How do Lainons stay in shape?

How physically /fit/ are the people on this board? I personally think that a person's appearances reflect their personality and inner reality, e.g. there's more to people who are organized than just "they know where their belongings are". It's a symptom of self-respect to stay in fighting shape, not to mention it's sexually attractive, healthy, another path of personal accomplishment/discipline, and makes it easier to carry a classical aesthetic. So what do Lains do to stay in shape? I'm currently recovering from surgery so I'm out of my routine, but I typically lift weights 3-4 times a week and train martial arts (kickboxing and no-gi jiu jitsu) 6 days a week. I eat a high-protein diet, and neither drink nor smoke. A healthy body is a healthy mind.

>>8277 A true symptom of self-respect is not caring what others think about your body and personality. This doesn't mean that those who look bad or act bad necessarily respect themselves, but those who respect themselves to begin with, won't need to seek external validation (attractive according to whom?) in order to feel good. Regarding health, however, staying fit (as in, being not fat, rather than being in fighting shape which requires strenuous work) is a good decision since it improves your quality of life, and contributes to the healthy body, healthy mind thing without the need of overexertion. Regarding discipline, staying fit might be a great way to improve willpower, pushing your limits, and things like that. I don't see that as a particularly beneficial thing from a cost-benefit point of view since I don't see "being attractive" as a beneficial thing and I'd prefer to use my time in intellectual pursuits or having some fun on my own, and such. I do a little exercise every week, usually about 5-20 weekly kilometres of walking. I keep myself in shape by eating healthy as well, I agree with the "mens sana in corpore sano" quote. Regarding a person's appearance being a reflection of personality... There's generalities you can observe through looks: Scrawny guys with glasses are likely nerds, strong and athletic guy with carefully styled hair is a popular "bro" kind of guy, long messy-hair guy with juvenile clothes is a musician, etc. but I think personality is just a reflection of how people are percieved by others due to their appearance (and therefore act in a way that makes sense according to their "disguise"). How can I say this? The first thing you notice about a person you've never met before (if you aren't blind), is their looks, and from that point your brain begins to make assumptions and assertions about what this person is like, before you even get a chance to interact with the person and truly see what their thoughts are like. Behavior that isn't stereotypical might cause dissonance in observer's brains, so people prefer to act in ways that fit their looks so as to be more relatable. Changing one's look is also possible, within the bound of the phenotypes you were born with. From my theories' point of view, working out changes the way other people percieve you, as you'll be more muscular and people will assume you're more assertive, confident, disciplined, and you'll in turn believe you truly are more assertive, confident, etc., but there's absolutely no need to do this to begin with if you're aware of the social mechanisms behind personality and if you're truly self-respecting to begin with.

I spent January-May of this year getting toned and working out 5 days a week, drastically changed my diet, and saw some improvement but I've been slacking heavily due to mental health related stuff lately. I hope to bounce back, but if not, at least I did it for 6 months, something I never thought I could do before.

>>8280 >A true symptom of self-respect is not caring what others think about your body and personality. This doesn't mean that those who look bad or act bad necessarily respect themselves, but those who respect themselves to begin with, won't need to seek external validation (attractive according to whom?) in order to feel good. A big part of self-respect is holding yourself to the standards you hold for others. I personally look down on out-of-shape people barring the handicapped, and so training and keeping myself lean/mean is an inherent part of actualizing myself. I also don't like people who are bad at driving (so that's something I've personally trained), or can't cook, or can't spell, or can't use technology, etc. To me, it comes down to respect being something that needs to be earned-- there are standards that (I wish) society has before somebody is respected. I achieve self-respect when I do that myself. Hence it's less about "caring what others think", it's me caring about how others are, making standards, and meeting them myself through protracted effort. >Regarding health, however, staying fit (as in, being not fat, rather than being in fighting shape which requires strenuous work) is a good decision since it improves your quality of life, and contributes to the healthy body, healthy mind thing without the need of overexertion. We probably disagree on what "overexertion" means. I'm still young and I've been exercising at least 8 hours a week since I was 6 years old. When I grapple every single day it's par for the course, and others at my gym (older men, or even young people who treat their bodies badly) "only have the energy" to do it once/twice a week. I get where you're coming from though. I know people who are professionally a lot busier than I am (founders of companies who are in practice working 80 hour weeks + weekends managing their company.) They train infrequently but eat clean and so stay in the best shape they can. They deserve respect. >Regarding discipline, staying fit might be a great way to improve willpower, pushing your limits, and things like that. I don't see that as a particularly beneficial thing from a cost-benefit point of view since I don't see "being attractive" as a beneficial thing and I'd prefer to use my time in intellectual pursuits or having some fun on my own, and such. I'm not trying to say this as a personal attack, but everybody that I personally know who acts that way (I used to be a turbonerd and so very many of my oldest friends are like that) adopted that attitude after "society" (normal people) shunned them to the degree that they stopped bothering. At this point, it's just easier for them to stay slobbish because to clean everything up and make themselves sexually attractive would be outside of their comfort zone. It never came naturally to them, so they learned to get attention in different ways and now actively trying to get laid just risks humiliation. I'm not saying you're like this but I think it's pretty common. I'm interested in hearing where your view is coming from, if you don't care about attractiveness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men >your last paragraph We're mostly agreed. That last part though, "working out changes the way other people percieve [sic] you" isn't necessarily a bad thing. It makes projecting the desired persona more efficient. Imagine for example that "letting everybody know that you're rich" wasn't a retarded endeavor: would the easiest way to show that off be to personally engage with an endless amount of people until they're comfortable enough for you to show them the information in your bank account? Or is it more efficient to just drive a Ferrari? Personality vs aesthetics is similar. If you can make people think subconsciously that you're a cool guy who can control the situation (cause you've got broad shoulders and a deep voice), that's the better way to do things. And anyways, there's nothing to say that you can't do both (the broad shoulders and understanding the mechanisms behind personality). >>8282 Keep it up lad, and get help if you have mental health issues. No shame in seeing a shrink.

>>8287 We can agree on what self-respect means then, I don't hold other people to any standards when it comes to physical appearance but I do expect those around me to be intelligent, thoughtful, and not-too-messy. I consider myself a self-respecting person, probably because through effort I also meet the standards I hold others to. The difference lies in that we value different things. In my case, I don't think society was the one who shunned me, but rather I'm the one who has trouble finding the right people to connect with (people who adequately meet my standards) and shuns others in turn (think societal inclusion as a two-way road were both the individual must desire a life in society and society must consider him desirable in order for it to work). I'm interested in a deeper relationship but cannot find someone that fulfills my standards. As for the reason I don't care about attractiveness, well, it's not that I don't care about looks at all, I don't look too bad "naturally" and could probably get a meaningless relationship by use of looks alone. I do take minimum care of my appearance, as much as I would expect someone else to, but I think there's things that matter more in the long term when it comes to relationships, which are very weakly correlated to looks. Life principles, aspirations, definition of happiness (think about this: achieving happiness is a matter of defining the term in a way that it's actually achievable), things that generally aren't affected by nor induce good looks in people. The general point in my answers is that I consider that taking excessive care of one's appearance is futile. What's the purpose of it, if you don't get any benefit beyond physical change (and the illusory personality change)? You can maintain good health without much hard work and you can get the sense of personal accomplishment and cultivation of discipline through other means, and make better use of your time by doing other stuff in the time you would've spent exercising your body. The reason I think this way, is probably due to the things I value (the things around which my life ultimately revolves) which happen to be: gathering knowledge (and reaching understanding of things [in the scientific sense]) and avoidance of pain. I too am young, the term Herbivore Man doesn't apply to me (yet) since I'm not in my twenties and I do seek relationships, but I agree that avoidance of pain, and not being able to leave your comfort zone can lead to Herbivore-ness. Also, thanks for pointing out that mistake I made, I always spelt it that way since perceive is written just with an i in middle in my language.

>>8277 I bicycle to keep my stamina in tact and I keep my sugar intake low. Why would I even care about my body aside of that. My perception of my so called shape is only my brain 2bh. To keep my brain effective I've a drug routine that does't build up any tolerances for the substances i'm taking in. I use modafinil, ritalin, kratom and LSD BTW

I am not sure how to classify my degree of fitness so I will use an external medical measure I presume to be data based. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/fitness/in-depth/fitness/art-20046433 I can run a 10 minute 15 second mile, do 100 continuous pushups without stopping and in proper form, do 100 continuous situps without stopping in proper form, 50 pullups without stopping in proper form. I can do a 50 total mile ride on my bicycle without stopping. I regularly run 5 miles around my current base location and I perform regular 15+ mile bicycle rides while commuting day to day. I also practice judo twice weekly on Tuesdays and Fridays, and then I go to a action gun range and run and gun for an hour or so on those same days depending on how much ammo I have left. By the standards in the link I am extremely fit. I am not that bulky, 175 pounds, 5 feet 8 inches tall. I have very good cardio and limbs that look like they have wires stretched over them. I live 90 - 95 % on soylent for my daily dietary needs, and occasionally( once monthly maybe less) have a nice steak or ham or lamb dinner somewhere.

>>8306 Continued from above----- I do not go through this routine to maintain appearances, I do this to maximize my potential health span, improve my body and mind and give me a place to exercise my will power and receive relatively direct results. I have been building up to this stage for 7 years or so. I intend to stay here physically for as long as possible. I perform my pushups, situps, pullups and back crunches in sets of 100 every morning immediately after I wake up. I then shower and ride my bicycle to work in any weather as long as it is not potentially deadly.

>>8291 I'm realizing that we have a lot in common with each other Lain. We both embrace forward progress and want to be the best versions of ourselves. I just spend some of that time in training (usually, I just got surgery) >In my case, I don't think society was the one who shunned me, but rather I'm the one who has trouble finding the right people to connect with (people who adequately meet my standards) and shuns others in turn (think societal inclusion as a two-way road were both the individual must desire a life in society and society must consider him desirable in order for it to work). I'm interested in a deeper relationship but cannot find someone that fulfills my standards. I know exactly how this feels. I've gotten my ass kicked by life a few times since I was a kid, and I like to think I've sort of zenkai'd through it. When I spend time with some of my oldest friends, there's nothing there that I used to relate to... the way they've formed through high school is so disappointing, they've gotten fat, and lazy. They waste the money their parents give them, and can't find work in the summer. They get into car accidents and don't receive punishment for it, just their parents buying a new car. They can't express any original ideas, whenever we discuss something it's always the most placid, boring opinion and they can't even back it up with any reasoning of their own. It's like they're just made of empty mass and absorbed the most average of everything around them. As I've grown older (stronger, smarter, and wiser) I'm seeing so many of my peers cling to childishness. It breaks my heart. It's hardest when chasing girls, I get downright angry sometimes interfacing with girls that have no hobbies. They just spend their entire day on social media after getting home from work or school, there's nothing interesting about them at all. I had one tell me in her bedroom that she didn't want to "just be a pretty face in a relationship" and I actually got angry, I started shouting at her about what else she was but a "pretty face". Called her stupid and useless but I think I was totally correct. If she wanted to be more than a pretty face why did she do nothing with her life but watch makeup tutorials? We didn't see each after that. I'm starting to think that white Americans are like this because they don't encounter much suffering in their lives, and they mentally wither as a result. What's your native language, anon?

>>8309 I don't think you need to suffer to have an interesting personality or be mature. You just need to be exposed to a more stimulating environment, one which doesn't exist for most people. I guess poverty or oppression or some other suffering could do that for you, but only if you already have the traits that let you make something out of it.

>>8309 I had a few problems during my teenage years, you could say it was mental issues that stemmed from the situation I was in and my experiences when young, I managed to solve them by myself and avoid the fate that usually awaits those who are mentally ill: Usually they get medical help in the form of antidepressants and other medicines that only attack the symptom and harm them more in the long term, or they get bullsoykaf psychological help that doesn't do much other than giving them a chance to talk to someone about their problems (if it actually helped that much there'd be no need for drugs in the first place). I suffered from some mix of depression and paranoia, solved it on my own and have been living substiantially better since my late teens. When looking back, I didn't really have many friends but I could more or less deal with people alright, couldn't really find many people to talk to since I was already pretty weird. I think that people just give in to their situation rather than trying to change it/fight/do something to be different and thus end up "normalized" by their surrounding environment. I don't think it's because of suffering (or not), but rather about learned helplessness and fear to deviate from the norm (stemming from the fear of not being accepted, being alone). Culture seems to be more normalized with every passing day, more and more people are concerned about things that matter less and less, and I don't think there's any hope in attempting to reverse that trend. I'm a Spanish speaker. If you'd like, we can talk through e-mail or something, left it in the field. >>8314 Suffering doesn't do much to make you more interesting, perhaps it could help you mature. A more stimulating environment can help, but it guarantees nothing. Traits might be the most important thing to make a person interesting or not, and whether or not their parents had interesting hobbies or were interesting people since people tend to absorb traits they consider "good" from their parents (assume being interesting is a good trait). I think it's the detrimental things from the environment what makes a person uninteresting, there's a general "dumbing-down" of the population because of an aversion to think, mass media encourages people not to, and people give in because it's the easy path and thus become irremediably boring. The only ones who snap out of it are those who aren't afraid of "swimming against the current", or those who are really thoughtful by nature (trait inherited from parents or environment).

>>8339 I sent you an email I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship :*)

I wouldn't say I'm in fighting shape, nor am I a fighter. However, I started working out 3-5 times a week depending on how I'm feeling. I started lifting and fitness because I was told it would help with my depression and I'm glad to say it did, to a degree I'm hoping as I get stronger it will help more.

>>8306 Don't want to sound like a dick anon but this doesn't add up: A 10m15s mile is fatboy-tier (anybody in decent shape should be able to get 7 minutes), 100 situps isn't that impressive either, but 100 pushups without stopping is really damn good and 50 pullups in a row is insane. For somebody who rides your bike so much I'd imagine those stats to almost work in the opposite (crazy stamina for runs with underdeveloped strength). Even the judo shouldn't be able to develop that level of crazy bodyweight strength (I know wrestlers that have never touched a barbell but are much times stronger than me in that respect). You probably miscalculated something in your pull-ups (100 pushups in a row is really impressive but not impossible and I used to be do that when I was a kid and didn't weigh as much as I do now). Are you doing kipping pullups?

>>8382 Looking up a "kipping pullup" I find that my pullups are as described. I suppose I could run faster. But I have never bothered to time a full sprint... :P I would not call myself fat by any means. I have a 30 inch waist.

>>8380 Who is the artist? Looks like Tabachi Janice Pena...

I started getting into weightlifting after I had a surgery and wanted to get my strength back. Working my way up to a 4pl8 deadlift and the standard 1/2/3/4 overall. Currently stuck at 375 for 5 reps

A few years ago I started going to the gym, first lifting but then just running and doing body-weight work after I managed to injure myself. I eventually found that it was increasingly difficult to make myself go because I found it really dull, and I wasn’t really meeting my fitness goals, i.e. looking a bit better physically, and feel generally healthier - more awake, stronger, etc. I changed my goals slightly to not worry so much about appearance (I’m in a LTR and I don’t look bad, just a bit lanky) and instead I’ve taken up sport - I now play cricket in the summer and Australian rules football in the winter. Next summer season (ie after Sept/Oct) I might take up either basketball or a martial art since cricket isn’t terribly fitness-intensive. I’ve found the running around has been good for de-clouding my brain after work (software dev) and being in a social environment instead of just going home.

Just casual pull ups and push ups every other day, works fine for me. I would like to start running, but I don't really have a place and will power to do it.

A friend gave me some basic strength training stuff - weights, a pullup bar, a bench and dip bars. I've been using them every other morning since new year, and I feel much better for it - physically, emotionally, and the self respect/disciplined feeling that OP describes. I'm also gaining muscle too, and that's so nice to see considering I've always been skinnyfat. I'd highly recommend it to Lain if she's on the fence. >>10844 Have you tried skipping rope? I used to run for cardio but there's no good places to do it here either, so I hated it. Now I just skip in my garden every morning.

>>10849 > skipping rope Now that's something interesting to think about, thanks anon! Although I'm living in an apartment and there are people above and below me, however I have some kind of training ground outside where I can jump, I guess. Still better option than running alongside highway, breathing in traffic fumes.

I visit the gym and use the weight lifing machines and the abdominal device. I also do outdoor jogging and some treadmill running. During the summer, I swim in the public pool. At home, I do push ups, sit ups, and stretch exercises.

Exercise and a healthy physical body do contribute heavily to a positive mental outlook and higher energy levels throughout the day. If I exercise in the morning, I feel energetic and happy much further into the evening than if I had not. I don't do anything super difficult - either I run about 5k, or I do a bunch of bodyweight/kettlebell exercises at home. I take Saturdays off. It's important to take a break too!