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I posted this on /r9k/ but it died quickly Revenge is better than forgiveness Petty soykaf can be forgiven Abuse or injustice deserves revenge I'd rather "drink the poison" then just forget what my abusers did to me and my family I really don't fuarrrking care about the supposed negative effects of anger, letting go of my anger means my abusers win And I won't stop hating my abusers until I see them burning in hell Modern psychology is full of glitterboy nonsense that doesn't work in the real world If someone rapes your daughter, why the fuarrrk should you turn the other cheek? Modern psychology ruined society with all this faggy bullshit Forgiveness is just repressing your feelings I don't want to heal if healing means I have to be a thin skinned doormat of a person I would I want to heal if it means I have to turn the other cheek to my abusers? I'm perfectly fine being a miserable cunt if it maens I get to hate my abusers and get my revenge Anger is a natural emotion, you're emotionally castrating yourself by forgiving your abusers Anyone who preaches forgiveness deserves to rot in hell I'm tired of all this soykaf

Rape is hot but in a consentual way

>letting go of my anger means my abusers win They win the moment they succeed at taking control over the movement of your mind, when it abandons its course and instead of pursuing its dreams is forced to experience pain and must play endless unpleasant games with people it doesn't like. From the very beginning. >just forget Forgiveness never required forgetting, it only requires not losing your freedom for the sake of entertaining people you don't even like. I don't want to be an animal, I wish to flow like the sky. Happy, immortal and free... And whomever...

>>47377 >"letting go of my anger means my abusers win" ... this is what basically happened elsewhere for me. A whole chaotic loop where I wanted some content to be gone forever, but, you know, didn't work at all. >"... I won't stop hating my abusers until I see them burning in Hell." Same here for me (in regards to, say for example, a news website), but people think that I am delusional. This is too much for me if these are my personal demons. I believe that modern psychology is adaptable for any situation.

>>47375 Anger at others is like picking up a burning coal with your bare hand with the intent of throwing it at them. Hatred others is like drinking poison in the hopes it makes them sick.

>>47375 Don't you think it would be better to free yourself from the cycle of vengeance by forgiving? Choose wisely what kind of person you'll become, OP.

>>47410 >>47411 "rEvEnGe iS Le Poison" This statement is complete bullshit and I'm tired of hearing it. Give it a fuarrrking rest

>>47411 I think that's what they call 'letting them walk all over you'. Personally I think its a great strategy for all the people I like least in the world.

It should be like desiring to straighten a crooked picture on a wall. Something to set right, but not something that should require emotional investment. If you put a .22 in their head it should feel like they gave you back that 20 dollars they owed you from some time ago.

>>47376 what tf you talking about?

>>47415 It's Judeo-Masonic programming. "If you defeat your opponent, they win. The only way you win is to forgive and forget, ie, turn your brain off, shut the fuarrrk up, and stay out of the way. Live and let live <333"

>>47415 Hatred is le poison. Revenge removes the poison, but in exchange, by making you feel better, it conditions your mind to crave revenge, which requires clinging to hatred, which increases the amount of poison it makes you drink...

>Modern psychology is full of glitterboy nonsense that doesn't work in the real world Not all of modern psychology is the same or sees eye to eye within eachother, with there being multiple different practices and disciplines. The real world you so speak is a world that you see fit to you, simply being a reflection of your own mind. >Forgiveness is just repressing your feelings Forgiveness is actually a transformation of feelings and having the best control of yourself. The revenge that you probably so believe is very ooga booga primal nigga soykaf. Good revenge is thought out, planned, heightens yourself with gain in the process. Simply punching the person who abused your family doesn't heighten or create and such gains for yourself.

>>47471 >Forgiveness is actually a transformation of feelings and having the best control of yourself. The revenge that you probably so believe is very ooga booga primal nigga soykaf. Nope. That's a watered down version (perversion) of the real principle it's derived from, "act, don't react". There most certainly is such a thing as a measured act of vengeance which stems from compassion and long term, higher ideals. The idea that such things are simply an "ooga booga" primal spasm of the lower mind is based on the notion that everyone is fundamentally good, everyone is basically the same, everyone is trying their best, and that "evil" or "Defective" behavior is a sort of corruption of good rather than a trait itself. It also asserts that people are incapable of learning from negative experiences, and that positive reinforcement is the only type of behavior modifcation that gets real results (which again is based on the axiom that we're all the same). It's a tangled mess of wrong to the point where I could only rightly call it a deliberate contrivance.

>>47472 I mean, everyone is fundamentally good and the same. Everyone, at their core, only wants to bathe in that feeling a regular person can only experience when in love, nothing more. The problem is that our mind doesn't understand and can't fully control itself; it just endlessly assumes that correlation equals causation, then launches random programs aimed to achieve whatever correlated with happiness in the past. These programs can't be stopped and keep running until they run out of energy...

Sometimes self-defense is required, and revenge can be self-defense. It can reduce the crimes of criminals, if done correctly, and abuse is always crime or crimes, and abusers are always criminals. Sometimes you have to give criminals incentive to fuarrrk off so you can heal. That there are consequences for abuse can easily be incentive for criminals to quit their crime(s). But sometimes revenge means not improving anything about anything; abusers and abuse can both get worse. It's best not to be at all criminal with your revenge, and it's better to choose legal self-defense. Becoming an abuser, too, is a bad idea; nothing good comes of it.

>>47473 >I mean, everyone is fundamentally good and the same. Almost everyone is fundamentally evil and bad. And some are not fundamentally the same as the evil and bad ones. >Everyone, at their core, only wants to bathe in that feeling a regular person can only experience when in love, nothing more. Satan really messed up when designing these machines, the organisms with a nervous system that includes genitals. I don't relate to what you've said of everyone, here, but maybe you're right about the majority of organisms who have experienced the feeling. >The problem is that our mind doesn't understand and can't fully control itself; it just endlessly assumes that correlation equals causation, then launches random programs aimed to achieve whatever correlated with happiness in the past. These programs can't be stopped and keep running until they run out of energy... It's an issue when you don't know how it works. But relative to that "love" feeling, I don't relate to getting caught up in how humans tend to go about these things and what they tend to experience... And why the fuarrrk do they do such lame soykaf in the first place. I love love, but I mean something other than the "in love" you meant. The in-love feelings Satan designed are merely to get organisms addicted to breeding. There is nothing special about it. In the event you fail with a partner, and are "heartbroken", it was designed to potentially kill. Satan designed it this way. You may as well get addicted to some other euphoria. People tend to get addicted to their own feelings, no one else's, and not each other, as people. "In love" should really be called something else. Love has nothing to do with that feeling. It's just sexual euphoria. It's just lust. Felt in the heart. Greatly.

>>47470 Revenge isn't always a never ending cycle you brainless retard I want it one and done >>47471 >Good revenge is thought out, planned, heightens yourself with gain in the process. Agreed, which is what I plan to do >>47473 >everyone is fundamentally good No. All forgiveness does is let the abuser get away with what they've done Justice should be the only answer

>>47485 Get away? But in the end, the abused and the abuser have exactly the same goal. They just try to reach it through different paths. Both paths are fake, of course. But with great luck, they might get a lick of it, even if fleeting and tainted. Your justice is also a fake path… It doesn't lead to what we all truly desire.

>>47486 >It doesn't lead to what we all truly desire. I think our abusers getting punished is what we all rant Or at least what a normal minded person would want, not some brain dead retard like you

>>47487 What drives your mind is the desire to return the feeling lost due to the abuser. What drives the mind of the abuser is the desire to experience that same feeling. The majority of people end up strongly wishing for there to be injustice and misery... Not for themselves, of course, only for others. But it isn't possible to exist in such a world and not constantly experience some pain. And to change the world is to fight against the whole humanity alone. So, instead of burning oneself to bring the change no one wants and punish robots moving to the same goal with a wrong path before they have a chance to self correct, wouldn't it be better to just directly reach what our mind truly desires? And an eternity to enjoy it…

>>47469 True dat, turning the other cheek is just a justification for injustice in the form of lazyness. People who hold this mentality do not want to pursue the wrongdoers but want a mental excuse for theyre cowardace, at the same time it provides a pretext by which they can paint themselfs as the good guys. Also the people who wait for the messiah are just lazy.

>>47488 I read your post eight times and I still can't make any sense of it

Everytime one of these Reddit users open their worthless mouths on the discussion of justice they always talk about some bullshit like karma The universe doesn't give a soykaf about you It's only up to you and possibly your fellow man to achieve justice against your abisers

>>47494 The other retarded idea they bring up is "revenge is a life well lived" I'm disabled and rely on others for assistance My abusers live a better life than me I have nothing to risk or lose by seeking justice against the dickheads who abused me

>>47494 >The universe doesn't give a soykaf about you This is also Judeo-Masonic programming. It's demonstrably false. The universe is not a passive and "objective" medium that your mind is simply filtering and modeling.

>>47494 You are the universe. You are everything. One day you will understand.

>>47496 >>47497 Both of you talk like new age schizos

>>47498 And? You speak and say nothing.

>>47499 >You speak and say nothing. Neither do you but at least I don't my ramblings are devine knowledge

>>47502 More senseless and pointless output. What are you even saying right now? What are you doing? What do you want? What do you intend? Why? Do you even know? I honestly doubt you do.

>>47503 *Don't think my rambling are devine knowledge Is what I meant to type

My sister molested me and now I deal with nightmares and I can't see a naked women without seeing her Forgiveness won't do soykaf I want her in a cell

>>47506 cute... was your dick all hard at seeing her naked?