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The internet has become a disgusting, creepy, and frankly enraging place. No matter where you go there's some weird fnck creep behind the veil hiding, deleting, filtering, purging, blocking, your soykaf. The rest of the time people's brains are so compromised that they can't even engage with anything. This is an accurate barometer of global brain function and psychosocial stability at various levels of organization, the whole thing is contaminated and crashing down. If you can't see this even at this late hour you're at best a victim of, but more likely, a part of, the problem. It's like you're interacting with biobots. Human shaped objects that are all puppets of some central hivemind.

I had to delete every post because, to quote Appleman, "Kindergarten is elsewhere."

>>42360 The wise and the adventurous shall apply prophylactics before entering in order to extract the gems; yet tarry not, lest ye be afflicted. We are building arks for precious cargoes. Winter is coming.

>>42360 "O tempora, o mores!" > No matter where you go there's some >weird fnck creep behind the veil hiding, deleting, filtering, purging, blocking, your soykaf. You are not entitled to anyone's attention. Behave, or else. >The rest of the time people's brains are so compromised that they can't even engage with anything. They just aren't buying what you're selling. > This is an accurate barometer of global brain function and psychosocial stability at various levels of organization, the whole thing is contaminated and crashing down. If the thing crashes down, you'll see a tiny dinosaur jumping over cactuses. If the other thing crashes down, you'll see the light at the end of the tunnel. > If you can't see this even at this late hour you're at best a victim of, but more likely, a part of, the problem. Read the The Internet revolution by Richard Barbrook. It's not new. > It's like you're interacting with biobots. Human shaped objects that are all puppets of some central hivemind. Don't look down on others, maybe they'll find you more likeable.

>>42370 I don't want to be likeable, I want them to start doing what they're supposed to on their own. Not as a matter of alignment, imitation, or not desiring to offend a friend. >You are not entitled to anyone's attention. Behave, or else. I'm sure that's exactly what you think when youtube deletes your comments or randomly blocks you from chats with no clear cause. Yeah, that's exactly what goes through your dumbass little head that saw my post and sought to create the worst possible strawman interpretation and then responded to that to really show me, instead of being a real person. >They just aren't buying what you're selling. See above. You've set out to deliberately interpret whatever I say in a particular and highly negative light. your followup to this will be a request for me to control you, instead of controlling yourself. >If the other thing crashes down, you'll see the light at the end of the tunnel. I won't be going into the light.

Its the universal problem of outliers. You have to create a space where you gatekeep the avg out but being exclusive brings the problem of how to reach target members to build a community in first place. And the biggest challenge is you have to advertise in a manner that wont get derezzed/blocked as common mainstream platforms want to stop anyone else draining their users. Lastly i must say im also guilty myself not using my old places and thereby aiding their dead. I hope its just me getting old & lazy and not a general trend that extends to next generation youth.

>>42372 You're complaining about a commercial platform, such as youtube, being opaque soykaf and not appreciate your nuggets of wisdom with the care it deserves on an image board. This is an excericse in futility, and technical issue may be a cause, but not the problem. You're in a middle of a crowd, if you want to become a center of it - you'll have to sell, to perform, to attract, manipulate, create - whatever you may want to call it. Alternatively you can always do a barrel roll.

>>42374 Imageboards have similar behavior. Same trends runs through them. Same boring ethos. >You're in a middle of a crowd, if you want to become a center of it No, I have always been the center of the crowd. No matter what I do I ultimately tend to stand out. Whereas I would prefer to work indirectly, from the background. >Alternatively you can always do a barrel roll. Leaving forums and such is likely the best approach. I did this for several months but then returned in a period of high stress.

>some weird fnck creep behind the veil hiding >people's brains are so compromised that they can't even engage with anything >interacting with biobots >Human shaped objects that are all puppets of some central hivemind *Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes >Yeah, that's exactly what goes through your dumbass little head that saw my post and sought to create the worst possible strawman interpretation and then responded to that to really show me, instead of being a real person *Believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people >your followup to this will be a request for me to control you, instead of controlling yourself. *A grandiose sense of self-importance or *Often being envious of others or believing that others are envious of them >No, I have always been the center of the crowd. No matter what I do I ultimately tend to stand out. *A grandiose sense of self-importance (exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) / again *believing that others are envious of them / (maybe) *Believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people / again *Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes / again OP have Narcissistic personality disorder. He's showing 7 out of 9 of the DSM-5 criteria for it in only 3 posts. Maybe a bit of BPD too, as it all comes from the mods deleting his vaccine thread. Anyway, I won't convince him to seek professional help and neither do you, better leave his nonsense spamming.

>>42376 I used to think I was, but no. Odds are I studied this way more deeply than you. You can probably still find my threads about Evangelion and the empty schizoid core (shared machinery between schizotypal and NPD) elsewhere on this site.

>>42378 >Odds are I studied this way more deeply than you. 2 things: -It's literally my diploma/field/job -You can't diagnose yourself I might sound awkward on my posts tho, my english is very bad

>>42379 You can't diagnose me either. If you had any respect for your field you would have to interview me and perform structured interviews of those around me. The DSM is just a garbage heap made to provide billing codes for insurance. The ICD is okay but still soykaf.

>>42380 >You can't diagnose me either. If you had any respect for your field you would have to interview me and perform structured interviews of those around me. yep That's why I keep telling you to seek professional, in real life, help. I was trying to create a wake up call for you and a possible explanation for your nonsense for people reading the thread so they stop dealing with you like you are a bad person, as you are most likely, in my opinion, a normal guy with a mental disorder. >The DSM is just a garbage heap made to provide billing codes for insurance. The ICD is okay but still soykaf. >Odds are I studied this way more deeply than you. Yeah.. you just read without understanding while drawing your own uneducated conclusions. You're right I can't diagnose you like that, you're showing signs of ASPD too. Anyway, as I said, you most likely will note listen to my advice but eh; please go see someone who CAN diagnose you and treat you. It won't magically be better but it will most likely improve your life.

>>42375 >Imageboards have similar behavior. Same trends runs through them. Same boring ethos. You follow rules of a host. If you fail, you don't know the rules. Depending on what you failed, the host may be your favourite fingerbox exchange platform, neighbor, bank, police, gag reflex, or laws of thermodynamics. Apply imagination >No, I have always been the center of the crowd. >No matter what I do I ultimately tend to stand out. Whereas I would prefer to work indirectly, from the background. I'm sure you're the grey cardinal, have a biscuit. >Leaving forums and such is likely the best approach. I did this for several months but then returned in a period of high stress Dear Lain, get a support group. Internet is not that. I don't care if you decide to go for good, but this is a soykaf substitute.

>>42381 Go away, dumbass. I don't think I'm special, I AM SPECIAL. I didn't choose it either. I'm the product of a manufacturing process you and every other stupic cocksucker on this planet will never comprehend. That's just a fact. Your own manner of engagement is itself proof of my thread concept. You're so broken that all you want todo is talk about the personas in the script, and not the script itself. You're lost. You need to go away. >>42382 >You follow rules of a host. If you fail, you don't know the rules. My god, this is so fncking stupid. Do you think I never had a childhood? Never visited somewhere else? You sh!t for brains amoral urbanite. >Dear Lain, get a support group. People are manipulative creatures like you, they just want to use me. I never should have gotten involved with them.

Do you think that there is any value in engaging with geopolitics? Are there any heads of state, historical or otherwise, that you see as good leaders? Or do you tend to view the whole world-system as irretrievably sick and dying? It seems that the situation you describe is, if not limited to one place, concentrated to it. The ability to reason about the future and be optimistic seems like a good indicator of regional health. Lately I've been entertaining the idea that this is the very simple ultimate project of humanity, if there ever was one: achieving perfect future-prediction and ending time, setting the stage for the next process to happen.

>>42385 Well yeah, I thought about the reason for nature to create man being for it to do what nature could not, creating a new form of awareness. Same deal with bacteria and sea life terraforming earth and the oxygen nitrogen fixation and carbon cycles and so on. These days I just see it as my own role in the story is done. There will be death, but I reject rebirth, and the renewal will be someone else's problem. >pic Synthetic "biomimetic" cells that probably use xenoDNA and whatever else.

>>42385 I drank a lot of kava recently and totally misinterpreted your post. Ending time. I don't even know what time is. It probably isn't a linear process to be ended. Although the way we're inserted into the psychophysical is temporalized, hence we experience it as relatively linear and only recognize nonlinear causation through the linear lens. So I'd say the basic ontology has to be revisited.... mental activity directly influences reality. To end time you have to end the self. The end the universe entirely, space and time, I don't know. If it's something you're projected or sunk into and trapped ina sort of vortex creating by the physical body, then that would entail one thing. If it's you turned inside out or some overlapping Indra's Net like structure then that's another.

>>42370 >Don't look down on others, maybe they'll find you more likeable. Reminder 15% of the population is clinically retarded. IRL you grade people through education and filter them out for employment. Friend circles drop undesirable people. The problem online is you dont get to filter and exclude so the avoidance to address the problem fails. Online you go wasting time going in circles around the problem cause you are forbidden to point it out... And that's how you get resident idiots with 20k posts on a forum soykafting up forum sites. As the problem is not addressed it festers.

>>42388 No Anon, you don't address the problem. You need to be "likeable"!

>>42389 I mean, you are free to choose to stay unlikable, but don't be surprise people delete your nonsense from their servers. If you truly want to say (legal) dumb things without consequences, just host your own soykaf and stop crying. Or realize staying unlikable will only isolate you from the rest of society and that people are not dumb just because they don't want to deal with your bullshit. Even better; try to realize what pushes you to stay in your "me vs the dumb world" mentality (hint: a medical professional can help you find out)

>>42390 What makes you sure its not you who needs therapy?

>>42391 It's like I said above, they're biobots. Human shaped objects. Programs. They're running simple scripts and can't create anything on their own, they just modify the scripts by doing whatever everyone else is doing. In this case underneath the illusory complexity is one simple directive, if you have an issue with society then you are not well adjusted. So you should go to a mind mechanic to get adjusted. And this is the key to happiness, adjustment. And happiness is the goal, under the most limited conception, which is a dissociative state where you fit in. This is why he keeps trying to convince me that I'm crazy and tries to hang it on being unlikeable, it's all he can comprehend. "If I can shapeshift and create something that can be likeable by others, I will be okay". This is his entire reality, he can't consider anything else. Hence, he is an incomplete being. He only understand "autoplastic" adaptation, not "alloplastic" adapation. When you look at that poster, you're looking at a pruned down tree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D4z6o0fjk0 They are truly vile, maimed creatures. Body and mind mass produced to be used by others. A toy. A doll. A plaything. An empty vessel, a human shaped object, lights are on but no one is home.

>>42393 > if you have an issue with society then you are not well adjusted. So you should go to a mind mechanic to get adjusted. Not what I said, but that's what you choose to understand. I mean, we are on a niche imageboard en 2024, do you really think anyone here is "well adjusted" lmao You sound like an edgy teen. I mean, it's the internet's eternal summer after all. Maybe I was wrong an you don't have any mental disorder, you can as well be a teenager in his confused era. But be my guest, don't try to improve, keep thinking you're above anyone else, that others are just into the hivemind of something, and come back in a few years to tell us how well it worked for you. Nobody else was in your state of mind before you, after all, you are the chosen one, a true leader.

>>42396 >grandiose sense of self-importance >fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love >believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people >Lacking empathy >believing that others are envious of them >showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes >sense of entitlement >requiring excessive admiration

>>42398 In the DSM 4 you could have two people diagnosed NPD with zero trait overlap. You're just a child slapping labels on things because you're a hypersocialized braindead urbanite n!ggercattle that can only get its way by leveraging social dynamics and overarching cultural constructs. You tap into these currents and think you're cute and clever. In reality the rug can be pulled out from under you any time, the veil torn away, and then you're empty and helpless. No more terms to parrot, the crowd has moved on. That's okay, you hvae too, because you are the crowd. An empty vessel. A biobot. A human shaped object. Why is someone who doesn't know English using the DSM garbage anyway? You have the ICD. Try structural dissociation and cPTSD if you want to stop making a drooling Neo-Freudian fnck out of yourself, cigar smoker (cocksucker).

>>42399 >Irritability and aggressiveness >misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous >a combative and tenacious sense of self-righteousness out of keeping with the actual situation >not realizing the mods keep this thread alive to contain his nonsense in a single place

>>42398 kek, I found an article named after you, biobot. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cox%E2%80%93Zucker_machine

>>42400 >>42399 Even if you believe a person has some kind of erroneous pathology (as qualified by the DSM or whatever), you should generally meet the person where they are at some level, rather than telling them that everything they see believe and do is necessarily wrong, contaminated in total by that pathology. "If what you see is right, what would that imply about what you should do? Why do you believe what you do?" Of course industrial psychology is more about creating productive workers and lifelong medication subscribers than humans.

>>42403 See >>42381 >please go see someone who CAN diagnose you and treat you. It won't magically be better but it will most likely improve your life. >Of course industrial psychology is more about creating productive workers and lifelong medication subscribers than humans. Maybe it's more the case in the great USA. Can't tell it's the case in the country where I live, we have a tendency to try everything non-medicational before prescribing anything. But I do realize it can be the case if you're in the US. You can see multiple doctors tho, if yours is a money hungry lab sponsored dick.

Anyway I'm out of this thread, I tried, good luck with your life. Try not to flood the entirety of this site too much, we can smell you from miles away.

>>42407 Okay, Agent Smith. I will be measured in how I grace this place with my presence.

>It's like you're interacting with biobots. Human shaped objects that are all puppets of some central hivemind. study cybernetics. this was a goal from the beginning. not the only goal, nor uncontested, but rather one of the first purposes of the internet linking military stations to one another in order to accelerate responsiveness feedback loops of their operations to the last, algorithmic learning from feedback of consumer behavior to, optimistically speaking make product but more realistically target advertisements and ultimately direct the economy towards shareholder profits. algorithms directed to make slop for humans and other algorithms - over time, the role of human participation decreases while inorganic contents - what is mass-produced - increase exponentially. at least until the well of engagement-attention economy has been completely dried up, the economy crashes with all this infrastructure (unemployed programmers, specialized software and hardware will be scattered like husks of production past). but this is getting ahead of it. what has remained between each of these bull-run-to-crash tech bubble crises is the fundamental ideology of control - cybernetics - even as whatever academic backing it once borrowed turned away a long time ago. in this model you must realize the computer is not alien to the human, the computer is merely the human's interface into a system which they are inextricably a part of. so the theory promises a modification and assistive technology on top of the system that was already in place. in this context any individual, organization, and perhaps even society is a complex information processor like your computer is, this is not a new system but rather the one in which many things (like the keyboard and mouse) were developed in mind of. each of these systems consists of organic-machinic feedback loops intended to direct social organism like a course-correcting missile, itself analogous to all living beings, or really any relatively stable energetic existence. like stars. this method might be traced, perhaps, back to progressive developments on statecraft first popular in the early 20th century, especially in scandinavian social democracies. while these ideas would be later considered proto-fascist due to their severe incorporation into nazi eugenics, these young-ish democracies had not yet born witness to the horrors of modernity. They viewed society as a biological organism, one which could be healthy or sick, and that all people were cell-like units within the operation of. but when crisis hit, it was not long before this idea was incorporated by certain zealots into policies intended to treat members of its own population like it was supposed the human immune system treated viruses, or bacteria: dirty contaminants meant to be culled from the gene pool. this went the way history knows it. there are few defenses i can make of the cybernetic approach to things. one a contemporary proponent might make is how the function of the system must be democratic in some extent, that its subject feedback loops only work if there is information flow between the system and its constituents. that an organic system which attempts to destroy significant parts of itself can be described as sick, or suicidal, and the outcomes of this sort of behavior are obvious. i think this is what OP touches on. unfortunately, i feel this qualification fails to justify the consistent arising of genocidal, suicidal, warlike, or authoritarian states. certainly, it is possible to imagine the emergent self-awareness of society as a total conscious interconnectivity between people, which is ultimately the maximum democratic feedback (like a superconductive electrical circuit), and perhaps the end state of Marx's prediction about proletariat's concentration and community-forming in cities. however the cybernetic global brain cannot in my eyes be separate from exercise in statecraft, aligned perhaps with a tradition stretching back to Plato's Republic, a rough allegory for both how society should be run and the typical understanding of humans as directed by their brains. Or further, still, to any historical technocracy at all. That is not to say there are very evidently deep differences between the technocrat who imagines society as a living organism, the needs of any individual reduced from their verbal concerns to animal drives no doubt sated by the logic of a superior governant machine, policy, etc (itself a projection of the technocrat in question), and the hacktivist radical speech about how the government or other authorities' egregious violation of social consensus is a failure to the global brain (is this not perhaps some /cyb/ way of saying, *we the people*). while these two poles of similar assumptions certainly have plenty of interesting syntheses and opportunism between them all miss the point of viewing the world as this sort of network to begin with. You see, these ideas all seemingly arise from the certainty of scientific observation which were always the observations of ecosystems, or perhaps thermodynamical ones as well. it has gone without saying that the global brain is a human one, that even as humans are transcended by such things as logic, machinery, economic systems, even spirits all of these things have as their origin the human. Even if the agency of one or all humans has been suppressed, or in marxist terms one class upon another (or the commodity-form's valuation of us all into classes) it is in abstract formation of a human body doing these things. To which Gaia remains elusive. in conclusion i would argue like others have, even as you can argue for a liberatory notion of the global brain, that is contrary to all these restrictive systems you encounter, it is theory rooted in the practice of authoritarian statecraft, political economy, whatever you want to call it. you're preaching to the chorus, at the same time, you are defeating yourself with this reliance on the theory of your very captors. hope this helps

>>42437 >study cybernetics. this was a goal from the beginning. How is cybernetics related? Its a simple problem of power retention. If you elevate every human to his maximum potential then the public will easily discern the propaganda and overthrow rulers not acting in their interest. Especially in a democratic system where competent voters equal a loss of power to the party in reign. Consequentially everyone is trying its best to reduce people to biobots as the previous poster labelled them where they can execute desired functionality but otherwise are mentally lobotomized which keeps them in save limits.

>>42484 >Its a simple problem of power retention this kind of introduction always makes me wince, because it more often than not feels like an effort to fit as many complex and restricting assumptions into as short a sentence as possible. it comes off as severely shortsighted - like a deliberate tunnel vision. to directly answer your question, the simple equation of knowledge = power that you draw upon is fairly modern development in theories of power reliant, and obviously an info-theoretic one. this is at the core of cybernetics. additionally, the treatment of humans like robots arrives from cybernetics. its social policy is oriented around society as a system, which necessitates its subjects act deterministically. it is authoritarian because it needs to restrict peoples abilities so much so that all of their actions can be accounted for.

>>42489 way i see it you simply compare humans to robots now because you have the concept of a robot and neural networks. Its a modern comparison simply because the concept didnt exist before. The idea to keep to control people through limiting education is way older though. Aristoteles already formulated the problem of democracy eats itself because to retain power you have to manipulate voters into stupidity to reelect bad rulers in power. A smart public constitutes a loss in power since it will judge mistakes more harshly so every rules has a need to stupify their voters. And limiting knowledge to nobility & clergy was also a standard method. The catholic church famously abused a monopoly on latin literacy until luther translated the bible into readable language for the public.

>>42360 >No matter where you go there's some weird fnck creep behind the veil hiding, deleting, filtering, purging, blocking, your soykaf. Yeah only those that wish to control things want this power also welcome to gangstalking in the modern world lol look up your Home Owner Association (HOA) or look up the ones near you and look at the last names of majority of the board members. Are they Chinese?

>the paranoids are after me! and they want to control me, and make me do things, and make me not do things, and make me think things! no matter where i go they follow me and find me! they're everywhere! look out! they're behind you! Lol

>>42941 nvr experienced a karen or the average NPC biological androids

>>42936 "HOA" ("board of directors" OR "governance") "$CITY" site:.org It's looking like no matter the $CITY I search the majority is always a cohencidence.

>>42360 thats why its time for you to cancel your internet old pee, life is waiting for you outside of the internet, can't say I didnt tell you so...

>>43052 you mean the society anon, the world is perfect and holy.

Just accept it until the next thing for autists comes around.