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Russian seems to be everywhere in dark nets, imageboards, and piracy sites. I am thinking about learning it. How much will I need to know to participate in those things?

Bump, in same situation as OP

>>29975 If you want a functional immersion course, for a mere 1500 dollars you can pay for https://melikian.asu.edu/cli with a russian class. Alternatively, there is a syllabus which tells you what competences you need to be able to have by x weeks of study, and the textbook is a free website. I'll let you do some research by yourself since it seems like OP has started a bit of a dumb question thread that didn't really need a thread unless it was linguistically oriented or about learning russian itself. If you can't into learning a skill for yourself, you can just translate complete pages using internet tools.

Absolutely soykafty OP, but since I am interested in the language myself I am still replying. I have never learned a language out of school before, so I am not sure where to start. For russian, obviously one should start with the cyrillic alphabet, but from there on there are too many options and I am paralyzed by this variety. Things I considered: >books Probably my best bet, but not too much fun. I like that you don't need anything else for it and it is probably a solid base. Not sure if I should pick one in my mother tongue or in english. >language learning apps Most of those seem to really overcommercialized, also they usually simplify things to a really high level, so that you don't even know any grammar and just remember phrases you heard. Easy to get started but I guess its not what I want. >irl course I consider doing something like what >>30012 recommended, I would probably even get it paid by my boss if I went to russia for a course. I'm not sure what the prerequisites of such courses are though, if it makes sense to work through a book prior to it or if I should go there with zero knowledge to get a good headstart and continue learning afterwards. There's of course also video courses and stuff like that but I don't really see the benefit over a book with that.

There is this absolutely autistic Japanese learning system that involves heavy use of dictionary software and some other scripts to watch subtitled video for example. Can't remember it's name or webpage. I somehow managed to save this thing only and it doesn't seem to point back anywhere: https://github.com/ripose-jp/Memento/

>>30013 >For russian, obviously one should start with the cyrillic alphabet, but from there on there are too many options and I am paralyzed by this variety. Start it like this >1. Learn the alphabet, and have a good strong foundation in it (this means you wont have to hesitate or look up what each letter is or how to say it). For this I would recommend a workbook. Either copy all of the pages, or get another notebook and just write the letter over and over reciting its translated meaning/pronunciation aloud over and over. Do this every day until you have it down. Also don't necessarily do it in order every time like A-B-C... etc. >2. Move on to simple phrases like hello, greetings, statements of possession, activities while focusing on a natural development of grammar through associating simple statements into progressively complex phrases. This step is where you need to focus on pronunciation. As for software, and apps I would recommend the following regiment: >For pronunciation use pimsleur, they come in either a digital subscription format/app, CD/MP3 download, or you can even find old cassette tapes either at your library, book stores, or online. This is all audio with no books to accompany I'm sure since they are CDs, someone has probably made a torrent, but you wouldn't download a car, right lain? >For phrasing, some apps are quite nice. Duolingo had a very basic skill set (lessons are not advanced beyond basic travel/living phrases), but it's gamified so you get points and awards if you are the kind of person who is into that. While it is a bit gimmicky for some, it does teach you pattern recognition and it is free. Babbel s a bit more professional but plagued with DLC that needs to be paid for so I would not recommend it. The other option for an app would be mango, which you can get free with a library card in many places as a function of a library membership (because who needs books, amiright?). Mango also has placement tests which allow you to see how advanced your grasp of a language is. Some of the lessons can seem a bit dry, but for an app it can be free, and it has fairly advanced language practice which you can supplement book knowledge with. >For grammar and vocabulary use textbooks, buy them used or new. I cant really recommend one or another, but I am sure someone can point you towards their book of choice. >For familiarity watch movies, shows, music, and news in the language. Supplement this with reading articles that interest you, or that you know about which will allow you to build familiarity with what you already know and allow you to improve using context clues. You can even find subbed and dubbed anime if you are a filthy degenerate who likes Chinese finger paints. You can also do paid live-chat tutoring/conversing (there are free chats too, but you get what you pay for) If you are that desperate to learn a language, look at a local college and take an intro class to give you the basics. Even in the US, it wont be more than a few hundred dollars. Many places even have language academies where you pay for either hourly lessons, or do lessons a few times a week. Alternately look for free lessons in you area by churches or cultural groups. >>30019 This seems interesting, because why make learning easy when you can make it as hard as possible?

So i learned reading russian playing pirated games as a poor user immigrant kid. Was english voice on russian text and after first game i could already read at the pace of maybe 5min for a page. Obviously your vocabulary will be influenced by the game - you will learn what a hyperdrive in russian is but not a fork but because its interesting its easier to stay on it. Also seconding learning the alphabet with a cyrillic- latin table just like you learned multiplication table for the first 1x1 to 10x10 by memorization. Once you got that in the rest flows rather easy.

>>30033 I will probably try this with math and programming books. To bad RE4B is paywalled now

>>29975 If you are serious about studying, i can help you to practice as I'm Russian. Would like to improve my spoken English but dunno how to go about it

>>30033 >learning the alphabet with a cyrillic- latin table Actually, you should just start writing ASAP. Start with individual letters and quickly move to writing words (also use flashcards).

Practice, practice, practice. Основной способ выучить любой язык.

>>30222 How can I say, "you have nice boobs, do you need a visa?"

>>30223 У тебя хорошие сиськи, тебе нужна виза?

>>30223 [Oo tebya khoroshie siski, tebye noozhna viza?]

>>30224 >>30225 Excellent. I am ready to go hunting now.

>>30226 Women are running from war and dictatorship through becoming sex slaves. What a fuarrrked times we have a chance to live in!

>>30227 You mean since the dawn of civilization? None of this is new.

>>30227 >marriage is the same as sex slavery Found the feminist.

>>29975 to be honest better start learning chinese

>>30232 In this case it is though.

>>30233 I first want to specify I know the difference between chinese and mandarin, but I'm just going to call it chinese because it's more recognizable Chinese is only really applicable when doing international business, good Chinese internet forums are practically non-existent because of very strong know your user website policies and heavy censorship in Mainland China For example, for WeChat, the chinese all-in-one social media, you not only need a Chinese phone number, but also a referral from another current user of WeChat The language is also substantially more difficult to learn in my opinion, while for Russian you have the ability to translate over letters and sounds, for Chinese you have to learn radicals, phonetics, and strokes for writing, and then for speaking and typing you have to learn pinyin, or if you want to have a lot of fun, use the Wubi hua or wubi zixing. Those are stroke based and radical based respectively, but are mainly used by native Chinese speakers

>>30235 There's also Taiwan, you know that? PTT for example, seems decent enough.

>>29975 Если нужен собеседник для практики языка, то готов болтать с тобой. Мне бы хотелось иметь знакомых иностранцев, расспрашивать об особенностях жизни за границей, рассказывать о том, что происходит в России.

>>29975 >>30601 >>30601 Если захочешь написать, tеlegram: @nullptrrrr

>>30235 >There are regional dialects of chinese >There are State dialects of agreed on chinese

>>30270 我知道，但是，我们为什么现在讨论中共省份？啊啊啊 jokes aside, I have heard about PPT and tried lurking them, but never got into it because I am not proficient enough in reading simplified mandarin, much less traditional characters In my opinion, simplified is much more practical to learn if you want to learn more than just speaking. It's also more valuable since the vast majority of Chinese speakers use simplified However, it varies from person to person with their priorities, so that's just my recommendation as a filthy guilao ;) >>30604 Chinese dialects are complicated, and i'm no expert in linguistics, but i'll give it a shot there are around 7 or so main dialects, with sub dialects that are sometimes not even intelligible with other sub dialects under the same dialect Simplified or Standard Chinese is the official language of the PRC and the lingua franca, meaning you normally speak your local dialect only locally but if you go to other parts of the country you speak Standard Chinese

>>30609 What the fuarrrk is simplified chinese?

>>30680 Mao ze dong wanted to simplify the chinese writing script, for among other reasons, to make it easier for people to become literate since china was a very agricultural society with high illiteracy it greatly simplifies complex characters for example 廣 to 广 or 藝 to 艺 and many more

What's a decent russian-speaking online community? Perhaps an entry point into the russian internet in general? I ain't going into soykaf like rebbit

>>30986 What do you mean by "decent"? Userbase or discussion/ethics level? These criterias are straight opposite to each other.

>>30986 http://dobrochan.ru/

>>29975 learning the alphabet is easy. it's the pronunciation and grammar that'll fuarrrk you up. still there are harder languages so it's not impossible by any means

Привет из Нижнего Новгорода, аноны!)

>>30986 https://iichan.hk/

Привет анонам лэйнчана, вот вам гифка Балтики

>>31600 declensions are only hard if you don't understand cases and prepositions in English, if you have half a clue you can draw the parallels before very long

Just learn the alphabet by yourself, then start writing the cursive stuff to memorize words, phrases, etc, then study the pronouciation, and then study the grammar, after that you will just need another speaker to practice it. that's how I learn languages, oh and also you should hear a lot of comprehensible input while doing this, specially in the background it does help a lot.

Poshol na huy, peedoraseena))))))))))))

>>30986 Конечно же нульчан, блеадь!

>>32057 Ну и где сейчас твой нульчан?

Русский хуйня, хотел бы я никогда не знать этого язык

>>32070 Кажется, твоя мечта уже осуществлена.

>>29975 I think its not that necessery. Just talk in english or используй переводчик.

Kelvinchan on I2P wants your opinion, anons. Discuss.

>>32052 Kolchepeezdyook, pret))))))))))))))))

>>32113 People who want to restrict free speech are the people who have nothing interesting to say.

>>29975 >dark nets Not really, only for CP >imageboards Yes for russian language websites, but not really in other cases. There are more Japanese and Spanish imageboards. >piracy I'm sure you could find some pirated content in russian if you went out of your way to look for it, but it's definitely not a sizeable minority.

>>29975 Learning any language takes years... decades. You can't just do it over night. If you really want to learn any language it will require some serious dedication and perseverance. Just keep at it and don't give up. I believe in you OP.

Just use google translate Russian language probably too hard to learn. It will take a long time to learn it

>>32695 this but personally when it comes to online translators I prefer "DeepL"

Is russian netspace really that interesting? I've learned Cyrillic and start to grasp reading but moved on to learning rust for now. They have 2ch, vk groups, lolifox, what else Do they know something we don't? Are the russian internet users indoctrinated by the religion of progress which is the dominant in American empire or do they have some separate and individual spirit/ mindset that would be worth getting to know?

>>32749 >They have 2ch, vk groups, lolifox, what else That's a cancer of the rus internet. >what else I prefer not to spell some boards, but there's something else: bashorg.org / nyash.org, LOR. A large pony community. Etcetc. Suddenly I remembered about nanoboard what is russian project about decentralized imageboard which lives above/among normal AIB >Do they know something we don't? Sure, but not telling ya.

May be indeed you should try lurk there. I do not have much faith in it but may be it is possible to find something there. You can tell us later what you found.

>>32695 As a person who speaks Russian, Russian is really complex. Each noun has up to 12 forms: six cases in the singular and plural. It is most difficult for those who do not have cases in their native language and do not affect the structure of the word

>>37858 as an autist this seems right up my alley

If you see an attractive white woman on the internet, there's a high chance she's Ru/Ukrainian

Can some russialain say what the online russian culture is like? In places like imageboards but also other niche things that revolve around science/math and literature if that's a thing in currentyear. Is it similar to everything else because of globalism is a disease and every country is the same? Or do I have some hope about getting baited by russian literature (obviously only translations for now) into wanting to learn more about the language and culture?

>>38594 >Can some russialain say what the online russian culture is like? Currently it is poisoned by politics, just as in the West. Indienet in Russian is next to nonexistant, except maybe for niche technical topics (for excample, there are some high-quality forums for control engineering and electronics, at least those I know of), the rest stays within social networks. Imageboards are meh as well, there's 2ch.hk where /b/ and /po/ are absolutely degenerate (not unlike 4chan tho), smaller topical boards may or may not be decent enough. The owner is a known FSB snitch. Then there are some small boards like Dobrochan, but they're, well, small and slow. Not a problem though if you've got used to Lainchan's posting speed. Younger generation is totally fallen to the same globohomo stuff popular in the normal personnet - tiktok, twitch, twatter, telegram, discord etc. Exactly what you expect. Now for the good online stuff that happen to originate from Russia: torrents, private WoW servers with older expansions, dashcam crash compilations, the local game of Go community.

Learn the alphabet using Duolingo. It's free.

>>38604 I wish other parts of languages were easy to gamify like the alphabet is.

I'm learning Russian because I'm dating a Russian woman. I've dabbled in some other languages throughout my life such as Japanese, Hindi, and Esperanto. Russian is way harder. It has all the things that don't make sense about English, and then it also has gendered nouns, verb endings that differ depending on who the subject is, different ways of speaking to people based on their age relative to yours, and all kinds of other things that complicate the language. It's also not phonetic, despite what some learning resources will try to teach you. If you really want to learn Russian, you better be prepared to take the learning process seriously.

>>38615 The vowel reduction etc. is a pain but pretty consistent. I recommend going through at least the first level of Pimsleur audio lessons (30mins/day) and noting words you're not.sure how to.spell so you can.look them up later and get a sense of it. I can upload somewhere.if you can't find it. Noun cases are weird but not too hard to get used to if you have a solid understanding of who is doing what in an English sentence. The hardest part I've found so far is simply usage. Every time I think I know what words to use to say something in Russian, some native speaker pops up to say that well ackshually we would use this other word/phrase that appears to mean the same thing but is different because fuarrrk you. So in this sense it is at least very similar to English.

Hello. I just wanted to share this nice resource, a book called "Cursing in Russian with Lenin, a beginner's guide to мат",by Mark Pettus. I figured you pople might like it.

>>30224 Пиздатые сиськи, хочешь визу?

SUKA NAHUY BLYAD EBAT TOO LUCY >>29975

Возможно это последнее пристанище в интернете для русских. livejournal мёртв, 2ch стал помойкой (мёртв), в телеграм работают федеральные власти, он слушается 24/7, считают мнение каждого. Всё это похоже на геноцид. Русские, вы тут? Где у вас сегодня принято общаться?

>>39502 ИРЛ, весь интернет ныне — гулаг.

>>39502 Понимаю тебя Лэйн. Меня тоже беспокоит вся эта бодяга. Давно ушла из всех возможных двачей, видимых и скрытых. Здесь и быть нам, наверное, лэйноны классные. Жду еще перезапуска 420chan.