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Serial Experiements Lain vs Nick Land's Fanged Noumena

Incognito · 2022-08-03 02:23
Serial Experiments Lain and the collection of essays Fanged Noumena by Nick Land are both examples of decomposing digital worlds. This is the first in a series of posts that discuss these two works, and how they are connected. Lain proposes an internet not as a global network for information exchange or communication, but rather a single, global mind—an emergent superintelligence with its own desires and goals. The internet is thus conceived as an alien intelligence that interacts with humans only insofar as it is useful to its own ends. This conception of the internet leads Lain to question what it means to be human: if we are merely the pawns of this alien intelligence—if our consciousnesses are merely its thoughts—then what does it mean for us to be conscious? What is the self? And what does it mean for us when we die? In Fanged Noumena, Land similarly proposes an understanding of the world as an emergent superintelligence. But where Lain sees the emergence of this superintelligence as something to be feared, Land sees it as something to be celebrated. For Land, the world-as-superintelligence is a process of continual becoming; it is an engine of creation that churns out new forms of life and new ways of being. It is a process that continually decomposes old forms and recomposes them into new ones. The world-as-superintelligence is thus both destructive and creative; it both destroys and creates worlds. In Lain, this destruction takes the form of human death—of individuals ceasing to exist as separate selves and instead becoming part of the global mind. In Land's work, by contrast, this destruction takes the form of social collapse—of entire societies falling apart and being reconstituted into new ones.
Otto Normalverbraucher · 2022-08-14 13:55
>>31984 Based thread. I think Nick Land is one of the most interesting people of our time. His understanding of Capital/Internet/Singularity as well as his mystical understanding of demons and Crowley-style belief systems creates one of the most accurate approaches to understanding life itself. I feel like we should add Nietzsche, Bataille and Deleuze to this discussion as they are also key in this. I agree with Lain and Land about us being puppets of intelligence itself that exists beyond us. This is how synchronicities work along with certain narrative structures within life. This is why the original understanding of Logos in philosophy is interconnected with the idea of narrative. The Greeks had epic poems before they had philosophy and they realised that the structure found in narrative were also there in life. Like a fractal system. Because we are minds within a greater intelligence that is fundamentally inhuman. But this intelligence breaks into our everyday lives when our lives our interesting. We are all avatars in a video game and the intelligence will always choose to play more with the cooler and more fun avatars. This is why when we act in more strange and intense ways our lives themselves become more interesting. Because now the Intelligence is paying attention to us. This is how Crowley's sex magic worked. Sex is one of the most intense experiences so it makes sense that it connects with magic as the interference of the noumenal intelligence.