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What do you consider "winning" at life?

>>28369 While you won't find a definitive all encompasing answer, I think that if you look back at the last 5, 10 years of your life and said to yourself both that you are happy with them and you are happy where you are going, you are doing something right.

>>28369 fing some cute femboy in the ass

>>28369 Your thread is low effort but the cute pic made me reply. For me winning at life means doing what I want to do.

>>28372 Don't confuse low effort with simple. The focus of this thread is on the users answers.

>>28373 This is what OP should look like: >What do you consider "winning" at life? >I consider winning to be X. >I'm asking because Y. This is the minimum IMO.

Living life like life is to live is to win at life. Come and try to take my life, the mere fact that I am still living means I have won and you lost. せえてぇ こぺ だえいあれつ

having peace of mind. words words words words words words words words words words words words words words

Being good at what you are mentioned to do for surviving liking to do what you are doing for surviving having skills that are really uncommon, and kids that just left university can't gain in just months - your own craft Accomplishing something that would make people jelious and feel smaller than you when this is mentioned. Having someone who care, and who you care about. //------ It's my own goals that I written down when I got 28, 2 weeks ago I turned 29. And I accomplished 3 out of these

>>28370 >>28377 These, but I would add having a choice on whether or not you deal with other people's bullshit. Take my father for example. He is happy with his life (allegedly), likes his family and likes his work. He also has a significant amount of money. However I don't consider him to be a winner of life because he is a director of a car parts manufacturer, he has to deal with an insane amount of bullshit every day and he literally doesn't want to live without that corporate lifestile. He says that he is not stressed but the fact that he drinks himself to sleep in the afternoon almost every weekend makes me have some doubts on that.

>having sex >having net worth above one million >not being total dumb fuarrrking loser with no ability to interact with others

>>28369 This is winning at life >>28374 This is losing at life

>>28385 Yeah, low-effort soykafposting really is the quintessence of winning at life.

>>28369 having goals, working towards them, achieving them. improving yourself every day. That's winning for me. I am losing hard in that regard.

>>28369 If I can leave my parents house it will be a win

being in a position where you don't have to spend all your time doing menial bullshit for money

>>28369 Winning is when you find happiness. If you aren't happy, you aren't winning.

The war against babylon wont be won unti all them wheels are burned,l the last fortress is burned down, their last soldier sent back to hell. No man can truly be free on earth until there are no borders and nobody can tell us where or how we are to live. This system is a cancer and we must fight it from within to make it out to the next age.

>>28369 Conquest since that is what nature is about as well as leaving behind a legacy such as offspring. Conquest does not just have to be about killing others but about enduring and overcoming hardships. Plus I believe in bloodline reincarnation whether it be through one's own direct descendants or the descendants of a first cousin due to common ancestry and genetics.

If you're winning in life, something's wrong with the scoreboard.

I'm candyflipping over at my friends place in a short while. All important responsibilities that would hinder me to trip freely are already dealt with. I"ll call it a win.

>how do you win an RPG MOBAnigger, please.

Escaping your hyperrealities. Securing basic human needs in a way you find satisfying. Determining your own life.

>>28369 >What do you consider "winning" at life? i guess i'd consider "winning at life" to have at least started a family, if youre capable of doing so. also maybe be able give your life to something you believe in, something bigger than you, something that speaks to you. to die for a cause you believe in...thats noble, fulfilling. something that can make you be remembered, even. the most important question with these are these two questions: what is worth dying for? and is starting a family something i could do? these are the questions that will ultimately have to be answered, at some point. and im not sure what the answer will be.

Satisfaction I guess, knowing if life ended you wouldn't feel like everything was a waste. I guess having children is the cheatcode and that's why in modern times, where the youth is encouraged to not have children due to population or because it's already hard to achieve your goals as it is, we all seem to be a bit more clueless and directionless. I have no idea how to reach that satisfaction state, because I have never seen myself having children.

I think winning in life is not having trauma from life and not looking at yourself as a loser. I know it's bad answer to say being a winner is not being a loser, but there are a minimum amount of things you need to experience in your life to feel normal, and if you don't you definitely feel like a loser. It also very much depends on social norms or social perceived norms.

>personal satisfaction >achievement of long-term goals >good health and appearance >complete financial and social independence >enjoyment of surroundings If I had to break it down it would be that

To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

I have no idea, but I definitely lost

>>28425 Settle down Conan.

When I eventually am on my death bed, I want to be able to say I've done my best. Even if I wasn't successful with what I seeked to accomplish in life.

>>28431 To add to that, my goal is to leave behind a world better than the one I live in. Especially in terms of privacy, surveillance, online rights and the environment. I'd like to think there is no underlying selfish reason for it, but I don't know myself.

>>28432 >my goal is to leave behind a world better than the one I live in your actions largely either have no effect or an unpredictable effect on this goal.

I would say that I have won if I feel satisfied at the end of my life.

stability and a accomplishment of one's will. if not that then a general happiness. a general sense of peace and contentment.

What do you consider "winning" at physics?

>>28435 >your actions largely either have no effect or an unpredictable effect on this goal. The idea that somehow world famous writers, physicist, military generals, etc had absolutely no effect on history is kinda a weird one. Not that you need to be one to change the world. Even doing something local that impacts lot of poeple can bring smiles to countless people. Hell, if no one on image boards, which are poeple I'll never know the name or face of, didn't try talking about digital privacy I would be clueless about it too. >>28544 I guess doing solid research or building some new technology?

Accomplishing your own goals. Do not confuse this with "doing whatever you want". A lot of people don't really have any goals, therefore they give in to their wants. Their lives are filled with temporary highs and distractions. I speak from a position of experience, as this is something i struggle with.

>>28369 NEETbux and living in your own room with a group of like minded individuals while maintaining a badass battlestation. Living online, fapping to prime material, and accessing the wonders of the world at your fingertips. The alternative to this is to live on a NEET farm away from society once it crumbles to pieces.

>>28547 >A lot of people don't really have any goals, therefore they give in to their wants. Their lives are filled with temporary highs and distractions. I wonder how prevalent (or generalizable, for that matter) this condition is in the wider population of the West. To me it seems like this applies to most people , for it is mighty rare to meet such people who have made their careers into their vocations, are religiously inclined (to be religiously devoted but also reasonable all things considered) or are committing their whole life into their pursuits (and no, I'm not talking about those kinds of pursuits that are done solely for monetary profit, because there are people who have to work from dawn to dusk just to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table, all of which is just part of the usual daily grinding but only cranked to the extreme).

>>28594 Then again, I'm only speaking from my own restricted personal point of view (accompanied by a mind highly reductionist pessimist inclined one at that), so I have no idea to what extent these kind of long-term "master plan-ey" goals that people may or may not have factor in to their daily work-grind life, and how much of (and how intensely) these goals they are pursuing outside the grind behind closed doors and in their private lives.

>>28593 > live on a NEET farm Wtf? How do you farm NEETs?

My definition of "winning'' is that everyone and everybody is pissed at me. (I live in their minds free rent)

Opting out of most of the botnet since 14 y.o., maybe?

>>28369 finding happiness

>>28596 I think that Lainon means a commune of NEETs.

>>28369 Being neutral: I want to resolve the psychological pain I have now, and I want the freedom/stability to read and write. That is enough for me.

Spending your life in as much leisure time as possible without having to work This can be done two ways: go full ascetic, normal person FIRE, or NEET. Full ascetic is good because you can do that right now. Go find some type of monastery that'll accept you and just go full monk mode. However, if you are agnostic/athiest then this isn't really an option. It would suck to give up all your material possssions to try and reach Nirvana only to realize 10 years later that all this ascetism will result in nothing and you might as well have gone full hedonistic with your life anyway. FIRE (financial independence and early retirement) is good for normal people but it is like kicking dead whales down the beach in a few ways. First, you have to spend the prime of your life working. That sort of defeats the purpose of striving to not work, but how else will you make enough money to retire? Next, you have to hope that the stock/housing market doesn't crash or you're SOL because you need to invest to build the money. Still, if you find yourself wageslaving then you might as well follow this movement; nothing wrong with learning how to manage your money better and minimize costs. Last is going NEET. This is also problematic. First, you need to live in a premium first world country like one of the Scandinavian ones or Switzerland that'll let you get away with this soykaf. As an American, I'm SOL here. Second, disability checks are probably not enough to sustain you unless you have supporting family, and families that will support NEETs are few in number. Third, most NEETS live unhealthy lives cooped up in their rooms. I don't know why NEETdom is correlated so heavily with such lifestyles—personally, if I was a NEET I would spend all my time reading, writing, and going to the local parks—but I suspect that there is a causality. I doubt such an healthy shut-in lifestyle is desirable. So there you have it. I just don't want to work but I don't know what to do. I'm not going to join a buddhist monk commune because that's insane and I'm too much of an nihilist to truly believe in nirvana (I still meditate, though...). I'm not going to go NEET because even if I had the support and the proof to show I have a disability (which would be difficult as I've graduated from college and hold a full-time job), being an American NEET would be a miserable life. Lastly, I'm stuck wageslaving, wasting away my youth while my investments are going to soykaf. Is there no way out of wage labor hell except suicide or what? My job is actually a good job that pays well with good supervisors, but jesus christ I can feel a little part of me die everytime I sit down at my desk to waste more of my precious life on stupid soykaf. What the fuarrrk do I do Lainbros?

>>29657 Sounds like your job isn't as good as you say it is, if you want to dedicate your life to the avoidance of work. I don't want to tell you how to feel, but think about it a little. Is it really that good if you feel like your desk is killing your soul? Perhaps you need a new career, maybe you hate desk work. Put some thought into it, I felt the same way until I had a year-long burnout and realized it was work-related.

>>29714 The problem is that I've thought about changing work but nothing works out. Here are all my thought processes: >Grad School Route First, Academia, at least in the USA, is a blatant pyramid scheme that should be avoided at all costs. Second, getting a PhD means a huge opportunity cost loss for income and makes no sense from a financial POV. Third, I don't want to get a Masters just so I can go work another desk job that will probably be just as soul-sucking because, news flash, I hate work in all its forms. If we lived in a sane society where work was still necessary (arguable), I'd love to be a research professor, but the current system we live in doesn't incentivize that route. Even then, professors have horrible work-life balances which is unacceptable. >Field Work Route I used to have dreams about being a commercial pilot. Sounds much more fulfilling and exciting than a desk job, right? Well no; it's still a job. Commercial airline piloting is a terrible job unless you're lucky and at the top (similar to Academia). Monetizing piloting just seems like it would make it soul sucking and I'd begin to hate it and regret leaving my high-paying job. No, I'd rather get my private pilot's license and try to retire early so I can go fly in my free time for the sake of joy, not the sake of money >Teach English in foreign countries This is the “I don’t give a fuarrrk anymore” route and I respect it. Go to a foreign country, work 20 hours a week to make ends meet, and live a life of wandering. However, I’d imagine the terrible pay will get old quickly, and terrible pay = having to work longer because you don’t have any savings. Plus, it’ll be a waste of my engineering degree. >Entrepreneur In capitalism, the system is designed for the capitalist, not the wage-laborer. So it makes sense to go do the capitalist route, right? Not quite. For one, running a successful business is going to take a lot of hours. It’s going to take long nights and weekends to get your business to the point where you can survive off it. And there’s the stress; what happens if your business fails? How are you going to manage employees, customers, etc.? Not to mention it’s a risky venture—the vast majority of businesses fail. In every small business I frequent—e.g., guitar lesson store, muay thai dojo, and locally owned restaurants—I notice that the owners work ridiculously long hours and probably don’t make more money than me, especially on a per hour basis. Really this route only makes sense if building a business is your passion. It’s not mine. (P.S. Most “entrepreneur types” are terrible people and I don’t want to be like them.) >Digital Nomad This is an attractive route, but I still don’t think it checks out. Sure, you can be working from some tropical beach in cheap Mexico, but guess what: YOU’RE STILL WORKING. Your setting isn’t going to change the fact that you are likely working a soulless tech job. Plus, what about friends, family, and community? As a typical introverted lainon, that will be especially difficult in a foreign country. On another note, I’m two years out from my aerospace engineering where the programming I did was more computational and research-orientated (e.g., MATLAB, FORTRAN, and a little Python)—i.e., completely useless for tech jobs. So to get a proper digital nomad job, I’d have to spend a lot of off hours learning tech, doing side projects, beefing up my linkedin, applying to jobs, etc. etc. just so I can do my soulless job from Mexico or whatever. My job is already “nomadic” already but I have to stay in the USA—that said, I imagine that’s true for many jobs anyways. I will leave with a caveat that if one has the skillset for a digital nomad job, then I’d say go for it because you can probably build up a lot of savings by making USD while paying third-world prices. (P.S. why does it seem that most digital nomads are annoying dicks?) To sum up, work is work. Work is like kicking dead whales down the beach. You can’t escape work by working; it doesn’t make sense. The only solution is to not work; I went over paths to do this in my last post. Yes, my job is soul-sucking, but what job isn’t? My pay-per-hour is good, I have good benefits, I don’t have to worry about not having a job as long as I meet my quota, and I have relatively ample free time because my bi-weeks are capped at 80 hours (that isn’t to say that the 40-hour work week isn’t archaic and that we don’t need reform).

Getting what you want without actively messing up other people's lives to get there.

>What do you consider "winning" at life? idk, probably something to do with having a high social standing. It holds little interest to me. >>29657 >>29717 You seem to be mixing up different kinds of work. Creative work, that is work for the purpose of doing something clearly necessary(like fixing your car), or with your friends, or just because you feel a creative urge, is nothing like drudgery, which in turn is nothing like physical labor. Whether you get paid a decent wage is almost orthogonal to what kind of work you're doing... the jobs with the most drudgery tend to be the lowest paying, oddly enough. I've done all three and various mixtures of them, I can say with confidence that drudgery is the worst and I would do anything to avoid it. Physical labor isn't so bad but without a stay-at-home wife and a supportive community it kills you very quickly. If you truly feel no desire ever to do any kind of work, I kind of pity you.

>>28405 If the child has not an object that it can occupy itself with, it feels ennui; for it does not yet know how to occupy itself with itself. The youth, on the contrary, throws the object aside, because for him thoughts arose out of the object; he occupies himself with his thoughts, his dreams, occupies himself intellectually, or “his mind is occupied.” The young man includes everything not intellectual under the contemptuous name of “externalities.” If he nevertheless sticks to the most trivial externalities (e.g. the customs of students’ clubs and other formalities), it is because, and when, he discovers mind in them, i.e. when they are symbols to him. The man is distinguished from the youth in that he takes the world as it is, instead of presuming that it is everywhere in the wrong, and wanting to improve it, to mold it to his ideal. In him, the view that one has to deal with the world according to his interest, and not his ideal, is established. As long as one knows himself only as spirit, and puts all his value in being spirit (it becomes a light thing for the youth to give his life, his “bodily” life, for nothing, for the silliest point of honor), for so long he also only has thoughts, ideas that he hopes to be able to realize once he has found a sphere of action; thus, in the meantime, one has only ideals, unfulfilled ideas or thoughts. -- Max Stirner

>>29723 You fundamentally misunderstand my post. I'm not against *labor*. I labor verybhard in my free time to learn guitar, learn Spanish, learn Muay Thai, and hopefully learn how to fly soon. It's "work" but these things bring me joy and fulfillment. I am against *wage labor.* That is, the commodization of labor mainly for the profit of big capitalists. I absolutely despise any form of wage labor, no matter what type of labor it is. If I did any of my hobbies for money, that would defeat the purpose and I'd begin to hate what brought me joy in the first place. As I've already explained in detail, if one is to wage labor, it's best to do something you don't care about too much that'll pay you a lot yet not require a lot of time. Like I said, you can't solve work with a different form of work; that's misunderstanding the entire premise >>29727 Nice Stirner quote amigo

>>28369 Getting a single like from the god artist Fkey

There are infinite views on what counts as winning. The kings will never be painters, the painters will never be idyllic farmers, the farmers will never explore space etc. From a personal perspective i think the only important thing is doing what you want to do.

>>31152 but i can't do anything I want to do

>>28369 Everything. Its all you wanted and more its what you asked for. People always look at the negatives of life as this evil thing that needs to be eradicated when oftentimes its simply the meds you didn't want to take but sorely needed.

>>29657 >Is there no way out of wage labor hell except suicide or what? Of course there is, the problem is you are attached to the life associated with your job and have not explored the world of not-job-having enough to begin to imagine what it could look like. The options you list are just the cartoon version of what not-job-having looks like. If you would rather die than work your job, the first step isn't killing yourself, it's quitting your job. Then you approach the practical problem of surviving your new circumstances. Over time you will learn to understand what those circumstances are actually like and how they can be navigated. Personally I spent a bunch of years being poor to the point where nobody would actually believe I lived on that little money, chasing various, mostly retarded, get-money-to-live-without-ongoing-work schemes, and making money with gig work soykaf and small jobs when needed (making sure they never involved extended commitment). Eventually everything started working out, in a way entirely dependent on my personal interests and circumstances and my experience from years of failed attempts, and not replicable whatsoever. You want a different life, step into the unknown.

>>31169 Youre mixing up accomplishing with doing

Having a job that you don't actually hate, it doesn't matter what people tell you about it, you could be a literal hooker, but hey, if you like it then you're already happier than most people out there.

Winning has a meaning of "accomplishing" but also of "finishing" and implies a competition against something or someone. - Who or what do you compete against? - What does winning this competition add up to? - Why, if so, is this desirable? - What will be finished by winning this competition? - How much of a price would you pay to achieve victory? Is there something more worthy than the accomplishment you strive towards?

>>29717 >>Teach English in foreign countries It was the best decision I've ever made. I've lived in 3 different countries now, traveled through a dozen extensively, and made many wonderful memories. Everyone back home has a house, a car, and some expensive toys. However, they've done nothing worth remembering or talking. "here lies X, he bought a house and car at 24 and had 3 kids by 28 and died" or "here lies X, he traveled the world, climbed mountains, explored foreign megalopolises and got himself in some crazy situations, and died" the choice is simple, for me

>>28369 doing the things i love; married happily and healthily, *maybe* kids (probably not), 1-3 pet cats, ideally retired early. I'm 19 and with my current life trajectory I think I have a good 20% chance of making this happen (at least with the woman I love at present) which isn't too bad, honestly.

>>28371 what about loving the cute femboy, marrying him, and being with him for the rest of your lives (while regularly fing him in the ass, of course

>>28593 Sounds like losing to me

>>28425 >>28427 I actually opened the thread to post this. Every idea I ever have to riff from something popular was already thought of by another poster also lacking in imagination or originality like me, only they saw the opportunity first. It isn't fair.

Recognizement and fulfillment I want to be the kind of person people look up to and envy Part of my daily effort goes into making things I can be proud, as well as partake in unique experiences Looks mean a lot to me and being able to show myself, for who I am, to the world is very important

>>28369 Being happy. If you're on your death bed and you're smiling when you think about how your life turned out, then you're doing things right

>>31376 There was an episode of Red Dwarf called The Inquisitor. It's one of the classic favourite episodes because nearly everyone who watches it, when they are done laughing and the song at the end is over, has the same experience. They ask themselves what would I say if he came for me? Would I pass or fail? The goal of the inquisition is to make every subject of it justify their own existence, according to their own standards. The shallow and selfish pass more easily than the virtuous, generous or valiant because the second group set higher standards for themselves. The first group does tend to be happier in life too, you must have noticed this. Having said that, having a purpose would satisfy me in answering OP. I thought I had one, several even, and now that I know it was all BS, I can't seem to find a valid one. I'd say I'm losing in OP's game and have been for a while.

Skimming through the thread, I have nothing of worth to contribute. A good social life (friends that enjoy spending time with you and actually hold respect for you and you actually respect them and you can engage in engaging activities with them) A good work life (ideally, coworkers that like you, but that's not necessary. What's necessary is their respect, not their affection. All of course in a job you like working in within a career that has satisfactory upwards mobility) You've either got enough "f*ck you money" to quit the job, or you're about to. You're rich enough to be able to be "Financially Independent" (i.e. you've got enough "f*ck you money" to quit working completely and are now working, purely because you choose to). You're rich enough and/or fit enough to not need to worry about retirement. You look good. You're well-groomed, you're handsome/beautiful, people like to look at you. If you're hypothetically a bit of a vanguard, a bit of a creative individual, because you're handsome/beautiful, you basically become a kind of positive marketing for the very things you believe to be good. Optics matter. Optics work. You're charming. You can win people over within the first minute of interacting with them for the very first time. You're healthy and fit. You tend to your health with a clean diet, minimising your chances of developing cancer in your later years and becoming sick at all, and your body is strong enough to be useful to you on a day-to-day basis. You've got time, resources and ability to pursue whatever creative whim you desire. I think this is what it is to "win" at life.

Biologically, passing on your genes.

Achieving satisfaction with your life. I like phrasing it that way because you can't always be happy 24/7, but if you can feel satisfied with where you are/who you are even when everything's going to soykaf you've won. Its really hard to say beyond that because what counts as satisfaction varies from person to person and sometimes changes too. If you're talking about what I specifically consider winning, then at least right now it would be living in my own place, mastering indoor gardening so I can fill that place with plants I can eat instead of furniture, friends I can connect with offline, and working as little as possible while still maintaining comfort.

Enlightenment Mahamudra Dzogchen Satori Zen

Feeling mostly satisfied with everyday life. I don't really want to achieve some high social status or be extremely wealthy. I want an ordinary life and a passion I can pour my energy into. It's not that complicated, yet somehow so hard to reach.

Lessen chance of all my monke fam blowing each other up or getting eaten by a grue.

>>31785 "BRO UNIVERSE IS ALL OF US BRO!!!" so the universe wants/wanted to be a raped yazidi girl? Sounds like the universe is a retard....

>>31785 Every is not level 5's? That must be what's wrong with the world...

>>28369 Unironically pic related

Low key, being Loki is winning at life. Put on a mask and fake it till you make it. Dance with the chaos and survive by the skin of your teeth, as a necessary prankster living the cosmic joke as its Jester. Loki, the Court Jester puts the Monarchs on the throne; They are by chance lucky enough to be in place at the time. If you can't manufacture Luck, You win by being Loki.

>>31365 absolutely. this is the definition of winning in life

These days I'd consider "winning at life" to be "self-aware, in touch with your emotions, and not hooked on antidepressants/ssri's" because your body is a temple, which means you should do as Jesus did and drive the (big pharma) merchants from it, but also because a lot of the traditional "goals/accomplishments" that our culture has seem to becoming more and more impossible. It seems all you can do is keep your own house in order as everything else falls apart. Beyond that, I dunno, "winning at life" is already nebulous as all hell. Maybe doing something productive that makes you satisfied?

>>31365 >>31904 Better yet. Be the cute femboy, and marry yourself.