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Knights of the Lambda Calculus

Jean Dupont · 2024-08-08 07:59
I've been active on imageboards and forums for literally two decades, but personally I've never seen even an initiative to create a secret (or discreet) order of computer scientists or computer enthusiasts. Watching Lain, you have some mention about a supposed secret society called the "Knights of the Eastern Calculus", but it's not very clear what the goals of such a society are or if it actually exists. What I found in my research is that the Knights of the Lambda Calculus are a kind of joke in the hacker world and that, apparently, there is no concrete action or group in this context. What I suggest here is the creation of a secret (or discreet) society of people interested in the subject. The objective would be, fundamentally, to keep the hacker and LISP culture alive. The way this would be done would be through the creation of educational material and software written in dialects of LISP. For example, we could start by re-writing popular programs like neofetch, cowsay, figlet, etc., but in LISP. This way we would increase the "awareness" of LISP culture, thus keeping the tradition alive. We wouldn't need popular recognition, we wouldn't even need to publish software under the title Knights of the Lambda Calculus. Do you get it? It would be something like the freemasonry of computer science. Read further: https://web.archive.org/web/20200131063155/https://anime.mit.edu/resources/mit_in_anime.php
Agent Smith · 2024-08-08 08:20
Cicada Their stated intent was to recruit people smart enough to solve it.
HELIOS · 2024-08-08 08:34
>>42060 But, at least for me, it looks like Cicada was looking for hackers for general purpose. I don't know much about Cicada, so I might be talking tons of soykaf here, but it doesn't seem to me that people from Cicada were trying to maintain some sort of culture alive. For me it sounded like an organisation looking for smart people to do some real world job. I propose something different here if you know what I mean.
Yet Another Lainon · 2024-08-08 09:51
>>42059 >I've never seen even an initiative to create a secret (or discreet) order of computer scientists or computer enthusiasts Then you missed the entire 2017 - 2019 saga of Lainchan. t. Knight
Nanashi No Gombe · 2024-08-08 10:39
>>42063 Guess I really missed. Any recommendation of where I can read more about that? >t. Knight So you guys managed to accomplish it?
Morpheus · 2024-08-08 11:12
>inb4 thread was inevitable as SEL continues to mirror reality how about something cooler than lisp hecker crap, like distributing programs/resources on liberating tech for the common person, with zero technical non-sense while still being very raw, like how xah-lee does his code tutorials (http://xahlee.info/golang/golang_index.html). people want digital freedom but most just don't have time or see it as worth it to dedicate themselves to learning their devices that are so arbitrarily complicated when their proprietary interfaces already tend to just werk. computers have immense potential to do literally anything, i think intel and microsoft heavily ruined that path cmon, get creative >:(
Trinity · 2024-08-08 11:39
>>42065 >liberating tech >golang See: https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/58409 >just werk See, this is precisely the problem I want to attack. I realise that young people are no longer fascinated by computing. Everything that is proposed first needs to evaluate its usefulness in the corporate world, if it is not useful in the corporate world you say it is "crap". Life goes far beyond your work, there is a universe outside of 9-5. What I want is precisely to combat this notion that computing should be used solely and exclusively to generate profits. Is having fun now a crime, by any chance?
Koos van der Merwe · 2024-08-08 12:55
>>42064 >Any recommendation of where I can read more about that? Those logs are long gone, unfortunately. >So you guys managed to accomplish it? Until the split. I was in a leadership position (1 of 2) and the other one was more interested in detonating than trying to retain.
Haruyoshi · 2024-08-08 13:11
>>42067 I'm interested on the topic, though I'm not sure if I'm in the right board to discuss that. Are you on IRC?
HELIOS · 2024-08-08 14:42
>>42066 I think the fascination with computing was largely founded on the sense that it could be a source of power and independence especially for the underdog. The hacker mystique only exists insofar as the hacker may reach into and affect the world. That ability doesn't have to be corpo career potential or profit, but it has to be instrumental with respect to peoples lives and the world, and not sterile and self-contained. If what you want to do is sterile and self contained, there might not be much reason for it to be a secret society rather than just a hobbyist group.
Jet Black · 2024-08-08 21:49
>>42070 I got your point here. It really don't make much sense to make a "secret society" since the goal isn't something obscure or some sort of secret that we need to preserve. Maybe a hobbyist group would be a better fit for that. Thank you.