mass vax deaths reported by UK government

The UK government admitted that 1 out of 73 vaxxed people had died by May 2022. Imagine what the real death numbers must be like. It's probably more like 1 out of 10 vaxxed people have died already.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf.)

no bro they actually admitted to 1 out of 2 deaths just trust me bro i heard them say that imagine the actual real number, it could be 1.9/2, or 2/2, maybe even 3/2 if we count offspring that died as a result or something

I'm glad I avoided taking it. I wondered whether I would've avoided it or not, if I had been employed at the time, but think I would've anyway. I've always been against demeaning acts, such as pissing in a cup, so I believe myself to have the moral character that would've avoided it, regardless of the circumstances.

(at least) one out of every 20 people that took the vaccine was over 75 years old, their life expetency is not that long anyway. Maybe instead of quoting meaningless numbers look at actually useful numbers like number of people who died after taking the vaccine as a ratio over the number of people who would be expected to die in that same time period based on pre-2019 actuary tables.

>>37359 This is exactly to a T what it describes here ~ https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf Get ready bros, its happening again.

>>37372 >(at least) one out of every 20 people that took the vaccine was over 75 years old do you have data to back up such absurd claim?

>>37374 15% of the population of the UK is over 65 according to Wikipedia, so I divided that by three. Assuming that vaccines were evenly distributed by age group (they were not, old people were pressured much more into vaccination), that would mean 5% of the people that got vaccinations, in other words one in twenty, was over 75.

>>37378 >assumptions I guessed so

>>37359 WARNING THIS USER WAS WARNED FOR BEING EXTREMELY BASED

>>37380 I mean, can you name anything wrong with these assumptions? They're quick & dirty but it's not worth digging up the actual numbers, which are probably reported somewhere, when the real thrust of the argument is that the numbers quoted in OP are pretty much meaningless.

>>37380 almost like you assumed it lolhahahaha

so glad I never took it bros. spars document soon to be a reality, digits confirm.

Some days I feel a weird kind of envy for all the people who died suddenly. Although I'm sure that the moment of death is still terrifying, there was still a kind of comfort for them, still being plugged into the matrix. I've spend the last couple years trying to come to terms with the possibility that most of the people I know will die within five years. Those of us who remain will have to endure the coming global economic depression, wars, and famine as the central banking systems collapse. Try to survive, but do not do anything that you would be ashamed of when you meet God.

Those rates sound crazy until you consider 1 in 73 people dying would set the average life expectancy at 73...which is about average. I like to think: Why would (((they))) kill the good guys who obeyed them and got the vaccine? >>37361 Gemmy post

>>37389 Firstly, we still have no accurate numbers of the deaths caused by the covid-19 mRNA injections. It has been a very slow release of information due to censorship and that real science simply takes time. People are still dying and people are still trying to measure the millions. As for the average age of the dead, that is still unknown, for the same reason; however, the older people were most definitely targeted the hardest by the propaganda. It is highly likely this was done because pensions and medical benefits of older people cannot be paid out during an (intentional) global economic collapse. Everyone knows that the 60+ demographic votes the hardest. Can't have that. Why? That is a good question. Why do evil people commit genocides? We do know that they've been broadcasting population reduction plans for decades. They keep telling us that. We aren't human beings to them. We are only numbers.

>>37392 >still have no accurate data and you never will after they vaccinated the control groups and threatened everyone into taking it for years. Excess post corona deaths? is it the vaccine or 'long covid' or 5g or a general depressive malaise? everyone with long covid I have asked claims to have gotten vaccinated, but then again I would imply or claim I'd been vaccinated under certain circumstances....none of the long covidians I know have died...not that i know anyone who died of vanilla corona either lol. this is not a case of censoring papers or stifiling research, its a case of making it damn hard to figure this thing out--in a field where its already difficult.

>>37382 You can't base your worldview on assumptions >>37383 difference between me and him is that I tested and checked my assumptions by asking him a question that confirmed them

>>37395 difference between me and you is I worked out the math in my head and it seemed decent so I figured it was a sane estimate. Life is full of estimates and assumptions, and yes you can base your world view on them and do just fine if you properly handle uncertainties.

>>37378 >>37395 >You can't base your worldview on assumptions I didn't read soykaf, I don't know where this guy sits on soykaf. But not only can he can do whatever the fuarrrk he wants, the entire basis of everything is based on assuming x is true. In fact, this is how we even write proofs. We have to note a starting point or we can't get anything done. The amount of mouth breathing niggers on this site is absurd. I decided to read this soykaf. Do you want to know the cold secret of how to respond to prove his assumptions wrong? You respond with the data. Let's see.. "at least one in every 20 people that took the vaccine was 75+" well, that's a completely absurd claim, isn't it? The 2011 census report (I know, but it's either this or the estimation that doesn't even have supporting math) is 63 million people. Of that, 18.48% is 65+ years old. That means 11,642,400 65+ year olds. All of the data here is per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom Which does include sources in the listing. But we are after the claim of 75+, so lets see what I can find... According to https://closer.ac.uk/data/proportion-population-aged-75/ we have 7.8% in 2011 (as per our data) and 8% in 2014 are over 75+. That means 5,040,00 is our ceiling for 75+. According to https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 52M people had their first dose, 49 million had "both" doses. If 5 million (8%) of the population is 75+ and 52 million (82.5%) of the population is vaccinated, it stands to reason that the guy is pulling claims out of his ass. They would need to have well over 10 times the amount of vaccinated in that group for the claim to be believable.

>If 5 million (8%) of the population is 75+ That is more than 1 in 20. Unless there is some reason why old people are less likely to be vaccinated than the general public, what you have shown here is that more than 1 in 20 people that are vaccinated are over 75 years old. >They would need to have well over 10 times the amount of vaccinated in that group for the claim to be believable. What is the actual claim you think was made?

>>37400 ..Are you serious? The elderly were some of the least compliant members of society, in terms of age. That would require at least 92% compliance. >"Older people who lived alone or only with an older partner had a low vaccination rate. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9324439 >hesitancy rate was 19.5% https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9239589/ I will state the existence of a claim by the CDC that "95% of 65+ were vaccinated" but, not only is this supported with a study, but the CDC has been known to lie (see: all the lawsuits of the CDC lying), so that taints their reputation for me (I just have a bias towards not trusting liars.) However, that aside, their claim goes against all of the pushback from the 65+ crowd, the claims in every other study, and so on. Do you understand or should I throw out the spoon and fetch a shovel?

>>37395 >You can't base your worldview on assumptions They made a solid argument and this doesn't address it. The claim implied by OP depends on this assumption (really better described as an estimate) being very wrong and it was explained how this is the case. So it only needs to be plausible to cast doubt on that claim, which on the surface it is. "Assumptions bad" in this context is a lazy cop-out, a good counterargument would need to either show the 1/20 thing is wrong, implausible, or show that it isn't relevant.

>>37411 >t. Discordian/Erisian

>>37408 I don't counterargue assumptions

>>37412 these are grave accusations you are making

>image board thread of a screenshot of a twitter post claiming something with no source well i guess it has to be true then

>>37406 >That would require at least 92% compliance. It would require the compliance of elderly to be at least 92% of the average. Quite different. >Do you understand or should I throw out the spoon and fetch a shovel? If you really think this tiny incidental point is worth a flamewar, sure. It won't make the numbers quoted inOP's twitter screenshot any more meaningful.

>>37420 >Quite different. It was implied, but with my viewpoint on the average person, I guess it should have been anticipated for the implication to not be picked up on. >flamewar Was the shovel comment too far? I'm sorry if this discussion feels like a flamewar, that was not my intended purpose, at all. But I would be retarded to not point out the fact that you just said I'm write and wrote it off because I was a little mean. Look, to be frank, I'm more interested in people being honest and giving things a good look. I don't give a damn about the subject matter or "winning" anything, we don't win. We either grow or we don't, and humanity doesn't benefit from an individual's growth unless that individual goes out there and tries to make a difference with that growth. Unfortunately, that is very rarely the case, most people self-improve for themselves, which is an acceptable reason. But so-called "conversion" is pointless. I'm just looking to help facilitate a little more intellectual honesty and curiosity. Get with it, man. We need to be the change because they won't just do it themselves. If people want to talk about current events or pretend to care about "science", give them "science". Grab them by the scruff and force them to stare at it. Polite sage for off-topic rant and so on.

>>37359 Anyone who took a vaccine that didnt have at least a decade of experiments and testing, deserves the inevitable

>>37359 Fact: if you are not old or obese, Covid have 0,05% chance to kill you. The vaccine reduce your chances to die from 0,05% to 0,002%. This is what it was about. Fact: even with all the doses needed, you won't contribute to herd immunity and still need to social distance and wear a mask. After the outbreaks we had when 70% of the population was doublevaxxed, I think this is well established now. Fact: many people randomly collapsed, some of them died, some of them needed to be amputee and some of them have a paralysis. The fact that it was illegal to investigate it or even admit it happened tell you all you need to know about the vaccine. This was the most important propaganda campaign of this early century and I am proud that I stood against the tide. But if we must only one thing about this event, it is the fact that the vast majority of the population have a problem with the notion of a police state only when the voice of authority tell them to.

>>40209 You forget that many people were literally forced to. They had the choice of being fired and blacklisted from working in their professions, or in some cases having their lives and reputations ruined or even being considered criminals for not getting it. Where I lived I actually got stopped by police for being out during a quarantine while I was walking to work because I don't have a car. They were very upset until I explained to them I work in healthcare and so I needed to go to work even though people were not allowed on the streets. Despite it being wrong. There was too much polarization for the vaxx that many people had no option but to take it. The small risk of dying from complications of the vaccine outweighed the risk of dying from covid in most situations where people had multiple conditions like being severely overweight, having lung/blood issues, or smoked and vaped. For most of the population, the vaccine was actually not needed, especially if people were healthy. That didn't stop the free taxpayer money for telling people they needed it. Just look at pfizer stocks seeing a 300% increase in value over the pandemic. Governments bought bulk vaccine sight unseen with cash up front. The irony being that preordering the vaccine messed up supply chains and vaccine companies started subcontracting production which resulted in vaccine deaths due to defective or tainted batches, and the most unsanitary parts of the world became incubators because nobody had immunity either natural or vaccinated and then the virus mutated over and over while people died from complications or waited for the vaccine to be delivered. One of the remarks I heard was a comparison to seat belts, because that technology was released freely which actually painted the company as a hero and not a greedy villain. If vaxxmaxing was the only way to save lives as the companies claimed, then why did they closely guard their trade secrets and seek profit by suing or filing patent claims instead of being the saviors of the world they claimed to be and give out the formulation for the good of humanity. Let's not even forget the guidance of not knowing what the effects are, but why not mix and match manufacturers to prevent any data for type and batch from ever being collected. The failure of covid has now impacted regular proven vaccines that have been used for hundreds of years, because the definition of a vaccine has been changed from an immunization into something that may or may not help, just give us money. Saying people had a choice is like saying that you don't need the internet or a phone to survive, but then in order to get a house or a skilled white collar job, you actually do. Most of society does not live on the fringes and cannot survive off of working either under the table or living in the woods. I have talked with a number of important medical professionals and policy makers (not going to doxx) who admit that things were done wrong, but some of them either played the "I was just following orders" and blamed it on the politicians and media, or admit that they were far to pressured by their own peers for even speaking out against how wrong the forced vaccinations were. People said "but the government says" which pretty much goes against any sound medical advice, but it prevents people from being legally in trouble for telling someone not to get it, even if it was common sense. There were a number of inconsistencies, so when I advised people, I would discuss the risks of the data being inaccurate, and referred them to worst case scenario based on the initial approval data, which IIRC was around 1/100 seriously hospitalized following injection, with 4/100 having to go to the hospital with serious side effects. I used to have the data on another computer, but much of it has been scrubbed or "updated with more recent data". The biggest problem is people don't know medicine and trust everything they see in a tiktok or youtube video, and so they made their decisions based on the algorithms telling them what to do, because they didn't have a solid alternative of information. I was concerned the moment I heard that PCR was the method of "testing," It's like putting a paper on a photocopier and darkening the output and repeating until something shows up on the printed page so you can say "see there was something on the original page" There was no microchip or tracking fluid in the vaccine. It was just a half baked theory that was the perfect test bed for a lab leaked research virus. Even if the governments don't admit it, and China covers all the origin data up and Chinese scientists were known to do research on covid, the entire outbreak resembles one of the hundreds of other lab leaks over the last century.

>>37392 consider the following: COVID could be a very real disease that was made in a lab by people who wanted to cull the population. in fact, if a vaccine that kills you is manufactureable then it would be even easier to do this with COVID. because of the unfalsifiable "elites want to cull the population" narrative being able to upheld in both cases, it stands to reason that vaxxination has nothing to do with it.

>>40212 >if you are not old or obese, Covid have 0,05% chance to kill you. The vaccine reduce your chances to die from 0,05% to 0,002%. This is what it was about. You still don't understand, huh ? It was not about reducing the death-rate of not old or obese people, it was about trying to stop the virus to spread from healthy people (who have a low death-rate) to unhealthy people (who can have a very high death-rate).

>>40219 Healthy people should not risk all of the horrible side effects of covid, summarizable as permanently damaged organs, weakened and defective immune system, and death, any more than unhealthy people should have to die. If they are afraid of dying, then they can just stay away from the healthy people. Even with several comorbidities the likelihood of dying is still less than 1%. The whole pandemic narrative is completely insane to begin with, the treatment is more harmful than the illness itself. It's clearly the vaccines that are killing more people and harming more people's health than covid ever did, I mean death rates literally spiked around vaccine distribution for crying out loud, and excess death rates were more pronounced during vaccine rollout than during covid, it's evil stuff. https://digdeeper.club/articles/corona.xhtml#death

>>40218 Im sorry I find your wording a tad strange, but it sounds like you're saying its easier to control a disease in the wild than it is to inject people with slow acting poison. I'm sorry but I don't think this is the case at all.

>>40220 > It's clearly the vaccines that are killing more people and harming more people's health than covid ever did This is utter bullshit. Only fools and people with ulterior motives for spreading misinformation say that. Which are you?

>>40218 >consider the following: Opinion discarded.

>>40220 >If they are afraid of dying, then they can just stay away from the healthy people. I love how "muh liberty" people don't care about unhealthy people liberties. "Just stay away bro", "yeah you can't go outside because it's MUH LIBERTY" >Even with several comorbidities the likelihood of dying is still less than 1%. The whole pandemic narrative is completely insane to begin with, the treatment is more harmful than the illness itself. No and No. Even if you are extremely unluck and get one of the rare side-effects of the vaccine (which exist, like with every treatment), it's just mild versions of what you can get with Covid. >It's clearly the vaccines that are killing more people and harming more people's health than covid ever did, I mean death rates literally spiked around vaccine distribution for crying out loud Get off twitter >and excess death rates were more pronounced during vaccine rollout than during covid, it's evil stuff. https://digdeeper.club/articles/corona.xhtml#death >"evil stuff" >link to a website that use others conspiracy-theorist websites as "sources" >diabetes kill more than covid as a "gotcha !" >link to a few half baked non-peer reviewed studies, ignoring all the others >lol

>>40227 The side effects are not mild, the vaccines are far worse than covid. Maybe you don't bother researching things for yourself, I don't know how you came to your conclusions, right now all you are doing is making assumptions about people you don't know, in a manner that makes you look closed minded. The article is quite good, and you seem to have failed to actually provide any kind of rational counter argument to the information it holds. Regardless, I won't be taking the vaccine, but if you want to that's fine, just don't act like everyone else needs to take it when it doesn't work, and harms more than it helps.

>>40228 I know a lot of people who got vaccinated. Its possible the vaccines were stored improperly or something, not actually potent by the time they were injected, idk. They pretty much all seem fine. A lot reported getting sick a bit after taking it, which is obviously bad, but not really that bad. Are these effects worse than corona ? Honestly I guess so, but twice as bad as a trifle is still just about a trifle. still unvaxxed.

I miss when Lainchan wasn't flooded with invaders. It's really not difficult to understand how vaccines work and the effects of different ingredients in them. There has never been a vaccine where the virus in vaccine was worse than the virus it treats. Vaccines in past contained polysorbate80 usually and the mRNA vaccines contained a form of polyethyleneglycol which is structurally very similar but more people are allergic to it than polysorbate80 likely because polysorbate80 is used in food a lot. This means potential for higher rates of anaphylaxis though usually people don't die from that since it happens soon after being injected which is why they often after any vaccine you havent had before have you wait a while to monitor you are okay. Though there is one more potential problem with PEG (one form is used as a laxative MiraLax) is impurities in it can contain ethylene glycol but the amount is so small it wouldn't really cause a problem even if that were the case since if you look it up the only cases of suspected seizures and other ethylene glycol poisoning symptoms come from children given laxatives which the amount is 100s of times more than in a vaccine. The only concern at the time that seemed noteworthy is the lipid transport system, but any effects of that like an embolism or stroke would be near immediate within a month or few at most not several years later. Plus there were multiple vaccines available of different kinds, the adenovirus vaccines didnt have the lipid transport system they used an inactive outer casing of a cold virus which is a technology that has been safely used in chimpanzees since the 1980s and was used in the Ebola vaccine successfully without issue. Then you also have to consider people that have health problems are more likely to get vaccinated against various diseases but they also are more vulnerable to the viruses. Due to the Covid-19 vaccines not preventing infection and symptoms only reducing symptoms and thus reducing chance of death would not entirely eliminate deaths caused by the virus once they get infected later. I know people that died from Covid-19 and never were vaccinated and some that have had health problems months even over a year after getting sick with it also weren't vaccinated. I've yet to personally know anyone who was vaccinated and has had any problems like that. If someone had a negative effect from being vaccinated it just means they would have had even worse if they had gotten the actual virus first. Plus vaccines take time to work, sometimes you get the virus a vaccine is supposed to prevent before the vaccine even has time to be effective at all. It's why I often dont bother with annual flu shots every year since going out to get the shot I am just exposing myself to lots of people and might get the flu before the shot has a chance to work.

>>40228 > you seem to have failed to actually provide any kind of rational counter argument to the information it holds I won't waste hours of my life refuting every bullshit of this website, sorry. Wasted too much time of my life doing it in the past. Everyone I know in real life got vaccinated, not a single side effect. Meanwhile 2 of my neighbors died of covid (one was healthy btw, only 50yo). >Maybe you don't bother researching things for yourself, I don't know how you came to your conclusions Hours wasted in 2021-22 reading medical journals. So no, I do "research thing for myself", just not on random websites quoting other random websites and out of date informations. >Regardless, I won't be taking the vaccine, but if you want to that's fine, just don't act like everyone else needs to take it when it doesn't work, and harms more than it helps. It does work, and everyone else needed to take it when it was at a pandemic level, to try to avoid getting it and spreading it to vulnerable people. But heh, "muh liberty", right ? Idc anymore, it's 2024, I just tell people like you "lol no it works" and move on. >>40229 >A lot reported getting sick a bit after taking it, which is obviously bad I guess you don't know what a vaccine is lol. But heh, at least you're not as dumb as the other guy telling every vaxxed will die or something

>>40230 >I miss when Lainchan wasn't flooded with invaders. It's really not difficult to understand how vaccines work and the effects of different ingredients in them. You have infographic popsci brain. It's part of the control scheme. I let them give me a flu shot once when I was 13, I developed the flu shortly after. Never had the flu before nor since. Anyway, you haven't done your homework. Not doing it.

>>40229 I knew 3 women who developed heart conditions and 1 who had to go to the hospital with a severe allergic reaction following injection. IIRC the vaccine became useless if it got left out for over a certain amount of time, which means the vial had to be thrown out and another purchased from the manufacturer. Keep in mind that governments were telling people they could go out and party and whatever as soon as they got vaccinated, while also stating that the vaccine was only partially effective, and that it did not prevent transmission. So essentially, instead of advising sick people be considerate of society, they were being told to get the juice and then keep doing whatever made them happy. People who's family members had adverse reactions were still being advised to get it, even though there was a high chance of side effects. >>40231 >It does work, and everyone else needed to take it when it was at a pandemic level, to try to avoid getting it and spreading it to vulnerable people This was a huge misconception. The only way to avoid spreading it was to practice good hygiene and social protective measures. People misusing PPE caused a shortage, which was exasperated by fraudulent PPE tainting supply chains. At least one study demonstrated that having good hygiene stems from both a concern for transmitting disease, and a high level of self control. Vaccines traditionally inoculated people (hence the name) he introduction of an antigenic substance or vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease. The definition of vaccine was changed at the advice of medical professionals who had a conflict of interest in selling a defective product. Flu shots work, but only against the specific strain that is believed to be the prevalent mutation, which is why it has a limited efficiency because it takes about a year to manufacture and distribute the next years vaccine. Meanwhile COVID vaccines, especially the RNA type did not necessarily inoculate someone, so by definition it was not effective.

>>40231 >guess you don't know what a vaccine is look its obviously bad to get sick. If taking drugs to get sick now saves you from getting real sick later, maybe thats great. Otherwise, probably not worth it. From my observations, it was probably not worth it. Almost certainly not worth it for me; I went through the pandemic masking at pretty much legal minimum levels, and got sick about as much as I regularly do, about as bad as I regularly do, which is not much at all. This in a larger city and I was far from totally self isolated at home. I have not once tested positive for corona. >>40236 Interesting. Not my experience. You say women, does your friend group skew that way ? If its much more common among women that would possibly explain my limited awareness.

>>40236 >I knew 3 women who developed heart conditions and 1 who had to go to the hospital with a severe allergic reaction following injection. I want to trust you, I really want, but it's kind of weird the only persons I talk with that know people who got side effects are openly against the vaccine and everyone else I talk with don't know anyone who got side effects. Don't get me wrong, I know side effects do exist, but I find it hard to believe every anti-vaccine I talk with know 2-5 people with side effects. >IIRC the vaccine became useless if it got left out for over a certain amount of time, which means the vial had to be thrown out and another purchased from the manufacturer. Yes, they had to remain at some controlled temperature >Keep in mind that governments were telling people they could go out and party and whatever as soon as they got vaccinated, while also stating that the vaccine was only partially effective, and that it did not prevent transmission. So essentially, instead of advising sick people be considerate of society, they were being told to get the juice and then keep doing whatever made them happy. You know why? Because governments were only thinking about the economy, as usual. It was not about going out and party, it was about going back to work. >Vaccines traditionally inoculated people (hence the name) he introduction of an antigenic substance or vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease. >Meanwhile COVID vaccines, especially the RNA type did not necessarily inoculate someone, so by definition it was not effective. This is false. Both end up producing an immune system response in order to teach your body to recognize the virus. It's faster to produce because it's easier to produce. It's a good thing, governments were so scared they put so much money into R&D and now we have a wonderful new vaccine technology that will be use for flu vaccines and any other vaccine. That mean we can produce vaccines for new strains quicker and be way more effective. I don't get why you'all are against it. It's GREAT news.

>>40235 > You have infographic popsci brain. It's part of the control scheme. I read pirated scientific papers only from peer reviewed journals and check at least some of their citations in those papers as well. If i had resources and right knowledge id run my own experiments. I've been learning about medicine, pharmacology and alternative medicine for years and years now. > let them give me a flu shot once when I was 13, I developed the flu shortly after. Never had the flu before nor since. I already explained why this happens. You can get the flu before a flu vaccine works. Also you could be allergic to one of the ingredients which also would have made you feel sick. On top of that there also is something called the nocebo effect where if you thought it would harm you your brain makes you feel sick. But yes, sometimes you can get a mild flu symptom from a flu shot. >Anyway, you haven't done your homework. Not doing it. But I have before. >>40236 > I knew 3 women who developed heart conditions and 1 who had to go to the hospital with a severe allergic reaction following injection. Unless you know them indirectly or know a lot of people this seems doubtful since I havent seen anything like this occur. The heart condition associated with covid-19 and sometimes the vaccines is just a swelling of the heart which you can treat in mild stages with just an aspirin and it goes back to normal. Other heart conditions would have to have already preexisted and brought out to be noticed from such a state. Allergic reactions I had explained above here >>40230 the mRNA vaccines used polyethylene glycol which unless im mistaken wasnt used in other vaccines prior so some people may get an allergic reaction they didnt get from other vaccines while reverse also can be true in some cases. > IIRC the vaccine became useless if it got left out for over a certain amount of time, which means the vial had to be thrown out and another purchased from the manufacturer. Yes they have to be kept at a very cool temperature to keep stable. This likely is the reason why some form of polyethyleneglycol was used instead of polysorbate80 but that's just my assumption something to do with the temperature storage. > Keep in mind that governments were telling people they could go out and party and whatever as soon as they got vaccinated, while also stating that the vaccine was only partially effective, and that it did not prevent transmission. Well in the US there was a huge amount of conflicting statements made from poor phrasing. Not sure about elsewhere. It does reduce transmission rates though due to transmission mainly being from coughing which is more than what occurs with just breathing from how it reduces symptom severity. >People misusing PPE caused a shortage, which was exasperated by fraudulent PPE tainting supply chains. There was a shortage because people were told not to get masks since they might not work which made them buy them up early on from knowing they were being lied to instead of just told there isnt enough masks for the average citizen and that hospitals need these masks more. The truth wasnt told and it lead to problems. Though yes i literally kept seeing people touch their faces a lot when using a mask or just wearing it on their chin. >>40239 > If its much more common among women that would possibly explain my limited awareness. Women have stronger immune systems. This is likely due to testosterone suppressing the immune system if i recall correctly.

>>40241 >I already explained why this happens. You can get the flu before a flu vaccine works. Also you could be allergic to one of the ingredients which also would have made you feel sick. On top of that there also is something called the nocebo effect where if you thought it would harm you your brain makes you feel sick. Useless minutia because you haven't yet come to where you can let go of false complexity. >But yes, sometimes you can get a mild flu symptom from a flu shot. Relevant portion, except you're wrong. People who get flu shots get the flu often. People who don't, like me, have it once in over 30 years directly after being tricked and injected as a 13 year old. It's obvious what happened. I'm not going to list all the possible excuses (like an abused child trying to understand mom and dad) and their permutations out of a "I'm scared to look dumb!" reflex.

>>40241 >Well in the US there was a huge amount of conflicting statements made from poor phrasing This is very true. Also simply changes in tack, not merely poor phrasing. Early there was the 'go out and hug a chink' line, eventually it was don't go outside without a mask or you're an attempted murderer. Even stallman adopted that last one. I seem to recall from around when the vaccination program was beginning in earnest some charts about how long it took to take real effect, but as far as I know no one ever cared about the dates on vax cards only whether you had one. A real shambles! >Women have stronger immune systems. there are, I seem to recall, a number of differences between men and women. Also the name vaccine comes from cows because it was made for cow pox. >>40240 >find it hard to believe every anti-vaccine I talk with lol maybe everyone who knows 2+ people who got bad side effects became, perhaps reasonably, an anti vaxer