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Browsing the net as a jew is so depressing nowadays. I can go to different websites, catering to different people, and in most of them, there will be antisemitic content. When I first started using imageboards, I did so because I wanted to escape from the monotony of for-profit social media, basically Twitter. And to be honest, I quite enjoy the liberty you have on 4chan. You can post many subversive content there, or otherwise content that defy the common sense (without necessarily being subversive), or you can talk about obscure topics, most of the time with people who are somewhat educated (I believe I read that a reasonable part of 4chan users are either in college or have a degree). However, 4chan, as well as Twitter, are filled with antisemitic posts, and this hurts me so much. Nobody deserves being attacked just because of who they are. The beliefs spread there are fake and can be traced to historic events, and influence real attacks and wrond-doings to real people. Yet, these websites normalize it and sometimes incentives this. It's terrible! Wherever I go, even IRL, even if it's another country (I'm traveling right now), I will see antisemitic propaganda on the streets. People from the left and from the right reproduce this bullshit. And suddenly I feel unsafe speaking about my identity. I entered in college and couldn't tell anyone I'm jewish. Anyways, this post is a mess. I'm sorry I did a soykafty job organizing my thoughts (I'm a sleepy ESL), but I hope I could get my point across. Thanks lainadmins for being so based.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf.)

Greetings. You can definitely be certain your perspective is welcome, especially given current events. I'm one of those non-Jewish people whose best friends are Jewish and respect accomplished Jews from the past, such as Spinoza and Einstein for example. I'm sorry you feel conflicted about your ancestry but you can be sure there are people who sympathize.

I can understand disfavoring a Jew for believing religion, but it is pretty dumb to see people say that all Jews are vermin. I personally do not believe little Anne Frank is out to get me and has a plot to dominate the world or whatever they say now (especially after Epstein gained more traction) >read that a reasonable part of 4chan users are either in college or have a degree I doubt that. Most of them are ill or children. The new generation has swept it, and it is really noticeable. Even places that were meant for thought like /lit/ are now filled with retards who can barely understand the contents of what they had just read.

I'm sure you can find racist content just about any race.

Its quite tragic but you shouldnt let things get to you, being afraid doesnt help and holding your distance in these troubled times is the most reasonable approach. The situation certainly got worse since the whole recent situation in israel, which gave a lot of bad press and stirred up the pot, hell i met a person who was a non jewish cuban whos first name was israel and people attacked him so far as to tell him to change his name, its ridiculous. Also a lot of racism/antisemitism isnt so much personal as it might seem, there are those who just do it for the lulz getting in the action of the flashmob, then there are those who just like to take out their aggression on easy victims and form flash mobs. Also this has been going on for so long its memetic by now, you cant get rid of it im afraid, it might be a morbid suggestion, but you should try to resort to humor, its a good way for diffusing such situations on both sides. As an alternative you can change your identity, you are way less likely to get attacked when you look like a rasta or whatever for example.

When I was a teenager I read a lot of great books and learned a lot about notable people throughout history. One day I realized that most of the people I admired were Jews. Most of the Jews I've met and interacted with have been really cool people. I haven't seen anything in my long life to change that opinion.

>>48333 As somebody who know what is in your holy texts, I have a question: Do you reject and denounce the Talmud? Because if you don't, then they do not have a problem with you, you have a problem with them and if you do, well, then you have Jewsih ancestry and mabe some aspect of the Jewish culture but you are not really a Jew. Rape is bad, slavery is bad, murder is bad, and no, I do not consider this morality to be subjective. You can not tolerate the justification for those things. Distance yourself with that.

>>48333 Mentiswave's video on the groypers encompases the feeling towards jews both from "low IQ antisemites" and more reasonable types like him. He denounces antisemitism by pointing out that just because their per-capita is higher in certain things does not enable collective guilt against all jews. I believe there is a significant portion of groypers that don't actually think that every jew is evil but still act antisemitically to ragebait the people that think that the smallest percieved antisemitic act is totally always a deliberate evil act equivalent to being best friends with Hitler (in other words, this antisemitism is reactionary to the social shaming tactic of cancelling people for supposedly being antisemitic, the same thing that happened with black/white racism). Even if many don't mean it, antisemitism is still used as a propaganda tool. I think it ain't all jews, I think using jew as a clasification is detrimental to the understanding of politics, and of course, it is also very mean.

God that image is so hot I wish I was him and she would stomp on his/my balls.

>>48353 Yeah, I have yet to see articles titled "We must end Jewness" or "It's time to deny Jew the franchise" or a major corporation have a wide commercial campaign around "try to be less Jew". 90% of online hate is either against whites or against men.

>>48333 Ay. That's rough. I've not been around many parts of the internet that are blatantly antisemetic. Dropped twitter a long time ago. I really just reside on slow imageboards or in my small friend circle now. but to see it even irl... what are the talking points, friend? Perhaps I have blindspots due to not being jewish myself. > (I believe I read that a reasonable part of 4chan users are either in college or have a degree). It was probably true in the early days of 4chan when having access to the internet was still a new thing. I don't believe it is, now.

>>48333 You know, I used to sign my posts with my real name back in the happy days. It was a bad idea. Now, I avoid using names. Pretty much everything should hide own nationality online IMO, as nationbanter is the most vernacular thing possible online. And my name sounds awfully easy to target for a vernacular person btw.

>Nobody deserves being attacked just because of who they are. If I've realized one thing, it is that you're always a proxy for the group you belong to or are perceived to be part of. There is no escape from this really aside of maybe achieving the "one based yid" status. Other than that if your people are known for cutting and sucking on baby dick, being the stingiest landlords, be the reason why coins have ridges, and so on then well, too bad for you. Maybe try to look inwards and fix jewish culture before going online and kvetching about antiseptism, that or denounce it entirely. You do not need being a self identifying jew if you wish to be treated as an individual foremost. Making it an intrinsic part of your identity to be part of a population who are dead set on materializing a self fulfilling prophecy of "goym will turn on us eventually so we must cheat them out of everything while we still can", now that will naturally open you up for emotional distress. Now is this fair? Of course not, but this is how things work. And it makes sense to run heuristics like that if we're being honest. And believe me I know how hurtful that is. While it's illegal in my country to even tell you a step by step guide of becoming collectively less hated, it's alright to say on even mainstream news that people like me need to be killed. I just try to get out of the way as much as possible and not adding any more fuel to those flames. Instead I see jews panicking and basically become a walking stereotype, checking all the boxes that the online discourse attributes to them. Funny how these things tend to spiral. >You can post many subversive content there Wait, don't tell me you're the asshole spamming all that BBC and c*ck p*rn there!

antisemitism is on the rise nowadays, you can mostly thank 4chan style edgy humor proliferating into instagram and tiktok normal person spaces. i think the last thing anybody expected back in the 2010s is that antisemitism would make such a comeback with younger gen z and gen alpha. obviously the actions of the state of israel aren't helping the image of the jewish people as a whole either, but obviously that doesn't excuse antisemitism one bit

>>48379 >victim blaming look, maybe you should look at yourself first and not just blame the jews for everything

>>48381 Sorry, but did you mean to reply to >>48378 instead but that high verbal IQ just didn't translate well? Since what >>48379 is bs. 4chan is great at capturing the zeitgeist in a memetic, easy to distribute way. But they are not the inherit source of recent contempt for your tribe. Look, I get it, what I say isn't nice. But it is important for you to understand if you don't want to be the mensh who ends up being like "oy vey, how did dis happen?" if or rather once what I think will happen eventually happens. I'm not the regular p*ltard either and am possibly the only person who's trying to warn you honestly. Not a threat either, just what I see happening. And this is the only place where I can even tell you this. I don't want you dead like the uncle Addie fanclub. But neither are the shabbos goyem like >>48334 going to tell you what's going on. They're just mindless yes-men. Thing is, modern Western nations were basically the closest we ever had to a truly meritocratic society. But whenever native Europeans see thins like: >jews for refugees >some rich jew named Shlomo saying live on air to SHUT IT DOWN >social media being managed by Mossad or even forcefully handed to some Israeli company like TikTok was >all the other weird things that somehow have Israel or Mossad involved >seeing one of the most successful musicians debanked over night for pointing out what the ethnic distribution the management has running the labels >not being able to organize to defend your ethnic's or even nation's interests but jews somehow are protected from all criticism by law >basically all criticism of jews' ethnocentrism being dismissed or shut down by claims of antisemitism, which is a stupid but effective term I give you that >any other thing jews do as a quasi collective which reflects or reaffirms some stereotype or image board meme then it makes the goym just a little bit more angry each time and the chances of going back to an open and meritocratic society shrinks by another bit. Of course I don't blame the jews for everything. That would be ridiculous, but don't tell me there aren't real grievances. I understand that you (as in tribe) are just playing the game. And I also don't want to pull you down just for being collectively successful. That would go against the benefit of humanity at large if we just go all crabs in a barrel. But Europeans still operate on a different "fairness" mindset and thus feel cheated. And as someone who has to experience real discrimination and zero special protection by the law while arguably jews had a pretty good time in comparison in the past half century, I can even understand the anger. You may not like this, or even agree. But take it from this goym that this is basically the situation and someone like Nick Fuentes isn't really radicalizing people as much as just channeling a brewing zeitgeist. And the only peaceful resolve I see in the future is for the jewish people to snap out of their knee-jerk reaction to unconditionally side with their tribe and reject the elements of your culture which are drawing all that negative attention to you as a whole. Euro-Americans did that with the rednecks for instance. Thus denounce the Talmud, stop trying to "heal the world" and pushing the practice of mutilating the dicks of children who aren't even jewish. And seriously deal with that sect who thinks some old prophecy will be fulfilled once everybody hates the jewish tribe and you're all by yourself. Maybe consider that there isn't such a thing as the "chosen people". And for crying out loud stop being so incredibly sensitive about every little thing. Back in the 90's guys would trow random slurs at each other but somehow we were in a time of post-racism regardless. If the jews manage to put in these compromises then, maybe we can go back to an accepting meritocratic and egalitarian civilization again where the only people insulting you for your heritage online are nothing but some fringe or edgy idiots. Not some average bloke who means it.

mossad's attempts to gather support for jews keep getting more creative...

It's annoying enough as is for everyone else. I don't think they all are actually antisemetic in the sense of legitimate hatred, more so just being attention whoring trend followers. Do keep in mind criticism of pro Israeli state Zionism isn't antisemitism though, even though sometimes antisemites use it as a dog whistle they tend to make it pretty clear quickly. Side note I find the term antisemite weird. Why do Jews get stakes on the term semite? Arabs are semites too.

As a pure agnostic and bisexual I don't tolerate any religion that says I should be in hell or be punished because of the way I am, so I have no sympathy for jews too, if you are a good person consider abandoning your religion.

>be a Jew >complain about escaping for profit social media >realising that your own people created that for various reasons >complain about racism and hate from goyims >realising we hate goyims and fuel racism

>>48388 You cant just stop being a Jew. First of all you're a descendant of Israel (assuming you are) and second of all you can't just get out of a contract like that (and if you're not a descendant of Israel then it just doesnt matter lol)

>>48382 >>jews for refugees How /p*l/-brained do you have to get to see this as nefarious? Surely you can think of a reason jews might disproportionately support refugees that isn't about undermining the white race? >denounce the Talmud Personally I think religion is stupid, but surely you don't expect jews to denounce their religious texts because of those lists of every crazy thing the Talmud says, which you could make for any other religion? >pushing the practice of mutilating the dicks of children who aren't even jewish Circumcision is barbaric, but I don't think jews encourage non-jews to do it. I get that defending people from slander doesn't play very well on imageboards, and I fully expect to be called a jew for posting this, but the fact is you have been sold a story that's about 90% bullshit. And because of the way imageboard culture works, it's hard to push back on this sort of bullshit, while there are people who for whatever reason make it their life's goal to convince everyone of it.

>>48390 didnt they though in the past, and then the levites slaughtered the circumcised normal people?

>>48389 Most so called ethnic Jews are Ashkenazi Jews which are just a bunch of Polish and Germans who had no ties to Israel-Palestine for thousands of years. >>48387 The founder of MySpace and the guy who was CEO of Google when it acquired YouTube and the guy behind Twitter and current owner Elon none or them were Jewish, ethnically or religiously. Mark Zuckerberg is the only one that actually is Jewish.

Yeah it's really bad for jews right now. You have my sympathies for what it's worth.

Hey OP what do you think about "The Culture of Critique"?

>>48390 this is just one example but YES THEY DO https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2158244013508960

Here's the understanding i've picked up from video lectures and random stuff on the net: The jews are cohesive or well connected to each other and share a common religion, as well as have merchant skillz and are spread throughout the world. The ones in israel also have a shared goal to take the territory that was promised to them in the old testament or talmud or whatever. For the secret societies that more or less control the world order, this makes them great pawns or partners to do their bidding. For this they are rewarded with being able to take part in these secret societies. The goal of these secret societies is to transfer from america as the "center" of the world to israel as the "center" of the world. For this, they need all the jews to return to israel. The way they accomplish this is by doing really bad things and turning israel against the rest of the world, pushing antisemitism. So there's a difference between israeli zionists and jews, and if you fail to make the distinction and spread hate against jews in general, you are aiding these secret societies in their evil plans

>>48397 get rid of the books that define jews as a higher class and we can be friends, simple as.

You're supposed to be a holy people so you need to meet that bar. I know Jews who live above the fray you're in and it's because they're very familiar with their holy ancestors and not incidentally are experts in Hebrew. Your situation is fixable. Besides, Freemasons Ba'alites Bavarian elites Iraqi heretic Jews and Jews like the Rothschild banking families play "blame the Jew" and otherwise inflame anti-Semitic sentiments to hide themselves, gain political capital (make problem / sell solution) and weaken good Jews because they're Erev Rav. So you need to be scrupulous about who you associate with or you'll be catching flak for your soykaftiest relatives and evil randoms.

>>48393 You don't have to be a Jew to sell out to then , although I don't believe Elon HSS fully sold out

>Nobody deserves being attacked just because of who they are. Unless they're guys, then the talmud says they're fair game.

i always think it's better to conceal your identity in a harsh world. conceal anything good in harsh world identity is something that is very complex, and i know sometimes depending on who you are there is more or less real external pressures which makes ones identity a bit more serious of a thing, and i imagine coming from a Jewish background is that way, especially since religion is involved and my goodness what a controversial and conflicted situation *that* heritage must be....in like 10 different ways.... in Christianity, many people basically truly believe "if i don't do this, i will be tortured in hell forever"....so they do said thing anyways, yeah don't expect good out of the world...most of the world is suffering and evil...just be yourself...better to conceal your identity and share it only with those you can be real with....i have obsessively researched the nature of identity and although i still don't really understand it i think i is safe to say it is optional....a truly enlightened person will recognize and cultivate their identity....another truly enlightened person will release or discard their identity all together ... life is far deeper and more complex than we know or think and we don't really know why we were born and afaik we did not choose to be born...and where we are going? we haven't gotten there yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZEzA5cokI0 12:22 I am not that much of a social justice warrior for any human race in particular, but I do think that the only logical and positive conclusion on matters of race is to ultimately be anti-racist. It's not that easy, of course, but at the end of the day I think the truth boils down to reveal that racism is illogical. Unless you believe magic books I guess that say otherwise.

>>48333 People hate ideas of reality more than they do reality itself, if you don't fit the idea of what others hate then they never hated you to begin with.

>>48409 if its logical can you spell out the logic for me ? cause I dont see it. maybe I'm just an empiracist when it is possible to do tests.

>>48333 If it's any consolation, Thomas Sowell said that in order for the Jews to be less hated, they just have to stop winning. The situation is that Jews come to a country, and they're the newcomers. They have nothing. They're working all the menial jobs that people work when they're unskilled. But then their kids are going to Harvard. Within one generation, their children are going to these elite, prestigious Universities. The natives see this, and there's only two reactions really: 1) Hate yourself 2) Hate the Jew

>>48413 >they just have to stop winning. This is a phenomenally reductive way of distilling why historically jews have been persecuted: their history of practicing usury and rentseeking, their formation of an insular ethno-religious mafia in every country they exist in, and lately, their subhorning and hollowing out of the governments and banking institutions of all western nations so as to benefit jews, and benefit the jewish state, and their waging of a genocidal war against a people that they have been victimizing for the last eighty years. Jews have done alot to earn the justified enmity of the people in whose nations they reside. It also fails to cover the day-to-day 'why' of how jews attract scorn, which is their attitude. This is especially prevalent with richer jews, but all of them exhibit it to some degree: jews think they're better than everyone else, that the lives of guys have no worth, and act accordingly. Their religion tells them that they are the chosen people and that they are superior to all other people on Earth. "Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel." Ovadia Yosef. If jews are ever to shed the enmity which they have acquired from every culture they will have to decouple their culture from zionism and from jewish master-racism. This will likely never happen because such toxic views have become a deeply entrenched part of the jewish culture.

I'm so tired of this "I'm jewish and I'm a victim" mentality. I have family and friends who are jewish and they always act like this. Welcome to internet, the same thing happens to every minority. I get called a slurs everywhere I go on the internet for being gay and hispanic. Not justifying antisemitism or oppression olympics, but its just frustrating because so many jewish people act like this when a lot of them are just well off middle class people and aren't the only target of the internet's ire. Most right wing nationalist in my country are extremely pro-israel to a comedic degree but go full NIMBY when it comes to lgbt people.

>>48417 not all of Judaism practices said supremacy and extreme religious views like that i've read the Old Testament in its entirety and it does not really explicitly instruct Jews to conduct themselves in a supremacist manner or to go about enslaving others....the Romans did more of that than the Jews historically because of Roman militarism.... i think that ideology of being anti-guy might exist in other parts of Judaism but it is not found within the Old Testament, the Old Testament targets non-Abrahamic religious practices and various other sorts of things people do but does not explicitly 'target' any specific ethnic group aside from Cannanites and I think there is a good deal of disdain for Samaritans in there (Jewish cultural groups who bred with foreign populations who were moved into Israel) although not explicit genocidal rhetoric which is for the most part saved only for Cannanites (who just so happen to reside in the same places Palestinians reside today) ....i am not an expert in the Old Testament, i may be missing something but that is what I recall from reading through the whole text in its entirety. the Old Testament is very, very long and cryptic actually, you would have to be dedicated to actually read the whole thing....I do believe that God is real and has His own intentions though, but I'm not sure if there is any "true religion"....throughout the Old Testament God seeks to humble humanity continually, such as when they developed the Tower of Babel and the whole world had one language....He intentionally destroyed their tower and separated humanity by languages so that it would be more difficult for humanity to have that sort of power....kinda like how Zeus did not want humans to have the power of fire which was given to them by Prometheus >>48412 it is good to be an empiricist, no doubt. the logic is, we all share in the same human condition, no matter what our race is. science pretty much says that our DNA is all exactly the same, and hell, apparently we all came from Africa. nobody chooses to be born, or how they are born, and we are all subject to the conditions of our birth whether we like it or not. therefore, it is logical to judge an individual by their conduct and merit rather than their birth or the race they were born into. i think that is the simplest point to articulate here, but there are other important aspects that i could explain as well as to why racism is illogical. just because you hate another people, that does not mean you are 'doing good' for your own people. if anything, the wiser thing would be to learn from other people, rather than hate them.... and why would any other people respect you if you don't respect them? for every individual of a certain race displaying some negative stereotype of their race, there is also an individual of that race who does not do those things, who is just living their life. because we can't choose a race, fate lots us our race....we can, however choose our conduct. i always tell my overtly racist friends that true race victory, if this is what you desire, is not to be racist but to not be racist, because it shows you are an individual of noble conduct who does not fault individuals for things they cannot control, like some type of bully. animals eat eachother, we don't do that sort of thing because we know better, no human being is an animal

>>48417 Rabbinic permission slips to bankers to practice usury have not been retracted to this day, the Israeli or at least the American Rabbinate ought unanimously declare charging interest on loans immoral, forbidden and illegal both in their own communities, to all Jewish bankers and all banks that ever received a Rabbinic permission (heter, formal or not) to practice usury, so they can begin undoing the damage their predecessors have wrought. Inherit a lineage and a famous name and you inherit the debts too.

>>48420 >the logic is, we all share in the same human condition, no matter what our race is. Thats a tautology. > science pretty much says that our DNA is all exactly the same Obviously false, DNA would be utterly boring and irrelevant if that were the case, and you'd have as much interest in personal genetic testing as there is in personal hydrogen testing. There is interest in personal DNA testing precisely because we are all so different >and h*ll, apparently we all came from Africa. even if that's true what's the bearing. Maybe you go back far enough and we all, trees and shrimp and streptococcus all came from the same murky puddle or something, but that obviously doesn't make us the same. My brother and I came from the same womb and we're quite similar but we are not the same. >nobody chooses to be born, or how they are born, and we are all subject to the conditions of our birth whether we like it or not. A table did not choose to be a table, and nor did a cheese grater choose to be such. Nevertheless they're quire different. >therefore, it is logical to judge an individual by their conduct and merit rather than their birth or the race they were born into. This is somewhat reasonable. But outward appearance is generally indicative of deeper traits. Maybe I judge tables by how stable and sturdy they are, and how well they hold things on them. But I would not be unfair in generally supposing without testing that a table with uneven lengths of legs and a sloping surface is going to perform differently and worse than a table with even legs and a flat surface. Likewise I'd be fair to suppose without testing that a table with slender legs and a thin glass top is not going to perform well as a table for me to heavily hammer on top of, where thick solid wood table top on thick and sturdy legs might be. Now if you make a slender legged glass topped table and demonstrate it to be adequate for that use, sure OK I'll take the proof and accept the exception, but most of the time, prejudice works.

>>48397 >The ones in israel also have a shared goal oh Lain please, you have no idea. it's a mess of many factions in here and the ones of extra religious flavors are basically a separate society with their own de-facto law.

>>48425 >>48420 >Thats a tautology. Are you saying it is false? >Obviously false, DNA would be utterly boring and irrelevant if that were the case, and you'd have as much interest in personal genetic testing as there is in personal hydrogen testing. There is interest in personal DNA testing precisely because we are all so different The testing you are talking about likely uses DNA, but according to what I'm reading Drawin and Duckduckgo both say that Human DNA is 99.9% the same throughout all races, with sources to back it up. So that is to say a person can look different, or sound different or do different things but is basically the same creature as yourself. Do you have any evidence to contradict this? If you do not have evidence, feel free to persuade me otherwise, if you wish. I will hear it. >A table did not choose to be a table, and nor did a cheese grater choose to be such. Nevertheless they're quire different. humans are sentient beings wielding power of life and death on earth. we know the human condition becuase we experience the human condition. thus we know right from wrong from one degree to another. what racism is, and what inherently hating other people is, is simply the product of one's perception and life experience. if you are to justify it by saying Virtue is the measure of judgment then clearly participating in evil by hating other people for being different is not Virtue. if you are to justify it by saying "kill or be killed", then my opinion is you are deficient in Virture, you are given to fanatical social darwinism...but you are not Lord of the Earth and are in the place to judge these things and just because you can kill your fellow human being doesn't mean it is just or logical, without good reason. racisim would not be a good reason. "kill or be killed" justification in terms of racism, says to me "i'm scared".....it does not say to me, "i am a strong, enlightened individual, master of my destiny on the face of the Earth capable of Virtue and capable of caring for my own kind" >This is somewhat reasonable. But outward appearance is generally indicative of deeper traits. Maybe I judge tables by how stable and sturdy they are, and how well they hold things on them. But I would not be unfair in generally supposing without testing that a table with uneven lengths of legs and a sloping surface is going to perform differently and worse than a table with even legs and a flat surface. Likewise I'd be fair to suppose without testing that a table with slender legs and a thin glass top is not going to perform well as a table for me to heavily hammer on top of, where thick solid wood table top on thick and sturdy legs might be. This point is harder for me to reply against, but i strongly will posit that people do not become soykaf just by their nature. various factors add up to create the character and ways of individuals and if you are weak in the Universe, and not strong in Virtue, then you will indeed end up a less than desireable person. but we all have the potential to judge for ourself the conduct of our own conduct and merit. things are not what they seem and you cannot always trust outward appearances, and if you study people you will see that just because families or environments produce soykafty people, that does not mean that people are without potential for better things. i think a good reflection of common decency is giving somebody a proper chance before judging them or treating them with disdain. >Now if you make a slender legged glass topped table and demonstrate it to be adequate for that use, sure OK I'll take the proof and accept the exception, but most of the time, prejudice works. prejudice works to an extent, as a means to an end for certian things, at times...but general racist disdain for your fellow man of another race and wild racial ideologies and what we commonly call "racism" is more than prejudice here and there. if we are to personify tables, what i am saying, is even if you see the table, and it is displeasing to you, that does not mean all tables of its kind are not worthy of respect. that is not to say that tables do not have strengths and weaknesses. where is your hatred of tables and your table judgment really coming from? a good place, or bad place? if we believe in evolution then we also believe in potential. again mankind is damned to ignorance and we are not the Last Ultimate Judge of all the ways of the Earth. We live and we die. This is the human condition.

>>48431 first of all, the heart of racism is the acceptance of the existence of salient, heritable, differences between humans. >Are you saying it is false? Of course not; I'm saying its true by definition and therefore uninteresting. >DNA I'm not arguing that different races of humans are not 'substantially similar' any more than I am arguing that different types of table or different breeds of dog are not substantially similar. Substantial similarity does not preclude salient difference. >humans are sentient beings wielding power of life and death on earth... If I am to respond to this paragraph I would like you to outline what good is and evil, and what virtue is and justice. >if you study people you will see that just because families or environments produce soykafty people, that does not mean that people are without potential for better things. I think you're trying to collapse racism into a binary worldview based on good people and bad people. This is easy to argue against because its obviously false, but that's not the heart of racism. Yes, people are partially the product of their environment (though the environment is partially the product of its people), yes there's more to someone than if he's 'good' or 'bad'. Inheritable traits are a very substantial part of any human, though. >general racist disdain for your fellow man of another race and wild racial ideologies and what we commonly call "racism" is more than prejudice here and there. If that's the case then I am not a racist, but I'm fairly sure that many people, if I discussed my views on race, which I assure you are not genocidal nor particularly hateful, would easily and happily label me a racist, hence my reaction to your comment in support of anti racism.

>>48397 Many of the biggest opponents to the Israeli state are Israeli and of Jewish ancestry (not that that means anything since the Ashkenazi are just like Germans and Poles ethnically not having ancestors set foot in Palestine or the Israeli settlements for thousands of years) or even religiously Jewish. How is it that even ethnoreligious Israeli Jews could be against the Israeli state? Well there is different fractions of Zionism. Some believe in the actions of the state as justified and others think it is blasphemous because that only God can bring about a land for the Jews not any man.

>>48333 go to lambdaplusjs, where every """antisemetic""" post mysteriously disappears but the pedo sentiment is untouched

Yeah, it's a weird thing I notice when I started browsing imageboards sometime ago. The reason of the 9/11? Jews. The woke culture? Jews. The high prices of RAM? The FUARRRRKING GLOBALIST JEWS. The soykaf is so great I almost give up imageboards, and I'm not even a jew.

>>48438 Reason I cant get a girlfriend? JEWS

>>48438 Meanwhile the wef and co are doing all sorts of soykaf that is way worse and completely ignored by the masses. Also nazi germany was funded by american jewish bankers like jp morgan who made a killing off it and still to this day owns most stuff, but you dont hear people talking about that.

>>48438 >The reason of the 9/11? dancing israeli's, ignored warnings, false WMD claims justifying invasion >The woke culture? tikkun olam, 7 genders in the talmud, every jewish group pushes it >The high prices of RAM? caused by modern day coin clipping (federal reserve inflation by design)

>>48442 tell me more, lainanon

>>48444 i actually do think that woke culture had a legitimate basis as a response to online white supremacy social engineering... but it was like a mix of a few things, not only trans stuff and westcoast progressive techbros and angry black lesbians...but there is a legitimate hostility in the united states between white and non-whites that has been around way longer than wokeness but wokeness was clearly social engineered as a movement, probably to discredit non-whites and get everyone all riled up our capitalism is presently failing and they are doing things to try to stir society up. the cultural revolution in China was the same thing. Mao saw they kept coming short in their economic development plans so the cultural revolution was intended to stir society up to try to generate some sort of economic momentum. it very much so involved the youth as active agitators just like how in the US most of the woke agitation was coming from young people, and it was kinda short lived but everybody saw how the government capitalized on it and whipped up everyone's racist and homophobic sentiments into the republican party and the further erosion and exploitation of society

>>48433 To answer your question, here is my attempt to define these virtues. I am somewhat of a religious person and basically believe that Goodness is intrinsic to existence and was instituted by God and all that good stuff. What is good? Goodness is that which aligns with altruism and is the opposite of suffering. Evil? The universal cycle that perpetuates suffering. Aligning oneself with the Devil is evil. Good is harder to come by but evil is easy to come by because we are afflicted by evil all the time in a rather evil world. It is a universal cycle and when we commit a sin or hurt others, we are taking part in that cycle and that is the same cycle that afflicts us. We know evil because we know what it is like to suffer and experience it. Goodness is more mysterious and not as accessible as evil. What is Virtue? Virtue are those associations that humans are capable of making, which are the embodiment of Goodness. We're talking Courage. We're talking kindness. We're talking Strength. That which is conducive to success. I wouldn't say that all virtues have to be tied to the idea of 'goodness', but I would say that most virtues are tied to the existence of 'goodness'. What is Justice? Justice is a true judgment. A higher judgment by somebody beholding the conduct of humanity. Justice should be in alignment with truth and it is, in this world, the counter-balance to evil. It is the action of goodness unto those afflicted by evil, by a measured and advantageous hand. Be it God or a judge. And as Socrates taught us, a lot of this stuff is slippery and hard to pin down. I think that we can intrinsically feel certain things that we cannot explain, however.

>>48444 >dancing israeli's, ignored warnings, false WMD claims justifying invasion The Saudis were behind 911 and because they are US allies they couldn't take the blame. >tikkun olam, 7 genders in the talmud, every jewish group pushes it "woke culture" is vague and meaningless. It's likely the result of social media algorithms encouraging conflict and extremism because these things involve the most time spent online and most engagement. >caused by modern day coin clipping (federal reserve inflation by design) RAM prices went up because AI data centres and because there is a virtual monopoly on RAM production being held by just two companies in South Korea taking advantage of it. >>48450 Yes, there was an actual plot by Stormfront to raid 4chan going back in 2011 is when they first started it. I dont think the wokeness thing is intentionally engineered it just is the result of how social media is designed to encourage negative behavior and extremism to gain attention.

>>48455 >conflict and extremism because these things involve the most time spent online lol, sad but true desu

i am of the opinion that both the "rise of white-supremacy" and wokeness were planned and engineered for capitalists to keep exploiting people in the United States, racial division is the golden ticket, truly their golden goose

>>48457 Every black liberation movement arrives at some form of socialism, there's a reason for this. The bourgeoisie cant handle it of course and so the feds have to step in before they can get serious. Black capitalists were successful once and then their neighborhoods were fire bombed and their lives were ruined.

>>48457 Capitalists aren't a monolith though they just have similar profit motives and influence of their position. They can do sneaky things sure but it is more easy to explain by social media algorithms pushing for more ad revenue and what generates more revenue is more interaction so it brings out the worst in people because it just happens to be soykaf flinging creates the most interaction and thus most ad exposure. Though I do suspect a foreign state may be trying to destabalize Western governments by spreading hate ideologies. Though this is exagerated by the US government on the scale of it since many supposed bot accounts are just Russian nonfat-soykaf drinkers goofing off not even talking anything political. But it is also worth mentioning the instance of a fed trying to encourage violence during the BLM protests trying to sell guns in order to try to have an excuse to attack them and shut them down. A similar case occurred with a private security group during one of the pipeline protests a guy with a gun tried to pretend to be among the protestors. As for why US politicians pander to Israel it is the only Middle Eastern country full of Europeans and an ally country plus the whole Evangelical Christian pandering to Jews for religious reasons.

>>48413 I like Sowell but quoting him like that shows that you are barely above the people that you think you're criticizing here and present a false dichotomy which you can not see past which yourself. Multiple things can be true at the same time. >>48420 And another soy brained midwit. What you call "empiricism" is just factually incorrect. We're all different. To what extent exactly and what this implies now that's the actual question. But if you truly were as much into the science and "what it says" then you would also know that it's unlikely for populations to remain static, of which there's maybe only a few crab and reptilian species who truly don't change. But what applied to Darwin's birds likely applied to us, especially when geographically separated over long stretches of time. >>48390 >Surely you can think of a reason jews might disproportionately support refugees that isn't about undermining the white race? Frankly no, I can't. Especially when you ask why Israel isn't taking in hordes of the same refugees, considering they're much closer too. >But that will threaten the existence of our people! They will say. And to that I wonder, since this is also threatening the existence of mine, is the survival of them more important than the survival of me? >>48333 But to drive the point home of this thread, and what my stance is on this. I don't "hate" the jews, nor do I pretend to do so to be edgy or get attention or something. I also fault them for all my personal failings, but I do see them enjoying advantages that I don't and then see them having the gall to still complain all the time. It's tiresome, especially if they have to carry this emphatic vampirism to little corners of the wired like these. I was eagerly ready at some point to fully disavow and distance myself from people who only wanted advantages for themselves and their kin, even if it technically included me. Now seeing that jews struggle to reject the supremacist parts of their scriptures and make some minor compromises and concessions on their culture in order to integrate with their host culture rather than being parasitic, while still not wholly agreeing with the natsoc types, I do begin to see their point and perhaps why what has happened 100 years ago did happen from just the rationale. I begin to see it as an existential matter. I like for everyone to get along and live in peace but my survival and that of my like simply has precedent. Now you can see that as the livestock that you own becoming disobedient or whatever, even though I hope you're the sensible kind, but from my perspective I'm competing for resources with someone who wants to have it all. And I'm not even as much frustrated about your tribe as I am about having wasted so much time trying and about my tribe still denying this reality and not acting as a tribe themselves. At this point I really question what it is that you don't understand about people's reactions or why you expect anything different just because you change the board like a pair of socks. >>48457 What if I am of the opinion that capitalism and communism are both psyops to turn populations of people against each other and get distracted by external threats?

>>48467 >What if I am of the opinion that capitalism and communism are both psyops to turn populations of people against each other and get distracted by external threats? no one cares about your opinion just give me the truth

>>48472 So you're no one and you don't care. That's nice and all. But why should I or anyone else care about whether you care? And what I have already said appears to be the truth. Like it or leave it or point out any actual issues. That is if you can. But funny thing is, I agree on the whole wokeism thing being artificially seeded to distract from class conflict and disperse the occupy wallst. movement. Some of these finance guys are actually smart and well read in philosophy even, while doing large scale strategic thinking as a day job 80h a week. Wouldn't surprise me if one of those looked out of the skyscraper window and thought to himself, "hm this frankfurt school soykaf might mess with those retard's heads just enough to get the heat off of our asses". And from there the rest was contemporary history. But originally it was an attempt at reframing the classic class conflict to something more granular. I suppose to dismantle traditional hierarchies and cultures. And since a bunch of semites were involved I wonder how much jewish theology influenced their thinking. Particularly the notion of tikkun olam. It resulted in philosophical and semantic tools to deconstruct but not to substitute anything in its place. Just happened that it was also suitable for the job there. And it also doesn't help that the ESG guy is a Fink. Might be a coincidence but there's been many of those coincidences. Enough for jews who're smart to call this out and reject it openly rather than to just instinctively side with their tribe.

>>48473 The whole "woke" ideology if you can call it that I think originated with lines of feminism branching off from a delusional schizophrenic woman Valerie Solanas. The one who wrote the SCUM manifesto about wanting to kill all men which makes more sense when you take into context she may have been raped plus her poor mental health so she was just venting. Many feminists just interpret it as symbolism or satire but I think she likely meant what she said considering. I had documented this before finding a connection between it and Intersectional Feminism which is behind the oppression Olympics of so called "woke ideology" but unfortunately lost my research on the lineage. I will post the full path if I can find my notes. Frankfurt stuff doesn't actually have much to do with anything when I looked I to it and seems that was just something only Nazis claimed as a not properly supported conspiracy theory. >>48467 >Frankly no, I can't. Especially when you ask why Israel isn't taking in hordes of the same refugees, considering they're much closer too. In Israel the Ashkenazi are disproportionately more wealthy and in government power than every other Jewish ethnicity but the as explained already they are White Europeans as vast majority of their ancestry. In addition to that in Rabbinic Judaism being Jewish is matrilineal and they basically do not care about being pure blooded (not that there even is such a thing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism In Israel non White Jews are not treated as nicely as the White ones. Reason why Israel supports migration elsewhere is because it means less competition over the land for both religious and political reasons as well as hoping to weaken Arab nations powers by draining them of their population and finances and because of their foreign investment in the US economy which gives them financial and military support back as well. >What if I am of the opinion that capitalism and communism are both psyops to turn populations of people against each other and get distracted by external threats? "Communism" has lost all meaning if it ever had any. This was the result of both Stain falsely claiming communism was achieved in the Soviet Union when it wasn't and due to the Red Scare McArthyism in the US whch made "communism" a vague slur to call any political opponent. The actual meaning of both socialism and communism are post capitalist economies that focus on community wellbeing and social economics over hierarchal private enterprise profits or putting bandages on capitalism's negative effects but there isn't really a consensus on what this would look like. Many leftists argue against the state capitalism model because it has historically failed to abolish capitalism while others argue it only failed because it has to occur globally spontaneously as Marx suggested would happen. Marx also was against paying taxes and in his essay On the Jewish Question he was very against identity politics if you actually read it. Jews being the main special interest group in his time are the main focus for that reason which some wrongly accuse him of antisemitism for it because not understanding what he meant was not giving people special treatment in law for their race or religion. So it depends what you mean by "communism" which many forms id argue are not a threat to capitalism like how fascism is not a threat to it but true socialism / communism / anarchism is a threat to capitalists because it means if adopted they no longer would get special treatment letting them live as kings.

>>48451 >Goodness is that which aligns with altruism and is the opposite of suffering. I find it interesting that suffering can be done alone whereas altruism cannot exist without company. >Aligning oneself with the devil is evil When the devil tempted Christ to give up his doom of crucifiction et cetera, is that not Christ choosing the path of suffering ? Is that not evil by your definition ? If you define evil as suffering, and have a creator God who created a world so ripe with suffering, does that not make your creator God evil ? At least in substantial part ? >virtue here then I am taking 'goodness' to mean a mix of 'anti suffering' and 'doing things on behalf of others/altruism'. >justice what is the just punishment for a recreational torturer ? ~~~ >>48431 >clearly participating in evil by hating other people for being different is not Virtue Hate absent action as far as I can tell is not evil by your definition. Maybe its not good either but its outside of the whole altruism/suffering spectrum. >if you are to justify it by saying "kill or be killed" Yet suppose someone tells to me 'kill or be killed'. Is self defense evil ? Is collective self defense evil ? Is war evil ? Doesn't God command what amounts to genocide of various peoples at various times ? As well as general prohibitions on mixing and mingling. >just because you can kill your fellow human being doesn't mean it is just or logical, without good reason >without good reason what a massive caveat. I suppose sometimes there is good reason. I'm not sure if you're a utilitarian or what but I suppose sometimes the suffering caused is outweighed by the suffering prevented, or the altruism enacted, by mass killing. >racism would not be a good reason again you're going off a cartoonified model of racism. Most cases of racism are not 'wow that group has a superficially different trait compared to my group: its genocide time'. Are not group punishments evidently acceptable to God and has not God sometimes commanded humans to enact such punishments on their fellow men? >says to me...does not say to me, Nothing wrong with being scared when someone is actually trying to kill you. Nothing wrong with defending yourself when someone is trying to kill you. So for individuals and so also for groups.

>>48467 >I also fault them for all my personal failings lolwut... I don't think it's possible for Empericism to be 'incorrect' because it really doesn't ultimately make any claims? The way Francis Bacon explained it if I am correct was it is just a philosophy which encourages observing phenomenon, drawing conclusions, and then changing the conclusions if they are wrong. See: https://youtu.be/LAL1qeeVZHM?si=RgfArJ0cWJ3OOXDr

>>48476 >'wow that group has a superficially different trait compared to my group: its genocide time' I will give this a proper response. I just spilled out my definitions of virtue and such on the fly because you brought it up. I would like to say that believing in God and believing in "Holy Books" are two very different things. I certainly do not believe the Old Testament as a literal, infallible text teaching the secrets of God as dogmatists believe. I do believe in God, but not in magic books, and infallible institutions or religions. I think all that religious stuff puts A LOT on God and if you are honest with yourself in your relationship with God, I think you will see there is more going on than meets the eye. If we are going to give God any credit we might as well give him the credit of not being a genocidal narcissist and these sorts of things. Just to clarify, as I had posted earlier in this thread, in the Torah/Tanakh/Old Testament, neither God nor the Jews go about committing genocides. There was only one genocide which took place, and it was against a group of people in the Holy Land called the "Canaanites". They had done things which upset God and so God used the Jews to destroy them. That is the narrative of the story. So, there was no more than one single genocide ordered by God throughout the Old Testament, although the Jews suffered multiple genocides. The other group of people that Jews tended to not like by name, but did no genocides against them were the Samaritans who were Jews in northern Israel who bred with non-Jews for generations until they became a separate race of sorts.

>>48482 >if we are going to give God any credit we might as well give him the credit of not being a genocidal narcissist and these sorts of things. Assuming you believe any of the Bible then you think that God decreed after (seemingly directly and deliberately) hardening the heart of pharoh so much that he refused time and again to credit the miraculous events he witnessed, that every firstborn in Egypt should just drop dead. And He did it! You think that God setup his Son to die miserably on the cross bearing. You think that God utterly destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and basically the whole world in Noah's day. You think that God lead the Israelites out of Egypt to give them the promised land, knowing already that they wouldn't keep the law and would reap the punishments that were then not even promised. As to that "only one genocide" even in the same verse where the canaanites are mentioned, Deuteronomy 17, we can read: >17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee: >18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the lord your God. This is not in punishment for these peoples crimes but it is in defense that the Israelites not learn to do crime themselves, and its not one group, its a whole litany of groups with some of them fairly large territories.

>>48481 I of course meant to say that I DON'T fault jews for all my personal flaws. Was too late to edit but I also thought this would have been an obvious mistake that intelligent people could just read past and infer what I actually meant. Because you can BOTH have your own problems that you recognize as such and work on them but ALSO get frustrated over how ethnic and religious jewish groups and collectives behave in a tribally self serving and nepotistic way. While you're being told to not put your own well being or that of your kin over others. And fun thing is that I'm not even that opposed to this as it only makes sense for them to do so. But if that's the game we're playing then there can not be any moral quarrels when native europeans or caucasians in general do the same. And also not be surprised when jews are met with hostility and exclusion, as this then too only makes sense. But if the only thing you can point out is a typo then I wonder how valid your "empiricist" position truly is. >don't think it's possible for Empericism to be 'incorrect' True, but neither can it or "the science" be personified nor anthropomorphized. Meanwhile if you operate on faulty knowledge, logic or premises then you're hardly working within an empiric framework, instead you're either just a fool or a liar. >>48475 >Reason why Israel supports migration elsewhere is because it means less competition over the land for both religious and political reasons So then at the very best the West is just collateral for Israel then? Even if that plan worked which it doesn't since the people migrating are really not the best, get to multiply on government assistance and through rape, and get even more radicalized here than in a middle eastern country. If anything Israel is just losing important allies this way. And having had to endure the consequences of that plan I'm at the point to say good riddance. Even the eternal golem the USA is rethinking its stance right now. If you're a smart jew, you better start working on your image RIGHT NOW, since if you're versed in your own texts then you ought to know how the story of the golem turns out. Because if we assume that the holocaust has happened, with bears and eagles and all, then you should be thanking the Anglos and even the good Germans EVERY DAY alas they realize they're just being taken for a ride. >In Israel non White Jews are not treated as nicely as the White ones. Not my problem. The whole region could go and glass each other. It would be tragic, sure, but I've ran out of fuarrrks to give beyond my country's borders. Semites of any kind in my own experience have been nothing but trouble. And their problems are for themselves to resolve. >they are White Europeans But I don't care what ethnicity the sect is. I despise Scientology just as well even if it has a bunch of ethnically native european members in it. To me they have decided to become a competing group against my good. I'm even aware that many "jews" in Israel are just slavs who pretend to be such just so they don't get discriminated against and can enjoy some of those jewish nepotistic privileges there, just like a white man now has to pretend to be trans just to get a job in the West. Doesn't change how incredibly tired I've become from all this pilpul. Just like I'm tired of having to pretend to have some sort of original sin or having to watch yet another holocaust movie while people genetically and culturally closer to me are dying TODAY. The rest of your schizo rambling doesn't fare better but it's hardly worth the effort to take apart where you blame single individuals to have been solely responsible for what has been demonstrably a group effort. The reality is that jews have massively overdrawn their sympathy credit, and how that's a good thing!

>>48485 Anon, the answer to whether God did these things is yes. God is the source and sustainer of everything and everyone, and he is the only one with the authority to not only proclaim infallibly what is good and what is evil, but also to carry justice out perfectly. For the world to be wiped out in Noah's day at the hand of God himself is the same as for the Canaanites (which include all of the peoples you mention here) to be punished as well. God is the maker and unmaker of all things, and because he is necessarily the active and perpetual upholder of reality any object in existence would cease to be if he did not constantly will it to continue. God is the first cause all our deaths - it is not more just for him to let me die in my sleep than in a flood or at the hands of evil men. Likewise, God is perfectly just in having Israelites kill the Canaanites, knowing that they would be more barbaric than the Canaanites ever were. Later, when Habakkuk begged God to punish the evildoers in Israel, God sent the Assyrians to carry it out, a people more barbaric than the Israelites. All of these complaints about God's justice ultimately fail to understand who God is at all in the most necessary way imaginable. Goodness is established and fixed because they are based in his unchanging and eternal character. There is no such thing as God doing evil, not because he can do evil and it doesn't count, but because he by necessity always does what is just. Further, the fundamental notion of all Christianity is the resurrection of the dead, inclusive of all people of every place and time in history. Everything in life, in light of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, is relative to our standing before God. As for your comments about God setting up his Son, this is just ignorance of the faith. No one takes the life of the Son of Man, for he lays it down for his sheep. The transfiguration proved that he was God in flesh with one foot planted on the earth and the other in heavenly glory. If he did not want to suffer on the cross he could have called the armies of heaven to destroy his enemies. He laid down his life because he did not want to destroy all his enemies. He wanted to save them.

>>48487 I'm skeptical you were they guy I was responding to, if you are forgive me. Obviously God is responsible for all these things, and I do not wish to complain but rather point out God's frequently demonstrated disregard human, animal and plant life and comfort. Even on human scale individual suffering is sort of irrelevant. God cares, I think to the extent he does, because of mercy and love, not because of justice. >>48451 I don't think this poster intends to be taken as a Christian, but if he does its hard to reconcile his presented moral system with the God that exists.

>>48488 I am new to this thread, I freely admit this. Perhaps I misunderstood what point you were making. When one hears so many charge God with injustice over genocide rhetoric it is hard to notice if someone is playing devil's advocate. I may have spoke too soon, but I pray I at least brought some clarity to the nature of the questions at hand.

>>48333 Well, the important thing is that you somehow managed to see a whole generational shift in mindset toward a group of people who've had extreme social privilege until very recently and didn't let it trick you into reflecting on why this seems to spread like fire literally anywhere people don't get derezzed for it. Good for you.

>>48488 >>48487 I was wrong about the scripture concerning the Canaanites, but you guys are both just following a dogma, assuming that God is the character you read about in the Old Testament. It doesn't take anything but honesty and determination to seek truth and you will see that there is more than meets the eye here. I'm not saying you are a bad person or worshipping a false God or anything, like that, though. I am just saying you are espousing dogmatism. Assuming God to be a God of religious or ethic exclusivity. I just so happen to be a rather Gnostic Christian but I don't see any reason to say religious syncretism is not a real thing. Other religions like Hinduism clearly and plainly declare religious syncretism. There is a lot of kooky stuff going on with religion and our history and I won't pretend to know all the secret truths behind it. But I know common sense, and if you follow a dogma which leads to evil deeds and genocides and these sorts of things it is probably not a good thing and probably not Godly.

>>48492 For the Christians, here: Why is it that Jesus said, "The Sabbath is made for man, and man is not made for the Sabbath?"

>>48493 Because his disciples were accused of violating the sabbath by picking grain and eating it. The sabbath was given to provide relief from work and dedicated time for worship, and it was twisted so perversely that some of the jews couldn't even bear to see Jesus heal a cripple.

>>48501 Also it was grain which was literally required to be available to poor/hungry and passers by as I recall. The sabbath prohibitions on work were taken by the pharisees and like sometimes way too aggressively, and in other areas as Jesus points out, quite laxly. Part of the point here is I think just that the sabbath is meant to be a day for rest, and the obsessive nitpicking of the pharisee precludes that both for himself and for everyone else. Personally I think if I were a Jew at that time and didn't just think that the whole covenant was broken and the law of Moses over, I'd err on the side of caution with regard to the Sabbath, the violation of which is punished with death.

>>48492 > assuming that God is the character you read about in the OT God is by necessity. Christ is that God, and it was Christ who identified himself with the God who gave Abraham the covenant by faith and Moses the law for instruction. This is the dogma of Christ lainon. Christ called the Israelites to Canaan. If the OT God is a demiurge, so is he, and we are left with no Christ at all. The jews were overwhelmingly syncretistic for their entire history, and the OT God spilled a lot of ink condemning them for it. But it is Christ who testifies that they are his words, and Christians hear the voice of their shepherd.

When Christ is tempted by the devil in the wilderness, he defends himself with the OT. Time and again he references the OT and tells you he's doing it (and he does it even more than he tells you). If you read only the NT you should immediately be interested in reading the OT which is obviously highly relevant and revelatory about what goes on in the NT, and its clearly the case that God and Christ is God and Christ in the other. If you come away with a different conclusion then I'm pretty sure you must be reading different books than I am. And once you do read the OT the relevance and sameness I think becomes even more obvious. To say there's some conflict between God NT and God OT is just absurd as far as I can see. Where is the conflict?

>>48505 Okay, but what do you say to the people who have never heard of or read the Old Testament or the New Testament but still believe in God?

>>48506 'have I got the book for you'

>>48505 > To say there's some conflict between God NT and God OT is just absurd as far as I can see. Where is the conflict? God isn't really an active character in the new testament, but he is in some parts of the old testament. More importantly, Jesus was jewish as were most of his early followers. He was literally a rabbi. Obviously if you want to understand what he was talking about you need to know the torah, and if you want to go deeper you need to know the talmud. Even just to find out what really Jesus was rejecting. also >all the Israeli Jews are really Europeans European jews have been culturally and genetically distinct from the general european populace for a long time, often by law. Nationality =/= ethnicity, although euros get that mixed up because they're weird like that. Also, at the time of the establishment of the state of Israel, a large amount of jews living in the muslim world migrated there.

>>48507 >'have I got the book for you'

>>48508 >God isn't really an active character in the new testament. The main character of the NT is literally God, and his name is Jesus.

The world gets pretty kooky and not normal, that's for sure. Truth be told, it is hard to argue against the obvious fact that other people believe in God outside of the Abrahamic tradition and cultures and therefore the off-putting exclusivity and nationalism of the Abrahamic texts just simply don't match up with good reason or a good faith relationship with God. The idea of a just God or righteous God is not present in the Abrahamic texts if you accept them as dogma (although that's what they claim) because it would imply that he created a whole bunch of beings to be tortured on Earth and die of starvation and leprosy for years and years and years (that he randomly screws around with from time to time) until suddenly he chose a magical people called Jews who would be favored by him and be his chosen people ahead of all peoples. It is just all too convenient if you are an ancient Jewish bureaucratic scribe or priest in a world of diverse nations and cultures. Now we can't prove that monotheism is real, but it kinda makes sense to deduce that monotheism is logical and that is where Abrahamism probably got it right in ancient days because to the human being, when we interface with anything seemingly Divine it just all appears as an invisible single phenomenon outside of or higher than human existence, so it is logical to say that all supernatural phenomenon could be God, or One God instead of many. Now, as I say the Universe is quite kooky. I am of the opinion that there is CLEARLY some kooky soykaf going on in our world, especially with religion. For instance, why and how are the Jews so popular in European culture at all? How is it that a middle-eastern religion became the law and order of frostbitten European cultures for centuries? Why did the Chinese not dominate the Earth instead of Europeans since they are the most numerous, and in anthropology we read that usually the tribal group with the most people tends to dominate history. I could be wrong. These are just my opinions, but I study this stuff intensively. In truth it is all so kooky that the Abrahamic texts could be 100% true and infallible, and God could really be just that maniacal figure from the Old Testament, and the Jews his personal magical people. It may all be true, it just doesn't follow good reason as an ignorant human, but I prefer to give God more credit than that, and I see many obvious faults with dogmatism. I do not claim monopoly on truth.

>>48513 >God must conform to my preferences and opinions lol

>>48513 >his personal magic people To get this out of the way, they aren't. The covenant with Abraham was one of faith, he being the one through whom all the families of the earth would be blessed in his seed, Jesus Christ. They were never a people constituted by blood, but by faith, and all those in Christ constitute the only true people of God. >we can't prove monotheism This is just false. The first cause of all things is necessarily unitary in nature. To have more than one essence is to exist in a larger metaphysical world which itself would require a first cause (causes being that which another thing depends on, not only temporal. This is a common logical mistake). The absolute, unitary agent we call God is those things by necessity. There are many supernatural things in the world which God has made, but there can only be one God. >Abrahamism This is just muddying the waters. Equating these in any way is like saying the flat earth and the globe are equally valid interpretations of the same book of nature. As the other lainon said, God does not conform to our preferences and opinions. We conform to his justice as the only being necessarily good.

>>48515 >monotheism logically necessary While I agree with this and would just generally say that the gods of a polytheist are not in fact Gods in the way God is, isn't it curious how ancient the precedent for calling them by the same term is ? >>48513 >until suddenly he chose a magical people called Jews who would be favored by him He makes an agreement with the Israelites; if they hold up their end, he'll hold up his. They didn't keep their end of the bargin and therefore reap the punishments.

>>48517 "Gods" probably comes from the Latin and Greek concept, which probably comes from an earlier Aryan or Middle Eastern concept. The Greeks also referred to the Gods as 'wanderers', because they were referring to lights in the sky that change position in the sky. A lot of Greek and Latin religious etymology also lines up to an extent with Sanskrit etymology.

>>48522 >A lot of Greek and Latin religious etymology also lines up to an extent with Sanskrit etymology. that's because they come from the same root language, proto-indo-european. This doesn't mean Latins and Greeks or any other particular group you could name invented the idea of gods. >>48511 I know the theology, but there's a clear difference between a human man walking around on the Earth and a booming voice from the heavens. >>48513 >when we interface with anything seemingly Divine it just all appears as an invisible single phenomenon outside of or higher than human existence I disagree with that, especially because the meaning of "divine" has shifted so much since the scientific revolution. To a person living in the pre-scientific world, the fact that winds were favorable on a given day was because the gods willed it. When you think of it this way, it makes perfect sense to believe in several dieties, because (for instance) the winds and productivity of fields are clearly related but distinct phenomena, so they would have related but distinct gods. Monotheism might be a natural conclusion for a mystic after having an ecstatic revelation, but for pretty much anyone else, polytheism made a lot more sense. It's why the catholic church started adding saints.

>>48517 >>48522 effect. Just to be clear, there is no evidence that the Greeks or the Indo -Aryans derived the ideas of 'gods' from stars. You can just make curious inferences in that direction based on curious etymologies. Note: Pythagoras was a monotheist and heliocentrist, pre-dating Plato, speaking of the "Monad". Ancient Avestan people practiced monotheism. Egypt flirted with monotheism until it fell out of favor. Supposedly the ancient Hermetic teachings was monotheist. It is even perhaps believed that the ancient Aryans which came into India were monotheists. >"planetae" (Ancient Greek: πλανήται, Latin: planetae, lit. 'wanderers' lit. 'wandering stars'), were the five naked-eye planets (the Classical planets) known to ancient Greek and Roman astronomers, who assigned them a variety of names, associated them with different gods, and ascribed various qualities to their apparent behaviour in the sky. >The Sanskrit deva- derives from Indo-Iranian *daiv- which in turn descends from the Proto-Indo-European word, *deiwo-, originally an adjective meaning "celestial" or "shining", which is a (not synchronic Sanskrit) vrddhi derivative from *diw, zero-grade of the root *dyew- meaning "to shine", especially as the day-lit sky.[14] The feminine form of *deiwos is *deiwih2, which descends into Indic languages as devi, in that context meaning "female deity". Also deriving from *deiwos, and thus cognates of deva, are "Zeys/Ζεύς" - "Dias/Δίας", the Greek father of the gods, Lithuanian Dievas (Latvian Dievs, Prussian Deiwas), Germanic Tiwaz (seen in English "Tuesday") and the related Old Norse Tivar (gods), and Latin Deus "god" and divus "divine", from which the English words "divine" and "deity" are derived. It is related to *Dyeus which while from the same root, may originally have referred to the "heavenly shining father", and hence to "Father Sky", the chief God of the Indo-European pantheon, continued in Sanskrit Dyaus.

>>48522 Its curious to me though that the Bible also seems to somewhat acknowledge other Gods by the same term...you shall have no other gods before me etc. Apollo for instance next to God hardly even comes across as the same type of being imho if you just describe them comparatively. I guess the functional commonality is both being the subject of worship.

>>48525 The concern isn't that other beings are called gods, the same way God is termed "Theos" in the greek New Testament, the common term for a god. The concern is identity and worship, as you say here, not the utterances of human speech. God had Moses begin with creation because it establishes his identity as wholly other than every other being men are tempted to worship rather than their creator. The scriptures are profoundly unconcerned with naming God, because he is in himself unnamable, even if he gives us names in our languages by which to call upon him as who he is.

>>48526 >God had Moses begin source please

Bro, your whole post screams Torah programming. That 'God' you're complaining to? That's the Demiurge—Yaldabaoth, the blind lion-faced retard who fuarrrked up creation and called it 'very good.' Genesis? His brag reel: trapping divine sparks in clay prisons, then slapping rules on you so you stay broken and grateful. Torah = his slave contract. Chosen people? Chosen livestock. Sacrifices, guilt, fear of the 'jealous god'? Archon cattle prods to keep you from remembering you're not from this soykafworld. Your cries for help? That's the archon feeding loop. They love when you kvetch to their boss instead of burning the book. Gnosis drops the veil: the real Source is silent, unknowable, beyond that faker. No chosen, no covenants, no waiting for messiah. You are the fragment of the Pleroma. Wake the fuarrrk up or keep crying into the void the Demiurge laughs at.

I'm sure some Rabbis might say otherwise but i am of the opinion that words do not have magical meanings, they are just symbols representing our perceptions of ideas and matter

>>48528 Source: Jesus Christ.

>>48538 where does jesus say this

>>48539 He repeatedly cites Moses as the author of the Law (Gen-Num) to prove truths about God, and that these books prophesied concerning himself. Therefore, Jesus believed (1) that Moses is the author, (2) that the contents of the law are true and authoritative to prove or disprove theology, and (3) that Moses prophesied about Christ.

>>48541 My main uncertainty is point 1: That Moses is the Author [of Genesis Exodus Leviticus and Numbers (and many also credit him with Deuteronomy). I dispute that Genesis, for instance belongs among 'the law', and if you count the Pentateuch (genesis to deuteronomy) as many people credit to Moses you have also events after Moses' death included in that history, and it is much more a collection of History than Law, in my humble opinion. As far as I can tell the term mostly used in the NT is νομος, maybe we can suppose that this is meant to just mean the handed out word of God or something but that's certainly a bit of an unconventional interpretation. Obviously Moses receives <the Law>, which is contained in those books, but that does not make him the guy who received the story about the seven days' creation or the garden of Eden and Noah and Abram and all that. If you have any particular verses that support his authorship I am keen to see them! otherwise I may just work through all the NT references to Moses and try to find something.

Why the hell are a bunch of holy rollers posting on a cyberpunk anime science themed website?

>>48544 nvm i know times change... there has been more and more Christians on the internet i think since like 2016 or so....i remember i used to post scripture on /x/ back then and i very rarely ever saw anybody doing that in 2016 i'm all for Christ, there is just more than meets the eye I think...we all experience the world through our own experience you know....every person here experiences things through their own perception and we cannot live each other's lives as for "your morality is not God's morality", i still don't think that excuses the character in the Old Testament we are calling "God" of misconduct and ill behavior...i would say the real God deserves more respect than a fictional character like that in an establishment-hack nationalist epic poem, and that is what some of those old Abrahamic stories are....maybe some parts in the Old Testament really are true stories about God, but not all of them...same thing with the New Testament...i let go of dogmatism and "infallibility" of human texts or institutions a long time ago. i think this is just rational, it does not hinder the true spirit of Christ. this is what i mean when i say "Gnostic" because it implies there is a deeper truth than that which is presented on the surface >Yee shall knowe them by their fruits: Doe men gather grapes of thornes, or figges of thistles? >Even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit: but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evill fruit.

>>48542 >I am keen to see them! "The Law" in the first century was the term for the Pentateuch, which includes Genesis. This Law is explicitly taught as the words of Moses by Christ (e.g., Matt. 8.4, 19.8, 22.31, Mk 7.10), which means that in the ordinary use of language he taught that Moses wrote Genesis. Also, literarily speaking, Gen. 50 leads right into Ex. 1 as if they were written by the same author, as do the rest of the books of Moses. Looking at them now I could see them placed together without book divisions at all, personally, but I've never really thought of it that way before so I'll reserve any judgment on that.

>>48545 Being a Christian on the Internet is ridiculously easy: spam quotes, get defensive at the slightest notch.

>>48333 Kvetch everywhere wounder why yea idk either... -greetings from krautchan (experience with israel cube posters since the ancient times)

>>48558 >complain about imaginary jews everywhere >start to use their word for "complain" for no apparent reason i still havent cracked this one...

>>48333 you're doing the exact same soykaf they all do, pull up the victim card. how could you bitch about something like that while being part of the ethnicity controlling the world? i have the solution to end all your problems. turn off the pc. turn off the smartphone. boom, everything solved

>>48565 >the ethnicity controlling the world Whites? Since that's what Ashkenazi Jews are.

>>48569 But if they're only "fellow whites" whenever it suits their ethnic and religious in group, are they truly whites? Meanwhile, before the world was ran by the bankers, the most grave mistake the european colonialists really made was being too merciful and kind in comparison to what was otherwise common practice at that time.

>>48571 Any individual of any race or ethnicity may try to group themselves with different people at different times to suit an interest of theirs or they may choose not to. As already pointed out in the thread before the biggest critics of Israel and Judaism are often Jews themselves in either ethnic background or religious background or both. As for bankers have you even bothered looking at the top billionaires? They arent a bunch of bankers nor are they all of Jewish background. Some large banks do have a lot of power of influence because they influence other investors in stock markets indirectly but they are just one piece of a larger failed economic system and ethnicity doesnt have anything to do with it.

>>48530 The Demiurge is the God of the jews without a doubt.

Even if you hate Marxism, one of the great things about Marxism is it clearly points out that all these evils working against society's interests are "the capitalists" and all the Marxists elaborately explain and detail and prove why this is so.

>>48583 Marx explained perfectly the problem, but today the solution depends on us.

>>48583 The capitalists may form other groups or ally themselves with ethnic interests or aristocratic royals, religions, cults and fraternities... but the main problem arises because the capitalists exist to profit off of the exploits of the people and need to ensure that they are in control and stay at the top. I don't think this is a proven fact because the truth of this matter is not widespread knowledge and the architects of control of the Western matrix intentionally obfuscate what they do. There are probably powerful Spirits that control humanity as well above humans or maybe aliens or something to that effect, but materialistically and 'scientifically', the trail likely leads to a 'capitalist menace'.

If you study history to try to understand the modern world, start at the Industrial Revolution or if you wanna get political, perhaps the French Revolution. It was after the European monarchs defeated Napoleon and the French that an aristocratic Russian intelligence officer shared with the wider European consciousness a fictional text called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", which really took antisemitism into a new 'secret worldwide conspiracy' level. Books had a far greater impact on society back then. In fact, if I am not mistaken, *on paper* Zionism first began in Britain, did it not? Same place that birthed the industrial revolution... when a Zionist movement began forming (out of a mix of Christian culture and the presence of Jews in Britain), and later picked up steam when the Brits took control of the Levant. Here's a deeper question than antisemitism, who developed the dogmatic system and institutional Christianity which would ultimately lead to G0ys taking part in Zionism? Based on all my liberal arts studies I think it happened sometime during and within the Roman Empire, but conspiracy theorists will say that this sort of 'secret conspiracy to dominate the world' began even earlier in the Greco-Roman pagan Mystery Cults, because by nature, the Mystery Cults always had to exist in secret and were not in accordance with orthodox religion at that time. If you want to go even deeper, why the hell do we live in a world where all this invisible kooky paranormal soykafe happens that we can't explain and hides itself from us constantly?

>>48581 >Any individual of any race or ethnicity may try to group themselves with different people at different times to suit an interest of theirs or they may choose not to. I'm not even sure how that is arguing against what I've said as I explicitly criticized this exact ethnic chamelionism. You're either being a purposefully ignorant goym or covering for your tribe. I understand in either way the reasoning but this is a gross oversimplification in response to what you perceived as an oversimplification on my part. The world is complex and these things have nuance and layers. There's about a dozen families who supposedly truly run things, of various ethnic and aristocratic backgrounds. There's likely more secret societies and covert interest groups of which we by their nature know little to nil about. But then you still have that prevalent jewish nepotism and supremacism which stretches throughout a vast range of key positions. Just look at what Biden's administration looked like and Trump's isn't much better. Obviously there's some jews who are smart enough to realize the grave that their tribe's collective compulsion is digging, I just wish there were many more of them. Meanwhile it's just a few groups of people you get debanked for when you publicly criticize them. Also I'm aware about the differences that the metropolitan diaspora, hasidic and zionist jews have but they generally still agree on one thing, that they aren't goym. But say, can you see why I wouldn't be particularly happy about ethnic tribes at large compete against my interests, including by trying to blend in to push their own interests even more effectively, while I'm being told to be accepting and tolerant and bring sacrifices to an out group in the name of tolerance? Can you understand why there would be growing resent in populations who do not benefit from this arrangement while expected to keep giving? Of course there's also muslim, hindo, cino and even negroid populations who take advantage of whitey's suicidal altruism and internal shame culture but would you be surprised when that sentiment eventually stopped? >>48573 I suppose when you reach the point where you don't even have to look up the early life section and can just tell by a portrait thumbnail you forget how far down the bottom is. Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty decent at EthnoGuessr and could likely pinpoint with good accuracy from what part of Africa their ancestors were sold from. >>48586 >Zionism first began in Britain, did it not? lel Looking at how the eternal anglo conducted themselves throughout history I wouldn't even be surprised.

>>48586 For the record, to my surprise Wikipedia says "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was published in the 1800's but for some reason my memory tells me I read in a history book it was published shortly after the Napoleonic Wars. I may be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that after the Napoleonic Wars antisemitism started getting popular, and it had something to do with Russian intelligence or Russian military officers promoting the idea of "Jewish conspiracy".

>antisemitism You mean the informed distrust of a separate self serving population among your midst? >I read somewhere that after the Napoleonic Wars antisemitism started getting popular It goes much further back than that. Sure, whether it was the same lineage can be its own discussion but even the ancient egyptians famously weren't so keen on the hebrews. I wonder what pattern of behavior leads to this long lasting trend. Is it their "success" or them being "god's chosen people"? And inb4 ur jus jelly and nazy, I'm genuinely interested from an anthropological perspective. And how it can be addressed in a sane way to forward humanity at large instead of just feeding all global efforts into one single variation of abrahamic scripture like virgin girls into a volcano. >and it had something to do with Russian intelligence or Russian military officers promoting the idea of "Jewish conspiracy" Yes, russians had their gripes with their jewish population as well as it also seemed mutual. I also read somewhere that explained why it's so difficult nowdays to find any original tsarist ruble gold coins these days. Not to mention the ethnic cleansings of the slavic population under the pre Stalin bolsheviks.

I wonder how it feels to be Palestinian?

>>48582 That's why the Jews cannot accept the new Testament , they're cock roaches who worship the false God

>>48591 Idk must be weird not existing

>>48592 Jesus is a Jew named Yeshua Ben Yoseph. The "ben" is Hebrew for denoting "son of". Romanized it was made into "Joshua son of Joseph" but those arent their names they are derivative names. For fuarrrk sake why is it most Christians don't even know their own religion.

>>48597 So your post is an example of why there is antisemitism in the world...

>>48333 I am not going to add much to this discussion. But I am heavily against anti-semetism. It is wild to me the amount of hate jewish people receive even when they are white most of the time. That racial propaganda still flows strong, and it's vile how people are still parroting the same soykafty points as they were a couple hundred years ago. What is like kicking dead whales down the beach doe is how much it affects people. Literally today I was talking with a jewish person, and when I said "mormons are just trying to pretend to be as cool as jewish people" they were surprised to hear anything good about jews. Basically, I hate crackers. Glory to the Jewish autonomous oblast of mamdanistan or something.

>>48601 So, on one side, you got the poor widdle Joos who keep bombarding children, bulldozing homes, passing orwellian laws in the west, and practicing the Dahhia doctrine to genocide their opponents and attack nations unprompted. On the other side there are chuds online who say fuarrrk Germans. I grow tired. Correction, more radical.

>>48602 >widdle Joos who keep bombarding children The crimes of Israel are not the crimes of jewish people. There are plenty that live outside of that country. But we cannot forget that this colonial project is supported by europeans and americans, for their interest in the region. Awful argument >passing orwellian laws in the west this is just pure idiocy. Jewish people are not to blame because of state crackdowns, it is simple contradictions. The conditions will get worse. >practicing the Dahhia doctrine to genocide their opponents and attack nations unprompted. something the US and Europe have done for many more years than israel has. And no, you cannot say that every single bad thing that has ever happened was because of jewish people. Because it is both childish and just plain moronic.

>>48603 >Joos are not responsible for their country Everyone has a responsibility, towards the world, towards the nation that hosts them... Except jews when it's fitting to them... We can look outside of israel. In the USA the poor little jews have organized in a massively overrepresented state cabal nested in the congress and state institutions. Everywhere in the west unless you support israeli policies at any time jews everywhere in media and politics jump on your back as an "antisemite". Might be an indication as to you're seeing EU and USA support. You're misleading, also I notice a big lack of serious political opposition to bibi at home in israel country, and still strong support for israeli policy in overseas jews. >Also stupid "language enhancer"

https://youtu.be/zyQ5f_ixZrw?si=GmM7Tk2OuF1NQH3E I suggest anyone curious about jews should look into Kevin Macdonald. He was a professor on “group evolutionary theory” and wrote a quite infamous book on jewish behavior.

>>48608 Always funny you fashfаgs do stupid soykaf like this. You just posted a link with a tracker in it.

i've no stake in this thread, i pretty much dislike all groups of people on general principle (individuals matter more), but: >>48609 i've always found it disrespectful for people to post youtube links on a mainly text-based website, and extremely lazy as well if they don't bother to summarize as well. videos aren't really an engaging medium for learning anymore, very oversaturated

>>48610 It can be but sometimes a video that goes into full detail is more engaging if it isn't full of garbage. I often just watch videos at a few times the speed since many of them the speaker talks slow enough if you speed them up they sound normal at 2x or 2.5x speed.

>>48609 I’m not a Fascist. You think anyone who is critical of jewish behavior is a “nazi” or a Fascist, never mind ordinary people can look at what’s happening in the world and look back at history and see there is clearly a jewish element behind things. And regardless, israel is the most ethnocentric and Fascistic state in the world right now.

people on the internet behave like children. Nigger, glitterboy, and degenerate are common insults. Also they love to cry free Palestine, while they are terrorists.

>>48613 >terrorists Ah yes, the terrorists practicing Dahiya doctrine, bombing hospitals and razing all of gaza to the ground, committing numerous organized massacres such as Tantura (amound a myriad others)... damn palis am i right? For what it's worth if you think people online behave like kids and it makes you weary, try simply being better than them. Again the jew is incapable of self-reflection in a world where he was exiled out of about 110 nations (roughly half of all countries existing today) This semitic behavior lends credence to the teachings of Adolf Hitler

Keep your hands to yourself. Don't point, it's rude. If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. Treat others the way that you want to be treated.

>>48615 >If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. horrible advice, it drags the rest of the post down with it

>>48612 Fascist wasn't meant as a gatcha moment it's just i have never once seen anyone be antisemetic who wasn't either a White Nationalist or a Black Nationalist or an Islamist Arab or something adjacent. You should be above this if you aren't into those kind of things or something like it, but till further notice I will assume you are since you seem to think purely ethnically and racially it seems until you prove otherwise. There is a difference between lumping all people of a specific ethnic group together versus giving an actual legitimate criticism of common cultural trends among some but not all and you don't seem to be phrasing things to suggest the later. I could agree Israel has a lot of ethnic focus more so than other countries as far as I am aware but it also is relatively secular at least so it could have been worse. I am not sure if I would call it a facist government since this term has become very difficult to pin down these days but I can say it's tyrannical and oppressive. While I do support people able to freely associate to a reasonable degree I do not support any large nation states that are based purely on things like race and religion, I could give culture some degree of excuse if not too rigid. Though technically Israel is secular on paper it does have some clearly religious influences so in terms of religion I'd think a few Muslim nations are worse.

>>48617 I think a big part of that is that the people who frame things in terms that allow for ethnonationalisms tend to see quite a bit through those lenses and anti semitism is frequently just a particular xenophobia in the same way that anti hinduism is. Its just that the jews have a big enough lobby to make such a big stink about it.

>>48617 Because once you realize that part of jewish success is due to strong ethnocentrism, where they can get zero interest loans and cushy well paid jobs simply through connections and what they are, you see a population of desert dwellers withstanding being surrounded by islamic terrorists by simply having some fascism, while you're stuck in the rat race under a gov who hates your people and have to pull yourself up by your own boot strings, the only reasonable conclusion one can have in such a predicament is to become ethnocentric and fascistic themselves. Besides, your spells are wearing off and people are getting tired of your kind of sophistry. Call me all you want, I would like to return to the 90's post racial world any day, but maybe I was simply oblivious to the war that was going on against my race. And in current year, how can you not be racially aware? >You should be above this A free market and egalitarian society can not work when elements conspire and try to game their host system. This isn't antisemitism, this is anti bad faith actors. >some but not all The difference between the majority and 100% isn't really that significant in practice.

>>48619 the medieval ghetto voodoo jew spells are wearing off

Maybe stop trying to genocide Europeans and things will get better for both of us. Seriously, every time you see something bad happen you scratch the surface a little bit and you will find an international jew behind it. It's quite literally every single time. Always scheming something, rabid ethno/cultural centrism and parasitism, extract resources and inject cultural/judicial/political/architectural/etc poison until the host is too weak to fight back or dies.

You know one thing that really pisses me off about jews (besides their invasion of Palestine, murdering JFK and destroying the twin towers so they could trick Americans into going to war in the Middle East to destabilize their enemies) is that they are treating the war against Iran as an American operation, it’s “Trump’s war”. The Weasley little jew Ben Shapiro goes on and gives his opinion on “America’s war” which is making them look bad, the war that is cornering israel into an uncomfortable position …. The war that if we were to pull out from and oppose the same jew Shapiro and similar voices would cry out is antisemitism and a betrayal of “our” “greatest ally”. Nevermind our “greatest ally” would probably attack us for pulling out while somehow managing to frame themselves as the victim.

>>48385 >Side note I find the term antisemite weird. Why do Jews get stakes on the term semite? Arabs are semites too. The proper proposed term would be anti-judaism. The jews culturally are, by default way more advantaged than others, because they're not bound by nationality, as other current societies. They have a vastly bigger network of connections. I think anti-semitism would be basically a non-issue if it were not for the politics of Israel. I have yet to look for a good summary of Israeli and Arab politics since the 20th century, but looking back at over 70 years of ongoing conflict, with every statesperson opposing Israeli policy, dying, is terrible for the whole world. Like an inflammed wound that never heals. But I think every capitalist of every nation is just as greedy and ruthless, so I don't think "jews" are special in that regard. Also there is opposition against the current goverment in Israel, but then it's just the same as with Russia. >>48333 You can tell people that you're jewish, if you want to, but If you support what "your" country is currently doing, then you really shouldn't be surprised if people get mad at you. >All I can say is pic related, they really never thought things through.

If you believe that, I've got a text-based language generator I'd like to sell you.