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Contracts

Judge Fang · 2018-08-03 11:16
Warlocks made deals with demons to gain powers. Criminals trade their social contract for power. No longer with regard for authorities they can freely use violence and exploit societies mutual trust but will also become vulnerable for others who have made the same deal. What if you could do the same thing with the laws of physics? Surrender their reign in exchange of powers but also become vulnerable to the absence of them?
Crash Override · 2018-08-03 13:28
What do you think technology/modern society is? We are so far removed from out anarchoprimitivistic roots of thinking that humanity built tools to cope with modern problems caused by modern devices. They are contracts that exploit laws of physics for our power, but take them away and I don't think any modern person would survive in wilderness.
Apoc · 2018-08-03 16:49
>>8919 a solitary human might not survive but a group(which is the natural social structure of humans) probably would, if they all had a lot of experience in the outdoors.
Chan Siu Ming · 2018-08-03 18:09
>>8920 Look at those island group survivalist challenges. Most of them are people who voluntarily apply for those and yet most of them end up horribly. Technology is just a contract as mentioned ITT so, if you don't want that contract then you can go anarchoprimitivist or at least satisfy your primal urges through weekend hiking/outdoors activities. Contracts that shape the societal structure though can't be so easily evaded
Ender · 2018-09-11 21:30
Hello, OP. What you seem to started to grasp there is the concept of chaos. Let's look at its etymology before we go any further. >Chaos (Greek χάος, khaos) refers to the void state preceding the creation of the universe or cosmos in the Greek creation myths, or to the initial "gap" created by the original separation of heaven and earth >Etymology 1: Uncertain. Has traditionally been connected to χαίνω (khaínō), χάσκω (kháskō, “I gape, yawn”) >χᾰος • (kháos) n (genitive χᾰεος or χᾰους); third declension 1) the primordial state of existence; 2) space, air; 3)abyss, chasm; 4)infinite darkness We can see a lot of imagery related to some kind of void here. I'm not sure about what heaven and earth they were thinking of, but honestly I think that was the layman's version anyway. So what is chaos, really? It's definitely not the total opposite of order as some would claim (with or without a dictionary). The opposite of order is disorder, which can be absolutely anything that lacks order, but it must lack order - this is the one law that defines it. We have a similar thing going on with randomness, that it must lack patterns. You could even say this is the one pattern randomness follows, that it doesn't follow any other patterns, or in a certain context it doesn't follow any expected patterns. Sure, people do find patterns in random data, and randomly generated data sometimes gives nice patterns which aren't random at all - it's not the generated data that is random, it's the method of generation. If it has any other pattern than "having no pattern", it just left the definition of random. As you can see, I'm playing around the idea of minimizing rules. Things that have only one law/rule/pattern about them are often hard to grasp. This is probably the kind of "idea" Plato was rambling about. Now here we have 'chaos' which is whatever was before cool titans and gods came around to make time, space, before/after, and the whole universe a thing - there were no "laws of physics" then, the gods didn't come around to make them just yet. That's what chaos is, an utter lack of law, pattern, shape and form. It is so void of any such rules that even the rule of it being void of any rules doesn't necessarily apply to it. Which means that chaos is technically allowed to follow any and all, even contradicting patterns, and then just turn around and not follow them. A teaspoon of chaos could perfectly emulate or even be our universe down to the letter, always playing along to every rule, right until it doesn't. Chaos isn't a logical concept. Logic and concept are pieces of chaos that play along with the rules that define "logic" and "concept". With that in mind, a person who wields chaos is basically omnipotent - he can do absolutely anything - but he has no say in what he'll actually do, unless chaos plays along. He gains potential and loses certainity/control. The situations you described are the same thing on a smaller scope. A lack of physics, well I mean I dunno. Your body would go undefined behavior, as nothing would compel it to do or don't do whatever. I also don't know how intimately you are related to your body - the more you are, the more this would affect you, probably. You could probably be the first wizard who shoots fireballs IRL!
Sabo Engle · 2018-09-11 23:08
>>8920 Your paleolithic ancestors survived in those groups because there was a wild planet still teeming with plants and animals to eat and free of fences, game wardens and police. There is no space for your band of survivalists to hide in anymore.