea feasible. For example, if they have pivoted to extortionware do the developers have access to the data so they can, just like providing a free decryption key, delete the data without demanding a ransom? The first planning step is just laying out all the assumptions in a plan that we can pitch. The first active step is finding a way to reach out to ransomware groups and pitch the idea until at least one of them bites and guides the implementation process to work with their infrastructure. They get the advantage of being the first to adopt the solution, probably the first or only one mentioned in news stories about it and a few of the other ransomware devs might have to screw around a little bit more to make it work with their stuff. If anyone wants to start working with me on this we could get a repo going on some "anonymous github" or self-hosted equivalent.

>>24280 The idea hospitals have something to say not to infect them is not new. Everyone that isnt a hospital will also use it so it defeats the purpose where the person trying to exploit wouldnt bother.

>>24283 Thank you, can you point to where this idea has been referenced before or give me a term to search? Note that "say not to infect" is not what is being done here. It is making infection pointless, so the affiliates who actually launch attacks have to abide by the rules of the malware developer. The point of using hardware tokens is to restrict the capability to an entity that can be held legally responsible for misuse or incompetence. The malware developers can also rate-limit the procedure per hospital at their discretion.

>>24285 Unfortunately I do not know the origin, I just have heard of it before. The idea is to have a sort of line of code that identifies the computer as belonging to a hospital which the ransomware checks for. The criticism is no one would play along because big corporations would get their hands on it and use it for other things so the people running the ransomware would just not run this check. Actually if they wanted people writing ransomware don't even need that, they could just run a check to see what the IP address is and check if the IP matches known IPs of hospitals and the like.

"Hacktivism" never was and never will be. It was sold to the masses as a way to weed you out, package you up and sell you to the highest bidder. Explanation: In the days of old, "culture" meant the historical and ethnic distinctive rituals and traditions that a group of people do in order to commit to their social cohesion (ie. swedish culture, mongolian culture, chinese culture...). In modern time "culture" is a "counterculture" term in order to distinguish people based on minuscule activity differences, mainly hobbies (ie skater culture, goth/emo/scene culture, hacker culture...). In all the latter there is a need and desire for the former that is quite evident (a need for group to recognize itself and validate the existence of their group members while excluding others). However, due to quite the obvious lacking of the ethnic, linguistic and historical barriers these cultures barely fizzle out in few years due to influx of others, need for gatekeeping is inevitable and strongly falls out with inability to control who is in or out. This is main reason why I call it "counterculture". The need to be distinguished from the mainstream culture of consumerist pop and the fizzling out of the "trend". Now, believe me or not, countercultures are a political tool for creating dissent. Just in terms of politics as expression of culture of people (the downstream of collective thought, formed into laws and policies) then we see counterculture as nothing but a subversion of power, of one group or another from each other. You have been sold the idea to "fight the man" even though ultimately you just put another "the man" in charge. Hollywood is a multibillion dollar industry, they sold you a dream (through Hackers 1995, Wargames 1983) that later on a few other guys profited on. The pipeline of conferences and schools and cybersecurity industry has been well established through mass media, and people just had to stand in the stream to catch a fish. They saw the potential power you guys might have, signaled to the others that you might use it, sold you the dream while fuarrrking you in the ass. Ultimately? You fell for the oldest con in the game. You either lacked father figure, or it was horrible father figure so you got angry at any authority that tried to impose its power over you. Your rebellious spirit found its way into exercising your own power through the skill of computers, so the mainstream culture created the counterculture of "hackers" to subvert you into helping it. Don't missunderstand though, hacktivism did exist here and there, I was even a part of it when I was younger, but you will not find it as it will not come to you on a silver platter for you to consume as a new energy drink. It will be spur of a moment in a community that will be extinguished before it even started, or a heavily coordinated mission by few psychopaths wanting to profit off the hacktivism of others, or just plainly psychopaths enjoying the destruction for destruction/power sake. "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater" - Frank Zappa

>>24289 Just because capitalists tried to get in on profiting off countercultures doesnt mean counterculture is just consumerism. It is the natural result of people who dont fit into the larger culture trying to find their own place to belong.

>>24290 >>24290 >doesnt mean counterculture is just consumerism. You're so blinded by the rhetoric of your ideology that you don't even see that I didn't ever imply or say that. My gripe isn't with capitalists who parasitically feed onto others or consumerism. My gripe is with insincerity and subversion. The wax and wayne of "cultural" fads. How "counterculture" is actually a dog whistle for political subversion and manufactured dissent. Even the far left and far right have been used as tools and weapons, both in domestic and geopolitical scene. You trying to shove your terminology, phrases and rhetoric into every discussions only screams brainwashed to me.

>>24291 i get the sentiment behind the commenter above - it does feel like youre using the notions (correct) of the way mass manipulation works to sort of delve into cynical doomerism Doesnt work? Congratulations. Suggest an alternative Always easy to say nothing works. Always hard to come up with something new yeah

>>24289 >However, due to quite the obvious lacking of the ethnic, linguistic and historical barriers these cultures barely fizzle out in few years due to influx of others, need for gatekeeping is inevitable and strongly falls out with inability to control who is in or out. Just explicitly gatekeep it yourself? >You have been sold the idea to "fight the man" even though ultimately you just put another "the man" in charge. I'll just make my own counterculture and be my very own The Man, then.

>>24291 i will once again explain why i calmly responded in a discreditory manner to this comment which was supposedly meant to lessen my faith (which, well, it will simply never happen); i think you equate intelligence with cynicism and that presupposition in and of itself might be idiotic (self-defeating) and incongruent to reality as most of intelligence metrics we have as of now are grounded in speed-formation of new neural pathways in the right places - positive productivity - one's ability to form something new your images carry a presupposition of either misogyny or your superiority over women which, in your case, is not true, because you are in fact talking to one. I already know everything you wrote, but it doesn't lessen my faith the evidence of a movement that might somehow resemble hacktivism is right before your very eyes - lain is evidence in and of itself. with all this mental energy of resentment in awareness, it seems like you should be punishing people responsible, but so far with this energy directed against yourself, it seems like you are only punishing yourself.

>>24291 it seems as though you have silenced yourself and now have to extrapolate that onto other people because its sh1tty to feel like this alone > "hacktivism" never was and never will be > It will be spur of a moment in a community that will be extinguished before it even started, or a heavily coordinated mission by few psychopaths > "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion" complete denial of Nature and personal responsibility although you're erudite, none of this is congruent with reality will you believe intrusive thoughts or is there something greater? can it perhaps be found through community? is hacktivism the way? i dont know, just saying

>>24280 I’d be in, what’s your session ID.

>>24291 I dont have an ideology but my own views shaped by observation and I didnt even use any special terminology. Literally everyone understood what I said and if you cant you just need to work on your English. You just dont write in a manner I found very readable so I only responded to part of what you were saying. Insecurity only plays a role in when someone is disinterested in something and only trying to fit in. I didn't think subcultures and groups being infiltrated and controlled is even in the same subject since it is a matter of it's own. You're just succumbing to defeatism..

>>24289 >In the days of old, "culture" meant the historical and ethnic distinctive rituals and traditions that a group of people do in order to commit to their social cohesion (ie. swedish culture, mongolian culture, chinese culture...). In modern time "culture" is a "counterculture" term in order to distinguish people based on minuscule activity differences, mainly hobbies (ie skater culture, goth/emo/scene culture, hacker culture...). I would argue that in some cases, it actually does reach the level of being a distinct culture. For instance, the traveler culture in the western US are culturally distinct from the rest of america. They do have their own rituals, histories, values, and distinct ways of life. Yet they arent an ethnic group at all, and emerged as a distinct group in the 60s. A "subculture" could be thought of as a weaker form of this.

>>24299 >In modern time "culture" is a "counterculture" term in order to distinguish people based on minuscule activity differences, mainly hobbies You think that people who dance half naked on the street with rainbow flags and get casual abortions are not a different culture from people who go to church and get married? >>24298 >You just dont write in a manner I found very readable That's because he's not trying to make a point he's just using smart words so people will think he's smart. Go to /hum/ the board is full of needy insecure people like that. >>24289 >"Hacktivism" never was and never will be. The original anonymous attacks against the church of scientology and darknet pedophiles were real cases of technically minded strangers spontaneously organizing around some moral cause and engaging in mostly online vigilantism. You can also go back further to the cult of the dead cow helping chinese dissidents against the ccp in the 1990s. I agree with you that when "anonymous" pops up in 2022 and starts attacking only NATO enemies that's fake and gay but that doesn't mean hacktivism was always fake and gay.

>>24280 I have the impression, perhaps incorrectly that hospitals are a big part of cash flow, and if not, other malware users will jump in to exploit the niche.

>>24296 Prove me wrong then. Do some hacktivism on your own, find a group even, see how far it gets you. Hollywood jerks off on the idea of some hacker destroying the current political/social structure. This elusive lone wolf of a hacker that isn't state sponsored or corp drone or some money hungry psychopath. Reverse image search this image for example. Do you think I tried to do something through my hacktivism? It is like kicking dead whales down the beach you in, chews you and spits you out. Targetting high profile politicians or corpos is all fun and game but ultimately you are not changing the underlying structures at hand here. It demoralizes you after a while, I know firsthand. Creation is much more satisfying than destruction, so try to change the world through positive changes. Much harder soykaf to do.

>>24296 >>24316 In the end hacktivism is an ego thing. Feeling youthful rebellion and trying to express it. Mastrubatory, especially through circl3jerk of a group that validates your existence. >"oooh lets make cute leetspeak pseudonyms and do opsec on basic cyberbullying campaigns and then pat ourselves on the back when our enemies say they're annoyed" I have seen this so many times its sad. And I was the sort of person who would go even further by stealing money from my so called enemies, literally destroying their lives and lives of their loved ones. Looking back I cringe at myself.

>hacktivism These noobs still believe in nation vs nation politics...WTF hactivism could they achieve that wouldn't just be gov news-cycle approved controlled opposition? Just step away from the keyboard. Even the "i lurked moar" Snowden "leak"[limited holdout] informs that "extrajudicial actions" [outside the law} are taken against "hacktivists". If you don't know what that may entail, shouldn't risk a slip down the slippery Zersetzung slope. Imagine being like one of those targeted individuals for the rest of your life in exchange for doing some seriously cringe and pointless "hacktivism" against ground level nobodies.

>>24324 i firmly believe that this bs is fabricated holy sh1t lainchan is going downhill with this brainrot shameless vomit doomerism

>>24317 It's fine if you don't take yourself seriously. I have LOICed some sites back in the days and it was fun to be the worse loosers of society, powerless teenagers with nothing but free time and an internet connection, and to shut down the websites of banks and make their auction loose one $. >Imagine being like one of those targeted individuals At least, tax $ would be used on me.

>>24357 I have ransomwared thousands of computers, you and I are not alike.

>>24324 Can you stop soykafting on people doing things and start doing things yourself?

>>23729 >neurosuggesting that hacking/security conferences aren't crawling with feds.

>>23607 Activism is just politics, which is like kicking a dead whale down the beach. It's joining a shared power fantasy, which is codependent behavior and violates the NAP. You can't model sovereignty vis-a-vis the state or anything else, with activism. You'll just look like a serf or a schizophrenic who's acting out violently, and make your "cause" come off as a violent, chaotic gang of bullies, or as the useful idiots of bullies. This is why there can be never be such thing as real Anarchist "activism"; if it's "activism" it's not real Anarchist activity. If you want to organize something actually valuable, e.g. non-political yet socially engaged, organize a group buy project, a cooperative or a soup kitchen.

I am actually surprised no one tried to hack NCOSE to expose their secret plans to shut down the internet instead of the false front they put on. But then for who hacked them to present it like a leak rather than hack so it isnt affiliated with criminal activity to have better optics for people to turn against the group more without giving it too much spotlight that could lead to more money going to them. Well unless they are exposed doing something outright illegal then if they get locked up it would put an end to their operation. Like what hacker doesnt want the internet saved ? Since this group is behind every bad law and move by credit card companies over the past decade or more.

>>24460 >"be the useful idiot in a feud between Americans" I rest my case. Activists are dangerous idiots who don't know their own motives or true interests.

>>24462 It isnt a US thing it is global because they go after sites in other countries via major credit card companies that are global but largely US and Canada based.

>>24463 >attack (from USA) sites (which I don't use AND can easily work around) on the level of (the USA-based) ICANN's DNS consensus, on the basis of the USA judicial system >... this somehow is my problem, as a European native Nah. The DNS system is a problem anyway, it's a retardo One-World-Governance getup. That's a NAP violation, and you say it is this exactly that needs defense? You're bought into ICANN more deeply than me, that is your problem and not mine. I sleep.

>>24465 You're not understanding. This isnt about US government takedowns, this isn't about US ISPs blocking sites. NO. This is about websites changing their policies and doing login walls because of the direct or indirect effects of NCOSE. It has literally nothing to do with US law these are legal things they are trying to control.

>>24471 That doesn't effect me unless I happen to use the particular website, AND the owner / community doesn't care to re-convene somewhere better. AKA: when I've misplaced my trust anyway. Besides, activism isn't going to establish any alternative systems, it never does. Activism is a destructive, chaotic methodology for people who've bought into revolutionary ideology. It's a form of menial labor, for the system, by its losers. The only people to whom activism can be a positive learning experience are people who've not yet succeeded significantly in their actual creative work. Because it's intrinsically less than creative. It's not even rational.

>>24473 I wouldnt call it activism in every case. It technically can be someone experimenting the extent of what they can do and whistle blowing if they find something of any meaningful significance while doing so, not that im saying they should or that it will inherently have any effect. It is ego boosting if they just do something dump a bunch of data that is a nothing burger or harms people for no reason all in hoping they can try to get recognition, i dont consider that in any way useful of meaningful. I was just saying you would think that people who do hacking would be more likely to try to hack threats to the internet ss a community and lifestyle if it isnt even something high profile like a government institution.

>>23717 Many soykafty talks but theres some interesting stuff like kasperskys triangel talk. On media[.]ccc[.]de their stuff is better sorted than on yt

>>24473 fuarrrk, I've been compromised. I wanted to malign this lain's position against activism as lackluster fatalism and skullduggery, but I'm missing too many points in philosophy. There's conceptualization here that I don't recognize, and it's too eloquent to rebut on rhetoric alone. Shit. What is activism really? Why doesn't it change the System? I don't buy that it's mere revolutionary ideology. I don't think that's a thing. I've seen too many small voices butterfly effect into things remarkable to not believe in the effectiveness of resistance. Is activism resistance? ...It must brew more. My guess is that these are ideas from Anarchist literature, which would explain why I can't interface with them. The closest I have conceptually is these animations I found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wu4hRYdhhg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gd951GuJhw

>what are the good hacktivist organization in this modern time? honestly, there aren't any. the groups you might recall from the early 2010s were largely filled with individuals more interested in socializing than actual activism, along with a few feds and just a couple of dedicated members who did the real work. that's why many of them ended up getting caught. you can accomplish everything op mentions on your own; there's no need for a crew. https://enlacehacktivista.org/index.php?title=Hacker_History https://enlacehacktivista.org/index.php?title=Learn_to_hack hack alone, share the loot

>but for experienced techs - what are the good hacktivist organization in this modern time? which are up on topics like doxxing pedos and neutralazing propaganda actors Antifascist networks. It's where hackers who aren't just exploiting for self-interest generally end up. They tend to decentralize by nature so I'm not actually recommending the public-facing aspects, like journalists documenting their works, but those are windows into what they're doing. Some operations include: Anti-pedophile infiltration of abuse cells: https://unicornriot.ninja/2024/sextortion-coms-inside-a-vile-child-exploitation-cult-run-by-nazi-linked-teens/ "#PatriotFail" - Almost a full compromise of a US propaganda network which tries to remain anonymous by thoughtlessly copying black bloc tactics A lot of Distributed Denial of Secrets work (more anti-corp stuff).

>>24825 The only thing edgyer than Guy Fawkes mask wearing hactivists are antifa. They think any level of violence is justified against fascism and define a fascist as someone who oppose them. If you want to help them, never give them your real name or any track that could lead to you, because if for any reason they don't like you anymore, they will blackmail you and threaten to flag you a xxxphobic, a racist or a fascist on public, giving a green light to mobs to do anything they want to you. And the only way to prevent that is to always do what they tell you to do, to never give them a grip on you or to simply don't work with them. Remember: everything they do is automatically moral and justified in their eyes.