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What follows is a notice that I've fallen too far behind in managing /sec/, and thus the quality has dipped too far below what I deem acceptable. To correct this, I'll be using a very harsh option, and will in a week or so begin removing entire threads I deem low quality. I expect I may end up deleting pages of threads, as many of the threads here have always been below what I'd expect. Share your thoughts and complaints below.

>>17952 i'm fine with it, there's a lot of low-effort stuff on this subject and skiddies who can't rtfm/into google-fu. my only concern is that a lot of lower-level discussions can get borderline schitzo, so i'd appreciate it if speculation threads got a little leeway.

>>17952 Not based. You can't declare quality posts and have content appear. I agree many of the threads seem to focus on the same thing - Tor is cyberhumped/Secure, Mobile Phone Security/Privacy. Deleting all content that doesn't meet standards will simply mean a blank board.

desperate times call for desperate measures to remove /g/ spammer soykaf brewers

I agree that /sec/ is a bit surface level and it's been pretty noticeable over the last year. I also think you'll eternally have the same problem with the board the Alchemists did. Everyone who has a security focused mindset is going to keep those things they know secure and especially so when talking to people in a similar mindset. There needs to be at least some surface level soykaf in order to "break the ice" so to speak.

Exterminate with extreme prejudice

>>17952 Sound good. Low-effort threads are just awful, and simple questions belong in the questions thread.

>>17952 >don't put effort into posts because mods might randomly delete soykaf with no warning >somehow this will increase quality lainchan never learns

First I apologize for the english mistakes. I heard about lainchan (and sushichan) over a year ago, while browsing a "/g/'s links" thread, needless to say I've found those much more enjoyable than the permanent consoomer hell and general trolling/idiocy concentrate that is /g/. Now about that purge, I'm talking about the technical knowledge requirements of things. I'm doing cybersec studies so I can read most threads without looking wikipedia up every two posts, but I take new people interested in the field or simply into cyberpunk things and curious about its culture will have a hard time understanding discussions (or take part in) if the enforced technical quality is too high. Howerver I reckon that creating a thread and asking to be spoonfed ("tell me how to XXX" and the likes) content is not desirable. Why not make some permanent "ask away sticky thread" to cater to this. Essentially this >>17961. Apart from this I feel like there is too much thread about privacy with the usual rambling, I'd like to see more about actual security things, (and practical things, little experiments). I'm not asking for maths or bit by bit dissections of protocols, but just something a bit more about what is, why it is and how, instead of "do you think balblabla". Not sure if I'm very clear and maybe I haven't lurked enough to get the culture right but it's frustrating to enter a thread, expecting to learn something and just get thrown buzzwords and vague explanations (all mixed in schizo soykaf). For instance I find /hum/ always stimulating for some reason, maybe there's something to be learned off of them. All in all it's a pretty good board though. Despite what I said, topics are pretty diverse and most people know their soykaf. I especially like the "educational" topics where learning resources are shared.

A lot of threads here could just be made into generals honestly. Many individual threads asking similar but not quite questions about the same topics. It'd be easier to organize. Is there a way to at least merge some posts into a new thread? >>17962 Same soykaf different day

Why just sec though Lainon's posting quality has been a bit anorectal recently.

>>17952 First of all, thanks for the heads up so I know to save threads which are important to me. Second of all, be careful deleting soykaf. This place is already dead as fuarrrk. Don't get carried away deleting soykaf like power-crazed R*ddit mods. Laincahn is one of the highest quality places to post about hacking on the dark net that I know. Yes, lainchan has had an influx of /g/ tourists recently. Things like Piracy and IMSEI spoofing are being discussed on /sec/. It seems fine to me. >>17953 This. Deleting threads will do the opposite of making quality threads.

>>17952 Hello, moderator. First of all, thank you for giving community feedback, and for allowing us the opportunity to connect with you. I would like to respectfully share my thoughts as a refu/g/ee who discovered lainchan in the last year. Sorry for the essay, but if you wanted feedback then here it is. >Who am I? I'm an high-skiddie-tier hacker.I left /g/ because of all the pedophile loliposters. As someone interested in cybersecurity, /g/ was also extremely unsatisfying to my hunger for knowledge. Talking about cybersec on /g/ often gets you called a glowie, seldom gets a relevant response, and is just overall bad. Eventually, even the cyber/sec/ threads on /g/ became soykaf and that's when I read that we migrated here. >The content quality of /sec/ As a newbie here, I was actually pleasantly surprised at the high level of hackerman-tier content compared to /g/ and R*ddit. Being allowed to post here with TOR must be a big factor, because actual offensive security gets discussed here. Anyway, I understand it is your viewpoint that the quality has gone down recently. >>Piracy Hacking and piracy kind of go hand in hand. Ripping videos from webpages designed to protect them is hacking. You can find viruses by pirating too, so we should probably have a thread on the security-related side of piracy. I think we've all had to resort to pirating some non-FOSS software at some point. Then again, I would also understand if you don't want piracy discussions here. If you take the piracy threads down, I won't be sad. There's not much in them anyway. They went better in my head. >>TOR People need to be aware. I know this has been asked and answered, and the DNM Bible exists, but we should have a TOR/Privacy resource general. We should always have a TOR thread up. >>Mobile There is a lot of good information in multiple mobile threads. I participated and took notes on those discussions. They have helped me significantly. I will be VERY upset if you nuke any of the mobile threads that have actual technical discussion in them. With that said, there are a bunch of mobile threads up, most of them are just retard-tier questions like "muh flip phone". I request that you leave up the threads on IMEI/IMSI spoofing and mobile hacking/wardriving up. It would be better if all these discussions were consolidated. >>Just Google it Bro Unironically Google Dorking general is wholesome >>Low-level schizo threads Anytime we're talking about any privacy or safety, the schizos show up. People get triggered by ignorant schizo comments, but if anything we should be helping everyone including the schizos themselves by dispelling schizo myths. However, there are a bunch of threads right now which are almost pohl tier with how bad they are. If you're going to delete anything, start with those.

Hey mod I know it's your board so you'll do as you want, but I went ahead and created a visual representation of my general idea of what's good and what's bad about the board. I've read almost all these threads. I check them daily for updates. I'm a pretty active lurker. >Green Dot Green Dot threads are the best quality ones. The discussion topic is technical by nature. The best replies are attracted to the green dot threads. Those threads have the most amount of valuable information in them, and deleting even a few of these threads will probably greatly upset people. I know it will upset me, and I'm one of the most active posters on this board ever since I decided to leave /g/ and not come back. >Yellow Dot Yellow Dot represents threads which have the potential to have quality discussion, but the topics are also very niche focused. Also, yellow discussions have a higher probability to go off-topic and attract schizos. >Red Dot These are schizos, political posters, awfully phrased questions, and schizo-tier redundancy. There are redundant and awful phone privacy questions which have been asked and answered in other threads. I strongly suggest you start with the red ones.

>>17975 Here is the screenshot, sorry for forgetting

>>17976 >friendly reminder thread vague body, garbage >What the fuarrrk? Nice thread subject, I don't even know what they're talking about >Wifi2 password brute force >Windows 10 privacy edition Literally just use Youtube to run a debloat script >People bitching their ISP blacklisted them for botting ...etc If you're gonna delete stuff, pls delete the garbage first. All I'm saying

>>17976 this, but leave the protonmail thread

Delete all the bs privacy threads and how to stay anonymous, or force it to be one singular general thread

>>17978 Agreed, its important people know the truth

>>17952 >deletes random posts deemed to be low quality >doesn't explain what constitutes as low quality many such cases on imageboards out there. sad.

>>17963 This is a good post. Some types of threads need to be decreased in volume and/or turned into a handful of generals, and some questions that recur too often could be routed into a newbie questions thread. Aspects of /g/'s hellscape also need to be prevented from infecting the site- I swear I saw a soyjak on this site one time. It was soykaff.

>>17985 >Aspects of /g/'s hellscape also need to be prevented from infecting the site This. I've been seeing a lot more /g/ tier posting. It's not just affecting /sec/, the quality of lainchan's content as a whole is going downhill

Unpopular opinion: quality never existed on lainchan in the first place and 99% of lainbots are just redditors who only have installgentoo tier knowledge.

>>17952 If it's possible to merge similar topic threads, please do so. Also, clean their copies splattered around /tech/. The problem lies more in presentation of the board itself, what a person sees when visiting, first page with last 10 threads on it. If there was a default catalog view, or OP posts list, that would have been better in exposure. Although default catalog view doesn't seem to help nanochan, but that's another story. This board suffers from very vague unelaborate topics, like OP copied a click bait article off buzzfeed and brought it here. Whether it's done out of malice, trolling or genuine naivety of the poster is out of my comprehension. And if possible, please add a language enhancer for spelling TOR capitalized. I know, it's a clean way to filer out retards with a script on my side, but if you ignore and never teach them anything, they'll never learn. Also please consider proposing to group tech boards into their own overboard like /cult/, mega is filled with threads from hum and drg.

Add: would be nice if you changed all these /g/astarbeiter >anons into lains

These kind of threads need to be streamlined. >>17136 >>16440 >>15446 >>16851 >>17018

For transparency I would appreciate you noting those to be deleted ahead of time. Even if you ignore the responses, I think it's in the best interest for transparent decision making, and for examples of what not to do. Thank you for raising a thread to discuss this.

>>17968 >>17953 > This. Deleting threads will do the opposite of making quality threads. Deleting the soykaf threads after archiving them on archive.org as read-only would be just fine.

>>17952 Also consider that the hacking resources thread is full of malware laced PDFs

We should have a sticky for the non-technical and noobs whose only /sec/ experience is seeing nordVPN ads on youtube. This would be a valuable pubic service for the curious but un-informed (or even purposefully mis-informed), as well as cut down on samey boring shallow threads. Do lains agree? What should go in a /sec/ sticky?

>>18014 >what is libgen see >>17993 I swear

dl them from where they probably came from if you're afraid lains are trying to get you, that is. there is no realistic way to know which pdfs have malware, deleting them all is also retarded. people who can't even open a pdf without getting owned deserve getting owned. there was even a thread

as a noob in infosec i fine with it, i do browse /sec/ to learn new stuff, i was having lots of problems with the low level posts lately

>>17952 Please if the mod is reading this, can you please sticky the learning material thread? https://lainchan.org/sec/res/6.html I’m poor and started learning this from a toaster netbook and an old Android Samsung phone. Please do not let this thread die, I have no other resources and am operating from a McDonald’s WiFi. I can’t evens save the page since my netbook is so old. I wish I can donate but I’m literally poor; this is my only outlet for learning security material here

The bar got really low across the board recently(pun intended). I would suggest a quarantine for new threads, like have them not delete old threads until they have a good number of posts or so. Seriously one liner threads are a no go and have 0 effort in them most of the time, if atleast the images had some value. The ones on 4chan were atleast remotely funny, a lot of one liner threads should just go to /dev/null straight away..

>>18047 >can’t evens save the page since my netbook is so old Nigga what. Is this some kind of LARP? Ctrl+S, bitch wget2 -E -H -k -K -p https://lainchan.org/sec/res/6.html https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/single-file/

>>17969 >I left /g/ because of all the pedophile loliposters. And the darknet discussing lain worshiping shrine is the first place you took refuge?

>>18020 >>18014 Can someone link a malware laced PDF please for my analysis? Also if your PDF viewer has no JavaScript it protects you, right?

>>18076 >Dark Net The stuff we talk about isn't even illegal or is barely illegal. Glowies themselves do it and probably even post here. I don't even always use TOR. I don't care. It's cyber sec. All the ACTUAL illegal stuff like database leaks with Google get nuked. >lain worshipping fuarrrk anime

>>18080 >fuarrrk anime Leave Annie out of this, please. May we never speak about her again.

>>18079 Not sure if this is ironic >Can someone link a malware laced PDF please for my analysis? No one actually seems to have any serious evidence the PDFs here have malware. You may want to fish in some other seas or write your own. >Also if your PDF viewer has no JavaScript it protects you, right? If you don't care about your security much. Just use a machine virtual or not (preferably wrapped in foil) that will never have network

I was also wondering what happens to Lainchan this past year. Apparently skiddies got booted off 4chons mainframe big time: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Talk:/cyb/_%2B_/sec/_general:_Cybersecurity_%26_Cyberpunk Can someone confirm?

>>18096 I used to frequent these generals quite often when they were thriving and on fullchan with the /cyber/ board before it died. Both of these places were alive during a similar time period. I want to say the death of fullchan and /g/ declining into advertising and mods being soykaf killed both of those communities. The "purge" they claimed to have happened around 2021 was much earlier, but at that point the threads were basically on life support due to the infighting as noted in that articke (the push for more job posting and the culture posters dying as a result of being unwelcoming). As for bans, one can get derezzed off of /g/ just by simply making fun of mods or posting an opinion/topic they don't like, which happens often. I've gotten derezzed for discussing site hosting for example. Though it's strange because if they did dislike cybsec as a topic they would ban every general instead of just regulars. Maybe they soykafposted too hard in other threads but it would be hard to prove. The regulars probably just have better or other soykaf to do besides keeping a general alive in a hostile environment, sadly. I wouldn't consider this specific general dying the reason for Lains /sec/ to be declining. This sites constantly promoted all over the web from Twitter to Reddit. It's no surprise you'll get an influx of newbies asking stupid things because of that.

>>18096 the sec threads on 4chan die because 90% of the threads are people asking what certs they should get, and its too slow to last on a fast board like /g/. a lot of generals suffer this fate especially on boards where 100 brewing soykaf threads are posted every hour

>>17952 >removing entire threads I deem low quality. Why not bumplocking instead, with option to call on mod to re-instate if there's interest / wrong thread bumplocked?

>>17953 >neurosuggesting Google-Fu actually works anymore The art has been dead for almost a decade

>>18101 >cyberpunk generals on g are soykaf Yee my nigga. They soykaf for real. There was at least good information and download links on the wiki at some point, but I don't know if any of it is even there anymore. >certs I hears them certs help in cybersec careers, but theys be surely over-discussed. >nothing good being discussed on the general At first I wondered why, but there are glowies there. Here too, clearly. At least you can use TOR to post here. A good hacker probably isn't going to post on /g/ to be honest, even R*ddit is better >or on /g/ at all Sooner or later, someone on /sec/ on 4chan said that we are all migrating here, so I left. Additionally, I stopped hanging out on /g/ after it became overran by pedophiles flooding lolis and soykaf. Someone needs to do the Lord's work and put those 'people' down already.