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is emo just an evolution of melodic rock? that would be weird, it would be like if 40 year old balding boowmers got together and starting acting all cute like uwu like 16 year old emo girls and boys do. just imagine if the members of boston were singing alexisonfire

>>48115 it's an evolution of punk. it split off when the hardcore punks were sick of the "wah-wah my feelings" lyrics in their shows. Around that time they got called emos (emotional punks). Over time, as the scene drifted away from rebellion but retained the emotional catharsis, it took on its own distinct identity. After grunge died and emo went full mainstream, pop fully integrated into the scene making it plenty accessible to teens and tweens, spawning the uwu soykaf you're likely familiar with (story extremely abbreviated) > it would be like if 40 year old balding boowmers got together and starting acting all cute like uwu like 16 year old emo girls and boys do emo in the 90s and at the gates of the 2000s was far more hardcore than it became by 2005. look at nearly any debut album of any big emo band of the time and you'll see they started with harder, harsher sounds. in my experience, the balding men in these scenes act more like traditional punks but mingle suspiciously often with people half their age.

>>48116 I thought emos came from goth culture, like they are a more emotional version of goth people.

>>48119 goth emos came about because twilight made monster fncking mainstream, which is both hardcore AND gothic

i don’t really know anything about that genre

>>48115 >it would be like if 40 year old balding boowmers got together and starting acting all cute like uwu like 16 year old emo girls and boys do I've been to a few emo/scene shows recently and you do see balding men in their 30s/40s singing along, some still dressed in the 00s emo look, though it's usually mostly women who dress the part. I usually don't see that many young people at them, either. It's usually mostly people who were teens when it was popular and who are now 30+

New user to emo/punk here, what are some good "real" punk albums I should listen to? Mid-90's and early 2000's type stuff, before the major split.

>>48133 What are the bands you like already? By the 90s, punk was a pretty broad genre. Crass released "punk is dead" in the late 70s, after all.

>>48133 Minor Threat are considered a genuine punk band who meanwhile distinguished themselves for emotional themes but to be more specific it was Fugazi who released music in the 90's that exceeded punk standards because they emphasized just making whatever music they actually wanted

>>48136 Minor Threat definitely isn't "true punk" if we're going into the main ideology of punk rather than the sound. I'd be more inclined to recommend bands like Crass and Choking Victim, Crass did lame out with their copyright bullshit but it definitely wasn't anywhere near the level of Minor Threat. Also >emo Like anything that becomes mainstream, it's worn out and extremely capitalized, actually nasty that it came from punk. Even worse that Gen Z "revived" it and brought back horrible companies like True Religion and affliction.

>>48137 >ideology of punk My understanding is basically do-it-yourself rock & roll music. So it involves, for better or worse, producing music which is primarily what the band genuinely wants to play. Disregard for the mainstream enables a band to express themselves like for example, John Lydon's lyrics in PiL and The Ramones three chord song structures, so a band is disinhibited from playing "serious" like prog-rock instead preferably music that was more fun, unpretentious, and usually really simple. In practice being punk involves inventing your own standards in an openly confrontational and aggressive fashion that embraces impulse. Minor Threat played punk rock music and also Ian Mackaye's lyrics responded to things that happened alot in the punk scene.