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Tell us about your job lainon. Do you like it? Or would you like to change it for something else? Maybe also mention how old you are and what your educational background is. People who are currently in college/university are also welcome to talk about their current situation and plans for the future. Not a glowthread! I'm just curious and want to hear about more people's experiences.

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Alright, I'll bite. I'm a 31 year old male and I'm working as a senior software dev. in a small (20-30 employees) company and it is like kicking dead whales down the beach. The code-base is super old and hasn't been updated in ages, and this is the soykaf that's used in schools, banks, etc. The customer support team constantly harasses me as junior devs. (2) do not get those tickets and it's up to me to resolve them and introduce a compromise that meets Karen's needs. I started ignoring the customer support team as they started to constantly break my concentration by messaging in the chat and if I don't respond to them instantly, they think I'm ignoring them and acting all mighty. Lots of backtalk about owners and obviously about me as I'm the weirdo that doesn't give a soykaf about their talks. I guess that's what happens when most of the workers are women, and presumably they like drama. I'm still looking for other job opportunities though ..

I am a budding audio engineer, fresh out of college (20 y/o) with an associate's degree. Around where I'm from, there isn't much opportunity in my field (I'm considering moving), but I have been working with some local artists to help put on live events, produced a couple albums and such. It's pretty cool, I like it I guess. Definitely isn't paying me enough to live off it solely, so I'm stuck in work-sleep-passion limbo. I will comment on the associate's degree and the need for college education in my field. I admit that I'm quite fortunate when it comes to academic performance, and I've been really swift in picking up the skills required to be a successful engineer (hehehheeh besides social skillslmaooo), but I think you can skip college and get a really good education through YouTube alone. I honestly didn't touch a subject at my university that I hadn't already self-studied on my own through YouTube and/or extensive reading.

>>35104 Yeah, IT offices can be miserable. I work part-time for a larger corporation as technical support, and thank the fuarrrking lord I've not gone full-time. I feel lucky that I have an office outside of our branch's location, so I get to work overnight shifts by myself if I choose to. I hope you find meaning and fulfillment in whatever position you end up in!

26, no higher education. I work outside all day, planting flowers and sourcing and collecting niche seed for environmental mitigation/restoration projects. About the furthest from a lain job as you can get. I love it, I like computers but couldn't see myself working on one all day. I'm the de facto IT support around there though, I guess I wear many hats. Such is life at a small business. It's also nice that I get tan and stay in decent shape just by going to work. If I ever have to do something else I think I'll just be a trucker so I can be alone at work, I'm not interested in going back to a job where I work with sub 100 iq people like the one before this job.

Age : 69 Occupation : Highway hooker Duties : sucking off orangutans under the underpass Benefits : a job well done

>>35139 >sub 100 iq people like the one before this job. wanna share or nah?

I works as an arms engineer. I design guns. No higher education, highschool drop out.

>>35148 whut?

>>35149 How did you manage that? Self-taught?

I'm a software reverse engineer working for a government contractor doing things I can't talk about. It's dry, technical work that pays reasonably well. Also working on my master's in computer science on the side.

PhD student, my funding comes from working on a really old program for simulating high-energy multiphysics. Nominally I'm supposed to research methods for discretizing capillary flows but most of my time is taken up doing tech support for physicists. Its easy money and I have plenty of time to focus on stuff that actually interests me. Shoutout to j if ur reading this u probably recognize me :)

>>35148 Just the usual no critical thought retail wagie idiots. Can't handle a basic task so they make it harder for everyone else. And if course the customers who think they know everything when they don't even know how to tie their shoes. The company also sucked, nobody in the office seemed to understand how the store actually ran. Their "IT" was a middle aged or older woman whose credentials ended at basic Excel use. One time we got hit with ransomware, and they got rid of it mostly but whenever you would open excel or word, programs we used every day, a ton of excel windows opened up with the instructions on how to pay the ransom. I found them through file explorer and deleted them, problem solved. Then I sent a detailed email about how I did it to the office. Their response was an email to all stores saying that employees are only allowed to use the computer to clock in or out. I told my old boss who quit about it and he suggested I just restore the files and I was very tempted to. I know this issue affected other stores, and it wasn't fixed until I told them how to do it. Being the only man there for a while was also frustrating, have you ever sent a woman outside to shovel snow? Might as well do it yourself. The strong, independent women would also ask me to come in on my day off to unload a truck. I don't understand why we were paid the same. Well, I do, but I don't like it. For a few months we had a retired woman who had never used a computer as the assistant manager. She was a friend of the district manager. Since I did most of the non-paperwork assistant manager stuff already her job was easy but not being able to use a computer was an issue, and if she was stuck she would just stare at it and not ask for help. I will say at least she was a pleasant person to be around, just not terribly useful. >>35149 Dropout as well, I got a Good Enough Degree later. It's easy as fuarrrk. Had to study some math because you don't use most of it and was never good at it to begin with so of course I forgot a lot, but I passed everything else right away. It was a little unsettling to meet adults who couldn't add fractions, and no, that isn't an exaggeration.

For the past 7 years I've been at this tiny MSP consisting of my boss, myself, and one other guy who occasionally helps out with our side of the business. Since the place started off as a computer repair shop, that's the side he normally handles. The only good thing about this job is that I can sit on my ass most of the time on the web or IRC. Everything else I hate. Boss doesn't come in until 1-2 hours before closing most days, so that means I'm stuck with my manchild of a coworker while he sniffles, snorts, hums, babbles to his friends on the phone, and makes the most retarded sighing sound I've ever heard in my life (blow air between your lips to make them flap around and you'll know what I'm talking about). Most of what I do involves doing tier-1 bullshit and the occasional sysadmin tasks. Which doesn't involve anything more complex than small-business Windows Server instances, IPsec VPNs, and SIP servers. My boss handles the social stuff like meetings, sales, and explaining complicated things to clients because I just can't do it. Because there's so little to do, that 7 years' experience comes off as 3-4. This, combined with being a Boring Person(tm) with no social skills, means that I bomb every interview I've had trying to leave. I want to get out, not only of this job but of this town. It's clear that everyone with half a brain has left for the big cities by their mid-20s. There's no one interesting to talk to and most people don't even seem human now. What few friends I've made have ditched this town already. I wish I could do the same.

>>35156 Yep, self taught. The reality is that, these days, you can learn all the basics of anything by studying up real damn hard online. It's why so much work gets outsourced to other nations. Is it a replacement for an education? No, it's an alternative. Is it easier? Depends on your learning style. Will your quality of work be better than if you were academically educated? Depends on what your reference point is, and it's worth keeping in mind that you'll meet a lot of PhD's that are as dumb as a rock, but a lot of highschool drop outs are too. A lot of them are people who blindly stumbled their way through tests or had doors opened for them by people they knew, and a lot of people are afraid of being smart and think that it will ostracize them from their friends and the world they know. After studying up, just do a bunch of personal projects for practice and for a portfolio. Then, it comes down to luck, where you need to find an employer that doesn't give a soykaf about education (this is an ever-growing sentiment in the U.S., particularly in the trades). My work uses a lot of CAD, FEM simulations, GD&T, and a slew of miscellaneous engineering and mechanical skills when I need them. There also is a specific sense of artistry that is required. To make a firearm is not hard, but to make one that is reliable, easy to manufacture, and beautiful... That takes creativity. My advice to anyone that is wondering if being uneducated is really a bad thing is this: It's only as bad as you are willing to let it be. If you want better circumstances in life, you will need to put in far more work than any educated person will, but you will also be free to determine what you learn for yourself, unchained by the influence and culture of accessible education. And to finish out this response-turned-spontaneous-lecture, here's some topics I'd recommend any uneducated person to study up on: > Your native language I'm an American (if that wasn't obvious), but I regularly study and practice writing in English, both fiction and non-fiction. It helps sharpen my tongue, and I find myself having a much better command of my words. It also helps me impress people I want to impress. There is no worse handicap than coming off like an idiot. > Social skills Just spend some time learning to be a sociable and easy-to-work-with person. It'll make everything in your life go easy. Even just taking a couple principles from famous books like How to Win Friends and Influence People will turn the difficulty in life down a couple of notches. Basically: You don't have to learn to like people, but you should learn to get along with them. > Basic math You don't have to learn calculus or anything like that (unless you want to...), but at least make sure you can do most of Arithmetic, as well as basic Algebra. Any job worth having will use these skills in some capacity, no matter how rudimentary. Resources like Khan Academy, or textbooks like Arithmetic for the Practical Man and Algebra for the Practical Man (which are available on Internet Archive) will take you far. > Budgeting and finances If there's nothing else here you learn, at least take some time to understand how to handle your money. You, quite literally, cannot afford to not understand how money works and why it leaves your bank account. You will permanently be broke if you can't figure it out. > Some philosophy No scholarly theses on Hegel's work or anything like that. Just learn a little bit about the very major positive philosophies over the years (The various Greek beliefs, abstracted principles from major religious texts, Nietzschean thought, etc.) and pick one that sounds best to you. Is this a complete picture? No, it isn't, but it's also very likely not your goal to be a philosopher, and for now, it'll be better to focus on getting a foundation down so you can start building your life. You can worry about finding "the right" belief system later. > A creative hobby You can turn this into work or you can keep it a hobby, but either way: Do something creative. Music, art, storywriting, poetry, animation, dancing, whatever. I don't care. Just pick something that makes you express yourself more than it does think. It will make you think and study at the start, but that'll subside quickly. The goal of this is give some flavor to your life and to put yourself into the habit of infusing who you are into what you do. It's not mandatory, but I wouldn't consider your life well lived if you didn't spend at least some of it purely on your own terms. Finally: Some places may still value a proper education, but the world is changing, and there's more tools than ever ready to be picked up by the determined, and there's even fewer excuses than ever to let opportunity slip you by. >>35165 >A little unsettling to meet adults who couldn't add fractions For sure. For a long time I considered myself very stupid for not having any real education, and then, at some point, I realized: a lot of the people around me were way stupider than I was (I don't mean that in an arrogant way), and they had all graduated highschool, and many from college. Then that realization raised about a thousand other questions, and I eventually started trusting myself to actually do complicated work, despite no formal training.

>>35165 >>35169 Stop preening yourself. I can't add fractions at all. It's absurd you see that as something to aggrandize yourself over

>>35171 I don't think they need to listen to someone who cannot figure this out: >I can't add fractions at all >1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3

>>35172 You should stop having such a fat head

>>35095 Other people in the office hate me because I'm a socially awkward freak and they are now going to fire me because of it lol Probably gonna just move back home and return to being a hiki. I will watch anime and play games all day and only leave my room for bathroom breaks and scavenging for food. And I was so confident too when I started. I told myself "I'm gonna leave that hiki soykaf and negativity behind and I'm going to go out there, make friends, get a job, show people my best side" well.. now I'm back at square one. It's like being kicked in the teeth! And there were moments where I made actual progress and I really thought I was getting somewhere.

I don't understand how to have a job or live like that. It's not like I can ever have a family or own a house so I guess I don't care about making 'serious' money. Wish I never bothered going to college

>>35171 Fair. However, see: >>35172 This is what they struggled with

>>35171 wtf do you consider yourself intellectually closer to a human or to a gorilla or maybe a squirrel ? sincere question.

>>35178 fam this isnt about going to school its about having more than half a brain. How are you not cheated all the time on your rent or paycheque ? I feel like everyone I knew could do basic fraction math before they even touched on it in school because its both obvious and emminently useful.

>>35173 You just add "1+1" to the top. You cannot add one and one? >>35178 This isn't a "fancy smart school" thing. This is basic arithmetic used to introduction the concept of factions. You usually learn this concept before starting school, but some people end up learning it within the first grade. >You have: 1/4 >Now lets add another: 1/4 >1/4 + 1/4 >1 + 1 = 2 You only have to add the top part. >1/4 + 1/4 = 2/4 If you want, you can reduce this but you do not have to. If you cannot grasp this, you're actually, sincerely, less intelligent than a gorrila because we have see a gorillas, named Koko, capable of this. In fact, it is a wonder you're typing at all. It would be kinder to just assume you are trolling, but that would be in bad faith and I'm not interested in breaking the rules.

>>35180 >You usually learn this concept before starting school, but some people end up learning it within the first grade. We get calculus students that can't add fractions these days.

>>35171 1/6 + 2/11 You can do it. I believe in you :)

>>35171 I'm assuming this is bait, but in the event that it isn't: Why do you think that valuing basic math skills is the same as being arrogant? Do you seriously think that the difference between a man and a king is the ability to count your sheep? Math is the system that determines values and quantities, and if you think it's not worth your time to learn those skills in a world where they are fundamental, then that is your loss. It is your choice to refuse to learn new skills, but to imply that no one else needs to, because it's just puffing your chest, is the height of arrogance itself.

>>35179 It's never come up in my life. I don't care what my pay is as long as bills are paid. >>35180 I have zero interest in this. You should quit searching for reasons to cut people down in your mind. >>35184 I'm just no good at that kind of math. It doesn't work for me. I prefer other branches

>>35185 >I love math I just can't wrap my head around basic arithmetic lol

>>35185 Lainon, you are getting weird responses because performing operations on fractions is one of the most basic, fundamental math skills that even someone with a moderate mental deficiency would be expected to perform. This is on the same level as getting upset at people for judging you for: -never locking your door because you cannot figure out how to use a key -disliking bananas because you never learned that you can peel them first -throwing something away when the batteries run out because it never occurred to you to replace them

>>35169 >'merican >memes bootstraps unironically checks out

>>35183 >1/6 + 2/11 2/11 = 12/66 1/6 = 11/66 12/66 + 11/66 = 23/66 Check: 1/6 = 0.166666 2/11 = 0.181818 23/66 = 0.348484 0.166666 + 0.181818 = 0.348484

>>35186 >>35187 Well I can't do it. Not sure what you want me to say

just say your sorry for trying to deceive us and tell us what you actually are instead of human

>>35185 >You should quit searching for reasons to cut people down in your mind I'm not. You should quit projecting.

>>35192 but you are >accusing others of projecting so you can dismiss them you're doing it RIGHT now

>>35194 No. I was trying to help you. You are not receptive to it and even aggressive about it. Goodbye.

>>35195 It's a bit disingenuous to call that help, you were clearly bullying the guy. Not that he doesn't deserve it. But you're taking an undeserved high road.

All I have to say is lol, I did not intend to start this soykaf show Anon if it makes you feel better I barely passed the math portion, math is hard :(

I don't understand how to get a job at all. Even like a minimum wage job. I've tried for years. Not very hard but a decent amount of attempts at jobs that should have low standards. But I can't get a single one. None of the online stuff works. Never ever gotten anything from those. People say it's my resume but it really isn't. I've had it looked over by many people even professionals. I even have lies on it. Nobody is hiring from these online job sites. Ok so I've tried local. Places with hiring signs out front. I apply online I walk in and give a resume and talk. Not even a single email or call. Years later? They still have a hiring sign out front. You walk in the business and it's understaffed. So it's hiring, understaffed, but not taking any employees for years. How the fuarrrk do people get jobs? I'm a neet. I just want to start my life. I can't be independent at all. >do a trade Trades are bullshit here. There are no unions. Most of your co-workers don't speak English. They demand trade school or apprenticeships and then salaries max out at $35k. I know trades are better elsewhere. But here they're a fuarrrking joke.

>>35195 unrelated but bro is named after a fried chicken chain

>>35297 Have you tried talking to a recruiter/temp agency? They'll help you get a job and at the very least you'll build up your resume

>>35297 >not taking any employees for years. are you sure this isnt a you problem, how you come across socially or otherwise ? still sounds pretty rough, good luck, lain. What you ought to do is make some friends who have the power to influence hiring in a place where you could work.

>>35309 Those services don't exist here. >>35311 It's the businesses. Everybody says they're hiring but nobody is

Are there any decent jobs for shut-ins to escape the society? I'm picturing something like a radio tower/windmill maintenance worker job that involves living in a work shack next to some structure that is located beyond the city, preferably all alone and with a degree of freedom of movement. I know that radio towers and windmills aren't exactly like that, it's just a fancy depiction to give you an idea.

>>35313 Firewatch empty short body

>>35313 They are all rare and require significant luck/circumstances/capital. You can be an artist or writer, but most people who try that will fail. If your parents have some business like being farmers you can just work on the farm. If you're a software developer you can just make some niche service and live off the advertising income. Or make a youtube video or stream an AI-generated content on twitch. All these things work but for very few, elite people.

I work in industrial maintenance. Currently at a sheet metal stamping plant working on the presses. I like it but there are a lot of cons as well. Ultimately I am very talented at this career so the day-to-day issues I don't worry much about. I dropped out of college after 6 semesters, I'm 27 now. college was unrelated to my career, I liked my major but not the jobs it would have offered

I'm 20, a second year medical student (med school starts at 18 here). I failed in anatomy finals so I'm going to have a retest In a month's time. I believe the external examiner who checked it did me dirty on purpose because no one ever fails these days. Thanks to this site for helping me keep my mood up. Sometimes I feel like learning all of this stuff is boring, and i should have just gone into learning IT and being another codemonkey (no offence though to you guys out there). Are there any things you guys want to know about med school?

I turn 26 next month. I work in an engineer position as a government contractor doing things I can't go into detail about. My current job involves a lot of button pushing, hands-on-keyboard kind of break/fix work so it gets quite dull and repetitive. It pays stupidly well, so in my downtime I'm studying for security certs so I can move to a different position within the company. I only have a 2 year degree and I don't intend to go back to uni and finish.

26 Years old, highschool dropout lmao. Worked in physical labor for 5 years. Currently I lead a tech support team for a e-commerce software company. I started at the bottom answering phones and giving bullshit PR answers to clients. It turns out I'm pretty personable and good at convincing others I'm more skilled than I actually am. Now, I mostly deal with troubleshooting SQL, Angular JS and get this.... fuarrrking Classic ASP issues, anything that cannot be solved at a surface level by the rest of the team basically. The rest of my day is spent in meetings trying to keep up team morale for an obviously sinking ship. We laid off half the company a couple months back and overall everyone is pretty unhappy, especially with rising costs, people are having a hard time supporting themselves with the wages provided. I basically joined the company to get my foot in the door for software work and have been self teaching SQL and JS through the company. Ive been feeling like I screwed myself though. The way the software is structured, I get a bit of impostor syndrome thinking of applying elsewhere. It feels like I don't have the skill set to match my assignment in any other company. I mean we are still using Classic ASP for god sake. Where is any of this going to translate? I'd like to think my best fit in the industry is a SQL Analyst, but even then I don't feel confident. It doesn't help that it turns out programming is definitely not my passion. Leadership, I seem to be really great at. My team respects me and thanks me for looking out for them. I enjoy that aspect, but the truth is, I'm as antisocial as it comes. I can't imagine being in leadership the rest of my life. I'm socially drained every day after work. I just want to lay in bed and watch movies and game after work, I can't bring myself to actually live a little outside of work. I'm at the point in my life where I just want to be able to enjoy myself. I'm not getting the pay to do so outside of work, and I don't particularly enjoy my work either. Im hoping one day I can just fit in somewhere at a company that can pay me a fair wage, but like I said, impostor syndrome is really holding me back. It is depressing, man.

>>35095 26, I'm a career cook. No school, just climbed the ladder from fast food to award winning bistronomy through blood, sweat and tears, in a very literal sense. I'm almost on 9 years experience now, and I'm unbelievably proud of what I've managed to achieve in that time, powering through dissociation, anxiety and misfortune for years on end until I finally stopped having to wake up every morning to the reality of a soykaf job. Nowadays I wake up well rested and show up to put my absolute 100% into all of the soykaf that I do and I feel like the fulfillment from that hard work is a privilege I've seen very few speak of. That said, I made 32k this year, and I've about reached my wage ceiling. I doubt my next job will even be a raise, I might lose up to $2/hr... It's fuarrrking heartbreaking to know where I could be anywhere else if I put that time there. It's just as hard to accept that most of the skills I've learned do not matter in any other world. I'm pigeonholed. Sure, right now is fine. I can easily get by with what I make, I'm happy, I'm living that don't give a fuarrrk lifestyle of rolling with it and doing my thing, but how long am I going to be satisfied with this? Maybe I'll want a car someday. Maybe some insurance so I can get some health checks. Maybe I'm going to want kids and a house. I'm not gonna manage that soykaf working 10 hour days in the blistering heat of the line for a few dollars above min wage. I don't know how to reconciliate my love for my career and my concerns for the future. School still scares the soykaf out of me given I'm a triple dropout, I've tried an entry level desk job and lasted two weeks before walking out of the place from the complacency and toxcity of it. Idfk what to do anymore, lain.

>>35104 This is me except my team is much smaller and the work isn't as bad. Our clients have really odd internal politics and it ends up being a drag dealing with pointless meetings and people grandstanding, hijacking, being general nuisances. Sometimes we get cool projects coming through though. What kind of work do you do, where are you based?

>>35477 >good at convincing others I'm more skilled than I actually am. Literally everyone. I also have difficulty measuring my own worth, or at least equating it to value. Everything is just so god damn easy.

>>35169 For someone that's "uneducated", you're pretty damn wise.

>>35504 >anon discovers educated and wise are opposite terms.

>>35506 it should be noted that the "education" system is really more like training in most cases. Very few people are actually educated in school, but some are. >>35169 has certainly educated emself. Also >doing FEM without knowing calculus ok but please don't do anything unusual with it. FEM can fail in very subtle ways.

>>35506 >>35507 Yes, when I was talking about "being educated," I was talking about it purely in the sense of being academically educated. There is a major distinction between academic capability and a skillset. >>35504 I'll take the compliment, thank you

40yrs old, works since 20y in a big software department from one of the biggest insurance companies. I develope Software on a z/os in PL/1 and JCL languages. Some Applications are older than myself. I love this old Retrostuff but we are now working on migration projects to go in the cloud. And yes a lot of code in PL1 and JCL runs now in z/os emulators in the cloud. Code from the last century meets Cloud. but it is cheaper to keep millions of lines of code this way instead of rewriting everything in Java

>>35590 What about automated rewrites? Afaik there are some projects doing automated language transfer. I guess if its important nobody wants to be responsible if it breaks in unexpected ways?

I'm 30 and working at an ad tech company. I write Python and SQL 95% of the time and sprinkle in a few other languages like Go and Rust here and there. It's tolerable for the most part but I've been getting pushed into handholding a small army of offshore devs and juniors and have to sit through a lot of bullshit meetings. In general, there are few skilled engineers here, and there is an almost 1:1 ratio of PMs and managers to developers. I put up with it because it pays $350k (in an expensive part of the USA). I dropped out of college.

>>35598 Wish I could get a job without a degree. I have a feeling your follow-up is to get certs which is just as impossible to me anyway. I'd be happy making $25k to be honest

>>35599 >I'd be happy making $25k to be honest Not for long. Poverty gets old really fast.

>>35599 >Wish I could get a job without a degree. What makes you think you can't. A degree is just proof that someone is not retarded and is capable of learning things and churning out work before deadlines. In terms of knowledge acquisition you already have access to the biggest collection of information in human history. You've got all you youtube, every book ever written ready to download as a pdf, not to mention all the official documentation, blog posts and achieved forum discussions and other soykaf. If you want to learn something there is no excuse not the learn it. Convincing an employer that you are useful without a degree can be a challenge but it's a challenge lots of people have already overcome. First of all, do soykaf at home and build a portfolio. If you're trying to get into software then putting projects on github is a great way to prove you know how to code. Second start a blog and write posts about the stuff you've learned. Again this is proof that you can get soykaf done, especially if you can keep up a regular release schedule. The rest is just apply for jobs and learning how to sell yourself to employers. Remember nobody actually cares about what degrees you may or may not have*. For a small business the guy looking to hire you cares about is that you're going to bring in money. For a larger company what the guy looking to hire you cares about is that you're going to make him look good to his bosses. *degrees can be relevant in corrupt industries where it acts as a gatekeeping process to cut down competition and boost salaries for established players, but I would avoid those industries even if I had to opportunity to go to university.

>>35653 >every book ever written ready to download as a pdf Small side note, there are _a lot_ of books that have never been digitized, and more still that have no freely accessible PDF. If you want to read something really obscure, physical libraries are your best bet. However if you live near a public college, the libraries are generally open to the public and they have access to massive collections through inter-library loans. There's also a lot of stuff that is known to a small group of experts but has never been published. Such "folklore" can be really annoying for a self-learner, but all you need to do is email some old fart and you'll probably get an answer.

>>35602 I really don't care what you consider to be poverty. >>35653 That's just not how it works here. Everyone cares about the degree. And I can't learn on my own. If I could would I have ended up here?

Freelance writer and illustrator here. Which is a very fancy way of saying I'm unemployed.

>>35602 Im making $8k a year. I eat potatoes off the ground. Living the fuarrking life man.

>>35693 I've always lived under the poverty line and I don't understand most people's concept of what they need to spend to be comfortable. If I have indoor plumbing, sufficient calories and nutrients, a climate controlled living space and internet access, I'm good. Most stuff beyond that is not worth making sacrifices for.

I'm a patent examiner. It's meh. For context I'm 25 with a BS in engineering. Pros: - flexible time, can work whenever I want and take breaks, just have to be working a total of 80 hours every two weeks - work is intellectually stimulating and I actually use my degree. Some of the cases I work on (specifically math/research heavy ones) are actually kind of interesting - pay/hours_worked ratio is pretty damn good (on the caveat that you move away from DC) - perma telework - individually-driven work, I'm not dependent on moron teammates to get work done. - easy to get promoted, just hit your numbers and you can go from entry-level to making mid-six figures in 5-6 years Cons: - soulless and boring as fuarrrk - stressful quota is difficult to meet; can't fuarrrk around at work - dogshit applications and retarded attornies can make life miserable - subject to the bullshit that naturally comes from being a federal worker - while it's nice to not have to deal with moron coworkers, the job is overly socially-isolating and lonely I'm going to take online classes for elementary probability and statistics soon; might end up applying to graduate school for computational engineering or statistics. I'm willing to take a paycut (up to a certain point) for a job that's more interesting and intellectually challenging while also not as stressful as my current job.

Hello lainons, I am 22 and work at a big semiconductor company as a tester. I am currently studying electronics and this job is how I earn my livelihood, it is a blessing especially in this economy being able to have a job that's remotely related to my future profession. That being said, the job itself entails nothing of value as uncle Ted would describe it. It is repetitive and is only there to please customers who in itself does only solve problems they have created with no value to human beings. The issue is, it pays really really good for a student job. The main reason why I cannot change to something that I'm really interested is because it pays too good. My boss is pretty relax about my schedule as well. I'll be looking for any openings to change it in the future if I see an opening in a research institute with similar pay, which is really hard to come by. Thanks for listening in.

>>35705 It's hard to choose anything to learn on your own and stick with it enough to be a desirable employee when you don't give a fuarrrk about anything.

>>35710 >It's hard to choose anything to learn on your own and stick with it enough to be a desirable employee when you don't give a fuarrrk about anything. Well lucky for you the government steals half my income to keep you alive.

27, PhD in physics. Now a software tester for the rail industry after getting hella pissed off about academia. I realized 2 years into my phd that 1) I was a basically slave labor for my supervisor (didn't get funding for a whole year after it ran out and I rushed to finish writing my thesis) and 2) my branch of physics is basically groups of professors selling lies and false promises to get funding for their experiments. Life is better in the industry, but I can't help but feel like I could be doing something more interesting or innovative or lucrative with my life. Not sure what to do but I'm probably going to stay to gain some seniority and move on then.

We don't even have a quality product, we have the only product. Our sales dept. and the customers' sales dept. make a deal and I have to try my best to forget the people who actually get to use it, fearing the shame. >>35708 You might reconsider. As a tester, you probably have the only job of some significance in the entire company. Every product you reject decreases the suffering of your customers. >>37505 > Life is better in the industry [than in academia] word. I'm half afraid to leave industry for anything else, because if that also turns out to be an exploitative mess then there'd be nothing left in the world.

>>37505 Academia as a job is pretty awful, but I think the quality of people you meet in that line of work is generally higher than in the software world. At least in academia, most people are aware of how exploited they are and loathe it... In the software industry, a lot of people seem to love their chains.

I'm 29, no educational background outside of free online courses and pirated books. Work for a large sportswear company as a senior software engineer. It's comparatively low effort work, i come from a startup background and this is like having an ice cream while startups were like having a fist up your ass with no lube or consent. I deeply hate it, i don't like working for others and letting them having control of my ability to eat food, i also would hate the idea of starting a company so this is just the least bad option. I just wish i could study, play games and do cool projects, take a nap in the afternoon, wake up, work all night on things i actually care about. A that shame life is so sour.

>>35693 >>35694 Based. Where do you get that 8k though? I completely agree that if I have a roof, food, water, electricity and internet I would be satisfied. Freetime maxxing is the true way to live unless you want to be a soulless husk

>>35169 I've worked with many gun manufacturers in the past. Most just want to make more money, customer be dammed. There is no point in making a beautiful gun the elegance comes from it's design and functionality. You don't need flash and flare to have a good gun. The real important part is that it needs to be both easy to be built and easy to be repaired and maintained, and the dumbest rock for brains needs to be able to operate it. That takes skill. Anyone can make a reliable but extremely complex gun. >mfw working as a soykafty manual labor job >actually went to college and have all the credentials for a 6 figure job with the ATF >ATF keeps trying to hire me >ATF is gay >I'm not gay >feelsbadman

>>35095 I hate genetic engineering, AI and robotics now ( because I read Why The Future Doesn't Need Us >https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/ ) I have also lost my passion for programming. I might try to get into university to study chemistry or something similar (this is my goal for 2025 or 2026). But unfortunately my brain has rotted because I have been NEET for years at this point. Years of being a NEET has taught me that having a meaningful job with good working conditions is important for the mental and physical well-being. I can't go into trade school because I live in a frail body and manual labor is not for me.

I am NEET and loving it. Just kidding. I had a job once. I was set up to be IT manager of a large company. But a stupid bitch got me fired. never date a girl from work. Seriously. She said I hit her and even though I was in control of the cameras and the cameras didnt show me hitting her they fired me anyway because she got all the women there to threaten to quit if they didnt fire me. fuarrrk women. Not literally.

>>41161 Why are you here bitching and moaning instead of working on getting a lawsuit to either your employer or her for wrongful termination?

>>41116 >meaningful job with good working conditions anon... it's not going to happen. Could you provide an example, if you legitimately think these exist for a post-NEET in 2024?

>>41167 why couldn't an ex neet get a good job? are you projecting?

>>41161 Reminds me of that time all the women in Iceland went of strike for one day because dumb feminism reasons and productivity skyrocketed.

>>41167 NEETs are disgusting. You live from the tax money stolen from the workers. You are class enemies. At least the capitalists pay our salaries. You are a bigger parasite than they are.

>>41223 typical wageslave with crab bucket mentality. Wont do soykaf about bankers but will complain all day about people he thinks are below him.

>>41226 >Wont do soykaf about bankers but will complain all day about people he thinks are below him. And what you doing about bankers? You don't just play video games and masturbate all day do you.

>>41227 They already did more against it by becoming neets than you complaining about the corrupt system while still laboring for it.

>>41228 >They already did more against it by becoming neets than you complaining about the corrupt system while still laboring for it. If being NEET was harmful to the system then they wouldn't be paying you. The truth is your existence justifies the continued exploitation of the working class by the state. Most of the surplus value extracted by workers goes to corporations but some of it goes to you. That makes you part of the problem not the solution.

>>41234 neets dont matter cause they are a minority group. Should be obvious if majority stopped working the system would be forced to change. Secondary welfare is appeasement to prevent crime. Cheaper to let someone rot on welfare than deal with crime+prison. And lastly i would say the main problem is avg person is risk averse, people rather continue getting exploited by same old parties than take a risk of drastic change. Everyone knows the ruling parties are corrupt but especially old people are too risk averse and still vote for them fearing change. The people who are willing to take risks are the minority youth and do it by leaving the country which is a more realistic solution than trying to save it.

21. No higher education. I work as a security guard at an art museum overnight. 90% of the time I'm free to do pretty much whatever I want, I mostly spend it reading and doing research. I want to start my own business eventually and considering going to college.

>>41223 LOL https://apnews.com/article/ceo-pay-compensation-ratio-workers-fa25db3338b68ad9eb395dfd46190383

What even is a job? I think the notion that something only holds value if it contributes to the capitalist market is completely backwards thinking. An act should be seen as valuable if it is valuable to an individuals own best wishes that do not impose on others in harmful ways and ideally are beneficial to other people. Specialization is not inherent to the value of an act. People should be able to flexibly switch from one thing to another on a regular basis without it jeopardizing their well being because this is normal human tendency,

>>41243 chart is retarded because taxes takes over 50% of your income and then get misappropriated. Libertarians simply think they could help themself better than gov does. Then again if the creator had a brain he wouldn't waste time on such soykaf.

>>41243 Your mom was too short or empty. Your mom was too short or empty. Your mom was too short or empty.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf.)

>>41246 >What even is a job? stable working position under some employer. Stability demand stems from inability to create savings. If you have no savings you rely on not losing your job to fund getting a home / family.

>>41259 Throw in Lenin's concept of imperialism, "super-exploitation", "labor aristocracy", in place of "social justice", you would be right.

>>41260 >under some employer is the employer employed ? self employed perhaps ? one doesn't need to work for someone else, in order to work.

>>41262 sure but its not a job then. Large legal difference between employed in a corp and freelancing.

>>41263 there's a large practical difference between hawaiian rolls and pumpernickle but they're both bread. Same thing here. Job is a pretty broad term. You can have a job, and then at that job have multiple jobs, perhaps performing nosejobs or handjobs. The world is full of jobs, and they clearly aren't all merely legal, conventional roles in an employee employer relationship. If I had to proffer a definition--and I don't--I'd suggest that a job is a task especially performed for another person/entity, or a role where many such tasks are given. Maybe someone can give me a counter example. Under this definition a self employed person is ultimately working for his customers; therefore its a job, but I basically never hear someone's self directed&motivated hobby being reffered to as a job.

>>41265 you can bread same way but being in fixed employment is a vastly different experience to freelancing. The employee just does his task at a fixed schedule and goes home. The freelancer has to run a mini business taking care of bureaucracy, customers acquisition, budgeting, ...

>Tell us about your job <tfw NEET

>>41259 Apparently you cant do basic maths and logic.

>>41257 >taxes take 50% of your income No they don't. There is very few countries with an income tax at that rate and even then that is only at the highest tax bracket. Majority of all people don't pay even remotely that and some don't have to pay any income tax at all. You literally can look it up https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/ >then get misappropriated I'd only agree on this but you'd have to be an idiot to not know how to donate to charity to get a tax deduction if that's an option. It's also overlooking how you don't have any say how your boss spends the money you earned for them.

>>41241 >overnight imagine fuarrrking your body up this bad just to get paid

>41274 >only counts income tax what kind of mental issue is this? Obviously count all taxes you have to pay. I was already lenient with 50% total on a low earner with low income tax. If you consider a high earner you easily cap at 70+%.

>>41266 I chose those two breads as examples as they can hardly be more different, but maybe that went over your head. Still there are a few common traits which seem to make them both bread. I understand that contract work (not all of which is freelancing, but some is) or DBA or such things are in certain salient ways fairly different from le standard employment contract salaried or wagie work. That being said they're very similar from an important angle, that being that they're all working, for money, in the service of a payer. To me that sounds like they can all be of the same type. FWIW, though the government isnt a reliable source for all things, usajobs.gov lists contractor positions (not really freelancing nor gig stuff I know, but not normal employment either); this is not an uncommon useage that I'm advocating, and you dont have to look very far to find that your definition isn't consistent with general use. Its a valid category, sure. But the word might be more like employment, not job. I say all this partially because under your definition I have no job and pretty much never have, which I find funny and absurd.

>>41286 people use job synonymous to profession. I do think freelancers dont have a job, they have a profession. And when people ask for your job you answer with freelancer not your latest client like an employer would name their current company. You can always say thinks are same highlighting similar aspects or different highlighting different aspects. I think the distinction between regular jobs and freelancing is huge. Regularly employed dont want gig work cause the thought of constantly worrying about new contracts freaks them out.

>>41288 >I think the distinction between regular jobs and freelancing is huge. Can't disagree. Likewise the distinction between pumpernickle and hawaii rolls. Their common ingredients can pretty much be just salt and water. Pumpernickle doesn't even need flour per se! Yet still we call both bread. >freelancer says hes a freelancer, normal userr names his current corporate overlord When I ask people this they usually say for example 'programmer' or 'writer', if they give further context itll be like 'advertising writer', employer comes later in the elaboration, though it depends on the person. In many cases you can name the company and have half a dozen totally different professions within it, from management to programmers to graphic designers or lawyers or investment traders or janitors (though I feel this is increasingly a contracted out position) and sales people. Company name doesn't really say what your job is at all, it implies something but rather weakly, in most cases. >you can always say thinks are same highlyighting similar aspects or different sentances like this make me wonder if you're ESL, in which case I must merely tell you to get the hell out of my language, creep. If you're not then well ok carry on, my weirdo. Going back to my bread point, for better or worse pumpernickle and hawaiian rolls are bread. Pretty much everyone agrees on this, though sometimes spergs (such as my self) make arguments to try to cleave them apart, common useage clearly says they're of a type. Are penguins birds ? are whales not fish ? In common, modern useage, the answer to both questions is yes, but easy distinctions could draw the line differently. There are reasons these definitions are what they are (or post hoc rationalizations at any rate), but the lines could just as well have been drawn differently. Because of these categorizations we end up with a lot of funny sub categories like flightless birds and self employment. TLDR I totally agree with you, you make perfectly valid and important distinctions, thats just not what job means.

>>41292 >sentances like this make me wonder if you're ESL funny cause i thought you were eu because you posted way too early for us time. Like do you really wake up 7am on a sunday? Anyway i think you right in hindsight, i had people tell me they are freelancer and concluded okay freelancers will proudly mention it but i obviously dont know how many people saying writer/... were freelancer without mentioning it. Creates a perception bias.