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"4chan is now owned and led by Hiroyuki Nishimura, the founder of the largest anonymous BBS in Japan, 2channel. Read the full announcement on the 4chan News page." whoa cool- "Hiroyuki is a scumbug who works closely with data miners http://pastebin.com/CJPHJSmC" oh. anyone know more about this? picture unrelated.

>The great 2015 imageboard migrant crisis.

idk, 4chan will always have a dedicated userbase. even 8ch has died despite the soykaf they kept spewing. you would have to advertise in the next /qa/ that HN wil be doing tomorrow

>>14283 yet I don't think anything major will happen. anyone angry and paranoid enough to get worked up about shitty ownership left for 8chan months ago. between you and me anon, I'm starting to cut myself off from the usual chan boards to become a normalfriend! meaning, I don't care what happens anymore.

>>14285 >yet I don't think anything major will happen This, really. A few people will leave, a few might even come here, but in the long run the userbase will stay the same. Now if he actually starts selling 4chan user data (without changing the privacy policy) it might be a different matter. brb deleting 4chan gold account.

>>14284 now where will i go? i come here , thats a given , but 8ch's userbase is pretty intolerable

>>14288 I don't know anon. there's a guy in my steam friends list who keeps browsing 8chan and he's slowly turning into this bitter wannabe right-wing douchebag without realizing it. it's very painful to watch. by now, I'm just happy I was able to turn away from it. I suppose I can simply continue to post on lainchan every now and then. lainchan users should consciously make sure to post calmly and sincerely so as to avoid turning this site into another hellhole.

>>14290 It's what I love about this place - it doesn't have this rude, hostile atmosphere that pervades into real-life thought patterns I had to stop going on /int/ cause I was getting sincerely worked up about the refugee crisis in Europe

That pastebin could use some citations.

Jim Watkins, the guy who owns 2ch right now (as well as 8ch), basically fired Hiroyuki because he was a data miner, and ran a paid service to delete "undesirable" posts from 2ch -- so e.g. the Japanese govt could get critical discussions censored if they paid up. He's a scumbag of the worst kind. It's a sad, but appropriate ending for 4chan. It really is amazing how far that place has fallen in the last year and a half. I miss it, but just can't go back :-(

>>14295 http://www.anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/ this page has plenty more information on nishimura + citations

>>14302 The deletion of content was mandated by the justice system which I surmise he has to do in lieu of paying boatloads of money in the lawsuit he lost. None of this site's sources talk about selling data, that seems to be their own speculation on the link. It sounds just like bad infosecurity to me. The same thing happened to Sony, but they don't receive the same accusations.

>>14303 *That's leak, not link.

>>14284 >>14288 8chan is more active than ever. Maybe you're browsing the wrong boards?

>>14308 8ch seems to be full of /pol/tards everywhere you go. 4chan has a far nicer community.

Who in their right mind posted this? If you don't like /pol/tards them why link them here?

>>14312 I'd like to think we aren't all /pol/tards. should have checked this site out before, liking it so far.

>>14282 >anyone know more about this? Dude pissed off 2ch for selling user data to companies.

>>14285 >>14287 to be honest, I've been meaning to leave 4chan for awhile and spend more time here and on the other chans. For one, 4chan is a bit too cluttered and doesn't cater to as much of my own niche interests. Secondly, the less traffic, the less time I actually spend posting, which means I can multitask a little more easily.

>>14308 >go to the more popular boards that's the thing, people don't tolerate each other, they just branch off to more elitist brands until it's a dead tree of smaller and saller groups. also the whle userbase has been established by /v/ and /pol/ those are the last people/children I'd want to spend my time with. ever.

http://8ch.net/newspaper/res/3.html has some of the history. 4chan is really, utterly dead now.

>>14344 >that's the thing, people don't tolerate each other, they just branch off to more elitist brands until it's a dead tree of smaller and saller groups ...until they form their own image boards.

The sad thing is it's still going to be the most active *chan on the internets regardless of how soykaf it becomes.

So does this mean all of us autists need to move to a new chan? Hopefully 4chan won't change to much, but if Hiroyuki gets too greedy, I could see him completely destroying the 4chan we know.

>>14365 >So does this mean all of us autists need to move to a new chan? I only really visited /g/ and I've already left for Lainchan entirely. >Hopefully 4chan won't change to much, but if Hiroyuki gets too greedy, I could see him completely destroying the 4chan we know. There's nothing redeemable right now.

8ch anon here. What are your guys opinions on Jim Watkins and N.T. Technologies? I'm assuming from what I've read that lainchan is owned by some anon rather than a company which is a good thing. It seems that everything is getting consolidated and Watkins military background kinda spooks me. My rationale there is due to Hiroyuki's data sales were going on during the time he was involved but he claims to be innocent in it all. It would not surprise me in the sleightest if Hiroyuki wanted to pull the same soykaf in a different country. Lord knows there are plenty of private and government entities that would be willing to pay for that access, he shouldn't have any trouble monetizing that soykaf . That of course brings up the issues with Jim, in so that the guy could up and do the same soykaf to 8ch with no trouble whatsoever. As a commander in the US army he should have no trouble getting in contact with people who would want to buy that data either and do the same soykaf Hiroyuki did/does. It didn't really bother me before when I had heard Jim was taking over soykaf simply because I didn't know enough about the 2channel situation overall, ignorance is bliss. But with the current state of things the consolidation of the two largest imageboards in the hands of two power players is a bit too much to bear. Anyways, apologies for going on a full tinfoil thing here, I'm going to go back to lurking for a bit and kinda get a handle on what lainchan is all about. All of this just happens to have me rethinking my own personal security on devices and whatnot. I've decided I'll be browsing 8ch for the meanwhile still, but will stop posting unless it's absolutely dire, but I think I'll be making lainchan my new home for the meanwhile.

>>14308 I know that not every board is dying/stormfrontified but the boards do seem susceptible to both. The site was popularized by this big /v/ exodus and by people worried about moot/mods selling out to SJW influences. This means the original settlers are people who have as many conspiracy theories as they have anger management issues. 8/pol/ users live in a torture chamber hugbox where they discuss their plans for social media brainwashing and sockpuppetry. Large boards can't shut up about SJWs. There's a couple of boards that manage to escape this bull soykaf McCarthyist atmosphere but they are extremely niche and have pretty much formed their own subcultures. Maybe Hiroyuki will screw up hard enough to cause another mass exodus. This time, people will care about privacy and data mining instead of just about being anti-SJW.

>>14284 lulwut, 8ch is highly active. It's almost how 4chan used to be before all the twelve years olds showed up.

>>14395 SJW is the new N_____. In fact the comparison goes even further, because the people they talk about soykaf things up on the Internet the way rioters in Baltimore shat things up. Chan communities have never been happy-go-lucky places; at least not until Lainchan.

>>14285 >anyone angry and paranoid enough to get worked up about shitty ownership left for lainchn months ago ftfy 8chan a shit

>>14395 i came here for privacy, i hope i can contribute to this chan culture but i feel like i am not as experienced in certain things so i will probably lurk more than i will post. let's see if others join in aswell.

Holy Shit, watching the QA as an outsider is pretty damn funny. And kind of sad.

>>14285 Well 8ch is actually owned by a former buisness associate of Hiroyuki

I came here to post that I left 4chan entirely as of the 20th when I heard the announcement of who took over as owner. It's a shame, I was active on that board since it's start and original exodus from Something Awful and really got involved around 2006 when /tg/ and some of the other fun creative boards got off the ground. Anyway the constant raids made the site too high profile and over the years the userbase became much more... boring, less unique. If anyone is familiar with the phrase "Eternal September" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September - that was around '08 for 4chan. Now they're owned by a dataminer. I'm gone from there forever, I came here because I enjoyed reading your zines, they remind me of old 2600 quarterlies. I hope this chan community stays active.

>>14440 2600

watching the trainwreck of a Q&A. The guy seems to have good intentions, but it's clear he didn't lurk 4chan at all before posting, and needs to work on his english. Still, better than a totally faceless and invisible mod/admin team we'd had since moot left.

>>14440 Welcome aboard. I help write for the zines, and so I'm glad you enjoyed reading them.

>>14410 Lurk more is all you can do, but don't feel discouraged I have little knowledge when it comes to technology, even less with programming/hacking, and I've found plenty of threads across boards that I can engage with

>>14444 >>14442 Thanks, I'm enjoying the community here. I might eventually do some writeups for the zine, there are 3 topics in particular that haven't been covered that might be interesting to explore in more depth. Lockpicking, history of Usenet/forums and maybe digital archaeology. Not sure what the editors are looking for but I'm always one for contributing to projects like these in any way I can.

>>14446 The zine thread is on top of /lit/ right now, so head over there as soon as you can. I suggest you offer what you can now while the chan is still young. Already, people are saying it's not what it used to be - and whether it's true or not, we will see more and more newshitters coming in the near future.

This is why you never get involved in internet politics. Everyone is full of soykaf . Humorously Jim Watkins also apparently owns 8chan, which by and large hates 4chan and is desperate for new users. We'll see how the court handles it, I trust their judgement more than anyone else involved in this nonsense.

>>14451 To be blunt, this guy can't be trusted just by the fact that he can't speak our language. ("Our" meaning all English-speaking chans.) All politics aside, we can barely even comprehend the words coming out of his mouth. This guy can be the most rational and ethical being on the face of the fuarrrk ing Earth; But if no one can understand what he's saying exactly through his language how the fuarrrk would we EVER know? half chan is fuarrrk ing stupid.

>>14451 Yeah I don't know who to believe, especially because I don't know much about the Japanese internet drama I agree with you, I'm going to wait until something from the court case pops up somewhere or until there's more evidence, I'll save my judgement until than

>>14446 Any of those would be great. The editors are looking for anything that fits on the boards. I personally want to see more not-programming articles. 4chan is still, despite everything, 10x better than 8chan. I Don't know much about Japanese internet drama, but this new guy seems really green to 4chan culture. Which, could be a good thing for the chan.

>>14453 >I Don't know much about Japanese internet drama wtf are you me? Literally hive mind.

>>14284 For me 8gag was never a good reason to migrate from 4chan. Hiroyuki is.

>>14456 My interest and usage of 4chan died down heavily after jewt incorporated recaptcha/passes years back. Then hiding sage, having a corrupt and unprofessional moderation team, and not allowing posts from VPN's was a good reason to jump ship too. There really has been nothing redeemable about 4chan in the past 4+ years, and 8ch is probably the best imageboard currently in terms of freedoms.

>>14458 The userbase of 8chan is full of the most obnoxious people on the internet and it still manages to move at a mile an hour. I'd say that by far outweighs any benefits the site might have. I will be very surprised if the site maintains even its current userbase over the next couple of years.

>>14458 >recaptcha So since like 2008 or so? >passes >hiding sage What's your problem with those? >corrupt and unprofessional moderation team Of course they're unprofessional. Why are you expecting professionalism from a bunch of volunteers? >>14459 Yeah. It's the ultimate proof that the pace of a board isn't always inversely proportional to its quality.

>>14458 >Then hiding sage, having a corrupt and unprofessional moderation team And fuarrrk , you complain about an unprofessional moderation team on 4chan, 8chan had mods publicly shaming users by posting their previous activity on the site and handed out bans left and right.

Let me get this straight: before Hiroyuki when 4chan's admin and mod team were anonomous, moot still owned the site? And moot was the one who made the sale?

>>14462 So it seems.

>>14460 >So since like 2008 or so? No, it was later than that, like around '10-'11. The overt reason was to stop kimmo's spambots, but the ulterior motive was so moot could start issuing passes and rake in more dosh off of 4chan, and also from google adsense. >What's your problem with those? Sage should be viewable to show you feel your post isn't important enough to bump the thread- it isn't always a bad thing. Passes mean having your credit card number and other personal information compromised like what happened a while back. >>14461 Didn't know about that. So 8chan mods are on the same level as 4chan's? I've never experienced it or seen complaints about it.

>>14464 >so moot could start issuing passes and rake in more dosh off of 4chan Are you dense?

>>14464 >on the same level I hardly recall any instances of 4chan mods being that immature.

>>14464 >Didn't know about that. It's because he let literally anyone moderate.

>>14465 Don't act like moot didn't turn a profit from selling 4chan passes.

>>14469 I'm not acting like that. I'm just saying your post is completely irrelevant. People wanted to donate and give money to 4chan and you're mad that they did

>>14470 then straight up ask for donations, instead of bribing your users with the incentive of not having to fill out a captcha for every post if you pay up

>>14471 You are describing black mail, not a bribe. I think it's clever and not so bad. People were BEGGING to be able to donate.

>>14282 >Hiroyuki was caught exploiting users and selling data to companies and the Japanese government while Jim Watkins (supposedly unaware of this whole thing) ran 2channel >fast forward a couple of years >8chan gets a massive flood of Gamergate traffic >Jim Watkins becomes a business associate of Hotwheels and lends him servers and protection for ad revenue >Hiroyuki has been staying friendly with moot (even while Hiro was still mining user data) >8chan is DDOSed into the ground at the peak of Gamergate >Jim Watkins takes 8chan off of Hotwheels' hands to relieve him of stress without making the deal public >moot resigns around this same time >Hiroyuki suddenly takes over as 4chan's owner >two close business partners who data mined the soykaf out of Name/Pass/IP/CC in Japan now own the two top forumboards in the United States >two websites made popular by user anonymity, decisive individual power, and freedom of speech I sure hope all of you own guns and keep your OpSec tight, because the oppressive digital police state might be closer than we think.

>>14374 >What are your guys opinions on Jim Watkins and N.T. Technologies? He's doing the same thing that Hiroyuki did to 2ch, it's kind of ironic that 2 people who were/are in charge of the biggest Japanese imageboard are now in charge of the 2 biggest English speaking imageboards. It's also funny that a serious company is actually running an imageboard.

>>14474 That was what I was thinking. It's just too weird of a coincidence. I really can't trust the guy. Not like you can really trust anyone online in the first place.

>>14464 >captchas around '10 or '11 I could be wrong, but I started browsing 4chan in '09, and I don't remember a time without captchas, except for /f/, which didn't get captcha until maybe '13. >ulterior motive was so moot could start issuing passes This is just pure bull soykaf . captcha had been around a good while before the pass was introduced, and the pass was anon's idea, not moot's. If moot was really a greedy jew, why did he decline random donations for so long?

>>14464 >>14479 Forgot to mention: >Passes mean having your credit card number and other personal information compromised They take bitcoin. If you're concerned about security, use that.

Lainchan doesn't do the same soykaf 8ch and 4chan have now been known to do? Right?

>>14282 Well 4chan had to end at some point anyway. If soykaf does hit the fan I'll just be glad that I was able to experience the site before it became officially kill. Though I always hoped it would end silently with me typing the address in as usual and having a little 404 pop up.

>>14454 2ch is pretty much 4chan but Japanese. They don't like foreigners and anyone who posts in english gets derezzed . they also block you from posting if you don't live in Japan(maybe korea is allowed?). politically, they pretty much match /pol/ with their ridiculous nationalistic opinions. some japanese seems to forget sometimes the lessons learned from WW2. 2ch overall has it's cancerous boards, but it's not the worst site. this guy who bought 4chan is screwed because 4chan always gets itself into legal trouble one way or another.

>>14479 I have a feeling that guy wasn't on 4chan for as long as he claims.

>>14485 >this guy who bought 4chan is screwed because 4chan always gets itself into legal trouble one way or another. He also borrowed money to buy the site and has a history of not paying court mandated fees in Japan. If he gets into legal trouble with the US he's fuarrrk ed because they don't screw around with that kind of stuff.

>>14486 >>14479 That anon was correct, here's a blogpost that says it was 2010 that moot added in captcha. https://fullphaser1.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/4chans-captcha/ Before then you didn't have to fill out captchas at all, and there was spam aplenty back then. Mods were also way more lax than they are now, where they'll ban for racism and hotlinking to sites they hate, like 8chan.

>>14508 >like 8chan. post this on /v/ if you want a week long ban

>>14512 See, I don't get it. Lainchan never did this kind of spam soykaf . Yet they hate us and ban our official ads.

>>14458 Sure 8ch gives you lots of freedom, but be honest, no one actually likes the drama that came from/come from inter-board raids and general spamming. The kind of moderation here is just a common sense type of feel, don't be rude and loud, not because you'll get derezzed for it, but because you're in a quiet place. As soon as you start getting really specific and looking for loopholes in rules, no one has any fun. The people on 8ch have the "free speech" card to play whenever moderation like this is enforced, which we don't have. This overall makes for a relaxing community where you can just discuss things without getting furious over nothing. I have no interest in cyber, anime, or programming, but I keep coming back to this site just for /r/. >>14512 On 8chan, anyone can come butcher the moderation job, but on 4chan they have a select group who specialize in doing a terrible job. Same difference really, one chan is apathetic and one is paranoid.

>>14473 tl;dr: 4chan and 8chan confirmed to be honeypots I bet MJ12 did this. Thank god I never really used 4chan, only posted twice on /d/ back in 2013.

>>14473 Jim Watkins never data-mined, stop spreading this disinfo please.

>>14522 >stop spreading this disinfo please. But that's all any of this is at this point. Nobody should be talking about it at all. It's a bunch of useless speculation.

>>14446 >Lockpicking, history of Usenet/forums PLEASE do write ups on those I'm an editor and have been wanting those. for lockpicking theres a interesting practice method in the short film "The Salivation Army"

>>14522 I never said that he did, anon. I said that Hiroyuki was still data mining through 2chan after he'd given up control to Jim Watkins. Jim Watkins, of course, was completely unaware that Hiroyuki was receiving sums of money from governments and individuals alike for censoring 2chan while actively ignoring posts complaining about deletion. >>14527 Where's the speculation, anon? 4chan is now owned by a Japanese man with a history of scamming forumboards. 8chan is now owned by a company that's owned by a close business partner of that Japanese man.

So 8chan is now Duckduckgo-tier in terms of security/privacy, eh? Why is it that all the big chans get compromised?

>>14446 Please do a piece on lockpicking!!!

>>14539 >Where's the speculation, anon? It's generally a good idea to read a thread before you post in it. And even better to not be the type of person to believe something just because it was written on the internet.

>>14539 > 8chan is now owned by a company that's owned by a close business partner of that Japanese man. And that's *was* a business partner, if you can call it that. Jesus, you don't even know what happened and you're jumping to all sorts of conclusions.

>>14541 Maybe refrain from entrusting your personal data to third parties when you're unsure of what they collect. Imageboards and websites in general aren't secure places to put sensitive information. So don't give it to them.

>>14541 >Duckduckgo-tier in terms of security/privacy Did something happen to DDG aside from the fact they're US based?

He seems like a relatively okay guy. Lurked a bit on /qa/ yesterday, and more people seem to like him than dislike him. Let's just hope he lives up to his claims of not selling off user data

Isn't 8ch also partially owned by 2ch

>>14569 the guy who owns 2channel also own 8chan yes.

>>14555 >more people seem to like him than dislike him That's because he's Japanese and they're idiots and all the smart people left. These people would worship a literal turd as long as it had "made in Japan" written on it.

>>14549 I believe ye olde /g/ has been talking soykaf about duckduckgo for at least a year now but I don't remember why.

>>14574 I think the owner of DDG had ties to some analytics company or something.

>>14549 The guy running DDG sold user data at his previous business, so he's not really to be trusted.

>>14440 I'm here because someone linked from /qa/, and so far I'm liking the atmosphere (and language enhancers ). I'll probably still use my homeboard /tg/, because no admin will ever care about /tg/. It's neither as friendly nor as resourceful as it used to be, but it's a much better place to share and converse about my interests than reddit.

>>14549 >>14574 there's a writeup on the 8ch sticky about it with sourcing and documentation and stuff. It's basically as >>14575 says

>>14613 I can't find anything related to ddg in 8ch /g/

>>14290 >wannabe right-wing douchebag Still better than being a pretentious anarchist kiddo.

>>14573 >projecting this much Anyway, why is lainchan derezzed from advertising on 4chan? Is the prior to the /g/ thread kalyx made?

>>14623 https://8ch.net/tech/ddg.html

>>14626 No, it's not any better.

>>14626 not really.

>>14649 >>14652 He's right. Most of pretentious anarchist kiddo are not even anarchist. They are mostly bourgeois socialist, or any sort of left-wing authoritarian, thinking that they are fighting for liberty.

>>14626 It depends. I can cut the guy some slack because he works a soykaf job and had an even more soykaf childhood. STATUS UPDATE: As much as we shake our heads at the chest-pounding anger and tribalism so rampant on 8chan we can at least count on them to pay attention: Google is apparently getting involved in the social media tone policing war - presumably to push for more tight control so users will feel safer and more readily expose their info online. Remember: A consumer in a comfort zone is a consumer ready for data strip mining, so please keep your thoughtcrimes (privacy concerns) to yourself.

well, that was to be expected :)

>>14282 Thank god I've stopped using chans other than lainchan

>>15635 Don't think lainchan won't do the same one day. Maybe it already has.

>>14282 Here's a secret: There are more or less nonfat-soykaf drinker s and marketers posting depending on the time. Sunday and thursday mornings around 10am-3pm GMT time are nice. Weekday mornings aside from monday and friday are okay. Saturdays are subjective by board; you may get lucky or syou might see the same twenty threads reposted.

I kind of like the cuck->kek language enhancer, tbh

>>14284 >8ch has died Please elaborate. It seems pretty vital.