Phones and privacy

I have seen a lot of concers about smartphones on this board, but never really a thread about it, so here it comes. It's no secret that every major phone on the market is collecting your data in some sense, but luckily quite a few phones has come out that are more friendly towards privacy and security. From what I've found, the most talked about ones are: (split by privacy and security) Privacy: The /e/OS Fairphone3+ It runs a de-googlified version of android and the /e/Foundation generally states that their OS limites data tracking and also warns you when apps are trying to track you. The enviromentally friendly aspect of the Fairphone is ofc also a plus. The Librem 5 The amount of things Purism has promised in their new linux phone is honestly startling and I won't be listing all the details here since there's so many. In general the Librem seems like the perfect phone, but they have trouble delivering units, and I have yet to read reviews that can support Purisms claims. The Pine64 PinePhone This one seems like a hobby project more than a phone. Pine64 states that they want to create a market for linux-phone, but I couldn't find any interesting features from either their website or reviews. Security: Finney Phone: Solaris jumped from their 13k$ luxury security phone to the Finney thats actually affordable for the average person. Finney runs standard android, but claims high degrees of security. The main feature of the phone is a cold crypto-wallet, that seems a bit redundant IMO, given the current state of crypto, but I can see how it can be usefull Blackberry Theres quite a few generations of BLackberry and state leaders have been seen using their services, both their secure communications and their hardware. All the above phones have in common that their hardware specs are subpar compared to Samsung or Apple flagships, which of course is a tradeoff for the added security. Personally I'm leaning towards a Fairphone due to the enviromental aspect of the phone, but I'm curious what other lainanons think? What are your experiences with privacy/sec-focused phones?

>>15446 https://grapheneos.org/

>>15446 I hadn't heard of the Fairphone until your post. I just went to their website and was looking into it from there. I wasn't personally impressed. However, I'm not really looking to use android and iOS will never be a viable option to anyone here hopefully. I can understand that you're willfulness to support them based on their environmental aspects, nothing wrong with that all. I remember reading about the Librem 5 years ago and just have been disappointed about the development hell it seems to have been in for years now. I agree with in their claims making it sound like the "perfect phone", I too haven't seen any reviews that can support their claims as well. As far as the PinePhone, it's honestly one of two phones that I'm interested in. I really love the fact that it has privacy switches which would is considered the highest selling point to my personal tastes. Sadly, every single time I visit their website they are sold out. Not sure what other avenues I should take to attempt to acquire one. Now the other phone I've been interested in is the Pyra. It's more of a handheld device that runs Debian and has lots of claims for open-source and full privacy. Here's a link on more information on it. https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/

I bought one of those silent pocket things and I keep my dumbphone in there for emergencies.

>>15447 I think there isn't any debate about how grapheneos works well and does what it alludes to, but having to buy a jewgle brand device to install it is like kicking dead whales down the beach and undeniably the developer and owner of graphene together with the other copperhead guy are literal manchildren, which makes me question whether anyone should really buy into grapheneos

>>15450 First off the developers being manchildren doesn't mean they haven't done good work in the project. I do think they should just stay the fuarrrk off social media though, and focus on their projects. Secondly, the reason that a Google Pixel is used is very clear, it allows them to focus on a small few devices, rather than hundreds, which creates a significantly superior security focus. Also the Titan M chip. They have also stated they are open to supporting other devices, but need more help from the community to do so. I get where you're coming from, in the sense of not wanting to financially support Google at all, but you're not running anything Google in the end, besides the name of the phone. You could in theory buy a second-hand Pixel if you wanted. GrapheneOS is very solid, and the developers do good work on it. Imo Copperhead and Calyx fall below Graphene as far as security goes currently.

>>15446 >>15448 Fairphone 3+ user here. For its price its specs are kinda low and the cam is total trash, even the better one on the 3+. However the rest is pretty nice: no meme shape, spares easily available and easy to replace (only screws, no glue), replaceable battery, and great support for lineage and /e/. Note that because made to be easy to dismantle its not waterproofed. It still can support rain tho. So if you don't care about taking photos or doing anything computationally intensive with it; basically just use it as a phone / internet machine and thin client for banking, email and IM on the go its close to perfect (for me its just lacking ruggedness).

>>15446 personal opinion incoming: Privacy concerns are valid, but privacy products are a meme. When i see products that pander to the people who are concerned for their privacy, i can't help to wonder, why people think that these products will help them. I do not trust anything commercialized, that claims to miraculously solve a problem. I believe that, to achieve privacy, we have to walk the extra mile, and sacrifice convenience for safety. Some of the things that i do to provide an extra layer of security and privacy is: -creating fake accounts for browsing -never releasing private info online -using public free VPNs to obfuscate traffic. most important for this thread: -i use my smartphone mostly for browsing, as to not turn on my main machine. -i use standalone devices for smartphone functions: an old cellphone for calls and sms, a cheap mp3 player for music. -also, i do not put any privacy related data on my smartphone, and as such don't run the risk of being identified and milked for data. throw convenience in the trash, Chummers. Embrace the dark corners of the new age.

>>15451 to expand on this it's not like all the graphene devs are autistic or legitimately mentally ill but daniel almost certainly is, on the IRC most devs are chill and friendly