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Do you know of any techniques on how to fool CCTV? I live in eastern european country and it's not that bad in terms of quantity of city cameras. I was thinking about creating a map based on google maps or something where people would be able to tag both public and private cameras on the streets and which way they look but i don't think that's possible to have complete and updated map of that... Personally I think the only way to fool cctv is to blend in the crowd somehow, look absolutely unsuspicious, maybe carry a bag with some clothes to change and a different bag so you can change it aswell. I'm not planning to commit any crimes, im just curious Opinions? Ideas?

Hat with infrared LEDs on it in every direction (< pic related) Test the brightness of your LEDs on your camera before going out ganbate

>>1165 Not OP, but how consistent is this method? I'd imagine every camera picks up different amounts of light depending on the model or configuration. So where one camera would be blinded, another might just see a small dot of light.

>>1162 Based on openstreetlap lain, please. No soykaffy google services

>look absolutely unsuspicious Are you paranoid? CCTV gets analysed after crime, and is only used for crime. You dont wanna get Identified by CCTV, you cover your face and do whatever you are planning in the dark.

>>1162 > I was thinking about creating a map based on google maps or something where people would be able to tag both public and private cameras https://eyes.daylightingsociety.org/

How do you convince the general populous to start wearing surgical masks. Combined with a hat and sunglasses your identity can be hidden Would need a health spin like in Japan so gubberment doesn't ban them

>>1197 >>CCTV gets analysed after crime >neurosuggesting today CCTV aren't connected to local/regional/national secret service >neurosuggesting facial recognition isn't turned on 24/7 >neurosuggesting they aren't tracking you always for sake of "preventing future crimes" We are living in 21st century anon. Everyone is a possible terrorist that can disrupt the status quo. THINK OF THE DAMN CHILDREN ANON.

>>1165 I personally wouldn't recommend the LED approach. IR lights does normally not trigger blink reflex and can damage someones eyes if they look straight in to it. This can result in issues with the authorities. After briefly researching the subject I decided to go with the retroreflective approach. The goal is to reflect visible and invisible light towards its source, thereby blurring the image without the need of batteries or LED:s. I've ordered a pair of GHOST:s (glasses with frame coated in highly reflective material) which claims to reflect the whole light spectrum for exactly this purpose from here: http://www.reflectacles.com/#product I haven't received them yet so I cannot comment on their authenticity but they are supposed to be almost completely mask the face from normal CCTV cameras and prevent facial recognition software from identifying you when photographed with normal high resolution cameras.

>>1210 Wouldnt some clothing on your head accomplish the exact same thing?

>>1212 If you mean normal clothing, then no. It would draw attention to you in meatspace. Where I live it's illegal to wear a mask in public places which would lead me to being arrested. Since the retroreflective approach only masks me in video recordings (they dont glow when looked upon with the naked eye, only through cameras), cops will not arrest me on the street. If you mean retroreflective clothing on your head, then sure. Provided that its reflective enough. However, I am not nearly clever enough to manufacture something like that myself and I have yet not seen anything other than glasses that use retroreflectivity for anti-surveillance on the market.

>>1215 I was more thinking if you do something at night, do these glasses even works in daylight? Also it sounds like it would be pretty easy to find out who bought these glasses if you dont take lot of care, it's kinda suspicious

>>1201 I downloaded the app and registered an username, but i don't see any camera registered anywhere in the world

To bring more importance to this, it's already 1984 in China: https://t.co/2JzaYYMZZX (Need to use twitter link because WSJ is behind a paywall, otherwise see https://pastebin.com/4KNMubfL). Facial recognition used to monitor how much toilet paper you use. Also already being used to catch jaywalkers. >Still to come: a police car with a roof-mounted camera able to scan in all directions at once and identify wanted lawbreakers. Researchers at the University of Electronic Science and Technology of China in Sichuan province have developed a working prototype. “We’ve tested it at up to 120 kilometers per hour,” said Yin Guangqiang, head of the university’s security-technology lab.

>>1215 >retroreflective clothing on your head You mean, like, a tinfoil hat? >>1209 >>1197 tbh, at this moment very much this Doesn't hurt to prepare, though. As far as the West is considered, the governments apparently don't give a fuarrrk too much (unless you write something raycis on a piece of paper or something); tracking-wise they are way behind the game in comparison to big data. If any of you is concerned that your government may go full China, but you still carry around a smartphone, have an Alphabet account or use their search engine or browser, use Facebook like most people do, or use a non-free OS, then you have your priorities wrong. Now, if a partnership between these companies and governments were to occur, we would be in a bretty deep soykaf. In some places, these arrangements are already starting to occur, though we know only of information suppression/crowd control being done by state actors through social media, not individual tracking. For now, CCTV is quite irrelevant. These solutions are highly abrasive, as in, the populace reacts strongly to them. Since it's accepted in China, then I presume that my observation is true only regarding the White populace. Also, they must not be cost-effective, since they are simply not being adapted as preventive measures. I would not be concerned with them too much on a day-to-day basis. >>1202 I presume that the governments would have no reason or intention to ban them; current legislation in a few places in Europe is aimed at specific phenomena and worded in a general way only to remain in line with secular principles behind these governments (I obviously don't need to elaborate further on that). Also, I seriously doubt that anyone would give you too much trouble for wearing a surgical mask even if it is illegal where you live. The police are not out to throw a fine or something at any weaboo they see. Any time an alarming strain of flu is noted with significance in the media, you would seem pretty normal in any bigger city in Europe. You wouldn't be the only one. Also, that would be when it would be more socially acceptable, since, apparently, we are not too worried with infecting other people. By the way, it would be the most likely way of the publicly worn surgical masks making their way to Europe. >>1162 https://xkcd.com/1105/ Really no one has addressed the issue of circumventing tracking resulting in being obvious everywhere you go as a guy with anti-tracking measures? If you carry a hat, glasses, or whatever, then all that needs to be done for your setup to become countereffective is for you to 1) take it off for a moment on camera, 2) be associated with other monitoring/tracking measures (which could include anything, from smartphones, card payments/cash-out operations, car with a license plate, to your entire route being on camera, providing whoever is interested in you with your address) or 3) be noticed by an actual human being and checked out, since, if any human would look at the CCTV image, they would instantly notice the shtick. There is no universal method to be CCTV invisible. Only deliberate, on a singular basis. If you are out to commit an illegal activity (a hypothetical one, say, the 3rd Reich had CCTV and you were out to save some Jews, I am not advocating anything that is currently illegal), then I would advise knowing your route and what parts of getting there, doing the deed, and getting home are on camera; wearing generic non-distinct clothing with a hood, sunglasses and whatever else makes you look cool (do not reuse the clothing), and not looking up at the cameras. >>1210 Out of curiosity, please give us an update on the glasses when you test them.

its 20xx, you can go to the doctor "doctor i think im a muslim woman" then you get to wear a burka which camouflages you.

>>1319 >how to get beaten up by stupid people

>>1165 That doesn't work with all cameras. Some places are using CCTV cameras with IR cut filters in areas that are generally illuminated, and occasionally you'll find "true day/night" cameras that have a mechanism to engage/disengage the IR cut filter depending on the situation. >>1316 >Really no one has addressed the issue of circumventing tracking resulting in being obvious everywhere you go as a guy with anti-tracking measures? I view obviously using anti tracking measures as less of a problem, unless those anti tracking measures are illegal. Sure people will recognize you and be able to spot you, but software won't and software can do much more than people for much lower cost.

>>1165 Or just wear a mask..

>>1341 I think this is what >>1316 meant. Having a white circle of light instead of a face still makes you trackable if you're the only guy in the city with a white circle of light instead of a face. Even by software. Anonymity needs company.

This is relevant. New research into AI identifying people wearing scarves/hats/sunglasses. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/06/ai_to_identify_protesters_in_disguise/ I know this thread is old but I don't see anything in the rules about necroposting

This is all such bullsoykaf. Every passing day the idea of joining a commune seems more promising. I love technology - I love the ideal it could be, and the ways it helps people connect with one another. But clearly this is going to way far and we now have no realistic way to stop this out-of-control train speeding right into a brick wall. It almost seems like the only thing left to do is move somewhere far away from all this crap and keep tech use to a minimum.. I don't even want to live in a world where people act like any of this soykaf is remotely 'normal'. The benefits of technology are being used to subtly push us into something akin to slavery. Even worse, because this slavery is a mental and physical one. I've become so nostalgic for the past, where people could talk and roam and express and be free knowing they weren't constantly being observed. Observation like that subconsciously affects the very way people think, speak and act and truly that is the goal here. Not gonna lie, I'm very scared for what the future is going to look like. It seems to me the golden age of technology and the internet is quickly coming to a close and we are about to enter a very dark time, where the human spirit is all but crushed.

>>1162 The camera is a sensor that picks up light, disrupt this and distort the light that is being received by the sensor, and you could be in luck. For the average individual, long sleeve shirts, gloves, long jeans, and a hat would greatly protect your identity. Don't do any suspicious actions, just conceal your identity with clothing, allow only the skin on your head to be visible to the outside world.

This WILL NOT fool cctv with an AI that automatically recognizes people. It can however fool a security guard who is looking at cctv manually, or even just a security guard or police in person. Basically it's a really simple but slightly counter intuitive psychological trick: Purposefully have one very distinguishing feature or maybe more, but be able to remove them and go grey man at any point. For example, say you get caught jumping barriers at a subway station, and you are wearing a very flamboyant jacket, and have a big tattoo of a cross on your face or something like that. you manage to escape but they put out a message to all staff to be on the look out for someone with those features. You just put the jacket in your bag, wipe off the fake tattoo that was drawn on your face with water soluble marker preferably in a place without cameras) and then continue on your way, preferably looking as generic as possible. Not 100% gonna work but it's just an interesting strategy. Not that I advocate doing anything illegal or using this method, just information worth spreading. Don't come crying to me if this doesn't work, there's always an element of luck.

>>1210 You could test that by going into an appliance store, the kind that has a row of cameras and screens set up. I think dust masks and cyclists' air filters are a good start, but they're working on realtime gait analysis, and integrated systems that would track you from camera to camera, so you'd have to find a place with no cameras and do a complete change, then take off in a different direction with a different walk, before taking your mask off, or any operator could just rewind and follow you all over the city until they see you put on the mask. And then take into account networked number plate recognition software, and cellphone tracking, and electronic purchase tracking...

>>2629 Gait analysis is pretty crappy though, ankle training weights or sand added into a backpack or shoes is enough to completely throw it off. The problem is mostly finding blind-spots and every other method of identification.

>>2381 The solution is pic related.

>>2645 We are humans after all

>>1197 CCTV gets analyzed 24/7 either by human or by algorithms. To think that existing methods wont be used against you is blatantly naiv

>>1195 You're right. It does depend on the cameras, and their quality. Stairwell cameras would be cheap and easy to trick, but PTZ lobby cameras and street corner cameras on a building might not be. t. Worked at a large commercial complex actively monitoring hundreds of cameras for 3 years. Also first time Lain here, hello lad(ie)s.

>>1197 >CCTV only gets monitored after the crime. From personal experience monitoring hundreds of CCTV cameras on 8 widescreen displays at a time with at least a dozen security guards at my disposal, I can confidently say you couldn't be more wrong.

Hi, here's your friendly lainon from China. Or in a way I prefer to say, from a major city somewhere in Asia under the jurisdiction of the government of People's Republic of China. We just recently confirmed that everyone lives in major cities are all fuarrrked up. Street-Level Mass Surveillance systems are deployed and running now, which tracks every vehicle, bikes and person. The EFF has warned (https://www.eff.org/sls) people in the US about Street-Level Mass Surveillance years ago, and it seems that it has been fully realized by the Big Brother here. Given their history of power abuse and no transparency, it is certainly the system has been used for nasty things. Combining it with the purposed upcoming Social Credit System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System), everyone's online and offline activity is going to be profiled and evaluated, and given something, such as a "reputation", "karma", "credit", "score" or "threat score" by the system. Don't ask me what exactly is the system, the system is largely unknown for now. We know its implications because we read the same major English news, no, at least for this one, it isn't Fake News. But we know Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba Group, the biggest online e-Commerce and shopping platform, said Big Data can be used to track people and identify those who purchased necessary materials of a bomb. What are your thoughts about it, lainons? Is this the end? Does it mean in the meatspace, nearly everyone in big cities is pwned on the street? As a reminder, all package deliveries requires your ID now according to the regulation, even NEETs can't escape. Is being a NEET and transfer your personality to the cyberspace the only way to avoid Street-Level Mass Surveillance? Does "your" government want the same thing?

>>2828 The united states has has remote biometric scanning in the public sector for years, I remember when this technology came out and it was being hailed as the future of shopping and all kinds of other access, it was being beta tested at a few gyms at the time.

>>2828 If those pics are real then they really need to hire better UI designers.

>>2833 Here's the full video: https://file.io/UdcaXk if you are curious. It seems like the timestamps inside the video are not consistent, it shows three different timestamps. I assume it is some sort of a Proof-of-Concept or a demo, but the actual system is being deployed. $ file Street-Level-Mass-Surveillance-in-China.mp4: ISO Media, MP4 Base Media v1 [IS0 14496-12:2003] $ ffmpeg -i Video: h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p, 852x480 [SAR 640:639 DAR 16:9], 159 kb/s, 15 fps, 15 tbr, 15360 tbn, 30 tbc

>>1162 The only way to stop them is to rock them. I mean you know throwing rocks at the camera or something similar. Probably water would work as well

>>2841 Edit: actually I think water will not work because they probably protected the cameras from rain

>>2837 the link 404s, would you mind reuploading please? >>2645 only if a significant number of people of all different shapes and sizes wear the same helmet/mask

>>2857 it is strange, I did set a long expiration time, or it just expired after the first download? Here's the same video from YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE1kA0Jy0Xg

>>2837 {"success":false,"error":404,"message":"Not Found"}

>>2880 >>2828 Okay first let me say, please be safe. Second let me say WHAT THE fuarrrk

There's an app to use your cellphone's camera flash to spot hidden cameras.

>>2829 burn your fingertips off with acid

>>1210 Any of you guys seen those kiddy "spy sunglasses" that let you see behind you? Is there any coating I could put on the GHOST's lenses to do that?

>>2915 this might seem like a good idea at first, but consider that you might need a job where you get fingerprinted, or even the fact that you dont have any would be a red flag to begin with, and warrant additional screening. Another place that this might be used: if, for example the specific location did not use 5G cell phone connections which amount to micro-relays at even intervals to make a grid and map peoples locations out, would be to identify users, and use alternate biomentrics to track and group select individuals >anon 1 walsk into building >building detects anon1 fingers and links to corporate finger database >information is tied to character1 whose gait information is being compiled and whose phone and other unshielded RFID/credit cards are being detected, and telecom corps use meshnets to identify surrounding devices >anon2 walks in next to anon1, >anon2 does not have fingerprints >anon 2 is assigned character2 who is flagged as having no identifiers >characters one and two are detected to be walking in close proximity (this is data compiled to "stop fights/ pre detect immenent malicious behavior") >now all of the data from character2 is assigned to anon1 as an associate (i.e. he associates with red flagged individual2). notes will be made to keep a future lookout for anything meeting those parameters. and im sure you can imagine that type of information use >>3212 one thing that i think ight be a diy is the use of acrylic to make custom glasses. in the first picture, you can se that the glasses just look like any ordinary acrylic frramed glasses with inset IR LED to radiate outward without looking like tacky glasses. some other materials that can be used to DIY aside from clear acrylic (which can be made into glasses shapes in a number of ways) would be tu make a base pattern for the glasses in a luminous material or a material that transfers light. examples would be strip LEDs that are integrated or placed in a glasses patern and then disguised as regular glasses, to the average observer they would just be a normal glasses pattern like the brand name IR glasses, but they could be made into almost any pattern of glasses, and you could even put prescription inserts if you made them in the same pattern as your regular glasses via a number of shape duplication methods or even 3D print a glasses pattern with a clear grid shape to act as a light guide by filtering a source of IR light

>>2828 I think the video is fake cause the match confidence remains high for questionable matches and all in english for chinese? Bet the video is made as advertisement for a system that in praxis is working way worse. If you are in doubt just look at current research in face-matching and you will find code and examples of performance. With a soykafload of people you always have plenty looking rather similiar. Always 90%+ confidence when both images aren't even good quality is ridicilous. The light thing is also stupid as a countermeasure- cameras can have IR filters which negates it completly. You just need to be caught by one camera with an IR filter and one without and you are flagged suspect with your face known for trying to hide it. It's just asking to get assfucked as the people watching don't know if you fuarrrk arround or plan soykaf.

>>3221 what about static or EMF jammers, questionable, but if you need to get from point a to b without getting identified, you could jam signals. alerting everyone to your position would be another matter, but you can build jammers or EMP generators for relatively cheap, the main reason nobody uses them is because usually there are laws against it, but if you're somewhere where the laws are so harsh that you would need to not be identified to live independently or free, it is a reasonable compromise as a last resort. think of it like CHAFF, everybody knows something is up, but they cant pinpoint the source. i guess you could even use pyrotechnics like smoke to hide location (far more obvious than an invisible EM field that screws with cameras) you could even have a drone programed to follow you in a serpentine fashion to avoid being obvious that would draw attention away from you or shield it from jamming and still jam cameras, since most are not shielded from anything except water if outside https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DknOK69I6Xw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRUtfJrbj4 https://www.electronicproducts.com/Power_Products/Power_Management/How_to_build_a_mini_EMP_generator_to_disrupt_electronics.aspx?id=200

>>1202 I am wearing one, mostly for when the temperature goes under 0, but helps with privacy on public transport

>>3222 >https://www.electronicproducts.com/Power_Products/Power_Management/How_to_build_a_mini_EMP_generator_to_disrupt_electronics.aspx?id=200 Question. Can this be made, directional?

>>3613 directional waves have been a thing for decades. but as far as EMP goes, i think Lockheed or Northrop had a missile that shot EMP beams into buildings for for directional knockouts. i would imagine with a good radioreflective surface it would not be too hard. look at weaponizing microwave ovens by using directional lbeams

A perfect AI camera system is only vulnerable to: a) the mundane b) the security operator bringing them down for scheduled maintenance (whether under duress or not) or c) the bait and switch and technically c) is taking advantage of the AI's imperfect ability to correctly identify similar objects because spatial processing is difficult for machines. Anything else either only permits a smash and grab strategy, or takes advantage of lack of vigilance because the perfect camera system would be reliable enough to make any loss to a signal worth deploying physical security: >Power failure? Send security detail >EMP or environmental damage? Send security detail >Blacked lens? Send security detail >Smoke in the room? Security detail >Blooms or artifacts? Anomaly. Send security. You get the picture If you want to rob a bank, schedule vault maintenance, match the thief's height and gait closely to the bank's manager, and bring a briefcase full of choco-(dud)coins. Or just steal from somewhere easier you dumb soykaf

Anyone have any white papers on CCTV protocols?

>>1316 >If any of you is concerned that your government may go full China, but you still carry around a smartphone, have an Alphabet account or use their search engine or browser, use Facebook like most people do, or use a non-free OS, then you have your priorities wrong. OP droppin' truth bombs like they're goin' outta style over here. This is absolute basic opsec, and the first 4 things i'm going to tell anyone who wears tinfoil on an even semiregular basis. I think the only solution is to make privacy stylish. Pic related. Let's make privacy hip. And I mean that in the most nauseating way. Coopt hipsters. "You've probably never heard of me because I go out of my way to stay out of social media databases and search engines." "No, i don't use those voluntary spy services." "Oh, you don't cover the webcam on your laptop. You must be a perverted exhibitionist." Yeah, okay, that last one went a bit far, but hipsters eat that soykaf like north koreans eat kim's ass. The problem is everyone thinks it's hard to do these things, and it is, for the moment. Or they think it's to late. It is, for the moment. However, with tech wear coming into fashion, and seeing more and more privacy focused products in the past 5 years, we're coming to the point where these things can start becoming easy. What we need is a reliable, inexpensive platform for running linux that can use 4g or 5g data. Once we have that established, making the default messaging service pidgin+otr, passing public keys via qrl code, and private encrypted cloud as a service can be enabled as default. Communication can be done over sip+zrtp, and you can even face time and share memes using standardized open source protocols in a peer to peer fashion. All of this is already available on linux, and even compiled for ARM. Combined with large hoods and dust masks, we can turn everyone into cyber ninjas and usher in a new era as the world adapts to the apathetical mindset necessary to survive in the future world.

>>3959 I've been curious about this as well. A filter for wireshark that shows CCTV traffic would be interesting, but if I had to guess I would assume most use a normal A/V cable and then go into some sort of switching box where the data is transformed into packets or some type of socket stream.

>>3962 Cryptoparty could be the next Tupperware. We could try making a fashion for the kind of facepaint and hats that mess up facial recognition algorithms, or maybe a craze for International Klein Blue, or IR LED hats. Maybe bang out a run or IR LED visors and sell them as novelties at festivals, set up a camera so Burning Man gimps can see how it makes your face a blur. Not terribly practical in itself, but it would raise awareness of the issue in a fun way, and maybe cause headaches for the right assholes, and engage someone else's ingenuity.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rainbowapps.hiddencameradetector&hl=en

>>3982 >>3962 These aren't bad ideas. I could see an obscure/secretive fashion designer/programmer that makes waves creating innovative (but protective) styles of clothing that utilize these types of measures, getting featured on some blogs or tumblr or shared on facebook or some soykaf. Especially if the designer never shows their face, like Daft Punk, or something. A great way to create artificial interest without being too obvious for the gov to track (given that the designer uses all the same security measures they promote in their sales). Each clothing piece can come with info on how to keep oneself safe from government tracking and come with a bullsoykaf disclaimer to be protected by law. Only reveal name through a DBA that keeps the original name private, maybe. I don't know all the details, but I feel like this is definitely a possibility for a person with the right skillset or funds.

>>2382 I totally share the same idea about the subject, as a now avid outdoorsman. I had this as initial motive, to learn to grow some self reliance in case I feel like I have to GTFO because of some technological advancement that only seems beneficial for certain parties. But I keep the opportunity open for sudden realization by folks, but also limit my exposure to certain devices which technically can be used to aid such operations.

>>3983 >play store

>>4118 >https://lainchan.org/hum/res/5861.html

>>2628 Wait a minute. You just gave me an idea. What if you had a jacket that could output light in a way that can confuse cameras, such as making it appear like a T-shirt or some coat with patterns, like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlLqdFsMnCE

>>1165 How common are IR filters in cameras. Is that more a high end thing? if so why not create a necklace that has a bunch of linked individual high powered IR nodes to cover face?

>>4226 Most CCTVs have them now

>>1162 hey lain wherearetheeyes on fdroid

>>4755 Any offline versions of that?

>>4756 how would you get new surveillance cameras? you could always use a firewall to block access.

>>4756 there's a raw data download on the website that gives you a big csv file

>>1930 this. also, the "glasses" make you stick out in any other case. seriously, they make you look like you're on your way to some rave and probably cops think you're one of those pushers with a "trademark".

>>1210 >$125 They better be prescription glasses at this price.

Camera related question, what are the effective methods to hiding from infrared and thermal imaging police often use?

>>4977 Nothing, hence it is used. If a chopper hunts you with thermal you better hide in the sewers, under a bridge or several layers of insulation and tinfoil. About regular IR not emitted by hot bodies there are some absorbing materials, but I doubt you can coat yourself in them. For those you better blind the camera itself unless if it is operated by a person.

>>4978 >>4977 updating my reply to you with this https://phys.org/news/2018-06-stealth-sheet-hot-prying-infrared.html I hope black silicon becomes available soon

forgot my image

>>1162 Just use Juggalo makeup. https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/07/03/2128200/juggalos-figured-out-how-to-beat-facial-recognition

>>4977 Mylar blankets

>>4977

>>5095 This made my day, thank you.

Pic related is the best way.

>>5090 thank you for this

>>4990 >>4978 wouldn't a glass suit work good to repel infrared?

>>5222 >carl carwindows https://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/cameras-lasers.html NV/IR >can see through windows >can see brighter displays (amplified light is the functional component, resolution essentially as high as any camera) >can see with sometimes best resolution >some issues with foliage >full color night vision available thermal >can not see through windows >displays based on sensor quality >sensor feed and reception is the key component to resolution (i.e lower equivalent pixel resolution on cheap devices) >fewer issues with foliage lidar/laser >can map in 3d >certain identification/navigation components can be integrated (nasa/navy using for HUD minimaps) >can be placed on sharks

I've had a thought for a while about a good /DIY/ project to deploy against (Ancient and outdated) CCTV cameras, using machine learning to train a small robot to shine a powerful portable laser at anything that it identifies to be a camera aperture. Only problems would be getting a big enough labeled dataset, and making sure that it doesn't do something horribly retarded like label people's pupils as apertures. If you live in the UK or somewhere with obvious and uniform CCTV cameras, and don't give a soykaf about getting arrested for potentially huge amounts of property damage against the state, give it a try.

>>5226 Any information/resources for FLIR/Thermal sensors for streaming? I'm interested in a sensor for low light conditions to detect intruders.

>>5440 you'd be better off with a cheap motion detector

>>5441 can't be mounted on a quadcopter and work though.

>>1223 Same here

>>5440 You could hook in an alduino to do that

>>5260 a similar system already exists, IIRC there is a system that uses sniper scope reflections to spot shooters before they take a shot. https://firstguardtech.com/technology/pre-shot-weapons-detection/ >>5440 there are several low light solutions, but IIRC you are quite limited for true night vision and thermal, as there are only 2 or 3 companies that own patents and the trade secrets on how to produce sensors, which means there is a monopoly on night vision and thermal, but as others ahve said, cheap IR sensors or motion detectors like door sensors could be integrated to build a good image of an environment, similarly, you could use echolocation (SONAR) or LIDAR for low light situational awareness >>5442 you can put a lot of sensors on drones, and a tethered drone could fly almost indefinitely (even sensor balloons are feasible)

>>1202 After having trained my own machine learning algorithm to find me specifically in any photo I give it I can tell you surgical masks do nothing, as do scarfs etc. You'd have to cover your entire face from every possible angle or in other words run around in a ski mask every second you're out of your house.

>>1197 In France, footage is hooked to facial recognition to file everyone involved in protests. The file it's going in is a police file that doesn't need to obey the data retention rules. This is a thing that's going on, not some "they could" scenario. The interior security agency has used it to make preliminary arrest of people suspected of planning to partake in vandalism. A friend of mine that's a reservist gendarme has gotten interrogated by her superior for being detected as a participant because she lives on a street where the protest happen weekly as she was leaving to get to her second job. (this could have landed her in trouble since gendarmes are forbidden from attending protests). That's for a real life counterexample but the "it's so much data it's only looked at when there's a case" argument is dead since the algorithms have started being decent.

>>7216 This is bullsoykaf, we have monthly protests going on in my region (of France) and I can tell no such system was ever used. Second of all there is not a single way that your friend could have gotten in troubles and everybody knows why you included. I’ll admit that I don’t know if such system is being tested or not. I too ,recognize that the algorithms are already sufficiently efficient to implement such facial recognition systems but please stop with the "a friend of mine ..."

>>7216 this sounds highly suspect, unless >the paramilitary forces deploy mobile sentry towers >these mobile sentry towers have multiple sets of electro-optical sensors >there are multiple towers per area, and those towers have data links to databases pic rel that would also assume >the towers are already staged in protest areas >the towers are not damaged by protesters all of this makes the argument sound rumerous at best

>>7218 What kind of payed wage slave are you? The french protests had already payed mercenaries working for police in attacking protesters and facial recognition is being used heavily.

>>7221 They're not building a system to file every single face no. But they do run footage (municipal CCTV, press footage, confiscated footage) they can get through a siv. https://lundi.am/Interpelle-par-5-voitures-de-la-DGSI-place-36h-en-garde-a-vue This is about preliminary arrests, not the CCTV. >>7218 It's true that's it's a tidbit of an exaggeration and she couldn't get inculpated like that unless she got caught on tape with riot gear. But she did get notified she'd been recorded. As for me I live in the sticks. Take my info with a grain of salt if you want, it's true I'm reporting hearsay. For what it's worth (nothing but eh), I'm telling you I'm not lying.

>>7223 Lol

>>7224 You’re entirely right’

>>7224 I don't know about you thing but they used started using it over here as well. It says they're starting to experiment with it though so I don't think it's that widespread. https://www.laquadrature.net/2019/03/09/brut-la-reconnaissance-faciale-experimentee-au-carnaval-de-nice/ There's definitely a push to make this mainstream tho, they're also implementing it in one school as a "test" more like early indoctrination of kids that this kind of stuff is normal, even though it's technically illegal. But I guess they're just gonna let kids opt out and make their life miserable.

>>7320 >no anon, you cant go into the lunch room unless you agree to let us photograph/video record you In the USA, many schools have your parents sign a waiver that you agree that the school may take video/photo of your child for official reasons, opting out is essentially impossible. Many public US schools also have cameras everywhere, and armed law enforcement for the ultimate police state aesthetic.

I think this pdf uses the same photo as OP's post...

Request somewhat related to this thread, how would you go about counter surveillance at home? for example; avoiding cameras planted by police or the stingray tracking method?

>>7542 assuming you enter a home and are unsure if under surveillance, assume you are. Some cheaper cameras use an IR light source for night vision, and there used to be a method where pointing an un-filtered digital camera (one that was either built without an IR filter or had it removed) was enough to see glowing lights when you panned around the room with the lights off. There are products that can detect RF frequencies and you can DIY them for pretty cheap, if you can figure out what frequencies are being used to communicate. IoT/IP cameras and WIFI "home security" is also a booming market, but there are known parameters for those products. From a distance, the best bet is to have no windows (laser audio surveillance has been around for a while). You can use a Faraday cage or other RF blocking construction to prevent leakage. The main threats are triangulation from cell phones (carry them without batteries or not at all) You can broadcast junk audio and communicate with hand symbols or signs (but that does not stop cameras from spotting you). Check fire alarms for hidden cameras too (just look up fake fire alarm camera on amazon. Illegal to use in most places, but not illegal to sell). Outlets are another big source of fake cameras too. Those would be the recommendations I would give to people staying in unknown houses (like users of those hotel apps where you stay in a strangers home)

>>7542 >surveillance at home If they're bothering to do that from the outside you're not escaping their eye.

>>8098 Not the person you are replying to. But say its not a governmental entity that installed say a pinhole cam in a wall but rather a more elite illuminati sect. How would you either zap find or obfuscate that? Imagine There is a cult putting a pinhole camera in your wall. How do you fix that? Or are we to submit to the all seeing eye? Because given that scenerio there is an immediate overnode that which the illuminati can intercept and deanonymize nearly anyone. If this exists one must have as in all pentesting yadda yadda a plan to serve their clients needs. Say a silicon vally cabal is going after a meshnet startup. And google had installed pinhole cameras in the dev's workspace to steal their code. How do you protect your clients workspace from prying eyes of the big G google? This is not a black and white situation as the increase of the tech continues we have but a small gap in time to create open source alternatives to the google mafia in place.

Would clothes printed with faces mess up facial recognition software?

>>8115 Hypothetically speaking, EMP can be used to disable electronics, but you can really mess stuff up if you do it wrong. I have seen proof of concepts that utilized handheald devices with a large coil and capacitors to produce a targeted pulse. If it is a wifi camera, electronic countermeasures like jamming the signal frequency could do the trick. If you have a lot of money to spend, a sealed box that you built using nothing but scrap metal welded together in the center of a room with utilities that only you installed would be the best way to be safe, but you would literally be living inside a metal box. >>8126 If I had to take a guess, I would say that the recognition would only be as good as the ML software, as it is likely that the biometric system has included the use of discriminators to determine if the face is on a head, or if the face is on a shirt the dimensions of the face-to-limb ratio is out of parameter. That is all speculation though, But I would be interested to see if carrying around lie sized cutouts fools facial recognition (you could put a cutout on an RC car and drive it around and see if the camera detects it as human)

>>8126 It would create false positives for some implementations but that does nothing to hide your face. In my opinion the problem with most of these "facial recognition camouflage" approaches is you're ultimately on the wrong side of the arms race. Recognition AI is pretty easy to train at this point and its only going to get better. Combatting it on its own terms isn't going to work in the long run. The only consistent way to fool facial recognition is to hide the actual bone structure of your face, since the principle components of these networks tend to be things like how far apart your eyes are and the shape of your chin (this is why there are implementations that can recognize you even if you're wearing a mask). I think the best approach is, as always, partitioning your identities as much as possible so that being recognized by an automated system does not compromise anything important. If this is infeasible, your next best option is doing what you can to avoid cameras, assuming that being on camera is tantamount to revealing your identity. This assumption isnt entirely accurate today but its best to begin preparing so that you have an established MO as this becomes the reality. Finally, if you absolutely have to fool facial recognition, the trick is to do what you can to be as aberrant as possible. These things classify well in the more densely represented regions of the sample space but break down quickly for examples that don't fit the mold. But again, you're fighting a losing battle here (wearing a clever mask may disguise your face but there are plenty of systems that can now recognize people by their physical proportions, posture, and gait). If you need to take that approach then the exact details of what you need to do will come from a deep understanding of the state of the art in machine learning and probably at least a good guess at the implementation details of the specific system you need to fool.

>>1162 >Do you know of any techniques on how to fool CCTV? rock, baseball bat, spray paint

>>8536 The coolest design I've seen for an improvised EMP was a flux compression device that was featured in a few anarchist zines and even popular mechanics a couple decades or so ago. Basically was a coil of copper inside a conductive tube with a spacer made from polystyrene between these concentric layers, and the core was filled with gunpowder or some other rapid combustible or explosive material. Idea was you'd send a bunch of current through the coil, as much as it could take without melting in a fraction of a second, then trigger the explosive. The shock front would move down the tube from one end to the other, expanding the coil to come in contact with the outer tube, thus shorting the coil for a microsecond before the machine tore itself apart. Thus the length of the inductor would be rapidly compressed, and due to conservation of energy the magnetic flux would spike extremely high extremely rapidly. By the time the explosion reached the end of the tube, the flux would be at its climax and would shunt through a small loop serving as an antenna, preferably located at the focus of a parabolic reflector (but I don't know how well that would actually directionalize the machine, that part is kind of iffy if you ask me). If the timing was set right, you'd get a pretty big punch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator But yeah, if you just need to get through a CCTV's field of view real quick I'd try to overload it with a laser pointer. Might be hard to keep it trained on the lens steadily enough.

>>8548 It's funny how people often overlook the simple solutions. I'm partial to paintball guns too. Black paintballs splats on black CCTV domes equals a happy me. It reminds me of the classic War Nerd column about a particular method of effectively conducting asymmetrical warfare: light things on fire. ( http://exiledonline.com/burn-malibu-burn-%E2%80%94-fire-the-most-effective-underused-weapon-in-the-world/ )

>>1202 ML algos can recognize you by how you walk, they did in China. >t. ml phd

>>8554 while this may work to produce an EMP in theory, it is outside the realm of creation for most people, not to mention illegal at best and life threatening at worst. I remember reading about it in popular mechanics years ago. There are plenty of other ways to generate interference other than actually damaging a system. The problem with explosives that they are extremely unpredictable, and especially in the case of timing, burn ratios of propellant/explosive need to be configured properly, and a lot of data on explosives and propellants is actually determined by pure experimentation. Jammers are a more reasonable solution to generating interference, in many cases you can go to prison for years just for owning one tho. I did read an article some time ago about criminals using them to generate electronic interference as a means to deter detection or people from contacting authorities (cell phone/signal jammers). Many modern cameras are also IoT for ease of installation, so it also depends on the threat model... conventional CCTV linked to a ML system, or some $50 amazon/china wifi security camera special.

>>8571 Oh yeah, not even remotely practical. I was just mentioning it as a blue-sky kind of thing because I thought the idea was cool. If one was willing to go that far to avoid CCTV, may as well just shred the breaker box to the whole building or down the power lines. Way easier, cheaper, and probably a shorter prison sentence. Real answer is lasers. Maybe one of those high-wattage mega-pointers that can easily fry a CCD or CMOS sensor, especially given the aid of a lens that they have conveniently put right in front of it for you to take advantage of.

>>8564 In reality these are like polygraph tests. Wildly inaccurate, mostly pseudoscience—but they serve as a useful tool for generating cause for arrests, intimidation, and coercion into taking a plea deal or making a confession. Facial recognition, too. Their accuracy on the general public is so low that simply saying nobody is a match would beat them statistically every time. It's not like a phone's face unlock which you specifically train on a single person that you have access to. They're a racket to start the due process of law, by which point you're most likely going to be screwed by the long dick of the court. Of course in China, they wouldn't even care about all that. They'd just gulag you and everyone around you in a kilometer radius. Say you all matched the 'algorithm' which is probably just some openCV running on a raspberry pi somewhere. A contrived plot device. Ship you to western China with the Uyghurs using shoddy evidence. And nobody important would raise an eyebrow.

>>8577 Any written evidence a court might give half a soykaf on that inaccuracy?

>>8577 > polygraph tests. Wildly inaccurate, mostly pseudoscience That's not so true anymore. The new ones are pretty accurate.

>>8576 There is a counter-sniper system that detects refraction angles from scopes that is used to find out where a sniper is hiding, if you could make a portable system with a calibrated laser (IR or VIS spectrum) you could blind every camera in the area. IIRC DARPA actually designed a missile that spams EMP to take out building systems like computers and CCTV (there used to be a video of it on some defense contractors youtube advertising channel). You could take that concept and make drones that spam EMP as mobile jammers if you properly shield them first (or just put them in the EMF cone of silence), but I feel like drones are probably all derezzed in big cities like china or wherever else you would have all those CCTVs

>>8536 god bless you and thanks for the response

>>8536 >If you have a lot of money to spend, a sealed box that you built using nothing but scrap metal welded together in the center of a room with utilities that only you installed would be the best way to be safe, but you would literally be living inside a metal box. So a metal cubicle? Doable.

just watched a video about exploiting most cameras. even those that are in thousands of dollars range are mostly easily pwnable. here's the talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8DjTcANBx0 Black Hat 2013 - Exploiting Network Surveillance Cameras Like a Hollywood Hacker I doubt most cameras have been updated since this video was made.

>>9018 still happening, CVE-2019-15498

>>8577 Do you have a source?

I don't think people realise how much of a pressing issue this is. This isn't just something happening in china or some far off dictatorship. It's only a matter of time before it's commonplace. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51237665 facial recognition is already about to go out in london. It's already been used at protests in the US. And we KNOW it's not accurate. This will lead to innocent people being arrested and all sorts of fuarrrkery. What are people's best ideas right now? A crazy hairstyle that covers your face? It may fool an automated system but it's completely useless against a human adversary. Same with those fake face type masks. We are literally fuarrrked by the botnet every time we leave our house from now on. The outside world has been completely comprimised. I think we might be genuinely screwed on this one folks. We can use foss and tor and whatever when we're on our own machines, but we can't do soykaf about the streets we walk on. The only action I can think of that could actually be effective is hong-kong style mass movement physically destroying the cameras, which is obviously a very dangerous move in a world where your face is being tracked all the time. Did we just lose the war?

>>9019 got a header for that?

>>2381 I have the slight feeling they expect lots of riots in the future...

>>10018 Well, damn. I thought that post was newer. >>10016 >This will lead to innocent people being arrested and all sorts of fuarrrkery. Does it even matter? They just want people to stay at home and make protesting more dangerous. I'm getting genuinely scared lately. I thought we were quickly rolling downhill, but it looks like falling into a manhole. It could be any day before we go full China.

>>1202 Somewhat unrelated but I have one of these that was gifted to me by a friend and I wonder if there's a dress code for 'em.

Anyone try 50\60Hz blink? Any stroboscope app on smartphone can do lines camera.

>>10020 >you have the sick >you are avoidin coronachan >muh smog/pollution >carry around paint supplies >cybergoth im sure lains have more ways to wear them. Else just wear a burka around (if not illegal in your area)

>>10139 What's the advantage over a constant light or a laser?

>>10148 not really sure, but could be something as a counter-discriminator. If the system is told to disregard lights, or track lights, then it would try to detect a solid light, but see blinking lights as movement instead, also throw off shadow identification

>>8585 I hope you're referring to the gait analysis algorithms, because polygraphs are complete bullshit. https://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf

>>10160 There's more than gait that can give away deception: * microexpressions * morphology (involuntary muscles give away emotional state) * temporal patterning (deception tends to involve longer expression and more abrupt transitions) most of this is invisible to the naked eye (although you can pay attention to morphology) or require you to have a stopwatch handy.

>>8585 >>10161 I'm willing to bet that the new ones are also unreliable. It would be interesting to see some studies though. I don't know about you, but if someone starts grilling me, I just act differently, doing all the classic things involuntarily: avoiding eye contact, stuttering/talking faster, sweating, etc, *whether I'm lying or not*. Meanwhile a skilled liar probably acts the same either way.

>>10162 >a skilled liar probably acts the same either way It's almost like there's a clue that can help determine if they're lying ;) There's a lot of subtle clues.

>>10163 >It's almost like there's a clue that can help determine if they're lying ;) what clue though? Like, you've said the general type of clue, but no actual specifics.

>>10164 Never definitive, but you can amass enough data points to make a statistically significant judgement.

>>10165 amass enough data points per person or on the population as a whole? How are these methods tested?

>>10166 enough data points on a single person. the norms are already well-understood, but ultimately you're comparing against the population. these traits are and have been studied in psychology for a number of years.

>>10167 can you give some kind of reference?

>>10168 I'll dig out my old psych textbook sometime in the next few days and post a few photos of the section and (if it has them) the relevant citations it uses.

Are Respro clones good for what they substitute? I mean, the smog protection. Is there a thorough review? They look pretty simple: generic activated charcoal filter, one or two exhalation valves of standard diameter in few aesthetic varieties, and the mask itself which is made of some non-woven synth fabric.

>>1319 Idea S T O L E N

>>1202 this aged well

>>1930 Not really. It means your existence is acknowledged, not that they have your adress, name etc.

How do lainons withdraw money from ATMs, given that most ATMs have cameras built into them? And even if some lainons do hide their face, the activity is still tracked by one's local bank, and bank account is usually bound to one's real identity as well.

>>11700 Realistically speaking, you don't. Your bank should be used as a means of safely storing your legally obtained money. The more user identification around your bank, the better. If you need to commit a crime that involves money, use cash. Withdrawing cash from an ATM isn't a crime.

>>11093 lmao

>>11702 I didn't imply anything illegal. The sole fact of letting banks and other third parties gain access to one's private activities is fuarrrked up even under pretext of so-called safety, but it's still safer than storing money in cash and not knowing who may break into one's apartment at some point and steal it. It's a shame that cryptocurrency ATMs are not available in relatively small cities and not quite popular in some countries.

>>11704 If you use a bank youre putting in a sisyphean effort trying to hide your privacy in the first place

>>11704 if you keep everything in cash, you might get all your soykaf stolen once in a while. If you keep everything in the bank, you are definitely getting a little bit of your soykaf stolen every time you withdraw money or use the ATM.

>>11706 Money laundering politicians and oligarchs seem to not have any problem with it.

>>1202 >Would need a health spin like in Japan so gubberment doesn't ban them Anon what have you done.

>>11720 They can get away with it. We can't. They more than likely pay off people to not expose them and/or not get any consequence of their actions.

>>1202 this should be a banner

>>8577 They're not nearly that bad, and you're missing the point. They don't NEED to be accurate when you've a huge, all-encompassing mesh network that can trivially track you from within seconds of you exiting your domicile. It's just about narrowing it down. You do that enough times, you're left with one guy, or a small enough list to deal with. It's the same as with browser fingerprinting. Individually, it's all worthless trash data that says basically nothing about the user. Together? Might as well be your social security number. If gait analysis alone is 1/10 when tuned to minimize the type 2 error, that turns into 1 in hundreds when you add height, build, hair color, clothes, and other physical traits, and very good odds of being 1 in the world when you add a proximate time and a place to it. Every scrap of information adds to the profile, every tidbit eliminates some people. When you're talking about a specific time and place, as in our John Doe was last seen on camera A located exactly here, seen precisely then, and we have a potential match on camera B, we are probably not talking about hundreds of people. And if you are, that's one, two, three routes to trace to cover a thousand people. If traffic is that heavy, and the cameras that sparse. All the nodes keep records. Cameras record. Tools like this enables you to put the pieces together and establish a continuous record. Again, one camera getting one glimpse does not have to be accurate enough to be admissible in court as evidence to have any real impact. It only needs to narrow it down to where following the most likely routes(there will be false positives) is computationally feasible, and then you will have a list of suspects, very likely their full names from tracing license plates when they got there, maybe through their address, or from checking records of purchases if they bought anything, had a drink, or paid entry. If the record doesn't suffice to identify them directly, the same thing goes for anyone they're recorded interacting with. It is an insanely powerful investigative tool, and that's what you should be afraid of. It might have the accuracy of the town drunk, but every little bit reduces the computational cost exponentially. It's just a matter of getting enough drunks. We already know phones are fuarrrked. Wifi, too. Electronic transactions as well. Faces are distinct. If someone sees you leave your flat, or your car, they've got your address/plates and know who you are. If they can trace you back there, they know who you are. If you meet with anyone who fuarrrks up on any of those points, it won't be long before they do. How many people like that do you know? That wear masks and sunglasses, don't carry phones, don't use cards, don't drive or enter private property anywhere there might be a camera(or small enough gap between them that disappearing is incriminatory)? I hope you know a lot, because those are the only ones you can safely interact with without leaving a trail so obvious a jap would feel obliged to offer you his business card.

>>10018 This guy fuarrrking called it. The only difference is that the establishment supports the rioters. Not so sure how much this technology is getting used for the current mayhem...

>>12367 They'll only support it until they win an election. And I'm sure they want police defunded merely because they want to cash in on more private security and get some kind of scummy kickbacks through contractors. That's their usual game. We've got people who are openly bastards and people who are covertly bastards.

>>11772 This is some highly advanced necroposting

>>1165 I've always thought of this for my novel after I figured out lacer mice, optical laser, and IR remote looked different on my cam. This only works at night though, assuming they don't get alarmed or are not using some iso sensitive camera.

>>2828 I bet the same person who designed dolby's gui also designed this.

>>12367 >This guy fuarrrking called it. You're welcome. >The only difference is that the establishment supports the rioters. For now. Those that bring in a revolution are always the first ones to die from it (commonly called "useful idiots"). Such persons have already removed one establishment and the new revolutionary establishment has no intention of letting them do it again. >Not so sure how much this technology is getting used for the current mayhem... A lot. An awful lot.

>>1202 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

lmao if you think any establishment has changed hands in the past twenty years you are sorely mistaken my man

A silicone or latex mask beats any CCTV system or human. Automated facial recognition will not match your real ID, and humans cannot recognize that you are wearing a mask.

>>1202 There you have it!

>>1202 bruh

>>2717 When I was in the shipyard in the Navy I monitored a CCTV system that was also monitored seperately by security. I worked at a department store and have observed security watching cctv in grocery stores. The corner store by my house is actively monitored by the owner both in the store and remotely from his house and the feed includes two outdoor cameras on the sidewalks. When I worked industrial IT I know for a fact that the managers were constantly monitoring feeds even on vacation looking for misconduct and these feeds included parking lots. This is what I remember as I'm typing the post. It is definitely common to have CCTV that goes straight to archive unviewed for reference later but it's not the rule by a long shot.

>>12632 So have I, and even with Loronix multiplexing systems effective monitoring is nearly nil unless your reviewer to camera ration is 1:8 or so. A Target store (loss prevention) has on average nearly 30 cameras and roughly 6 PTZ's. About 80% of our scrutiny was after the fact. Our digital retention systems allowed us to do some basic motion tracking and color tracking systems (i.e. set a motion activated trigger for individuals wearing a blue hat and red shirt). The best way to "fool" cctv systems is by wearing the local median incomes equivalent of drab clothing with an average haircut and stay in large crowds. Wanna get fancy? wear a wind breaker or thin jacket and swap it out of sight of a camera for what ever shirt you're wearing underneath.

One day humanity will look back at this post: "Cameras were a mistake." The moment we face the threat of weaponized AI, it can be attributed to the fact that we've given them the power to connect into the world around us which opens all the possibiliti- actually just one possibility.. and future and that is doom. May this be a lesson.