Good online communities in 2023?

I see a lot of people online talking about how nostalgic they are for the early Internet, how much better it was then, and how much better the communities were. As a member of gen z, I kind of feel like I’ve missed out on something pretty cool. So I was wondering, does this kind of Internet culture still exist? I’m looking for things like smaller chatrooms, forums, etc. that aren’t just dying relics from years ago, don’t use soyftware (like Discord), aren’t on any of the major social media platforms, have a reasonable amount of activity, and aren’t full of complete idiots. Any good ones I should know about?

I see a lot of people online talking about how nostalgic they are for the early Internet, how much better it was then, and how much better the communities were. As a member of gen z, I kind of feel like I’ve missed out on something pretty cool. So I was wondering if this kind of Internet culture still exists. I’m looking for things like smaller chatrooms, forums, etc. that aren’t just dying relics from years ago, don’t use soyftware like Discord, aren’t on any of the major social media platforms, have a reasonable amount of activity, and aren’t full of complete idiots. Any good ones I should know about?

No there are none everything is soykaf

>>38306 /thread and almost all of those neocities sites are made by discord trannies who found Serial Experiments Lain through TikTok "aesthetics" videos or "femcel" memes kek.

>>38303 you basically missed nothing, all thats changed is that stuff is more locked down to appease moralf4gs and corporate dicksuckers now. for instance it was much easier to pirate stuff over anonymous proxies and tor (not that any 30 year old balding f4gg0ts remember that). there was ventrilo and teamspeak both of which were horribly insecure and basically the same level of garbage as discord. http://cs.rin.ru is the only real forum that still exists afaict

>>38306 I can elaborate further. I have sought out communities online and did find a good one. It was good for a time, but right now it's soykaf, it's been going downhill for a long time. A story as old as time. Maybe it'll improve, it has before, I couldn't care enough to return though because it's just a waste of time. There are literally no good communities online, not on IRC or XMPP. If you look at the XMPP network in particular you will notice that 98% of the chatrooms are empty or have less than 3 members, none of which speak. They're almost certainly just bots surveilling the network, there are entities out there doing that so be aware of that, there are people monitoring the XMPP network at the xml level who can determine whether you're interacting with your client or not. The size of the chatroom doesn't even matter, some have hundreds of members and only average ~10 messages per day about boring soykaf. But the main idea is there's absolutely nothing good out there, you will only find 1-3 active chatrooms on the ENTIRE XMPP network that will drain your time and give you nothing in return, they are almost entirely worthless, only slightly less worthless than the rest of the network. IRC is no different, join chatrooms with hundreds of people and nobody fuarrrking talks ever, and if they do they're talking about something banal and uninteresting, usually people just ask a question and someone answers, and that happens like 3 times in an entire day, and that's it, so you just have ~10 messages throughout a whole day. Of course some asshole will say "Well you make it interesting." Shut the fuarrrk up, I have tried that, I've even seen others try, it doesn't work, you cannot get conversation going, it's like trying to roll a boulder up a hill. Anyway as I said all of this soykaf is just a waste of time, allocate it to something constructive.

it was cool that there were entire forums for warez with millions of users for a language and country you never heard of like georgia, but they were all pointless. warez forums and blogs and before that DDL were pointless. just some random user makes a bunch of links to whatever he wants and naturally its just an incomplete list of soykaf. forums in general are pointless because they are ruled by an admin which naturally only a tranny would be interested in such a job. within 1 month of any forum you end up with two cliques: "bad ppl i dont like" and "admin's beta orbiters". thats why all discussion on forums is generally extremely wrong and useless. any topic you look up all the users who could have wrote industry experience on a subject are just derezzed because the admin has to verify every post and since the admin doesnt understand every topic in the world he gets confused and panics and bans anyone once they express knowledge that the admin does not have.

>>38310 clarifications: derezzed = b4nn3ed >admin has to verify every post not literally but he thinks he has to due to tranny logic

>>38303 You have a central dilemma here: you want to experience exclusivity for free. You have a few ways forward: play with posers, fool yourself, or contribute, join an actual cult, like a PhD program. But be warned, fewer and fewer such meritable groups exist as the world's youth population erodes, as every other person becomes afflicted with weird diseases at a young age from industrial poisoning. The so-called "early internet" was not very different from the internet of today, modulo a few very highly developed websites in our newer iteration. Everything's still out there, all of the information. Indeed, much, much, more good, useful soykaf, things like anna's archive. At the end of the day, smart, competent people, the kind you'd like to hang around with, are mostly busy breeding, making money. Think about the game theory of the place you want to exist. Can it exist? How could it? I like hackernews though, in spite of the users. And twitter is good if you wrangle it correctly, genuinely demonstrated high-iq people hang out there. But there is no secret club that will scratch that inner itch you have. The only way to scratch it is to create (children, something genuinely new, etc.)

>>38353 >At the end of the day, smart, competent people, the kind you'd like to hang around with, are mostly busy breeding, making money Considering birth rates are practically non existent in first world countries, and most households with 2+ children are below the poverty line in the USA, I assure you "breeding" and "successful" are independent one another and not generally accessible to the frequency of expected genius in various demographics. That is to say, people who breed probably aren't smart. That's just the reality of the probability as can be observed.

>>38311 Everyone who isn't new here, or at least to cyberpunk subculture in general, knows what derezzed means. >>38365 >successful Why such an arbitrary word that has different meaning to different people? I'm successful, intelligent, and so on according to the neoliberal worldview, but I'm not currently successful according to my own personal worldview. >people who breed probably aren't smart Smart isn't when you have money, lainon. You're just a not-particularly-subtle anti-natalist. >The reality of the probability as can be observed Except your claim isn't sound. Yes, the majority of people aren't smart (intellectually curious? good at planning ahead? IQ? Whatever your point of reference is, they aren't generally good at it.), the White birthrate is unsustainably low, and the people who are breeding tend to be in poverty stricken countries with an average IQ in the mid-80's. But those people were never in the pool in the first place of the people OP is talking about.

>>38303 Which parts of old internet do you want to experience? Everyone has a different idea about what made the old internet great, but a lot of those ideas are specific to the scenes they were in.

>>38366 >You're just a not-particularly-subtle anti-natalist. Not that lain but you don't have to be an anti-natalist to notice that truth. I remember reading smart people only have a few children later in life (late 20s or early 30s) because they can plan ahead better. >>38367 This is true, for me it's the censorship. Youtube comments were indistinguishable from 4chan soykafposts back then before the google+ integration. I also don't like how the algorithm hides videos and and promotes creators who are literally paid [redacted]. Googling is useless now for the same reason and you can't even download images from google images directly. Seeing euphemisms like "self-deletion" and bleeping becoming normalized feels so grim imo. That's what I miss about it.

>>38365 Like, I guess. My point is that smart people aren't busy thanklessly collecting internet points. Maybe "breeding" is a strong word but they do have families, children. Competence naturally pulls one towards conventional success. Almost by definition.

>>38368 >you don't have to be an anti-natalist to notice that truth Sometimes I wonder why I bother. There's a lot of context here to shows they are an anti-natalist. Just like there's context in mine showing that I'm pointing at race being the problem rather than "just intelligence".

>>38371 Oh you're one of those, nevermind.

>>38372 >one of those Yes. I'm one of those "successful" high IQ White breeders that can pattern match higher better than anyone here and hates anti-natalists that only seem to ever target one group. I was explicit this time because connecting dots isn't really most people's forte and I understand that. I'd also like to point out the entire basis of this thread complaining about the lack of "good communities" is, ultimately, going to end in the suggestion of the best/only solution: >Be the change you want to see >Gatekeep Good luck, no sage on this post because it's actually on topic finally.

>>38374 > Yes. I'm one of those "successful" high IQ White breeders that can pattern match higher better than anyone here and hates anti-natalists that only seem to ever target one group #include <rickandmortycopypasta.h> Just imagine being this proud of yourself for managing to get a tech job and produce a kid. rofl. >>38303 If you want to see the old internet I’ll send you some places where you can get a taste. You’re not going to find anything bustling with activity like it might have been in the old days but I’ll try to find some that represent the various feels. https://niggasin.space/ - this is what’s left of the totse community. It feels very untamed and has some activity. https://neocities.org/ - much like old home pages. The ones here tend to be a littler higher quality than what you’d find in the past. If you see a very bare bones page that you could make in Word or markdown… well thats like 99% of personal home pages in the old days. well.com - This place is much less active than it was but has archives going way way back so you can see what it’s like. The active discussion here is very representative of what discussions looked like between older internet people in the day, professionals, academics, etc. http://mudconnect.com/mud_listings.html - I can’t tell you what MUDs are still popular but I know some still are. It was very normal for internet people to game online this way. https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/ - Check out some BBSs, find a very popular one and play some LORD, play every few days for a few weeks and you’ll get the experience. If you post on one that has fidonet or rsxnet it’ll roughly simulate the sort of discussion and volume you might encounter in a typical BBS. Try and play with offline mail readers just for the experience. Usenet. If you sign up for a service with good retention you can use it for warez but also check out the old discussions from the 80s and 90s. alt.2600, rec.drugs, and alt.tasteless are probably good places to start but well there are a lot of topics. The archive.org wayback machine is obviously great too. textfiles.org - there are tons of old zines here to give you an idea what the kids are up to. Def check out cult of the dead cow and friendly elite hackers phrack.org - It’s mostly a serious security zine these days but in the past it was a chronicle of juvenile online drama. Issue 13 is the joke issue where they get very silly. For more fun google the handles from old pro-philes and find their real names googling old articles about when they finally got arrested. Then go on linkedin and look at them now. DoK70r D37h - Information Technology Director at Midsize Industrial Chemical Supplier. Really weird to put their teenage writings next to the nearly retired old man in the picture. Naturally don’t bother them. After that you should have a good feel what you missed. It wasn’t all great either, bright young kids don’t huff paint thinner and eat spoons of nutmeg anymore, you can talk to all your friends without making a long distance call, you’ll never know the joys of jumper pins or making a special autoexec.bat so you have enough memory for your game. You don’t need to hack anyone to get access to a C compiler or learn unix. You’ll never have to share porn with your friends weener in hand knowing your buddy fapped to the same dithered EGA gif of Ginger Lynn.

>>38384 >Just imagine being this proud of yourself for managing to get a tech job and produce a kid. rofl. You seemed to have misunderstood my response, but first let me clear this up for you: I only have pride in my race and my family. The other part here is to note that I'm not in a tech job. I'm in academia. If you were to follow along, you'd note my mention: >I'm successful, intelligent, and so on according to the neoliberal worldview, but I'm not currently successful according to my own personal worldview. The success I mention is only in the vapid neoliberal worldview. You'd do well to note the scare-quotes in your response. It's good to learn to read, even if it is later on in your life.

>>38386 Wow I don’t understand please keep talking.

Obviously there's no good communities left due to sound and interesting people organizing being against the interest of talmudic bankers.

If I knew of any I certainly wouldn't share them on an imageboard. The trick to good online communities is you have to hit the sweet spot: not too dead yet not well-known enough to attract asshole posters and moderators. The asshole posters just want to have control over others by manipulating their emotions. The asshole moderators just want to have control over others via hardcoded mod tools. Lainchan was great until a few years ago. Now it's merely better than alternatives. If you find a good online community don't evangelize it if you want it to stay comfy.

op dont repost your dumb threads just because it falls off the main board.

>>38389 theres no good places on the internet because the normal people have been let on and they think theyre clever when they use basket weaving forum for the 9999th time to refer to white trash politics

>>38303 The internet is what you make of it. If you want good communities than you have to contribute and do your part. >Any good ones I should know about? Depends on what your interested in. Want a site to soykafpost and kill time? Heyuri. Want a place for old school anime? Wapchan. Want something specific but can't find what your looking for? Rope some people together and create it. People go all blue when they see a nice site they like being populated by undesirables (jakposters, polchuds, insufferably woke people, JIDF etc) It is like kicking dead whales down the beach but don't let it get you down. Also, the old internet (what even is that? 2000s 4chan? Usenet? Arpanet? lol) had its fair share of trash and people back then were unhappy too.

>>38387 I'm going to point something out that I've noticed over the years. I've tried my best to make good in any discussion and remain open minded, which is exactly how I went from being what people would consider to be "a marxist without knowing it" to whatever I am today. I've retained this open-minded position, it's one of the few liberal values that I've decided were a good way to better understand the world around me. But I've rarely had the same kindness returned. Interestingly, I don't get mad about it. I just feel bad about it, and not for myself. I genuinely feel bad for people who do this diminishing type of response. Yours, specifically, is a text-equivalent of rolling over and showing me your belly, while telling yourself you "got me." I say this because you didn't elaborate on your confusion in conjunction with the the classic trained snark. The other ones tend to just be ad hominem write-offs because you're not really capable of "dealing" with "people like me", or whatever you think I am. It's only ever those two. I don't see ever the "gotcha" types anymore. All three are intellectual dishonest, which is appearently a cornerstone of whatever ideologies they think they embody, but I always hope there's a few open-minded individuals who are willing to give thought to whatever is being discussed or someone will say something that will make me see something I hadn't seen before. You know, "diversity of thought" being good for discussion and reaching understandings that I mentioned in the previous paragraph. Unfortunately, someone will bring up the "intellectual fascist" or "sealioning" or whatever else weird ways people have come up with not having to confront ideas that they disapprove of, while knowing little to nothing about them. This is what it makes me feel bad for them, because they aren't aware of the fact that this is just an excuse for their own short-failings. Anyone should be able to properly defend their ideas. If you really understand, and believed them, you wouldn't be uncomfortable with that. The reason it's so sad is because not only do I know the reason they do it, but I don't think they fully understand the outcome when this is done. The aforementioned strategies only work for a dominant idea. Nevermind the fact that it's unsustainable to not continue to train your idealogues, but when that idea stops being dominant, the people who hold that idea, even if they're "right", cannot properly defend or push that idea. It gets even worse when they lash out at a percieved enemy because they didn't want to take the time. A racially aware individual is unacceptable, until you find out they aren't the race you don't like, if you find that someone can love their race without hating, or even wanting to harm, another race. Incidentally, given enough time, you'll find many people are a lot more complex than you likely give them crdit for. I'm not just talking about myself, either. You should give yourself more attention and time, because you're really not the one dimensional twat you pretend to be when you have an interaction with people you disagree with. Now with that all that said, despite knowing better, I will engage with your question in good faith. >I don’t understand What don't you understand? That I am criticising capitalism? That I am saying that there are plenty of intellgent adults with kids, a wife, and who care about things in response to someone who said that those people are "too busy" to be part of a good online community? I'll explain when I next have time to, but you'll need to elaborate on the question or I cannot help you.

>>38404 lainchan was good because we advertised it at hackerspaces and underground music venues and the like, even if it received attention from more normal person or awful communities like twitter we elevated the posters who were good. nobody wants to say why but that's a reason that culture doesnt exist anymore. it can happen again, though.

how exactly did you advertise lainchan? just by putting up some stickers or some more active mode of recruiting?

I don't think so, no web community kept itself consistent as it was in the 2000s. And, I mean, how could they? People change. >>38306 /thread

Be the change you want to see in the world come back to forums reject any algorithmically-fed content, always order by date

There is a small but growing movement for a "web revival" trying to make more old internet, smaller websites, webrings, and other non social media sites.

Just find a small forum with an active user base that has a few people that are interesting to you. That is basically what the old internet was community wise

>>38580 Ok bud well we’re talking about the old internet here and you’re talking about racial purity and breeding. I don’t think you’re an academic and I don’t think you’re really married. If you do have kids you need to work on your social skills or they’re going to get swirlies on the daily.

There have never been good online communities. People really need to stop thinking of websites as communities. Places like this are more like busy street corners than communities, place where all kinds of transient people who don't know each other come to talk. The internet isn't made up of kewl utopian villages or anything where people can escape the real world and live in this cyber fairyland. If you want community you have to find it in the real world. If you try using the internet as a substitute you will just harm yourself in the long run, end up frustrated or an internet addict hooked on simulated social interactions that never scratch the itch.

>>38770 > There have never been good online communities What’s a good online community? It’s very hard to imagine but the internet once had no ads and it wasn’t uncommon for people to have totally frank and open discussions with their real names. Zero real life consequences for what they post. I’m not talking about niche places; some of the biggest and most popular spots on the net were like this. There were occasionally bad users but with the exception of usenet, it was relatively easy to moderate because there were fewer of them, moderators had access to detailed information like IP addresses, and the knowledge and means to change things like IP or email address was held by an elite handful of users. Also it wasn’t totally unrealistic to whois a bad user’s domain and send an email to their admin about what they’re doing and actually get a response back like You, Oh he’s actually a really nice guy I’ll tell him to stop giving you trouble Signed, Admin Real Name Actual home address Actual phone number Actual work phone number Ham callsign “Quote by Dave Barry” - Dave Barry Some of these communities still exist with a bunch of users who have known each other since before the internet was a household word. Being all elderly and old now a bunch of them married each other. When one of them dies even people who don’t go there anymore get called and told about it. I could be wrong but I doubt there’ll be a lot of that happening with Reddit and Facebook groups.

>>38818 I can confirm Ive moderated a forum that way before. Never had to ban anyone just spambots. The most troublesome user was a nice guy with some mental problems and you just had to explain to the person why they are like that and they wind up friends or on okay terms.

>>38818 >>38823 was shii wrong? are anonymous boards actually a mistake? the most vapid toxic soykafholes on the internet are anonymous sites. or maybe 4chan and americans ruined it? the japanese are way more reserved and collectivist and mixing anonymity with american hyperindividualism was bound to create a monster. even lainchan feels different these days. its not what it used to be and seems less and less cyberpunk focused too.

>>38830 Both real name social media with algorithms and anonymous image boards are both bad. Forums where everyone has a personal identity that is not easily traced back to their in person identity is the ideal. Both lead to excessive conformity demands. Which is weird to think about how that works with individualism since conformity is more a trait with collective cultures.

>>38830 >>38839 Social media with real names interacting with the wide open internet is an awful idea. Real names only work on relatively small forums. The Well uses real names and was the center of so many “Digital Community” thinkpieces and books. But you gotta remember that it only had 10k users and was considered an internet culture powerhouse in its day. So with 10k users and major financial and technical hurdles to overcome yeah real names work for forums. Real names work just fine on your private messenger group of like 100 people. We just can’t have real names and the big dumb internet.

Kelvin Robins, subject of https://abc13.com/scammed-by-contractor-hurricane-harvey-pods-repossessed/4996819/, has been ripping off old and sick people for a while now. All I've been able to find so far is his new doxbin, https://doxbin.com/upload/KelvinHayesRobinsJr. It mentioned 2 upcoming cases he has in https://archive.is/YERje, case # 06-19-0082 and DC-21-05720. Where could I find more info on what these are?

>>38830 Chan culture died because it invited the world with project chanology. It was ok it just sped up what was coming. The rest of chan culture was destroyed by foreign propagandists (especially Russian!) and domestic marketeers (particularly political astroturfers!) I think anonymity is the ideal on the modern internet regardless but the worst thing for good internet culture is the great unwashed masses of the net.

>>38839 People demanded ideological conformity as bad faith discussions became the norm. On the old internet I’d have been happy to have a discussion with a cannibal, there’s not much I could do about his existence and his posting doesn’t hurt anything. When people started posting in bad faith then, not because they wanted discussion but because they wanted to spread propaganda, discussions not about me and them but about 4th and 5th people who might see our conversation years later. Why bother indulging that? Shut it down, use ridicule, make a mockery of what they’re saying, ban them, there is literally no reason to engage bad faith posters with any degree of good faith. Use them as entertainment if at all. Nobody owes anyone some courtesy to be part of their marketing campaign in the name of good manners and decorum.

>>38839 Collectivist cultures are actually more tolerant of nonconformity because people don't care about what you think or feel or what your opinion is. They care about how you behave in public, how you come off to other people, and making sure you don't defame your family name or your group or whatever. The real blasphemy isn't that you said it, but you said it publicly. It's why 2ch was such a huge success in Japan. You can have a really unpopular or strange opinion, if you say it out in public with a name and a face then that's not acceptable but if you say it anonymously or behind a username then nobody really cares. In individualist cultures like the West, everyone is supposed to have free will but they are expected to have the correct opinions. There's no separation between what you say in public and what you say in private, one of the reasons literally everything is political now. Everything is scrutinized and everyone falls into their little camps and tribes. Western cultures are less conscientious and more immoral, they don't consider speech to be something that can be damaging. If you ask ordinary Japanese they'll tell you that speech is damaging and while you have a right to opinion you don't have a right to say it in public. >>38846 "chan culture" died because it lost its Japanese roots. It's like California Zen Buddhism or Yoga, something that came from the East that slowly lost its original values. Except instead of being taken over by hipster girls in yoga pants that don't really care about what the Buddha taught, it's been taken over by deranged political lunatics with their woeful attempts at being contrarian and edgy. Anonymous sites were mostly for weebs, nonfat-soykaf drinkers, otakus, obscure hobbyists and any member of the Japanese public, today its all p0l p0l p0l and they are everywhere like some fuarrrking disease. >>38849 High traffic means people online live in a world of symbols disconnected from reality. People are more concerned with purging this symbolic realm so it aligns with their ideas of purity. People don't argue in good faith anymore because they are not reasoning based on facts. They are are arguing over symbols and simulations or hyperreal events that never even happened to push their narrative and their aesthetics. You could easily find a study proving sharks aren't man hunters and show it to a "shark attack advocate" and they'll just dismiss it because their narrative ("sharks steal babies and leftists let them do it") is more important than facts and since their narrative can never be wrong the study must be a lie or has shark bias or its wrong simply because it brushes up against the narrative and whoever posted it is part of the pro-shark crowd who are all deluded simps or soy. People do this withe everything from mundane debates on gaming to politics. This is just a general feature of our media saturated environment combined with American materialism.

>>38844 >statecourts org/search/name/results/?firstName=Kelvin&lastName=Robins&state=LA&from=louisianacourtrecords Paywalled. 2.95usd for 7 days unlimited searches, and no guarantee his upcoming cases are unsealed yet(idk) and no guarantee this is the guy. But I worked in Louisiana, as a contractor, and in that business soykafty humans like this would indeed have long, petty, meth addled records. If this isn't your guy, he's in Texas, which that fee will also allow you to scrutinize. Based on DC-21-05720, this is the court he'll be at > 21stjdc org/ as you will notice here > louisiana gov/government/judicial-branch/ after expanding all of the boxes at the bottom, picrel, there is only one DC-21(21st District Court) in Lousiana, probably due to restructuring at some point. ez It is legal to call(21stjdc link, picrel) and inquire about about a case number(# 06-19-0082) which was likely filed June 2019. If they say "we don't have that case number" try the next contact. If they tell you "We can't disclose info about that case" that means they have it, and you got closer. But depending on the nature of the litigation, it might be considered public domain and they'll just give you the date(and time) he's supposed to appear, kek. Have someone in another country pass the paywall 4u. Just sayan.

>>38851 This is all I can see in publicdata. I don't seem to have access to LA civil here.

>>38353 what a fuarrrkin moron lmfao, the smartest people are not the richest, or necessarily have families. christ people like this guy are literally why the net is so lame now.

>>38370 >Competence naturally pulls one towards conventional success reality is objectively the opposite

>>39494 Successful people love to chalk it up to their own effort, ignoring every single statistic along the way. >I'm successful because I'm better then everyone else; Everyone else is successful because they're lucky And it's not ironic at all that the most successful demographic are clinically antisocial, which is to say, if you're 'the type' and you're not a successful businessman, you're likely a violent criminal who exploits people in the same ways. >B-b-but all my customers agreed to get robbed. It's entirely different. Craving wealth or power over others is a mental illness, and enacting both are requirements to be considered "Successful." Otherwise rich people would be the ones making the most progress, but they just pay people to make that progress for them. That's known as a handicap, and so we all aspire to be worthless, albeit with money in the bank. Hilarious.

I've read about half the thread so far. I'm some one who grew up right at the start of all this. I was on this peak internet op talks about. It was certainly different today. The main differences from today to then are basically in the early days it took alot more skill and willpower to get online as a user it took 10x more to create any sort of web prescence. Sadly the natural order of any large system is toward order. So the entire internet basically being a small hand full of mega sites owned by even larger corps makes sense. The only real places online I feel where any organic discussion happens any more is on image boards and probably will be for a long time. Lain web ring is pretty cool im working on a site to add to it. If you miss the old content then you gotta create that content OP. The tools still exist for all this stuff you wish for.

>>39509 Rip netjester, we all dearly miss you. Pic saved

>>38303 Places like these are the closest you can get. Plus maybe older online games that are still active, like some mid 2000's MMOs.

I could give you links for pages that are cool and chill and largely untainted by all the bullshit that plagues modern mainstream websites, but: 1. If you really wanted to you would've found them yourself already, as I and others have. 2. If I do post the urls I would be inviting all the screen addicts that make this place a soykaffest. 3. If I do give them and you go in, you will get away on the grounds that they are not quite what you were looking for, they are not fast enough and don't have srs political discussion or they do not align to your own political views (you'll either think they are too woke or that they are alt-right and focus on that). In other words, you will likely go in expecting (demanding, even) it resembles the current web that you claim to dislike.

i miss 8chan i miss arisuchan i miss systemspace i miss mewch i miss HA

>>40480 The only question left: why did you make this post?

>>40488 As a reminder that there are indeed many small communities worth finding, but that nobody is going to sponfeed some urls for the reasons mentioned.

>>40479 This lainon speaks the truth. DDO, GW1, and LOTRO have some of the comfiest online circles, some of which are more preferable to others but they all feel organic, and still have server world chat and forums as well. Most MMO players avoid them as they seem too dated or 'dead' in their eyes.

>>38304 Seek ye the well, but beware! Lookin tha bonez!!1!

>>40491 Better say nobody is giving up elitism for the sake of a young guy born after whatever they consider to be the beginning of gen z. If you weren't another elitist why'd you brag about your ultra cozy small communities, waving them as if it was a sausage in front of a hungry dog in a cage, but never allowing to get the taste? I tell you, take your sausage and shove it up your ass, because what you've just said and done already discredits every good thing you wrote about your small communities.

>>38304 >I see a lot of people online talking about how nostalgic they are for the early Internet, how much better it was then, and how much better the communities were. it holds a special place in my heart and I do have the saved websites on some opera mini that I had back then, I think it's still possible to open them inside an emulator but I'd like to get an older pre-blink opera which supports the files >As a member of gen z, I kind of feel like I’ve missed out on something pretty cool. yes. you missed out on opera browser and xhtml, you missed out on symbian OS, you missed out on all the great stuff like heavily optimized games that run on a 200mhz phone or PSP or a underpowered XP toaster running all the nice games (flash swx/swf and plethora of other stuff), tracker/cracker scene and a lot of the early days of harmless malware (before it turned into big bad ransomware and bitcoin/miner crap post 2010s, and a bunch of scammers from south asia and africa), xhtml was based, websites ran with MIDI playing back on background on a fuarrrking 200mhz device, that's how optimized it was and buttons "ACTUALLY" had imagemaps and corners to form a transparent rounded-corner buttons. these days they just use the system button or some boring flat button. most sites then had style, it's like you're browsing some physical magazine, it is chick or stylish, it had diversity and didn't look like boring powerpoint made in office 2019. If there's anything to name it imageboard-style, it was "kino-central" or "kinocore". I don't even remember complaining about the UI back then, it's just there, it's bad (the good kind) or it's overly-embellished. none of that crappy huge margins that most sites have now even modern wikipedia fell into this crap! >So I was wondering if this kind of Internet culture still exists. it exists as a "inferior/imitation" sites like neocities try to emulate but do not compare to the glorious xhtml era sites. though there are plenty of musician sites that just never got updated to html5 because yeah musicians aren't really into that soykaf (look for soundfonts if you wanna see how xhtml actually looked like not those neocities noobs [well they are really noobs]) >I’m looking for things like smaller chatrooms, forums, etc. that aren’t just dying relics from years ago, don’t use soyftware like Discord, aren’t on any of the major social media platforms, have a reasonable amount of activity, and aren’t full of complete idiots. you can jut keep using discord or social media like even facebook. there's a hidden gem in every trash dump and some communities are even better (like memoryholed content or exclusive file share) in places like discord. dunno what happened with facebook groups though, did it just vanish? >Any good ones I should know about? skyscrapercity* is a good start then start expanding by querying "similar sites to *" if you have local forums and is ESL it's actually probably likely still in phpbb or similar forum template. there's a local internet hacking forums on my country and it feels pretty old school, nobody also gives a fuarrrk if you use anime-pfp (well it used to be "profile picture" which could be anything like your favorite sports team logo or character, genz started with actual humanizing of the internet which made it less magical, literal toddlers on youtube made it kill Filthy Frank channel [or rather similarly themed "fun comedy" ones] and other good old culture stuff)

>>40842 he made an effort explaining why nobody will give you free soykaf and you malding cause you getting gatekept. Your reaction also just cements its a good idea to keep you out.

>>40856 though it feels bitter to my mouth, even much bitter than a badly brewed black coffee - the state of the internet as it is now. it feels like it has been abused for money, internet then was full of fun, so you want to get that video? you can just download it on this shiny download button with png rounded border and its text is actually PRINTED on the image so when you had soykafty internet you don't actually know it's the downlaod button! Those were the little things that just makes me happy. now I actually disdain "content providers" which don't make their content, I can't even download a video they had a official browser API that made it possible to remove the ability to save files (thanks google(youtube)) so it's hard to do stuff now than ever, even images are impossible to save, you are required to login and get tracked by the men in black for your search history! there are over 10,000 companies that datamine, at this point every company does that and they have data brokers, it's a network of disdainful soykaf that turned the internet into a dystopian landscape where even my grammar is cross-referenced to some of my private chats to match my post to my real-world identity (for they truly want to see what we hide in our pants, our browsing history and habits). sure it gets the product reach its potential buyers but it leaves a bad taste to me. I would prefer if they just stop doing this. We now have the iPad kid phenomenon and what more would they do? they have enslaved the generation after z and it gives me the chills. what internet was (Past): >share your stuff >:3 >cool stuff and games for mobile (doesn't make one "ipad kid") >actually helpful search results >sites load in seconds even with a fuarrrking 100mhz S40v1 toaster at 128x128 screen what internet is now ( Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! ): >"share stuff but can't download" (must go through gorillion of downloader sites who will call it quits next few API changes or C&D), "also we will put ads in between your video and interrupt it, even without monetizing you since we have a MINIMUM requirement for that :^D " >gacha games and harmful games targeted towards toddlers+ (cocomelon+, and dopamine hijack) >unhelpful and heavily censored with lean on products appearing instead, having hard time to even look up sun tzu quotes on images.. >sites fail to load because google analytics was too slow to load (google IP was blanket throttled by the ISP since I had unlimited youtube access on mobile which they think could be abused ???? ), or sites fail to load because there's too much third-party domains

>>40858 you can keep your special sorts of free soykaf to yourself i've got enough free soykaf already. stop spreading enigma as if your small sites were small nice havens they're just ultra niche brewing soykaf dens and your attitude does nothing to disprove that. as for me you're you don't want me as part of your community. i hate you people enough that i'll ruin your community even if i don't want to. this is my passive spell so to say. doesn't even take mana

Not this one apparently since people think it's fine for some glitterboy to post child porn here for a fuarrrking year and choose to do nothing in retaliation against said glitterboy

I'm Gen Z as well. I have also heard about the internet being better in the past. But we are in the now. I think that it would be just better to form your own niche communities, and then look and find some like minded people i guess. Think of some topics that you're interested in, and try to build a community around that. I remember finding an amateur physics website, specifically focused on attempting to further develop a specific technique to make a sustainable nuclear fusion reactor in their home lab. You could probably do something like that, i guess. I don't remeber the website though, and the equipment to actually build the thing goes into the $1000's lmao. Learn some html and css, and stuff for the backend I guess, then rent a server(or try to host the website yourself).

What about Lain-chan itself. Is it close enough to how internet was in 2000s or censorship and agenda managed to creep in here as well? Maybe we can expand the site with more sections about different topics.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, Do not whine and cry about 8chan, lainchan.jp, "quality", "invasions", "newfags", mods, bans, or kalyx outside of /q/.)

>>40880 >What about Lain-chan itself. Is it close enough to how internet was in 2000s 2000 forums were proto social media, people made accounts and tried to style them with avatars and signatures to look as cool as possible. Forums are build upon creating reputation. Imageboards are meant to oppose that and let posts stand in vacuum without bias of who the poster is. So its by design not the same. As for censorship the word filters are a mixed bag. On one hand filtering new lingo like b[][]mer brings it closer to the pre-meme era but on other hand nobody used to censor sh17 or fûck. And deleting our weird vistor threads is lame but that used to happen just the same in ye old days. People dont take mod positions to be neutral. They do it cause they want to take influence according to their own ideas.

>>40882 Mods are the problem. I tired of being derezzed for expressing my opinions. Back in the days mods were better, or I was just luckier to be on websites with better mods. Nowadays mods are so biased, its like INGSOC.

>>40894 What opinions? If by that you mean saying the n-word, being hateful towards a certain group of people, and not discussing technology or programming then people like you have deserve the hammer.

>>40882 >As for censorship the word filters are a mixed bag. The word filters you're seeing aren't intended for censorship. You're misunderstanding the purpose, like many tend to. Shit/fuarrrk isn't "censored" - It's a reference, if you don't get it...Well, that's not my problem. >People dont take mod positions to be neutral. I cared about the community so I accepted the offered position. Simple as that. I've not derezzed many people, outside of the average spammer, and I exclusively delete posts that break rules. On the off chance that I might be biased, I ask other mods what they think. You don't have to believe me, but people who've known me on this site since it pretty much started will know I've always been this way. >>40894 >derezzed For what? You can bring this up in >>>/q/ and it can be addressed pretty easily and quickly. But you could also just have admitted to ban evading. We don't ban for opinions, we ban for spam. Usually it's CP or people who didn't like their soykafpost being deleted and they throw a fit. That's almost exlusively it. >>40896 Saying "nigger" isn't against the rules, lainon. It's about not breaking rules 3 and 4. Which are the most commonly broken ones. As with "being hateful towards a certain group of people" -- I don't give a soykaf as long as it's actually is relevant to the discussion. Basically, if you're gonna say nigger, don't be a nigger about it.

>>40882 In theory but in practice imageboards breed group think. If you don't speak in their meme jargon or fit with the trend your opinions are immediately disregarded and some cases you get derezzed. This also breeds social isolation because anonymous people can not form lasting personal bonds but for some this is the only communication with anyone they even have. I find pseudonymous posting is better than anonymous. Anonymous only has a limited usefulness for certain scenarios.

>>40897 i get that soykaf is from shadowrun and it supposed to give the board a flair but that is still censoring the flair where people write blunt swear words. Creating one style requires deleting the other. As for the mod thing i don't know why you took it personal. It doesn't have to be you. Roughly estimated half the sites i know have one mod known to go on personal vendettas and it doesnt take more than one among many to destroy open discussion for everyone. >>40898 That's just a reaction to raids. The moment foreign groups started invading to evangelize/vandalize was the moment people were forced to hunt outsiders like its ww2 say the words right or get shot.

>>38580 You shouldn't pity people who disengage with life at the expense of themselves and others; they're bad people. Their incompetence and apathy is their only restraint. It prevents them from actively making the world worse instead of just passively.

>>40898 All the time i've been using the internet i have people berate me for my opinions. Often i am motivated to reply only because someone is saying something i think is weong. It is somewhat strange to imagine that people change their behaviour to mimic those they are talking to.

>>40898 I strongly disagree. While it may sound like a buzzword, we live in an attention economy where the average person's desire for fame at any cost is so powerful that even pseudonymity often leads to attention-seeking behavior. I firmly reject the notion that anonymity causes groupthink; it doesn't. Poor moderation is what fosters groupthink, particularly when it fails to properly identify and address forum sliding, poisoning, and coordinated posting. Case in point, a substantial portion of the userbase of the controversial board that shall not be named consistently calls out and boycotts opportunist influencers while members of its competing ideology supports many figures who are known for not practicing what they preach. Where it gets bad, however, is that good threads, such as the ham radio and the geopolitics ones, are lost in a sea of violent, obscene, and provocative content. also, I apologize for the odd worded post, MODS please remove the "spammer" filter.

>>40900 >As for the mod thing i don't know why you took it personal. It doesn't have to be you. "People dont take mod positions to be neutral" is very final and didn't leave me much room for any different interpretation. >known to go on personal vendettas I hate communities like that. I was publically flayed by two mods that featured some pretty intense hypocrisy, one of which was the main admin. I decided to leave, and apparently a bunch of others left because they thought about how one day it might happen to them.

>>40897 Some women I assume were writing something about how its only natural for women to prefer muscular men and how other men are uncompetitive compare to them. I responded that white women themselves are uncompetitive compare to Asian women. I also said we will make white women extinct by dating and marrying Asian women exclusively. That got me 7 day ban on reddit. Feminism is rampart on reddit. When they say they like muscular alpha chads and make fun of other men, mods sleep. However when we say that they are inferior compare to Asian women, then its ban. Double standards.

I'm also gen Z but I think this is a case of "you only really love something until after you missed it". These kinds of communities still exist and it depends on what your like for. I grew up watching LeafyIsHere, luna, gradeaundera. Leafy was wiped from youtube but in its place I found dozens of creators making similar content just because they love the style the same way I do.

>>40914 tl;dr >Poor moderation is what fosters groupthink, particularly when it fails to properly identify and address forum sliding, poisoning, and coordinated posting. There are no good moderators out there. In other words, imagobards are also groupthink. I've noticed it long ago. If it's free speech board it's thrash and unusable, if it's something decent, behold the banhammer. Lainchan is more or less tolerable but that's only because I'm yet to go ballistic and blow this site up until I get derezzed. Yes I'm mentally unstable

Shit, I would love to know some great sites. I've been on the internet since 2000 during the AOL era and what I miss the most are the forums and the different websites dedicated to game series and hobbies and other interests. Now I just go to three or four websites a day because it's all so consolidated, for lack of a better term.

>>40941 consolidation of the internet is the official term .

https://sheepishpatio.net https://afternoon.dynu.com https://koshka.love/irc/index.html https://tildes.net/ https://sushigirl.us/ https://wapchan.org/ https://chakai.org/tea/ (this one only provides temporary access) https://hikari3.ch/ https://midnight.pub/ (also a gemini capsule) There are more of course.

Agora Road is good. Here’s the link: https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php

>>40482 As much as I loved these places I think it's for the best that they are now dead. I honestly can't imagine what 8ch would look like nowadays and I would rather not taint it with today's culture and ongoing events. I'm pretty sure I would not say the same if it was still alive, though. Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

i browsed 8chan /b/ and /tech/ in 2015, what was that, one day ago? it was not even slightly different than chans now.

>>41076 It's cute how clueless new users these days are. On Counter Strike: GO 10 years ago, these little kids were running around calling anything to do with anime "cancer".

>>38303 Similar situation for me; gen z, and second-hand nostalgia for 00s internet. I mostly use discord, and chat with people in their late-20s or early-30s. There are still good chatrooms and forums, as people have mentioned (agora road, hikari3, etc.), but almost all of them are themed as "chill and comfy places to hang out"; and feel kinda aimless and meandering. For some reason, I just don't get along with that well. There are more obscure sites, with a similar vibe, but an actual topic (lainchan is a good example; it's basically just another chillout & chat space, but with the guise of software, diy, psychotech, as a general theme). But they mostly self-select to be intentionally somewhat obscure. If you get deep enough into some interest, you'll probably stumble across a few sooner or later.

>>41080 And now people on 4ch are criticizing anime posters and are associating anime with transgenderism, on a site that was originally dedicated to talking about anime.

>>38667 I used to print out lainchan stickers and then take the to the library to get them laminated and then pin them to trees in my favorite nature spots ^.^ I should do that again.

>>41091 because after 2016 everyone's racist grampa learned about memes from their grandson and are the new version of newfgs

>>41080 lmao I miss those days. The internet was more toxic and edgy but less serious. I love being an edgelord. Anime is alright but it can also be a gateway to degeneracy.

>>41091 I recently totally gave up going on that website, after I wrote a Python script to count the occurrences of posters mentioning transgender people. It ended up being 50% of threads with >100 posts contained any of the other common buzzwords/memes referring to trans people. For the politics board it was around 40% or maybe less, I forget. I started going on there when I was 16 and g convinced me to daily drive Linux for a long time and learn C as well as many other things. Fun memes and enriching. Now it seems more like a caricature of what people thought 4ch was back in the day. Just vapid and most posters are seething with rage about whatever thing.

>>41171 I saw that thread of yours. Yeah, people there don't discuss technology anymore. It's now just a place for right wingers to talk about politics, culture war bullshit, and spew their insane ideologies. And even that aside, there are no interesting threads anymore. Just people fighting over what brands they consume or over what programming languages they use. What pisses me off the most is how most of these people strongly defend proprietary systems like Windows and talk so much soykaf about Linux and free software. I don't expect any actual discussions from there anymore and I start going there less and less. Problem is that there's no good alternative site that has a really active community. The internet in general has become so awful.

>>41172 Haha I got a 3 day ban for that thread. I wonder if the mods even browse themselves or just stick to generals and run through the reports queue when necessary. It's pretty unusable now. I think you just have to take what you can get, and curate what you choose to look at otherwise to avoid brain rot and wasting your time. There are some decent niche communities but they definitely seem more rare than they were a decade ago. The internet as a whole has gone more in that direction of inane arguments rather than fun. I wonder when/if ever we will move beyond this phase.

It's mostly just nostalgia propped up by a few fun things that happened back then. /b/ used to be at the forefront of internet culture for example but even then it was mostly just soykafty spam.

free software is an abomination of this world, that's why it must be destroyed by all means. it breaks order, hinders compliance. there is no way to establish an empire with all these freaks running around creating chaos and freedom. you must abandon free software as much as possible until it's too late. embrace the closed sourced software, it's beauty, it's orderly character. pay no attention that it's just as broken as its any open source "alternative". it's the will of computer god that all runs on closed source software. only that way you can achieve piece and create beauty. you only click a button and everything just works. nevermind it reminds you to take a soykaf, that's all out of pure concern for your health. just look at these horrendous open source command line whatever the fuarrrk programs. absolutely unusable, incomprehensible, and just plain dumb. imagine using text based console in 2024 anyway, what a joke. just look at the beauty of corporate software. look how smooth it is, how plain, how mindful of your needs. nevermind that you'll fuarrrk yourself a hundred times if it doesn't work, you don't stand much chance at debugging any open source excuse for software either. just look at the beauty their web interfaces deliver. don't you feel how kindly they make your computer warm up your room to keep you cozy? have you ever notice how elegant and intuitive Windows is? have you ever experienced that ease of use with linux? fuarrrk, no. just imagine that you have to open the fuarrrking terminal every time you face a trivial issue. i can't even remember any of them, there were so many that none stay in my mind. you ever used mac? seen how gracefully it integrates your life into its devices? nay lains, fuarrrk your open source software. it is a blemish on the world of beautiful, ugly child born of sick imagination of a possessed man. it has no place in the world of grace, order and humanly kindness.

>>41176 free software, simple, elegant, minimal system resources, only does what I tell it to do, no forced updates (Obama), and inherently anti authoritarian. and best of all, it just works. if technology is integrating into your life that much you might want to consider the real reason why you're using it to begin with, lest you become owned by your possessions (and corpos).

>>41171 >>41172 I came here hoping I could find what I used to get out of the 4chan boards I used to browse. But Lainchan just seems to be dead

>>41358 There's no perfect place to discuss technology. Reddit and Hackernews are pretty awful as well because those sites are full of actual retards and people whose vocabulary consists of currently popular slang/buzzwords.

>>41358 I thought so too at first, but you can't be as choosy with the boards and threads you interact with.

why did the trannitors delete the based brazilian squatter thread?

zzzchan.xyz is pretty good they gave a good /v/ and /b/ is a goldmine compared to 4chan