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Is it possible to anonymize yourself while using a mac? I know that apple is spooky with tracking their users, but to what extent can I stay anonymous with a mac? I'm not too worried that apple has some if my data, just that my OS is secure and won't sell em out to the fads

>>15625 > I'm not too worried that apple has some if my data, just that my OS is secure Leaking your data makes an OS per definition insecure. Nobody can tell you how secure your data is, because it is no longer on your own computer protected in a way you choose but also on apple's servers. Maybe they don't sell it to feds today but they won't delete your data. Maybe they don't have backdoors and purposefully placed vulnerabilities yet but in a year the price is high enough to sell them. The answer is, you and we all have no idea if it is secure so you shouldn't trust it. But please stop making threads like these, the answer is obvious and you know it yourself. Just stop acting like you care about security if you insist on using a mac for stupid reasons.

no, it's a compromised device. get a different box to do anonymous stuff on or accept your fate.

>>15625 >Is it possible to anonymize yourself while using a mac? No, MacOS is a proprietary OS hosted on proprietary and backdoored hardware. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html

Macs already handle wireless anonymity far better than on any linux/windows system. Apple randomizes the link-local ipv6 address by default (ipv6 contains your MAC) and also have the option to randomize the hardware MAC for phones/tablets/computers. On linux, there are some hacky ways to randomize the ipv6 local address. >can I stay anonymous with a mac? Macs already anonymize you by default if you use public wifi connections unlike linux/windows that don't even do this by default (even if you randomize your macs they will still appear in your ipv6 https://ben.akrin.com/?p=1347). You can stay anonymous with any device but that depends on your level of care. >that apple has some if my data I mean some people already has apple's data leaks too so it's no longer a matter of trust, it can't be trusted. > just that my OS is secure and won't sell em out to the fads Except your OS appeared to have had a history of it spying a journalist's iMac before (or it might be some organization which used an exploit). If you're doing things like music production I'm sure you can trust Macs more than a Windows system on protecting your intellectual properties.

https://github.com/objective-see?tab=repositories also, macs have pf

>>15625 you are way better off on a mac and macOS than pretty much any other mainstream consumer device. people HATE to hear this but this is the truth. Apple makes thei rmoney by selling you the hardware not by turning you into a marketing product like Google and Microsoft to an extent. the same people that accuse apple of being "overpriced" fail to understand that the same apple greed makes them very protective of their assets which includes user data.

>>15675 >Apple makes thei rmoney by selling you the hardware not by turning you into a marketing product like Google and Microsoft to an extent. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223 >Apple may share personal data with service providers who act on our behalf, our partners, or others at your direction. >We may also process your personal data where we believe it is in our or others’ legitimate interests, taking into consideration your interests, rights, and expectations. (Which legally means nothing.) >Apple does not use algorithms or profiling to make any decision that would significantly affect you without the opportunity for human review. (As long as there is human review, no problem.) >We may collect: account information, device information, device location, usage information, health information, ..., financial information, government ID data, other information you provide to us >We use information about your browsing, purchases, searches, and downloads. These records are stored with IP address, a random unique identifier (where that arises), and Apple ID when you are signed in to the App Store or other Apple online stores. (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210584) (Other apps contain similar or even worse statements in their privacy policies) Nothing spooky to see here. In addition: >Long privacy policies, on top of other privacy policies that for some unknown reason aren't in the same place as the original one (for example, https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/ and every single item item of https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/). Apple's main page for privacy is just advertisement, getting to the real (legal) privacy policies is a bit more tricky since the links to them are in places that are not obvious. You also need to go to their website to get the privacy labels for preinstalled apps which for some reason don't show where you would normally expect them to be. Also their labels are much more lenient since they are considered "first party" and therefore by the definition they gave in the privacy policy, this does not constitutes as tracking. They distort the definition to the point where they consider the Advertising Identifier to be a non personal identifier, even though it is unique and what third party developers use to track you. Another example of that distortion is: >Apple generally treats data we collect using these cookies and similar technologies as nonpersonal data. I expect anyone that reads this and thinks this is somehow coherent to be insane or ignorant. >We do not share personally identifiable information Whose meaning they themselves defined (do not forget that data collected using cookies, pixel data, et cetera isn't included). Methods for deanonymization of data aggregates today are also very precise, therefore to an extent this doesn't really matter. They also have very lenient rules regarding user location as long as the app that collects it "deanonimyzes" it and makes it coarse (according to them, "Information that describes the location of a user or device with lower resolution than a latitude and longitude with three or more decimal places"), but not only (as I have already stated) it is easy to deanonimyze data aggregates, but also your geolocation is practically a personal identifier, the pattern of places you approximate at a given time is unique. >Disabling apple advertisement ID They still use your apple ID for advertisements on their own platform. They are just giving themselves preferential treatment over other advertising platforms. And all of that is just scratching the surface of apple's privacy policy. I'm not saying that Google or Facebook are better. I'm arguing that Apple is just as bad.

>>15683 Apple not only sells hardware to average consumer but also technology/standards they have developed to most tech companies (usb-c to name one of many). >>15675 >people HATE to hear this but this is the truth. This is the absolute truth. I would prefer using apple if I happen to do film/music production that pays royalties than using some M$ junk with the gaping-hole unpatched remote desktop vulnerabilities they don't plan on fixing (and even M$ password reset recovery-dvd trick that's still up and kicking up to win10 and even probably the future and beyond!). Who on their right mind would want a device that gets pwned by itself without user interaction and just by receiving rogue soykaf from 1900 137 138 139 445 3020 7680 3544 (to name a few)? It's beyond usable, you need to be crazy to think your router isn't infected yet with mirai-fork botnets and that it won't be using the RDP or NB ports to install cryptomalware over your already junk OS. Apple even knew about issues with wireless and early adopted AX and 802.11w to their ecosystem just to avoid the gaping hole hardware that is WiFi.

>>15688 >Apple not only sells hardware to average consumer but also technology/standards they have developed to most tech companies (usb-c to name one of many). Although I don't know how that is related in any way to what was being discussed (privacy in a consumer level), I do not have enough knowledge about that to disagree or agree with you. All I know is that their products aimed at consumers are soykaf, both at hardware level (with flaws that could only have been produced by utter incompetence or planned obsolescence, with little no coverage and transparency) and at privacy level. And they have been making independent repair of devices harder while providing no improvement to their own system, which is basically forces you to just get a new device. And what makes it worse is that other companies follow Apple's decisions. I can understand using Apple for security reasons and if you are an artist/producer/etc, however I see no valid reason to use it as a consumer. Also since their hardware is soykaf you are better off using a hackintosh (either as an OS or in a virtual machine) if you are dependent on Apple's software. If you are not just use Linux. >MacOS is better than Windows. Yes, but generally people that choose to use windows use it either because they have grown too accustomed to Windows or because they like to play games, which is much easier in Windows and you can't just build your own PC with the specs you want and slap it with macOS (unless, as I said, you make it a hackintosh).