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Orders Of Magnitude

William Holtzer · 2024-11-07 18:25
Lately I've been thinking a lot about the fact that maybe, we are small microbes, living in the finger of a giant. See, we haven't discovered something smaller than a particle; is the tiniest thing that we've come across yet, and, we don't even know how big we are. We compare our size to the observable universe, but we don't know what's beyond that. There might be whole universes that are smaller than a particle, that we'll never be able to see; and there might be giants bigger than the whole universe, that don't know that we exist, since to them, we are smaller than a particle. What you lainons think? You fellows think that the whole universe it's extremely tiny compared to whatever it is that's out there?
Unknown · 2024-11-07 19:19
terms like "small" and "large" are always completely relative. However length scale does cause significant differences in what physical processes are relevant -- gravity dominates on large scales, electromagnetism on intermediary scales, and quantum BS on small scales. This is a way bigger difference than similarly-sized beings living on a different planet; a being whose natural scale is larger would operate on completely different physical principles to us, not just slightly different biochemistry. You can even see the effects of scale with much smaller differences. A bacteria the size of a human couldn't possibly live, and neither could a human the size of a bacteria. On the other end, fungi and some tree colonies have been observed on scales of a few dozen kilometers, and even then you have to be very specific about your definition of "single entity", since electrochemical signals might not be able to propagate through the whole colony. Again nothing at all like humans. Why would a being that is bigger than the observable universe or smaller than the planck length even be recognizable as alive to us, much less have a "fingertip"?
Cereal Killer · 2024-11-08 07:47
>>43048 >Why would a being that is bigger than the observable universe or smaller than the planck length even be recognizable as alive to us, much less have a "fingertip"? The most probable thing, is that if it exists, we'll never be able to reassure that it's there. If it follows the characteristics of living beings, then we could be able to recognize it as alive, but then again, science might never get to the point where it is able to recognize the real complexity of a particle, and the things that are beyond our observable universe. Hell, maybe the problem resides in the fact that we as humans don't really think about the fact that the only reason as to why something is "alive" is because we consider it to be; nothing actually exists, and maybe we should change the rules of what defines something being alive. >much less have a "fingertip"? When i meant fingertip i said it more on a metaphoric way than a literal one. Probably, this giant I am talking about, won't have no fingertip, yes, correct, but i do believe that there's something alive out there, that we are a part of. Operates with different physical principles, as you mentioned? Yeah, probably, but i really believe that it's out there.