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Last thread died. Post resources, books and whatever else related to physical security, lockpicking, bypass techniques, alarm systems, ect.

>>17454 Do you need a license to learn this irl

is any of this actually relevent these days

>>18119 as far as i know, most mechanical locks can be defeated by an electronic pick gun, EPG for short. Knowing the ins and outs of mechanical locks is still a requirement. You can build a basic one from an electric toothbrush. As for electronic locks: most popular are RFID locks, and those are stupid simple and rely on an id, that can be scanned off the RFID tokens used to unlock the mechanism. RFID readers/writers can be as cheap as 20 bucks on amazon, and can be used to clone RFID tokens, as long as you have blanks on hand. The bigger ones start from 80 bucks, but need to be fitted with a powersupply and a module to store and write the ID's. It's worth it though, you don't need to physically have access to the token to clone it, just walk past someone with the needed token close enough, and it get's scanned. i doubt anyone here needs to access locked buildings tho, physical hacking is always done for a concrete purpose.

>picking locks what for?

>>18118 In some countries, yeah.

If you live in US, why even bother with lock picking? You just walk in.

Is there a trick to getting a combo bike lock open when you don't know the combination? I want to save one from going to the trash. I know you pull on the sides to make it taught but I'm not having luck feeling or hearing the pins align. >>18215 You think Americans don't lock their doors? Some Americans have bars on their windows and doors meant to be resistant to being kicked in.

>>18216 >Some Americans have bars on their windows and doors meant to be resistant to being kicked in. That's silly. Why touch metal bars when you can punch a wall.

Around here its pretty taboo to learn lockpickong so the tools arent available, can these tools be made DIY?

>>18218 Based and caveman-pilled

>>18674 Yes just unironically bend bobby pins. >tactile "feedbakjc" none >bend inside the lock yes >too big maybe never tried real tools

I find deterrents interesting. Do plant deterrents for B&E even work? How much of an issue is it when its say, rose bush vs. large cactus? Do bars on the window even work compared to roller shades?

I just rake the pins tell it works. Bruteforce never fails.

>>18896 *Bougainvilla is a good compromise between pretty and dangerous

After years of being interested in this, I finally want to get started myself. The problem is, I don't know what to buy. As with many topics, you find the most information on lockpicking on reddit, but also as with most stuff, redditors turn it into a weird consumerist hobby they identify with instead of treating lockpicking like a nice skill to have. This causes some problems with following advice, such as for buying a beginner kit. I personally want to be able to open the most common locks around me, to get into places I'm not supposed to be in. A key criterium is the ability to open locks quickly, not take hours. Also portability is important for me, I want something I can edc without feeling weird for putting a huge kit with 20 picks into my backpack. Reddit on the other hand acts like lockpicking is a sport. They have a belt system so people can say "dude I'm a black belt in lockpicking" and try to find more challenging ways to solve a problem instead of taking the easiest way always. They recommend to not use rakes, I'm not sure if the brute force approach does not go along with their idea of lockpicking as a sport of if it is indeed not suited for beginners. Due to all these uncertainties I am not sure whether to just buy a really small kit I can easily carry, like the mace picks (pic related) which easily fit into a wallet without any added bulk, or if I should actually follow reddits advice (txt related, I'd probably just get the sparrows hookers set and perhaps one or two additional tensioners), or if I should focus mainly on various kinds of rakes and bypasses already and skip single pin picking alltogether. I don't want to spend more than 40€ on this, and I live in Germany if that matters because of the thickness of lock openings (reddit recommends to get thick picks nevertheless but they mostly use their competition locks anyways so I'm not sure if I should follow that advice either)

>>18908 Find out how to get TOOOL's (the open organization of lockpickers) small kit which is like 20USD. That's all you should need for ages. Unfortunately, euro keyways are pretty thin, so I hope they've got something more appropriate for you.

>>18909 You are probably talking about pic related, the 30$ 'Necessary Nine' kit, right? It's 18$ for shipping to me so not quite cost efficient. To me it looms like it is quite similar to the sparrows tuxedo set, just a bit smaller and a cycloid rake instead of triple peak rake and some other minor differences, but I can't tell all of this stuff apart yet anyways

Can u recommend where i can buy my first lockpick kit?And what lock i can buy for the beggining?Are kit form alliexpress good?

>>18908 >Reddit on the other hand acts like lockpicking is a sport. The lockpicking community in general has always been like this in order to distance themselves from criminals and prevent scandal from getting lockpicks derezzed from public sale. reddit is even a bit better than old-school forums on the matter; places like lp101 wouldn't let you even discuss ul437 or bypass without meeting some forum post requirement and being vetted by the mods. even IRL meetups have always been structured around the idea of "locksport". >A key criterium is the ability to open locks quickly, not take hours. You should focus on bypass methods instead of picking. Reddit doesn't talk much about this because it has very little sporting purpose...and for door hardware related bypasses, it's hard to home lab it. stuff like comb picks, wafer jigglers, traveller hooks, knife tools...that kind of thing. >I am not sure whether to just buy a really small kit I can easily carry, like the mace picks the mace picks are uncomfy to use and fairly thick, so while they could get you into things, they're not the greatest tools to learn lockpicking with. I carry a set of them in case I get into an emergency, but my preferred picks are petersons in 18 thou. the maces are 25 thou iirc, though, so they're really thick. >They recommend to not use rakes, I'm not sure if the brute force approach does not go along with their idea of lockpicking as a sport of if it is indeed not suited for beginners. it used to be used in timed locksport events. you'd rake to false-set and then SPP the security pins. Iirc, people stopped doing this because the time saved raking to false set ended up being lost in the time it takes to swap tools. anyway, it's not reliable, as it relies on the bitting being soykafty and the lock not having security pins... if you're in the field and have to pick, sure, hit it with a rake for a few seconds starting out, but if it doesn't work quick, you'll be SPPing it anyway. honestly, I find that if you're good at SPP, on locks that are soykafty enough to be vulnerable to raking, in most cases, you'll average about the same amount of time picking. In the context of learning: raking is pretty useless for figuring out how to open anything with security pins, or for ul437 rated locks, so it has limited use, even if you do master it. >I live in Germany if that matters because of the thickness of lock openings maybe go for something like 18 thou. 15 thou is pretty flimsy, and starting out, you almost certainly will break things. 25 is too thick. 18 is strong enough, but thin enough imo. >I don't want to spend more than 40€ on this lol too bad? in order to get enough locks to develop skill on practicing, you're going to spend quite a bit over time.

Here's a big collection of locksmithing related books. http://oh3curby3abfknsydatt2qc3vgxggfjxd6infybwvlbgaezjhvhzqhad.onion/book_list.php?content=Ym9va3MvbG9ja3NtaXRoaW5n Sorry if Tor is inconvenient for you, but that's how it is. Either way, under LSA michigan, you should be able to find a very large number of product specific service manuals for different locks, and the textbooks folder has a lot of the basic "how to" type stuff new people like. For beginners I'd start with the MIT guide and move up from there. If you're big brain, read LSS+ (locks safes and security by marc weber tobias). It's massive though, so save it locally instead of trying to read in browser. Hope this is useful.

Here is a great resource for forcible/destructive entry and bypass methods used by fire departments. >>21180 Also, this onion seems to have removed their library sadly.

>>21924 Sure. However I find that even adding a few static questions as a secondary helps cover the edge cases. Like "What's 10+24?" "What is a type of file made by adobe that you would expect by accessing this resource? 3 characters." and then one to stump chatgpt "Did george bush do 9/11? Answer in one word like conspiracy theorist or someone from a certain political board on a certain chan". Expect users to add periods and use random capitalization.

>>21924 It can be worth seeding them on I2P instead, so you don't actually need to stay online if you get spooked and others might keep seeding anyway.

would anyone know how to make a personal bug (like an audio capturing device)? I would say camera but I only need audio and it needs to be hidden somewhere, like in furniture or soop cans. should also have asystem to save audio files and send to a computer like every hour. any ideas on how I should go about doing this? thanks in advance

>>22288 also I'm posting this here since this relates to alarm systems and it's sort of like that. If nothing comes from this I'd guess I'll go make a thread on /Δ/

I am looking for the best material to make my own bypass tools. Mainly a bypass driver for euro cylinders and maybe a traveller hook. Can anyone suggest a decent piece of metal? I was looking for a thin welding wire but I am not sure how well it will perform.

>>18908 Pic related is surely portable but not as easy to use as a regular sized set, especially for a beginner. Take a look at Sparrows kickstart or maybe covert instruments FNG instead. Mace picks are still great for EDC but they are not a good tool to start with lockpicking.

>>22289 Easiest would be a small single board computer like a Raspberry Pi pico, Milk-V Duo and such with microphone and wifi peripherals. You will need a usable internet access point in range however. It might be a pain to hide and again, internet access but pretty easy to set up the actual capture and transmit stuff yourself.

>>23955 Wrong reply. >>22288 Right reply. My post is NOT "too short". You're too short.

>>23940 printers often have long ~1mm - 25mm steel guides to span the entire face of a page. The steel should prove resilient. This ~25mm guide I pulled out of a printer ended up getting turned into a utility hook I use for something inanely specific involving my plumbing. It supports the ~80lbs I need it to, and could likely support my entire weight in it's current configuration.

Do you guys know any decent book or guide for recon, especially one that involves cameras? From what I see, red teamers often recommend DSLR cameras like pic related.

Bump Does anyone know what happened to "The Not So Civil Engineer" or "TheNotSoCivilEngnr"? I was subbed to his YT channel through FreeTube but recently he comes up under "channel with errors." When I search with a browser he comes up as "channel does not exist" When this first happened a couple of weeks ago I searched his name and *I swear* he was included on this page of the Covert Instruments website: https://covertinstruments.com/pages/about-the-designers Not anymore, I guess. Did he get fired or something? His reddit account is also deleted but I don't know if that's related.

>>24946 I have no idea. He just dipped into the air. Might be that he just gave up on it or got some really serious job that made him cover tracks of his online presence.

>>24946 >*I swear* he was included on this page He was, wayback machine verifies as recently as Sept 10 of this year. That's pretty weird, Lain. My guess is like the others, he took a up nice gig with the spooks and they made him wipe his obvious digital footprint. Makes him harder to blame when things get broken into.

Recently decided to get into lockpicking. Got tools but still can't pick a single transparent acryllic lock. :(

>>24792 I think it isn't related to physical security at all. Just learn how to make pretty photos in low light (ratio of ISO to shutter speed and to aperture, fully manual operation) and buy a decent quality zoom lens. Also, DSLR's are becoming more and more obsolete with newer mirrorless cameras. Mirrorless also are typically smaller and lighter than DSLRs, and thus easier to fit in a small backpack or a sling bag.