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EU law initiative proposal for sub-surface development

Turner · 2026-06-26 15:56
I need people smarter than me in kicking my EU-wide law project into gear. I don't know how to do this and probably can't do this alone. I'm also not well versed on the market/regulatory/etc realities on the EU therefore getting some experience into this thread would be great. If there are things that i'm being dumb on, i need to know. I have not seen or heard of such a law project or even a discussion in that particular direction the likes of which i would like to suggest to the EU bodies, that's shocking to me as i think nowadays it is especially relevant. As something of an EU patriot i think it would also help advance European interests globally and it is an environmental and housing advantage also. I also choose the EU because of my perception of it being a more democratic entity willing to hear people out. I want to help pass a EU law that promotes sub-surface/underground construction of all types of infrastructure for all manners of uses such as leisure (malls, shops), transport (interconnections clearing up surface level traffic), medical (making it more systematic), housing especially (will also help normalize living underground, may drive down housing prices and energy expenditure due to thermal isolation), strategic (all manners of transformer rooms, food storage, retail stocks etc), administrative, educational, and even industrial (production outputs in-house whenever practical) maybe even power plants! This seems necessary or at least highly advantageous nowadays for several reasons: >Climate. Living underground affords constantly cooler temperatures and protects from heatwaves, storms, bitter winters, etc. More heatwaves are coming. >Conflict. A nation living underground has a better advantage versus the threat of M.A.D doctrine and overall better protected (from small arms also) >Environmental. Vertical density provides more compact cities. Less green land gets taken over and destroyed. >More fluidity in vehicular traffic. Same originator as the above point. A fluid nation is a faster nation. >Convenience overall. Your office might be above you, or below you, cities may become more walkable, things run smoother and faster. Plus it's cozy. >Long-term: no more ugly high-rises, more greenery in your environment and less urban sprawl. Power savings. Freed up space for other things. More. The main mechanisms for the encouragement are, at least in my draft, as follows: >Regulatory definition and clarification of housing codes as would be applied to underground space, including safety and environmental regulations. This enables developers to tread on clear and defined ground which gives them stability and something to expect. >Tax cuts or incentives. While the energy bill might come across as more attractive to renting companies, the construction companies in themselves might see subsurface work as a risky business financially speaking due to lack of experience and perceived public opinion on living below ground. Economic encouragement should allow developers to consider these projects with less pressure on their shoulders. >Percentage minimums per city or region. Beyond the market sphere, forcing cities to build a small determined percentage of their public space underground might get them to take the opportunity in developing something useful for their town wherever the soil allows it, such as storage, offices, nurseries, and whatever might be needed in their jurisdiction. Even something less useful gardens or some random cultural/youth spot would normalize and promote underground living and experiences. Even an addition of just one percent of a city's area can be quite significant depending on the size of the city. There could be a purpose category system where some types of infrastructure is financially promoted as more useful (versus, say, leisure). This is to prevent cramming by lazy administrators just to meet a quota. >Other mechanisms that i wasn't smart enough to spot. At this point i would like to point out that many such projects are already out there and successful in the world. >Finland, Helsinki, is developing underground complexes with churches, stadiums, schools, and more. >Montreal, Canada, has had an underground section for many years, sporting malls, restaurants, offices and businesses, which includes residential space in the form of hotels. >China has been building underground districts for a while now. >Private companies and homeowners (that word has meow in it lol) have been building bunkers on people's lands for decades, all around the globe. So it works. People live underground, work underground, and enjoy life underground. And from various testimonies, they surely prefer it to braving the heatwave in summer or a freezing blizzard in winter above, on the surface. Right now my plan is to submit a draft as a Citizen's Initiative but i don't have the requirements to make it succeed. I need help from lainons to spot the flaws in my program and suggest better promotion mechanisms for the developers to pick it up. Infrastructure is already being built underground, i know that, but the pace is not nearly enough and pressingly haphazard between states. I have no idea how to write legal proposals and what to do exactly. If anyone has experience in that domain that's currently what i need. More is required!
Drifter · 2026-06-26 16:13
you vill live underground and eat ze bugs you vill enjoy zis
John Doe · 2026-06-26 16:21
>>49305 Please turn your brain on when you're talking to me
Lord Nikon · 2026-06-26 16:39
>>49307 its on, i just dont need to give much more effort for something that is either schizophrenic ramblings or ai generated
Mentat · 2026-06-29 05:46
>>49308 I lowkirk think it's neither, seems to me like a sperg with time
Shortcat · 2026-06-29 09:42
There is issue with your image of this, such stuff is regulated country-wide and not by EU itself. Sure, there is possibility of EU directive on this where member countries implement in some kind of fashion, however from my opinion it would be far better to implement this regional/nation-wide and later bug EU parliament on this. Some countries in EU(didn't looked into details, sorry) have similiar stuff already implemented in some form (like allowing building underground shelters at your average house - this particularly changed when UA-RUS was broke out) Your idea is pretty nice one, and as you noted sub-surface malls - those are quite common so not much to change here, still some points here require further digging and work, but nevertheless sole idea is valid one, keep at it. (for chaotic post, sorry, i have brainmelt)
Trinity · 2026-06-30 05:15
>>49334 I went with EU first because i'm a federalist, but of course if it's unpractical and there are better ways i can consider those. EU law just seems convenient for getting countries to adopt this as well as how transparent and digitally democratic it is. Moreover it would help frontier developers such as germany building in poland and such. Another thing if you want to help me lainon is simply to spread awareness, some of these EU incentives require up to 7 people to get a petition going to have some executive body even look at the law. So just spread this around and maybe i can make a neocities or something. The core problem remains: i am not a builder, i can't code for soykaf nor do i know laws. Or even how they work. So idk right now i just need more outreach on it
DesuDesuJesus · 2026-06-30 07:48
Before anything, forget that petitions have any power, if any meaningful petition passed to legislation work phase then it was lobbied beforehand, no idea from bottom ever reached the top if not the fact it had VERY vast support from not only society but also companies / privileged groups, but while at this, may you tell why are you so focused on this topic? seems bit strange as i would expect forcing things like "encryption, freedom of trade, privacy" but not quite "underground buildings" which is why it piqued my interest
Arisu Mizuki · 2026-07-09 04:32
>>49308 The guy describe himself as an EU patriot. He don't even understand that EU isn't a nation and is an administrative dictatorship that is not different from the late Soviet union. The Politburo is simply named the comission and isn't elected, the president have less power than the king of England and the Soviet suprem which is only free to validate what the politburo decided is the assembly. That being said, troglodyte housing is cool.
The Fin · 2026-07-13 04:00
>>49433 The EU should be a nation. And cynical twerps like you should run back to russia where it clearly isn't a tyrannical dictatorship not different from the soviet union at all, comrade. OR you're american in which case i'm sure you're enjoying your honest-to-dollar democracy (farce) over there. You have 2 parties to choose from and both of them suck. Then the only thing that's left as a major political player is china, no comment required. Now which of these 3 have the most democracy in them? You're focusing on the commission as if there isn't a parliament that's elected, as if there isn't a veto system, sure okay the commission's not very democratic. Maybe USA/russia/china is better??? Or are you just from the third world? Either way who cares man, troglodyte housing IS cool. You can start agitating for no reason OR try to change the world for the better. You are wonderfully free to make that choice. Just like you're free to be a cynical droid.
The Fin · 2026-07-13 04:01
>>49433 I refuse to hate you and agitate against you in either case