What we should do?

Evening from Russia to you, Lain. I don't know what i should do now. As you know the situation with country is more then awful, we're slowly **or not** becoming isolated from other world. Every fuarrrking newspaper from every fuarrrking side of the world is lying, every fuarrrking polititian is a hypocrite, i just can't deal with it. Every morning i check the news from both sides of conflict and every fuarrrking morning i get nothing good from it. They just lying without any shame and both of the sides just trying to shame other. You can say: "Just don't check it, lmao" but how can i stop check the news, if it is literally about me and my future. If it is about countries, where i spent my childhood, where i live now. Every minute without checking fuarrrking tg-channels is like an hour full of anxiety. And more: my parents are freaky soviet-fans and they're not scared of isolation, they believe in ''Fascist's Ukraine'' and ''The Defense of Donbass''. And they are trying to make me like them. And it is going on and on every fuarrrking day. You would say, that only 6 days past, but... I'm bored, i'm too fuarrrking bored of it. I leave like a half of day in bed, i sleep 3 times a day, i cant get any good emotions, there's feeling like frustration. My parents laughing in kitchen with their friend while i'm dying of headache and something like apathy. I'm feeling bad for last half of year, but now i feel bad much more. I just don't know, what i can do and what i should do. Sorry, Lain, if that text was nothing more like whining, but i've needed it. I haven't got other place to do it, sorry.

sounds like you're depressed, lain. You should join the army, looks like a lot of fun. Good way to make new friends, too.

>>30095 > You should join the army, looks like a lot of fun. Good way to make new friends, too. Guess i'm not ready for that kind of satire/sarcasm.

>>30096 >he thinks I'm joking I'm really not bucko. You need to find something to do, need to make friends, probably need to break some bad habits and get yourself out of some ruts. Army helps you with all of these things. Just do it.

>>30097 >Army helps you with all of these things. Just do it. I didn't know these types reached lainchan already )-; >>30094 >You would say, that only 6 days past, but... I'm bored, i'm too fuarrrking bored of it. I leave like a half of day in bed, i sleep 3 times a day, i cant get any good emotions, there's feeling like frustration. Sounds like you need a hobby/something to become committed too; I had a similar issue but resolved it by committing myself to learning computer science, and so far I've enjoyed it (-: — here's a couple of learning resources to poke at if you want: https://teachyourselfcs.com/ (computer science; I used/am using this as a loose guide to learning subjects in the field) https://www.ctrlpaint.com/ (digital painting stuff, note that it requires a drawing tablet to properly follow along) https://www.musictheory.net/ (fundamental music theory stuff) Pretty much every other subject has a related Reddit subreddit with a wiki which contains other learning resources; I don't like Reddit but I have to say, their wikis are nice. hope I helped (-:

>>30094 Whilst I'm vastly intrigued and want to question you about the whole social-political situation that's affecting us all, from your perspective I will pass. As >>30098 has said, the best thing for you to do currently is to commit yourself to a distraction/project and learn a new skill whilst you're at it. I've recently become interested in C++ and PCBs. I'm already in the process of assembling a bluetooth controlled power switch for my coffeemaker at work that engages when it detects me being onsite.

You can always leave Russia. Your English is clearly good enough that you will survive in any English speaking nation.

>>30098 >you something to become committed to like I said, army. Friends to meet, skills to learn, work to occupy you, causes to be commited to. Great stuff all around ^_^ Please note: we've always been here, and always so shall remain.

>>30094 Every asshole is lying and people eat it up, what can you do about it, only thing i seen work is ignore. Dont get sucked in all this crap, at the end of the day what really changes for you. Its tough times all round, but dont get beat down by all of it. Spring is just around the corner, maybe looking forward to that might help you a bit. >>30100 Its basically the same soykaf all over the world, why bother.

>>30101 >like I said, army. Advocating painful suicide is not a very friendly thing to do lainon.

>>30104 >army is suicide lol tell that to all the veterans everywhere

>>30105 You mean the other armies that bother to actually maintain their equipment and men rather than relying on conscription?

>>30098 I guess i can say i have hobbies. At least i'm playing guitar, trying to make music, playing some games etc. But there's too hard to continue doing things as usual while everything around is going worse and worse. As example: i was creating my diy pedalboard, but now prices any musical devices rised up as fuarrrk. Converting to USD this is like rising up for a 100+ USD from previous prices. That's really that much, at least for me. But thanks for links, guess i'll return to them tommorow. >>30097 I would say i'm pacifist. And now especially. >>30099 > the whole social-political situation that's affecting us all, from your perspective Shortly: Russian goverment are scared of NATO's interventing, especially in Ukraine. So after long period they commited casus-belli and declared war justifying it by frases like "Ukraine Goverment is Fascists" or "Ukrainian are bullying Russians on the east of the country, we need to help them" and more. Before that some people in our goverment said "Russia would never declare war. How can we do it after WW2". And they did. Oppositely Ukrainians are in hysteria and trying to make as much soykaf/fakes as they can to make Russia look like murders to the least part of world, while they were killing people on Donbass for last 8 years (last years not that much like in 2014 or 2017, but still). And western point isn't better. USA goverment tells us that War is a crime, How dare you! while they have been bombing all the Middle East like Iraq, Syria, or southeast asia for last 50 years. Isn't it just a hypocrite as fuarrrk? >>30102 > only thing i seen work is ignore I thought the same before all of that soykaf start to happen. > at the end of the day what really changes for you Who knows, maybe tommorow we would lost internet, but yeah.. Thanks for your support, Lain.

>>30107 >and he's a pacifist the problems just keep piling on don't they. Army will cure you of that one, too. >>30106 stop falling for glownigger propoganda, sure people are dieing but its not too many, most of the Ukie claims about how they're gonna kill all the folx they capture seem fake, too. Lots of depressed people die, too.

>>30094 >makes thread >kills other thread >doesn't post this in /vent/ Be grateful you haven't been conscripted to fight* in WW3 against NATO....yet. *die

>>30107 1000+ USD* fix

>>30107 >USA goverment tells us that War is a crime, How dare you! while they have been bombing all the Middle East like Iraq, Syria, or southeast asia for last 50 years. Isn't it just a hypocrite as fuarrrk? It is a hypocrite. Basically evil. Go join the Army lain, we're all rooting for ya!

>>30111 Makes more sense to join no army, since they're all being used as tools of oppression, and they'll provide neither support nor training in the extermination of oligarchs and other rich scumbags. What's the point?

>>30113 >What's the point? obviously to help with his depression, give him something to do. Help him make friends, cure him of his pacifistic tendancies. yadda yadda yadda. You're treading trodden ground lain, actually read the thread next time you post. If he thinks too much like you're thinking he'll be slitting his wrists within the week.

>>30100 lolno russian immigrants are going to be demonized as fuarrrk for the next few years in the west.

>>30115 Just tell people you're Ukrainian, nobody in America will be able to tell

>>30094 How do you tell it's all real when all you see is some images on your computer screen? It all must be fake, modern technology is capable or rendering photo realistic gore and all that stuff, especially judging by the abysmall potato quality of vids, com on it's 2022 and every china phone has like 6 cameras on it's back and films 4K video, but suddenly it's war, and people in warzone have stable Internet connection on top of all that yet all vids and pics do not come bigger than 480p. Do you know actual real Ukrainians who are being bombed right now, did you exchange encryption keys with them in person and do you use a trusted computers to compose and encrypt messages? If not, then it's all too fake, you're talking to bots or human actors on message boards who are trying to deceive you.

Now that every thread even loosely connected to russia is filled with mongoloids from 4chan and paid russian trolls I think I'll be leaving for the next 6months

>>30118 >paid russian trolls where do i apply for this?

>>30102 >Its basically the same soykaf all over the world, why bother. It's really not. I mean, it is, but to varying degrees. Be careful not to fall for the whataboutism trap of thinking that since the problems are everywhere that everywhere has them just as bad.

>>30094 America is using social media to wage a propaganda war while Ukrainians die for them in an actual war. It's not a happy place to be. Spend less time on mainstream social media, nothing good will come from it. The new wave of anti-Russian sentiment is largely manufactured - people largely do not actually blame you or support punishing you. Ukraine is in a bad place. Western countries are projecting the Ukrainian flag onto their monuments, indicating they are at the pretending to care while not actually doing anything to help stage. >>30118 This thread has examples of many different opposing perspectives and ongoing discussions. Go look at twitter or reddit and you'll see what paid trolls and artificial consensus looks like.

>>30121 >people largely do not actually blame you or support punishing you To clarify - I mean the Russian people are not viewed as responsible or deserving of punishment for the actions of their government.

>>30121 >>30122 I haven't seen any of the propaganda putting any blame on the Russian people. MSM is very conspicuously wording it as "President Putin decided to invade" and showing interviews of Russians saying they don't want to go to war. And to be honest the invasion seems to me like a pretty dumb move by a leader who must be going senile. No idea if that's an organic opinion or if the spooks put it there. Maybe they're prepping us for "we must go liberate our Russian brothers"

>>30094 >white conservative Christians with nuclear weapons Russia is one of the last speedbumps remaining on the road to global rainbowflag fascism. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

>>30115 All you have to say is "I defected from Russia because I couldn't bear living under Putin's regime" and westerners will accept you. >>30102 >same everywhere not really. There are plenty of countries that aren't ran by imperialist dictators who get hard violating human rights.

>>30126 >not really. There are plenty of countries that aren't ran by imperialist dictators who get hard violating human rights. He doesn't like Russia, probably doesn't like China if he cares about muh hooman rites, doesn't like NATO and the G.A.E., I mean, what's left, India ? The middle east ? Sub Saharan Africa ? Most countries are either in the orbits of one of those or are soykafholes. Nothing wrong with a soykafhole if thats your thing but the options are not exactly limitless. Even fugging switzerland is piling on against Russia. Maybe Finnland IDK. They don't look that great either at the moment. South america might be the best. Not exactly great but not exactly terrible either. Or the old fringes of the Chinese empire trick.

>>30123 >I haven't seen any of the propaganda putting any blame on the Russian people. MSM is very conspicuously wording it as "President Putin decided to invade" I've seen this, I've also seen things about 'random uni in italy bans dostojevskij', and schools looking at removing ruski students, my local russian grocer has put up a ukie flag and promises to send generous donations to ukraine and stop buying stuff from russia. At least one similar store was broken into and vandalized in Germany, and there's all these posts online in places like prague with restaurants putting up signs about 'no russian allowed'. Hard to tell how much is media hype and how much is real but there's a big part that is real. This is practically the most racist things seem to have been in my memory, its almost like they think the Russians are gypsies.

>>30094 >>30128 First of all you need to stop being depressed. I know that all the anti-russian racism and propaganda is making you feel like there is no hope left and all you can do is to wait and take it, but that's not constructive thinking. Never succumb to this kind of passive way of thinking. You have to think actively. Turn their hate into your own hate. Turn their racism into your own racism. Turn their bias into your own bias. If Westerners hate you - hate Westerners. If Westerners are racist towards you - be racist towards Westerners. If Westerners spread anti-russian propaganda - spread anti-Western propaganda. If Westerners wish to see you dead - wish for their death too. This is the correct way of thinking. Never give up. If you still breathe, you can still fight. The Romans had a saying "Dum spiro spero" which means "While I breathe, I hope". You should too.

>>30094 >>30129 Also remember that the future is bright. After all, there is no brighter future than that which is illuminated by thousands of nuclear fires.

>>30129 >If Westerners hate you - hate Westerners. If Westerners are racist towards you - be racist towards Westerners. If Westerners spread anti-russian propaganda - spread anti-Western propaganda This literally just spreads hatred. If you have to attack back, show how much of a hypocrite someone is. Don't play the same games as they do. The only way to win those kinds of games is to not play

>>30131 >show how much of a hypocrite someone is a lot of the fvggots leading western countries know full well they're hypocrites and don't care. Lies are their bread and lies are their butter; they don't know anything else. the people who follow them have had the hypocracy staring them in the face for years. To assist their noticing of it they've had it pointed out to them ten thousand times and counting. In one ear and out their noses. If they see reason, fine. But don't expect them to snap out of it easily. 'just show how much of a hypocrite someone is' as a strategy has had its run and its failed miserably.

>>30129 >This is the correct way of thinking. >Turn their hate into your own hate. Turn their racism into your own racism. etc >constructive thinking No. It's called being contradictory.

>>30133 >No. It's called being contradictory No. Contradictory would be to love your haters. This is tit for tat

>>30134 Whatever you say. I still don't see how this would make sense to anyone with an IQ above baguette. >Fight fire with fire. If that isn't the definition of counterproductive, then I think someone should change it.

>>30136 >definition of counterproductive yes of course. Someone robs you and you empty your pockets and give them all your bank information. Offer them your clothes as well, why not. Throw in a hug too while you're at it, many robbers don't have the best home lives I imagine. Only way to defuse the situation. Respond to animosity with unconditional friendship and love. Real Kindergarden hours we've got going on here. They shouldnt even teach this soykaf to kindergardeners if you ask me.

>>30139 >Respond to animosity with unconditional friendship and love Yeah, because it's either that or scorched earth. Those are the only two options because otherwise you might not fight the war and that's bad!!

>>30140 aye, simple as. Glad we're on the same page, lain friend.

Putin's kids and oligarch families are all abroad, nobody arrests them, nobody cuts their throats, nobody freezes their assets. It's the babushka in Russia who's the culprit, she should should suffer the consequences, that will show them white supremacist rayciss russkies!

>>30139 >Respond to animosity with unconditional friendship and love. ?? Notice how I said literally nothing of the sort? Cool way to win an argument though. Just make up whatever the other person said.

>>30131 > This literally just spreads hatred. Yes. So what? This is called the reciprocity princpile. You should know that the reciprocity principle is the most sacred moral principle in the slavic world. >>30136 Eye for an eye principle has been in use since the ancient times. You might not like it, but it's an integral part of many moral systems in the world. Including the Eastern European one. >>30132 > a lot of the people leading western countries know full well they're hypocrites and don't care. Lies are their bread and lies are their butter; they don't know anything else. Yes. You have made your first step towards enlightement by realizing this ony our own. You are on the right path brother.

What western country should I move in to leech off welfare and be a street thug? t. russian

>>30119 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

>>30144 >nobody cuts their throats be the change you wish to see in the world, if thats how you feel.

>>30148 Dont bother, west only gives free money to muslims, if at all and soykaf is so bad in most places its not worth moving.

>>30151 he can claim to be a gay muslim chechen dissident.

the real question that needs answering, and maybe OP can help with this, is what advice is there for a westerner seeking to move to i.e. russia/belarus/other aligned countries. Russia has become a cyberpunk dreamland, less google, no zucc, home to everyone's hero Mr. Snowden, etc etc. This creates no doubt a nice opportunity for computer focused types as well, seeking to escape the quickly closing folds of the rainbow curtain the USA and its allies are drawing about themselvs, as Russia and other nations, cut off from the siliconevalley tit, may have greater demand for domestic services.

>>30144 It's a coup. The western mafia is trying to get the Russian people to blame Putin so they can replace him with a more compliant puppet government exactly as they did in Ukraine in 2014 and every middle eastern country that got regime change'd.

>>30144 the US/west leadership are insane, they are more motivated by how they think their peers will percieve them than by any desire for the betterment of their people or the world. They hold alien morals and fundamentally false beliefs about reality. They do not see the majority of their countrimen as their people, but as the enemy. And to top it off they are idiots by and large. Even if you correctly construct their belief system, don't always expect rational behavior from them. They're in a self destructive spiral and it is only going to get worse until they all die. They'd like to take you with them, if they can manage it.

>>30148 >>30151 See, this is the anti-russian racism I was talking about. How can you stand this? If I was in your place I would immediately go and murder bunch of Westerners as a retaliation for this comment.

To be fair there are Fascists in Ukraine. Not same as saying Ukrainians are Fascists. Groups like Azoc Battalion for example. The government doesnt do anything about them because they have a weak military and allow these extremist groups to exist. Russia isn't the only country full of propaganda so you really have no where you can escape propaganda. The whole world is fuarrrked.

>>30144 >Putin's kids and oligarch families are all abroad, nobody arrests them, nobody cuts their throats, nobody freezes their assets. ? aren't dozens of people related to Putin and other members of the Russian government having their assets frozen right this second?

>>30116 Some idiot in my country already attacked some ukrainians for being russian

>>30158 How is that racist, thats the way it is in the west, you only get welfare if youre either muslim, women or mentally ill lgbtbbqwtflol or the "minority" of the day. For the record im cheeky breeky slav pondscum too. >>30161 Guess the jokes on them, this just shows how much further this is gonna escalate, its not the first time and sure as hell not the last time such a thing happens. Not wanting to discriminate against ukrainians, but putin has a lot of (just?) cause to go in there and clean up, its no joke about the neo nazis there being organized and active. Ukraine is a hotbed of criminality and conflict it was about to explode sooner or later and just happens its right in russias front yard, if it wasnt for russians something else would happen, in places like those it always does.

>>30162 I wasn't implying that you are racist. I meant that he is racist towards you. You should be mad about that. You should want to take revenge on his people for that. Why are you so chill about it? Show me your anger.

>>30161 plenty of ukrainians _are_ russian, thats part of the casus belli, for they're percieved to be oppressed. This is a war against racism.

>>30161 There are too many people in the world ready and eager to unleash hatred on any group of people a person in authority tells them it's now okay to hate.

>>30166 it was very apparent with the unvaccinated, it's even more so currently with russians, when will this end? best everyone can do is just be the best version of themselves, if it wasn't for other people who aren't this radically robotic the urge to kill myself would likely have been too strong

>>30168 >when will this end? why should it ever end ? xenophobia and clannishness are very natural. Deep down everyone's a racist, afterall. Trick is just to turn these instincts to productive use, rather than either supress them or use them for evil.

>>30170 >Deep down everyone's a racist That's easy to say if you're racist. It's just the same as when gay people say "everyone's a little gay"

>>30174 >>30170 most people have a gut reaction of distrust/suspicion to people of different races. That's not the same as racism though, just like how recognizing that a man is attractive doesn't mean you're gay.

>>30174 I mostly said it for the lefty meme points. Of course I'm not a racist deep down, its only superficial.

russia is planning to cut the internet off and gave 5 day notice to transfer to .ru domains.

>>30177 [citation needed]

Join a communist party, study Marx, Lenin and Luxembourg. It seems like communists in Russia are actually trying to apply revolutionary theory unlike in west.

This thread has made me a bit sad about the state of the board. If it means anything OP, if you're still here, I do hope that things get better for you. You as an individual do not deserve to suffer because of international politics.

>>30180 What exactly makes you sad?

>>30179 >be ukrainine >getting shelled and bombed in a actual war >dumbass on internet told me to read Marx come on dude pls get some actual perspective, also if you think Russia is still communist your delusional.

>>30178 in all honesty it could be disinfo. But, Russia has been playing around with this idea for awhile now. https://www.techtimes.com/articles/272660/20220307/breaking-russia-to-reportedly-cut-reliance-on-external-internet-with-companies-required-ru-domain-ready-since-2019.htm https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679

>>30187 alternatively, perhaps they've been playing with the idea that the west will try and cut them off

>>30094 I'm in same situation, bro. And I started to lose any hope now. It seems there is no escape for NEET like me... I just don't want to live in this world, especially in authoritarian soykafhole. Also, rope is a quite popular solution for men in Russia.

come to western europe then and see your country being invaded by sokafskins

>>30398 >your country The country of a Russian in France is always going to be Russia, just like the country of a Somali in France is always Somalia. If he goes to western europe, he simply won't see his country.

>>30399 >the country of a Somali in France is always Somalia France is Somalia >flood detected fuarrrrk off

>>30094 > my parents are freaky soviet-fans and they're not scared of isolation, they believe in ''Fascist's Ukraine'' and ''The Defense of Donbass'' Your parents are right. They understand the situation bettert han you do. You should listen to what they have to say instead of trying to get advices from bunch of online GenZ psychopath Westerners.

Regarding ''Fascist's Ukraine'' look up bandera. TLDR is separatists that wanted their own state sided with nazis in hopes of getting that while the nazis were doing well initially and being the fuarrrkwits they were they behaved worse than real nazis. Im from another slavic country and i know from their tales that the older people hated ukraines banderas way before this soykaf happened. So i bet when old folks see this they think of that and think hope these fuarrrkers burn.

fuarrrk every country, fuarrrk every war. When people try to spout their propaganda at you just nod and smile.

>>30422 I really feel like 1984 needs to be mandatory reading in schools. Teach people to recognize where the worlds heading.

>>30425 Most people don't understand 1984, they equalize each new talking head on TV a "Big Brother" without connection to Outer Party analogy, the group of people behind the talking head and further implications. Additionally to understand 1984 reader needs more context and further reading from same author, especially his opinion on Spanish Civil War. As you can see, the intellectual majority understands world better in terms of LOTR (rumored to be allusion on WWI), Star Wars (Dune for comic book generation) or Harry Potter universes. What today we'd call dystopias used to be utopian thought experiments for their time, born in futurist "think tanks", e.g. Bellamy's Looking Back, Zamyatin's We, Huxley's Brave New World. Are schoolchildren (in your country) even given contemporaries' commentary for these works or are supposed to come up with their own based on whatever the course textbook is saying and what they can elaborate out of existing cultural baggage at age 14-15? Author of your picture also did not understand the functionality of telescreen calling it Big Brother for some reason. Telescreens had to have human operators listening and watching in the other direction, and in most cases acting as a psychological deterrent showing an image of Big Brother but not surveilling the area practically, whereas modern computerized voice assistants and video surveillance systems need no human operators, they record and process absolutely all sound since they are machines and machines don't need rest and scale better than human workforce at repetitive task. Better analogies with cybernetic priesthood and rogue wizardry and shamanism exist somewhere, this is the current topic from 70's onward actually.

>>30425 was required reading in my highschool. looking at my colleagues, I don't think it helped exactly. Not sure I 100% agree with >>30433's position but there's clearly something missing. I think its also just worth noting that kids in school have generally a weird and myopic view of the world, in a way that's probably impossible to cure by reading even a very good book. This is getting the thread pretty off course. Do we have any updates from OP ? I still think he's being too depressed and that's his biggest problem.

if knowing was sufficient sugar wouldn't be a problem.

>>30418 >GenZ psychopath Westerners I really feel at a loss, both russia fanatics and the followers of our religion of modernity will tell you something and respond with outrage and disbelief if you don't share their sentiment, like it's the most subhuman thing not to follow their ideology. They keep making themselves feel good by telling themselves how correct they are and morally superior for having the beliefs they have. No one can even neurosuggest ukraine's leaders aren't the saints everyone hails them for, that ukraine had the biggest number of politicians pop up in the pandora papers, that zelensky who frequently masquerades as a "man of the people" has gotten quite deep pockets, without getting accused of being a russian propagandist, spy or general russia sympathizer. When someone makes a negatively connotated observation about the good guys, they are obviously into war and love russia and communism right? "After all someone is disagreeing with me they might as well believe in Satan." This is how they force woke culture and climate feel-bad-aboutism and everything else down everyone's throat too, simply makes me sick. At least it's gotten obvious.

>>30451 >both russia fanatics and the followers of our religion of modernity will tell you something and respond with outrage and disbelief if you don't share their sentiment, like it's the most subhuman thing not to follow their ideology. I disagree that both groups are equally as bloodthirsty or deranged. I don't remember ordinary russians giddily spamming photos of dead ukrainian conscripts on twitter or dehumanizing an entire ethnicity for the decisions of its leaders. and it's ironic that westerners hold the entire russian people culpable for putin's actions (wasn't he supposed to be a dictator?), while they have the privilege of living in a democracy and still knowingly vote in their war criminals.

>>30454 burgers had always lots of mentally ill people on social media. When fukushima happened they gloated about it saying you deserve it for pearl harbor.

>>30097 You glow like fuarrrkin lite brite

>>30101 > we've always been here, and always so shall remain. JFC

>>30105 Search "survivorship bias" you mongoloid

>we're slowly **or not** becoming isolated from other world Imagine, not eating soykaf western fastfood and reading soykaf western media..... boo hoo

>>30458 Not even that, many vets will say its bullshit. Its the minwage job of war. Mercs get better gear&pay. Army is largely idiots who believe the marketing and a bunch of smart who had no alternative to progress in live. And the latter are what tends to use army as a jumping board into mercs or quits entirely after they got they earned their pay to fund a normal life.

>>30454 That's typical anglo wartime hysteria. They managed to do this with German and Japanese migrants during WWI and WWII. Actual internment labor camps. However, there should be civilized limit. Mostly innocent people: a) Russian migrants who ran away from Russia for reasons like Putin and psychopaths who support him b) Foreign students under age of 25 who had no practical say in political process even if assumed it to be democratic Not innocent: a) Diplomats who endorsed Putin and are members of ruling party, most of them obviously. b) Oligarchs aka are best buddies of Britain and USA. Oligarchs are never prosecuted even when they are the main profiteers of war. The utopian scenario is to freeze their assets and auction all foreign property, then divide this money between victims of war on Ukrainian side and Russian budget after Putin and his government is removed. As they say, what's called corruption in Gommunist Russia is lobbying in Freedumbs America. c) Russian migrants who still support Putin from abroad yet hesitate to move back to heckin' based Russia, these most likely to be minor family relatives of one of the above: children, wives, mistresses, cousins-inlaws, edgy soviet Jews, etc. >divide russia's resources and also cheap gas prices :DDDDD t. reddit Haha, wowie oof. Now this has always been the so-called progressive west's true objective, the lumpenprole's mouth speaks truth (paraphrasing New Testament). West does not need strong, democratic and independent Russia, that's an observable fact. And Russia indeed has no external allies, never had. Russia can only trust it's army and naval fleet. And right now there is only Putin's army of underfed conscripts stranded somewhere in steppes of Ukraine for his clique's insane ambitions with barrier troops loyal to Ramzan Kadyrov, who is loyal to Allah (euphemism for Putin) at the border. Here's what a meme Russian politician, leader of "Libertarian Party" has replied to Michael McFaul's tweet shaming Russia's people: https://nitter.net/msvetov/status/1496875283722698754 «Russian people have nothing to be ashamed of. We resisted Putin twenty long years. While Britain handed down titles to his bandits, who robbed us, Russians. While Germany bought Russia's stolen gas from Putin. While USA pursued a Reset[1]» [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset Note the inscription on the symbolic button, it spells Peregruzka which means Overload.

>>30461 >That's typical anglo wartime hysteria. They managed to do this with German and Japanese migrants during WWI and WWII. Actual internment labor camps. However, there should be civilized limit. I never want to hear western liberals lecture me about racism again. Genuinely I'm glad that western countries are getting soykaftier by the day and that the vile, repugnant "people" who live there are losing their freedoms. I'm not even Russian, just how can anyone look at the cynicism, arrogance and hypocrisy of these cretins and not feel total contempt for them?

>>30462 This is where the npc memes comes in. Hypocrisy implies a conscious decision. They don't think. A machine that merely obeys is always honest to its true directive - obey orders.

>>30463 ehh, npc's parrot, but there's somewhere some clique shepherding them, and each and every one of those shepherds is most likely a bit of a hypocrite. >>30459 >Imagine, not eating soykaf western fastfood they already have a dozen of their own micky dees analogs. Nothing of value is lost, but not much of value is gained either on this front. >>30460 >army is bullshit the point there was that it has things to learn, connexions to be made, friendships to be forged, yadda yadda yadda. There's a lot of stupid things in every army I've any familiarity with, but is it going to be that much worse than some office job or whatever wagie / neetlife alternative this guy likely has ? the BS is beside the point. >>30458 There's a certain risk of death. Its higher than a lot of places, but its extremely far from certainty. Your point is dumb. >>30457 >>30456 >they see me postin', they hatin', clearly think I'm brightly glowin' welcome to lainchan of 2022. what a world. Even kalyx joined the army.

>>30459 Why does it have to be government decision instead of mine? >>30467 I trust OP. There is a lot of pessimistic fatalists in Russia. That is a russian mentality. Also there is a lot of consoomers in Moscow. Although it wouldn't hurt if OP will prove his citizenship.

I dont believe OP is Russian. Sounds like it was written by a larping redditor.

>>30463 >They don't think. They do think. They think "who has power and what do they want me to say". Truth and intellectual consistency are luxuries most people don't care about.

>>30475 Thinking implies a critical inspection of cost&benefits. There is literally no benefit clapping while getting led down the asley to the Schafott. Its also pretty self-evident that most are incapable to even understand the implications of policies they clap for. They merely parrot whatever media tells them. Which shouldn't be too surprising if you just look at your schoolmates grades. If they couldn't understand soykaf in school why would they do better later?

>>30476 >There is literally no benefit clapping while getting led down the asley to the Schafott. The benefit is you blend in with the dominant tribe. At the very least you won't be first in line to get raped. At best you might get special privileges. >Thinking implies a critical inspection of cost&benefits. Maybe I oversold it. It's probably more like instinct than conscious thinking. Does that not explain modern politics? The reason most people are such shameless, obnoxious, hypocritical virtue signalers is because they are constantly trying to align themselves with whichever "side" has the most power.

>>30477 Obviously the "tall grass gets cut first" applies but the difference between smart & dumb is gauging correctly when you can speak to take influence, when you cant and when following gets you killed. As being a blind follower gets you killed too. We have historical examples of purges of ivory towers were the academic brownnosers gathered. On the other hand there's a theory of evolution i find compelling due to our war history - dumb tribe beats smart. You need pawns to win the war, if everyone is smart and prioritizes their own survival you wont get anywhere due everyone deserting. This is backed by medieval military history and its the theory why sapiens won over smarter hominids. Its also the history of our education system. Our modern education system stems from prussia which reformed education to deal with to many deserters sabotaging their war. Education was then reformed to create obedient soldiers and this is the model the modern citizen is raised upon as their education style got adopted by the entire west. (maybe other regions too but i dont have knowledge of african/asian education)

I don't think yall should conflate smarts with individualism. Clearly there's situations where some defections could kill the whole group, but the smart person in that case could just as well make sure he's only surrounded by non defective comrades. Maybe in the massive hetrogenous countries like modern USA this doesn't make sense in most situations, hard to filter people, many people are strangers, can't trust average person to not defect, so smart people don't to things that depend on zero or few defections. It doesn't have to be like this.

>>30482 >I don't think yall should conflate smarts with individualism Typical collectivist NPC.

>>30476 >>30480 This right here, its painfully obvious to see everywhere, stupidity and degeneracy is rewarded by the system. They have no need for intelligentsia of any kind, just dumb cattlelike puppets that they can steer effortlessly. The npc stupidity is mechacinically simplistic and almost purely emotional and superficial driven. The more intellectually apt ones sure are capable of malice, but to most common humans the idea of organized mallice is unconceivable. It remains a system of useless moronic meatshield slaves that can be used feed the pigs with a psychopathic manipulative network of managers to setup right conditions for themselfs to gain most out of this.

>>30481 The problem with high tec is you need to reach it and so you get pwned during the low tec stage and never get to see the benefits. And you're right that a team of idiots cant do much but outliers exist. So you get one smart guy lead a team of morons into their dead for the benefit of the group. The dead wont benefit but the group as a whole benefits from the taken over land&resources. This doesnt work when everyone is too smart to risk their ass for the greater good. And then you have the benefit of learning which means you can teach people to be smart or dumb. The extreme cases being feral chidlren - without cultivating natural talent you get nothing. And here is where education amplifies the peon & leadership division. The point of education here is you can train them to be dumb. Education is like installing software. If you give them mspaint they will never compete with people who get photoshop at private school. Even the outliers who make it through are utilized by the system as examples that its possible and merely your fault if you don't succeed so the system is perfect and thus needs no change. This then further got extended to the assembly line principle where everyone worker only gets thought how to behave but not why. The benefit is they can never understand or copy the factory. Old craftsmen learned everything and could go start their own shop, with the new model the worker is a replaceable cog incapable to understand the system he is part of which ensures he can never threaten the company.

>>30095 they're fuarrrking with you anon just ignore it. seriously though that sounds like hell, i kind of understand what you mean and i wish everyone wasnt just a fuarrrking npc

>>30094 Look OP, you simply lack the understanding of the situation. The way you percieve it and understand it is very surface level. You have to look behind the curtains. You don't ask yourself "why". That's where you have to start. Ask yourself "why". Ask yourself "why is this happening?". You only see the hate towars Russians that Westerners display as a side effect of current events. You think of it as a result of propaganda which is in turn a result of the war. That is the wrong way to think about it. You have to understand that the anti-Russian propaganda they flood the media with has been prepared way before the war even started. Heck, they have been spreading anti-Russian propaganda for a long time now, way before the war started. It has only gotten stronger now. They have been waiting for this war. They have been ready and they have only been waiting for an excuse to unleash the propaganda in full. You have to ask yourself "what is their goal?". Let me tell you what the goal most likely is. It is what it has always been: To exterminate the Russian race. Just look at history. Westerners have been trying to wipe out your race for the last 1000 years! Thousand frikin' years. Do you realy believe that something like that could have really change just because we have 21. century now? No. These things don't change. They simply want what they always wanted: They want to remove your race from existence, so they can take over your resources.

>>30495 For someone ostensibly against fascism, you sure talk a lot about blood and soil.

>>30495 >autistic wall of text Nobody cares.

>>30509 Power is all that exists, the only question is who holds it. The future will be colonized with somebody's blood and the soil will belong to that somebody. It won't be you lol "Showing up for the future is fascist!" -Somebody who wants to commit genocide against you and wants you to do nothing to stop it

>>30526 >Power is all that exists, the only question is who holds it. Not you. It's funny how authoritarian weenies always assume they will be the elite SS officers and not the ones getting pushed into the gas chambers. >Somebody who wants to commit genocide against you The only people committing genocide against slavs right now is other slavs. Good job master race.

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also russian pig > You can say: "Just don't check it, lmao" but how can i stop check the news I see it kinda stupid, but whatever. Try just to check it in a minimal way. Add a few sources in your rss-client and checking this soykaf will take a way less time. >But what do I do in general?? Nothing at all. If you might do something, do it. If you're capable of nothing in this situation, you shouldn't piss in your head because of it. Well, probably I'm too rought about it. But, well.. I'm worried about some people from Ukraine. Some of them are close friends, some're just acquaintances. And still, I can do literally nothing about it. Even if I try to commit suicide in front of Kreml' with "Against this bullshit"-poster and film it on a stream. Also as mentioned before, looks like you have depression/anxious. You're all focusing on this soykaf and get stressed. It's like shoot in your leg, doesn't it? Try to forward your attention to something else. If you can't, call the psychiatrist. >>30117 Because I have some mates from Ukraine who I trust to. >>30132 It's kinda lame, but that remember me movie called "Brat"/Брат(Brother) and in the same time quiestrion "how Hohols[/irony] should treat general Rus-pigs". Okey, hypothetically we have some "western hypoctite glitterboys", who could spread lies all over the world. And there're ukrainian peoples defending themselfs and some russians antiwar citizens. What am I about - "Truth with us". We have done nothing wrong. Be kind. Be in a peace with yourself - that's the power. ... Sounds kinda stupid.

>>30102 Oh boy this post aged really poorly. >>30115 Jeez, stop with the victim olympics. I would be more sympathetic if you were actually against the war, but in your earlier post you made it clear that you are for the war and just don't support how poorly it's being carried out. You even denied that there were attacks against civilians and said that the West was evil for starting wars. No soykaf westerners aren't going to like someone like you. >>30456 >>30457 Uh, dude? You're not supposed to use this meme against the russian int agents. They're heckin based and redpilled, we gotta support them! It's only the western agents that are bad. >>30454 If you haven't seen them it's because your eyes are closed (or you're willfully trying to mislead the conversation). Plenty of russians have been posting "roasted piggy" (that's what they call dead Ukrainians) online. Long before 2022 ordinary russians have been referring to Ukrainians as pigs. You've also got russian embassies online calling for the "humiliating death" (yes, this is a real quote) of Ukrainians. You've got state media talking about how the Ukrainian identity has to be destroyed and how the ethnicity does not exist. Meanwhile in the west the worst that you were able to find is 3 tweets that didn't actually lead to any real action.

>>30115 do americans actually care or is it exclusively an online thing? i have barely heard mention of russia irl since the start of this, but online people mention it constantly

>>32553 American here, I hear it commented on every now and then, both just on the street and in conversations I'm part of irl. Traveling around I even see a fair number of ukraine flags around--never saw that before. Not for any country, not in these numbers for sure, outside of weird midestern german cities for the jerry flag. And even that's usually pretty subdued. This isnt subdued. Its definitly something people are thinking about. Bigger than Syria or Libya or any foreign war thing since 9-11 related invasions, I think.

>>30153 another Russian lainon here. First of all: You have to speak Russian. Don't come here speaking something else and expect anyone to understand you. You also have to have some possessions and connections over here because without any you will be pretty much fuarrrked.

>>30518 >Not being able to read some sentences written in English language

>>32566 > "there must be a good reason for the war", "ukrainians are mostly nazis", "the west provoked russia" They are right about all of those things. The Western media is lying to you when they pretend that there are suddenly no nazis in Ukraine. They have been saying the same thing (Ukraine being full of nazis) for years, but now they have suddenly changed their whole narrative. Which means that they have either being lying before, or they are lying now. Guess which one is right... The truth is: THERE IS A GOOD REASON FOR THE WAR. Ukrainians have been massacring ethnic Russians in Donbas for ages. They have been cutting Russian children into pieces with axes and saws, setting them on fire, etc. Russians are only protecting their own people and nobody can blame them for that. If you believe that Russians have no right to protect their own people, then you basically saying that Russian lives have no value, which is actually a view very consistent with nazism, so the whole nazi narrative does makes sense, since Westerners are still holding straight up nazi views when it comes to Russia.

>>32575 You need to be more subtle with you baits anon...

>>30094 >russia's becoming isolated from the rest of the world actually no. russia only gets "isolated" from the western countries which are in rapid decline and will be complete soykafholes in maybe a decade. >Every newspaper is lying it was always like this and always will be. a government cannot function without propaganda, but especially in the modern age there are some few methods to have somehow reliable information. >my parents are soviet-fans there were a lot of good things about the ussr and it was generally a far more humane system than the us. reading your post i'm pretty sure you just have a depression, which is, don't get me wrong, nothing to easy to deal with. try learning new things and get into some hobbies (literature especially helped me through mine). >>32577 not that lainon, but why do normal people like you always scream bait out of the back of their lungs when confronted with unpleasant facts? is it that hard to comprehend that your government is supporting literal fascists or are you just not brave enough to admit that the people ruling over you don't always do the right thing? Either way please go back to 4ch or wherever you came from.

>>32588 He can always burn his property to the ground and salt the earth before he retreats.

>>32588 In that case the reason for the war is that you decided to come in and take my soykaf. Not a very good reason!

>>30180 Agreed. I was glad to find out about Lainchan, years ago. It seemed to be the only place in the chanosphere or adjacent sites wherein people engaged in minimal name-calling or binary Us vs. Them thinking. What changed?

>>32599 this is likely all just soykafy bait but who cares at this point >the war wouldn't happen if the global west didn't nurture yeltsin and his gang of criminals. the cause of the current situation is the west wanting to turn ukraine into a military base against russia, and not yeltsin. that alcoholic is long dead by now and his bloodshed in 1993 doesn't affect the world that much anymore. >i pray to god and wish our military will glass the soykaf out of your biggest cities do you realize that according to your own beliefs you are committing a large sin by wishing death and suffering for millions? you are no better than all those delusional western scumbags who are calling for internment camps for russians.

>>32598 >be the change you want to see How does this stop everyone else being an asshole? This place changed right when the lockdowns commenced in 2020. Too many people with nothing better to do taking out their anger on other people with nothing better to do. The number of posts here that open with an attack on someone's character or intelligence before even beginning a counter argument makes me question the average age of people posting here.

>>32601 >west wanting to turn ukraine into a military base against russia There was already a NATO base on Russian territory in Ulyanovsk in 2010. West won, and Putin's theater is only theater for fools like you. The reason why Ukraine tried to distance itself from Russia is the direct outcome of Yeltsin's politics towards independence of Chechnya and Putin's internal and external terror.Ukrainians revolted against Bolshevik terror and 50 years later were awarded with independence, 30 years they witness Yeltsinite terror and their ancestral instincts kick in. >you are committing a large sin I do not believe in Jewish g*d who calls his followers "sheep" and "slaves". My God is the Man. >>32602 I see complaints of this place being 4chan minor since 2017.

>>32605 >the people of the ukraine are suffering for ultimately the fault of their own and other's leaders. Tale as old as time. It is funny that the war in Ukraine has directly caused what it was supposedly started to prevent. If the Ukraine wasn't a glorified NATO military base before it sure as soykaf is now.

Hey man, fellow Russian. I hope it gets better. What do you do for a living? Working or studying rn? I think its important to learn to approach politics and cultural shifts stoicly. Maybe not taking these things as personally would help. Are you in Msc/Peter or another city?

>>35013 Hello Russian, American here. What are the sentiments there like on the war now? How is day-to-day life, are people struggling for anything? Are there still knockoff McDonalds?

>>35020 Most old people are for it, most millenials are against it, teens 50/50 (mostly decided by gender). The people who wanted to flee did a long time ago, and it's a big amount of intellectuals, proffessionals and just young people with money. Pretty sad. Day-to-day life is completely fine, I don't feel isolated in any way, although weird oppressive laws keep getting approved. In the uni I study at, someone higher up literally told our professors to not allow overt lgbt representation in their art projects, just in case. Working remotely in other countries is absolutely a thing, travelling there sometimes too. Yes, knockoff McDonalds is here to stay and no, I haven't tried it >>35020 >>35020

>>35025 It doesn't surprise me that most old people are for it, my impression from travel channels on YouTube is that many of them long for the Soviet days. Funny that knockoff McDonalds is a thing, it reads like a Yakov Smirnoff joke. Try it for science! Are you afraid of being drafted and sent to fight? If my government tried to send me there I wouldn't go, I don't want to fight for NATO. What are your personal feelings on the war? It isn't surprising that it happened in my opinion, most Americans just parrot the "Putin is crazy" narrative while ignoring our own actions over the years.

>>30094 Pretty close to your case, anon. Can't leave with with parents being seriously sick and some other stuff. In my case, the answer to your case is, quite literally, fuarrrk everything. I've spent the last decade trying to make this place and the world a bit better. I volunteered in homeless shelters and helped other people set up censorship circumvention. I donated to independent media and human rights orgs, the kind that actually do soykaf. I skipped on high-paying job offers to stay in fundamental, but important research and worked on collaborating with Europe and US. I went to protests when they were legal, then when they were illegal, then when they were cracked down upon. With time and effort, I "evaded" Moscow's city-wide facial recognition system. When the war began, I joined a network that helped "relocated" Ukrainians escape to EU. Today, my country sees me as a traitor at best (this isn't new), and the rest of the world sees me as either a coward or a subhuman brute (this is new, somewhat). Today, the pundits on Russian TV spend the time left from praising the apartment building bombings to celebrate the total annihilation of the way of life that people like me used to have. Today, redditors celebrate every measure that cuts imports of medications that my parents require. Today high caliber western media that used to praise the kind of research we do spend time deliberating if I'm more of a mindless orc, a servile worm or a genetically-predisposed rapist. Naturally, the right answer is all of the above. fuarrrk every single one of them. If aliens arrive tomorrow with an express goal of eating all humans, I'll hand them a fork and ask to be eaten last. I used to hope that I'll be able to hurt the smug cryptofascists running my country, to make them watch as everything they sold their soul for turns to dust. I still do, but now I really want to hurt Europe too. Maybe one day I will. The answer to your question is to cut the "we" from your mind. The "we" hates you for being born, and since last year it always will, because that's how human nature operates. fuarrrk the toddlers being bombed, fuarrrk the pilots bombing them and fuarrrk the wailing mothers of either. It takes conscious effort, but, quite literally, this is the only feasible way forward.

>>35039 Actually I shat my pants when my draft letter came, but apparently it was only cuz I was turning 18 and needed to update my documents or some soykaf. But if I wasn't careful I very well could've been drafted against my will at the time. Now I'm at a uni and that gives me security, but I don't know if it'll get worse in that regard, hopefully, it won't. The war affects me personally, I have close siblings in ukraine so the realities of the war are always very close to me mentally (like their apartment and work place getting literally destroyed), but they are relatively secure now. I do agree that americans are bafflingly hypocritical and that NATO is malicious, but the Russian gov ain't no saint either and sure as hell aren't doing this "for the people", you just have to look at the soykafshow right after the announcement and escalation of the smo. Basically, all global superpowers are evil in their own way and don't need to be sided with. >>35048 Really sorry to hear that man :(

>>35049 >Basically, all global superpowers are evil in their own way and don't need to be sided with. If everyone knew this, the world would be a lot better. >>35048 So if I understand correctly, your solution is the great Russian tradition of nihilism?

>>35049 Certainly agreed that there is no good guy here. I just hope that it's resolved soon.

>>35072 uhh excuse me I'm here. I'm a good guy. Don't forget me please. Im sure you can be good, too. Just have to try.

>>35079 That's not what I meant haha, I meant among governments. Of course there are good people everywhere, if common people like us ran things there wouldn't be these wars to begin with

Come to Thailand. There are a lot of Russians in Phuket and I met a few cool Russians. While it's a temporary solution I'm sure you could use a vacation.

>>30097 Don't worry about this lain he's just intensely retarded Move to Canada, New Zealand or Argentina and proceed to ignore the rest of the world >>30164 You are small inside(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf. Always argue in good faith and avoid using personal attacks.)

>>35049 >americans are bafflingly hypocritical What's not to understand? We think liberal democracy is good and authoritarianism is evil. We view the Russian government as inherently morally inferior. As such, when we depose a dictatorship or the French run counter-terrorism campaigns, it can be justified as spreading liberal governance or at least serving the interests of a liberal state. And when the Russians attempt to use military force to prevent Ukraine from joining a liberal-aligned international organizations, it is an affront to the liberal world order and warrants opposition. We aren't that complicated. I am under no illusions that the Ukrainian government isn't corrupt and aggressively nationalist. But I think once the government is incentivized to join and maintain good standing with the EU it will moderate its worst impulses. Thus, I think it is justified for the United States to support the Ukrainian government.

"Happiness for everybody, free, and no one will get away unsatisfied." - Пикник на обочине I regret my Russian is too poor to communicate this quote for you in its origin. If your oblast is far from civilization you can run and hide. I do not envy you. Please lains, ignore this thread, else you will be a moth to a flame war. A reminder that a stranger's delusion is more subjective than either "correct narrative".

>>35490 I think you are badly misinformed if you view American backing of Ukraine as broadly domestically unpopular. A plurality of the American public still supports this policy. At worst, this is representative of a decline from wide support 1 year ago, to a regression to the mean political state of majority party support and minority party opposition. Furthermore, most anti-intervention camps do not stake their position on ideological grounds, but that the policy is simply not self-serving enough to justify its expense. It is not unreasonable for a foreign observer to doubt the competence or long-term wisdom of US foreign policy. Although I am confused as to why you mention Serbia so much, that is regarded in the US as both a justified and successful campaign to stop a wildly excessive sectarian slaughter. Regardless, the point I wished to make is not that US intervention in Ukraine is a good thing, although that is my opinion, but that it is consistent with American ideology and political thought. [sauce] https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-biden-politics-poland-33095abf76875b60ebab3ddf4eede188

>>35501 >Poll Say: Plurality of American Support sending weapons to the Ukraine. Polls are fishy, shouldnt be trusted too far imho. Even still, supposing this is right all it means is nearly but not quite half of americans support an end conclusion, says nothing about the reasons, which are what >>35483 is pretending to elaborate. I don't think this is the case, but if 48% of americans wanted to send weapons to ukraine in the desire that more ukrainians die, that would still lead to this same polling result. >party politics the claim from their data that 40% of dems have high confidence in biden, 19% overall; lol litterally no one but dem's has confidence in him and not even half of them do. >oppose because its not self serving enough. IDK, the people I meet are surely not a random selection but I have met a lot of people who are very frustrated about us involvement in what feel like needless wars. They still complain about the iraq war. Some of these people impressively voted against Trump, the first president in my life time to not start a new war, not once but twice, and become very cagey when you mention this. Maybe they don't honestly present their views, maybe US elections are just rigged and popular opinion doesn't matter, or maybe I am good at finding these people by accident. >y u keep talking bout srbija, is regarded in usa as successful & just! Most Americans in my experience don't remember Serbia, most Serbs remember America, Bill Clinton, and Nato, and not with any fondness. Serbia is but a small country, but it contains approximately as much enthusiasm for russia and Putin as russia itself does. Now OK maybe you say it saved some people; it was still worth it, even if you alienate a whole nation. Perhaps, but did it even do this ? Did it end the war/s earlier or more cleanly ? You have the UN hanging around watching but totally restricted from doing anything but watch thousands of people get killed, you have the Dayton Accords which kinda calm things down for a couple years before it heats up again (before calming down and heating up again lol), you have more nato bombings, more wars, the chinese embassy. End result ? Country still collapses, splits into several more or less ethnicly divided nation states, many people die but not insane number. OK maybe there's a few more muslims in the world and Kosovo probably wouldn't be 'independant' and available to host a large american military base and probable CIA blacksite, so that's important. >the point I wish to make is not that us intervention in ukrain is GOOD but rather that its consistent with american ideology. r u american? From where I sit I can't say that its at all inconsistent with fedgov behavior, but of the people I know there are not many who support the US involvement in the war, and those who do do not do it for the reasons described in >>35483 .