lainchan / sec

Orwell warned us about screens looking at us

Jane Doe · 2021-12-13 21:40
I want to talk about the rise of the spying hardware being placed against our will in our machines. We all know a million softwares are glorified datamining programs, but no one is forced to use them. You can always use programs to stop Windows 10 to send information to God know who. You can always use a NSA disapproved OS ran from a bootable memory stick. You have option because the spies are on the software layer. We all know smartphones are just tracking device, but I still have a regular phone and burners are a thing. But now, we have something new. A no-machine-left-behind plague. First, there was the paladium project, a chip placed in your motherboard that check the DRM of every single file you open. That was back when the biggest threat to the world economy was you watching Naruto. They had to stop you by any mean necessary or rights owners would stop being billionaires, so they invented a chip made to control every program you run, every file you open. They called it "trustworthy computing architecture". Trust, in informatics don't mean that you choose to trust someone but that this someone made you an offer that you can't refuse: to trust him unconditionally. It have thankfully be abandoned, but the idea was still alive. Thanks to wikileak, we know that corporations worked with feds to create holes in their product that 3 letters agency could use. Stuxnet for instance use such 0 day holes to duplicate to any USB memory stick connected to the computer and to install itself on any computer connected to an infected stick as soon as the device is connected. It was used to damage centrifuges used to produce enriched uranium in Iran, machines that ran an almost secret proprietary software made by Siemens on a machine that is not connected to anything. I will not talk about Apple because they never even hiden that they watch their users. They now even use the advanced accelerometers to record heartbeats and sell the data to health insurance companies. Siri, tell my bank that I am interested in cryptos. Now, about where we are now. Windows 11 require you to get a "trusted" platform module so you can't even start your computer if you don't have a given list of "trusted" software that start before windows. In time, they will stop supporting 10 and if you want to run a professional program or play a video game, you will have no choice but to be chipped. Just use another OS you say? Well, no manufacturer will produce a product that 95% of the market will refuse to buy because they can't use it. Good luck having a computer at all. You will have the choice between the last few valued cards made in the early 00's or a spying device. Even all modern cars now have a computer, a GPS, record your every move, are connected to the internet and rat you to anyone who ask, but you could argue that it's still possible to buy a lada. Privacy is a thing of the past since people started to use free mail accounts (looking at you protonmail) but at least there was always a way to be safe. It was the past. This is the future and I don't like it.
Crash Override · 2021-12-13 21:59
from your image: >I'm coming forward today because of the news that Trump was spied on and he didn't care about the millions of civilians who were spied on? He doesn't care about people who were imprisoned because of this? He only cares about the president? That's low as fuarrrk. Also, ME doesn't have "access" to the TCP/IP stack, except in the sense that it has access to all main memory, it has its own TCP/IP stack. >You can always use programs to stop Windows 10 to send information to God know who. Not really, that stuff is baked in to the kernel and cannot be removed fully. >We all know smartphones are just tracking device, but I still have a regular phone and burners are a thing. got news for you bud... those are also tracking devices, and it's increasingly hard to buy a burner for cash. Anyway, yeah, if you're trying to fool the NSA you basically need to not put any secret information on a machine that will ever be connected to the internet. But most people aren't trying to fool the NSA, personally I'm just trying to fool tracking companies, and that is surprisingly easy most of the time.
Joey · 2021-12-13 22:08
>Orwell warned us >it's just like 1984 >the current year is like the dystopian novel 1984 by George Orwell Just use a free software operating system if you don't like Windows or Apple. fuarrrk off with this soykaf.
Yet Another Lainon · 2021-12-13 22:38
>>18300 ME is sold as the remote desktop device for professional computers. It was supposed to not be deactivated in private PC but it isn't. Of course it can communicate with the exterior. Ignore the Trump part, it's this guy opinion, not mine, but I will just say that: The NSA have intercepted the messages of the radical wing of the communists when they wanted to make a coup to prevent the fall of the Soviet union and they told Yeltsin which generals were plotting. It was in another country, using communication devices the Americans should not even know existed and with the highest level of encryption of the time. They made a lot of progress since. As a matter of fact, 3 letters can spy on any computer and they have been caught stealing industrial secrets a lot of time and using inQtel to give it to American companies. Alphabet boys have the mean to spy on a candidate and even on the potus and they could have kept it secret even from him. I am not saying they did, I do not know. >those are also tracking devices They only know which GSM relay I am near of and nothing else. That's a 100m margin. They don't know when I sleep or what I eat. > and that is surprisingly easy most of the time. And you know it... how? The point of stealing your data is that you don't know it. >>18301 On modern computers, that won't be enough.
Erik Johansson · 2021-12-13 22:42
>>18303 >> and that is surprisingly easy most of the time. >And you know it... how? The point of stealing your data is that you don't know it. No, the point is to be sneaky enough that 99.9% of people won't bother blocking your tracking attempts. That's a very low bar, most people are either completely ignorant or don't care about their privacy, those are the people that tracking companies make their money from. They're not going to invest money into tracking paranoid linux users, only three letter agencies would care about that.
Aristóteles Amadópulus · 2021-12-13 23:03
>>18304 I think Alphabets are more interested in breaking the OS the Russians made for their government, I get your point.
Nell · 2021-12-13 23:38
>>18304 Lain here is correct. The goal of privacy tools is minimization of data collection and a significant increase in the cost of undermining privacy. For example, it is as easy as compelling Microsoft/Apple/Google to activate their backdoor on your device or collecting your correspondence data/metadata directly from messaging providers to undermine your privacy. Instead, you want to use a Free Software operating system with as few packages as possible, full disk encryption, end to end encryption (ideally with forward secrecy) ideally on servers that are not owned by massive corporations, to minimize fingerprinting on the clients you use (such as web browsers), to obscure network metadata using anonymizing overlay networks (vast majority of adversaries in the world don't have a chance of doing a correlation attack even against low-latency nets like Tor), etc. Security fanatics can go beyond that of course, but the gist is to increase the costs of undermining user privacy and to mitigate the impact of a compromised machine.
Liet Kynes · 2021-12-14 02:32
>>18303 > they dont know when i sleep or eat fyou mentioed a 100m margin of error, i assume apps use the same data or is gps more precise? assuming it is enabled, most people dont care and have it enabled
Unsigned · 2021-12-14 03:08
>>18317 apps don't generally have access to which cell tower you're connecting to, although I guess they might be able to guess with reasonable accuracy. GPS is much more precise, accuracy is within a meter or two if there's nothing overhead.
Hagbard Celine · 2021-12-14 03:13
> Now, about where we are now. Windows 11 require you to get a "trusted" platform module so you can't even start your computer if you don't have a given list of "trusted" software that start before windows. In time, they will stop supporting 10 and if you want to run a professional program or play a video game, you will have no choice but to be chipped. > Just use another OS you say? Well, no manufacturer will produce a product that 95% of the market will refuse to buy because they can't use it. Good luck having a computer at all. You will have the choice between the last few valued cards made in the early 00's or a spying device. You can and should provision your own keys for UEFI secure boot and make your own signatures. Corollary, the following is factually wrong. > Just use another OS you say? Well, no manufacturer will produce a product that 95% of the market will refuse to buy because they can't use it. Good luck having a computer at all. You will have the choice between the last few valued cards made in the early 00's or a spying device. Pretty much all compliant UEFI firmware has to let you provision your own keys.
Tyrell Wellick · 2021-12-14 10:57
At this point i only hope for a solar flare, or some virus to crash all of the system for good. I see no way out of this, people certainly do not wake up, in fact they keep perpetuating this further. This is gonna go way beyond computers sooner than we think, and people will lick those soles clean and ask for more. I wonder what people who write this crap think to themselfs when they do what it will cause, if at all.
Pris · 2021-12-14 15:30
>>18318 >>18317 you guys forget about general biometrics, telemetry and accelerometers
Jens Hansen · 2021-12-14 22:13
Wow, normal people learned about TPM. And it's the worst thing ever after 5G and vaccines. Yawn. What's next, they will find out Windows is proprietary software?
Koos van der Merwe · 2021-12-14 22:35
>>18320 Most pocket telescreens "smart" telephones for pedestrians don't let you secure OS boot process with your own keys if you choose to install non-vendor supplied OS, and once you "unlock" the bootloader, which is is a process of extreme bootlicking and anal acrobatics on it own, just look at Xiaomi, unless there's a software exploit, boot security is permanently gone. The only choice you have is to buy Google™ Pixel© or OnePlus™ device since only these two vendors somewhat allow their useds extended security and alternative OS support.
Tank · 2021-12-15 00:51
>>18332 What about pinephone
Suicaca · 2021-12-15 05:13
Hardware backdoors have existed since at least the 90s.
Switch · 2021-12-18 17:59
>>18333 Horrible and buggy