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Random · 2024-05-07 03:20
What are some resources on money laundering? Ebooks, links to articles, etc. I know the laws are everchanging and vary between countries, but there must be universal guidelines and examples from which one can learn.
Otto Normalverbraucher · 2024-05-07 03:30
>Take dirty money
>Exchange for goods and services (Fence)
>Exchange goods and services for clean money
simple as
The specifics are what goods and services are used to exchange dirty money for clean money. Also bitcoin transactions can be traced and correlated with other activities, making it not technically as secret as people thought, even with wallets that are not linked to banks.
Tank · 2024-05-07 06:11
>>40618
>but there must be universal guidelines and examples from which one can learn
First rule of money laundering is to use something that has subjective value to a customer, therefore actual total value extracted from a set of transactions cannot be properly evaluated and/or tracked by a fiscal system of your country. Services (of any kind, whether it's going to be programming, dog grooming, literal laundromats or whatever comes to your mind) and collectible goods (yep, auction houses are here for that exact reason, they are just actually upper level laundromats) are your best choices, regular consumer goods are barely suitable for money laundering nowadays, especially since more and more digital tracking systems are implemented in different countries (such as TRAFIP in Argentina or Chestniy Znak in Russia, they're all part of a digital gulag, so not worthy to bother yourself with it thinking you can actually surpass it).
Second rule is not to be *very* greedy. One should do an analysis himself, depending on your method of choice, location, market etc., but tax hounds tend to smell quite well when numbers are way out of line with what should've been expected from a chosen business. Obviously, that works *both* ways, small (relative to business) numbers are the reason to doublecheck you just the same as unsually big numbers. Don't overexpand. Split your money into several business if needed.
Third rule is, international movement of money is a double-edged sword. On one side, it can increase the efficiency of laundering a lot, but when your money moves from one country to another, more eyes will look upon it. While other countries may not be concerned with your dirty deeds, what *every* government do not like is when an ordinary citizen tries to get some riches for himself without sharing it with them, and they will clearly help one another in catching launderers when possible, just for the sake of giving a warning to people to not fuarrrk with them.
Fourth, and final advice, is to check through a history of insurance frauds of last decades. While it's not directly connected to money laundering (although sometimes it is), there are plenty of practices one may find useful, especially if it happened *somewhere else* and it's not something that was ever mentioned in the news of your country or teached in your local law schools as an example of fraud.
Hououin Kyouma · 2024-05-07 12:28
I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to do that. Unless you robbed a bank or are part of a sting operation cash money isn't tracked.
SHODAN · 2024-05-07 13:03
>>40623
because many places decided to criminalize untracked money. Like eu plain said got a lot of untracked crypto? Looks criminal to us. Its ours now!
Agent Jones · 2024-05-07 13:32
>>40625
Not only that, but if you buy a car or a house, and your salary is way less than what would be enough to save up for the thing you bought, they can just take it as "wealth you could not account for"
fsociety · 2024-05-07 20:17
>>40621
Most people don't know the amount of financial surveillance that INTERPOL handles every day. It's the "dumb purchases" that normal people say rich people make that are easy ways to launder money. AI and other statistical tactics are used to detect abnormal incomes and flag them.
>>40625
This only happened because it was proving to be easy for people to launder money with untracked crypto, and then the classic "why would you not keep your money in a bank unless you have something to hide" mentality took over.
>buy million dollar yacht with bitcoin from selling rare pepes
>sell million dollar yacht for Euro
This also worked well for NFT artwork and digital real estate sales or "investments"
>>40626
This, I rented an apartment, and my landlord ran a background check on me, which he told me about, and apparently finance companies know more about my life than my family does. There are companies that literally rank you with a capitalist version of a social credit score based on your debt and income. I think my landlord felt intimidated because he tried to flex his "wealth" as a slumlord, but then found out that I actually make a lot more than he does being an autistic STEM user.
Nell · 2024-05-07 20:53
>>40629
>landlord
lol. when I try to do that and start to worry that I don't exist and might be running under a false identity.
Apoc · 2024-05-07 21:19
>>40625
Where though? Sure some cryptocurrency in some places but not paper and coinage as far as I am aware. Are there places you are required to have your personal information recorded when making purchases with physical money? I'm no expert but as far as I am aware you only run into problems with monitoring if you need to make purchases online because services like PayPal report directly to government entities or if you're dumb enough to use a credit card, debit card or a bank account transfer.
The Fin · 2024-05-07 23:07
>>40632
Here it is illegal to buy things above a certain amount with cash (1000€ iirc). Temporary residents are allowed to but need to have their identity recorded.
藤原純一 · 2024-05-08 02:06
>>40635
That should be a criminal act to deny people paying in cash. I get why they do it but it obviously would hurt homeless people and people of certain religious groups that it is against their views to use banks (not that i care about those religious groups just makes a convenient excuse)
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2024-05-08 02:58
Name some good forums/sites or the ones which you guys visit?
Jean Dupont · 2024-05-08 04:32
>>40629
>Most people don't know the amount of financial surveillance that INTERPOL handles every day.
Financial surveillance done by INTERPOL is mostly related to criminal activites which go beyond a single nation's borders, such as drug and ammo dealing, selling stolen antiquities, cybercrime etc. INTERPOL doesn't give a fuarrrk about money laundering per se, they only care about it on the basis that such laundering can lead to more serious crimes. That's way beyond INTERPOL level to bother with the guy who does five to six-figures laundering per year coming from tax evasion, that's too small of a deal for them, and also not an international crime.
Debbie Charteris · 2024-05-08 04:55
>>40641
They only care, because usually people who are laundering money are doing so with gains from illegal enterprises.
Most stupid wealthy people who earn their money "legally" just do tax evasion through loopholes, which is totally different then trying to get rid of the million dollars you earned selling fent in bulk or smuggling guns or rare exotic birds.
Generally loopholes involve donating to "charities" in your own name.
Yamaoto Toshi · 2024-05-08 07:19
Sell your dick pics to yourself for monero.
based schizo · 2024-05-08 08:59
>have dirty money
>make soykafty restaurant in middle of busy area (so to not look suspicious
>once a month, place large catering order
>any money you make from customers is a bonus
or you could just do tax evasion
based schizo · 2024-05-08 09:11
>>40637
4chan biz (trust me bro it's good we totally wont wage slave you soykafcoins ahahhahaha)
Motoko Kusanagi · 2024-05-08 13:07
>>40650
In the US at least, afaik, if the catering order is paid in cash, you are committing a felony if the amount is more than 10k and you do not immediately file a report to the IRS with SSN etc. of the person paying (yourself in this case? lol). You are also committing a felony if it looks like you are intentionally splitting up payments to stay under 10k to avoid the reporting requirement. So might not be really that simple.
Yu-ichi · 2024-05-08 15:11
>>40655
That responsibility is on the person who receives the money not who is paying it. Apparently it is only required to be reported if the payments of that amount fall within a 12 month period. So over 10,000 over 12 months doesnt have to be reported. Problem is that many companies over do their requirements and report even smaller transactions if they have your information which is why you should never use a credit card, debit card, or bank account transfer for anything you dont want to be known. But problem is if you do too good a job at hiding your purchases that too might bring attention to you so you have to make normal person purchases you dont mind being tracked in an easily traceable manner. It really is a bitch though. I'm not doing anything criminal, just want to not be watched all the time.
Cypher · 2024-05-08 18:02
>>40656
>That responsibility is on the person who receives the money
Which applies here, if you're trying to launder money, you would be receiving money from yourself, that's the idea
>just want to not be watched all the time
Same, hate feeling like people have control over me