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A US-China Nuclear War

Unknown · 2021-10-06 14:08
A quick stroll through Reddit will be rife with posts of a possibility that Taiwan and the US could face a nuclear war with China. Granted, Reddit exaggerates on r/worldnews, but let's analyze something closer; China dominates the conductor chip industry and market. China cutting of the supply of semiconductors would devastate the world. The computer you're on, the phone in your pocket, the server this website is on, and the keyboard I stroke these words on right now are all made with Chinese chips. So thus raises the question, >are there any open source chip sets and open source chip instructions? How can we break our dependability from the US, Europe, and China, as well as corporations like Intel and AMD, and create our own chips? Will the likes of RISC-V ever be a practical alternative? >pic related, info regarding RISC-V specifically
fsociety · 2021-10-06 14:20
>Taiwan and the US could face a nuclear war with China Fantasy. Don't expect much more than a cold war. Chip supply is strategic but a bleeding country can still bite. Your citizens can starve but no one will attack you if you have a nuke - this is what nukes are for. >are there any open source chip sets and open source chip instructions? Libre SoC https://libre-soc.org/ ISA doesn't need to be strictly free as far as documentation is available. No one gives a fuarrrk about "intellectual property" during a war.
Jet Black · 2021-10-06 15:44
>>28558 >No one gives a fuarrrk about "intellectual property" during a war. If only that was the case all the time instead... Libre-SOC & OpenPower seem more likely to result in truly Free hardware than RISC-V at this point, given the RISC-V Foundation's blatant favoritism for commercial entities.
Acid Burn · 2021-10-06 20:29
>>28557 >A quick stroll through Reddit will be rife with posts of a possibility that Taiwan and the US could face a nuclear war with China. I don't give a damn what those idiots on Reddit think. Don't even mention them here. >The computer you're on It was manufactured in Taiwan, not China. >the phone in your pocket I don't own a phone, but Samsung is Korean, and a major manufacturer of them. >the server this website is on This could be an Intel server for all we know. >are there any open source chip sets and open source chip instructions? Look at the ice40 FPGA. >How can we break our dependability from the US, Europe, and China, as well as corporations like Intel and AMD, and create our own chips? That's dependency on; the US has been working hard on breaking its dependability. It will require transistor manufacturing to become simple enough to happen in the home, or communes. While the idea of using readily-available printer technology to create computers is cool, and there seems to be interest in designing transistors that can be printed like this, it seems far away in the future. >Will the likes of RISC-V ever be a practical alternative? RISC-V is nothing but some academics masturbating to their delightfully useless design. Imagine starving people, and some idiots talking about their beautiful seating arrangement, which also happens to only provide room for chopsticks, a fork, and a bowl. Most people only need chopsticks and bowls, they'd say, so this is fine. Why have a fork? Well, they like forks. What about spoons and knives? Those are an extension, so go sit somewhere else.
Yamaoto Toshi · 2021-10-07 17:11
>>28557 The important fact that you are missing is that the majority of the world chip supply is manufactured in Taiwan, not china. China controls very little of the world chip supply because they aren't being given the technology to manufacture low nm (-5) chips like we have in the west
The Phantom Phreak · 2021-10-07 17:44
>>28557 >let us make use of analysis >step 1: something china >step 2: theres chips in it somewhere >step 3: ????? >step 4: nuclear war(maybe) >solution to nuclear war: google search "how to DIYing chips in my garage" OPs first attempt at geopolitics isnt going very well
Cat Mother · 2021-10-07 18:47
>>28571 Kek, quality summary, doc.
Liet Kynes · 2021-10-08 08:12
>>28557 I would be far more worried about the global economic collapse followed by endemic instability and minor but present potential for ww3 this would involve rather than worrying about computer chips, Also ROC makes most of the silicon you're thinking of, not the PRC, so it won't be an embargo that would cause your shortage, it would be the PLA rolling up on Taiwan and the Taiwanese likely rolling over rather than being liquadated en masse when the Americans give the situation up. If the ROC somehow managed to repel or contain an invasion you would see capital flight out of the country as the last batches of silicon produced would be put on boats along with as much of the production hardware as possible and ferried out before the naval blockade of the straits that the US is basing its strategy in defence of Taiwan in breaks down. The disruption to the silicon market would depend heavily on how much general bombing the red Chinese do while invading and how quickly the blue Chinese give up, given the value of and Chinese dependance on the very same fabs you're talking about they would probably try to leave them as untouched as possible.
Splicer · 2021-10-08 11:15
us would not do soykaf even if someone were to nuke on of their states
Arisu Mizuki · 2021-10-08 19:24
>>28576 >given the value of and Chinese dependance on the very same fabs you're talking about they would probably try to leave them as untouched as possible. I've read that the TSMC factories are rigged to explode in the case of such an invasion.