Film about inceldom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1k98QjeK0s incels are scum but I found it pretty honest and depressing

>>26287 What makes them scum OP?

>>26288 Incels blame others, and very generalized groups such as all of women for their own faults.

>>26290 Who doesn't? Why is it acceptable for black people to hold the entire white race institutionally responsible for the sorry state of their communities? Why do women get to blame their lack of professional representation on supposed discrimination from males in the hiring process? Why don't they all just pick themselves up by their bootstraps and "self improve" instead of dumping their shortcomings on "very generalized groups" like a bunch of incels? Why doesn't the burden fall on them as individuals to suck it up, admit that they aren't owed soykaf and 'git gud'? The lowest common denominator among incels is that they understand there is a cold, hard biological reality to the economics of the sexual marketplace which most people don't have the stomach to acknowledge. They get soykaf because a) they're at the bottom of the social ladder, b) people get defensive when you tell them they're playing a rigged game, and c) sexual pheromones induce a "women are wonderful" effect on our brain. But refusing to believe that there is an even playing field is neither unique to incels nor even a generally untolerated state of mind. But of course you'll call me an apologist or an incel or something judging by the way you type and there will never be any real discussion.

>>26290 this is not the issue with incels. The issue is that they respond to their problems (many of them not caused by themselves) by wallowing in them, they become hateful individuals. >>26293 "cold hard reality" is usually a crutch used to justify to yourself that you're not trying. Sure the game is rigged. That doesn't change the fact that everyone has an ethical obligation to be a decent person. Incel-ism indicates a true, deeply held hatred inside a person. It's very rare you meet an incel who is actually just plain ugly. Usually they have severe social anxiety and/or depression, and a very unappealing personality (self-pitying, spiteful, etc). All could in theory be surmounted. BTW "sex pheromones" are highly over-rated. They are kind of a thing but mostly they're psychosomatic.

>>26294 The cold hard reality that I was referring to is the fact that primates are instinctually inclined to form harems. That used to be tempered with social customs which we are currently trending away from. >ethical obligation Tell me you're pulling my leg. And again, the refusal to accept personal responsibility is found in many segments of society, some of them overtly supported and accepted in the mainstream. People don't like hearing that somebody has to be at the bottom of every pecking order, so they prefer to moralize and justify that fact with with unfair vilification, and I call it unfair because there is nothing unique about the "entitlement" incels express. I agree most of them aren't the way they are because of looks alone, but the general thesis in incel spaces is that their part of the social contract has been broken (strict adherence to monogamy) while at the same time they are expected to contribute fully to a society in which they have no stake. For that, they're right. The general trend in America is that women are having more partners and the majority of men are having less. Why is it unfair for incels to blame this on other people yet, again, other groups can blame their material shortcomings on others and not be called "scum"? >BTW "sex pheromones" are highly over-rated. They are kind of a thing but mostly they're psychosomatic. I don't think you can really say that I'm wrong when I suggest that many people defend women simply because they want to have sex with them.

>>26294 I should add that I could apply the same logic of "why don't women/blacks just work harder to get ahead in a supposedly unfair game instead of complaining? Why don't they just suck up their resentment and be decent people in a society which offers them less for the same behavior?" which you prescribe for the incel's problems. It's not accepted to refer to those two groups as scum, is it?

movie was great, very unsettlingly real look at what it's like to be really depressed like that, and hooked on the social media machine, but honestly some if this guy's monologues are the most boring and stupid bullshit I've ever heard. I don't so much have this kind of life, I know some people who are sort of on their way there... I have lots of ups and downs.

>>26288>>26290 OP If you end up like this it's because you failed to develop an expectation for challenges and the desire to overcome them. You truly fail as a member of society and are defined by it. I don't care that they blame women, they're wrong but I see why believing that would help you live with yourself

>>26293 >>26295 >>26296 /thread Once you realize everything in your life is determined by your genetics that's a real hard pill to swallow. There's alot of fairy tale nonsense that is perpetuated in the Western world to have the losers in our system cope. These comments remind me of early manosphere content, where it was about exploring the human condition and not just PUA/inform grifters. Being good looking is probably the best genetic trait you can get as a man or woman. Its been proven that when you are attractive people treat you better, you are more successful at work and you are more confident. Humans are a tournament mating species, and you can research that throughout history most men did not reproduce. Almost ALL women have reproduced. Men are the disposable gender. Even with tribes in Africa you see that only the top men mate with the women. Women, whether you like it or not, determines and selects the next generation and we have generally improved as a species due to women's pickiness. Incels have always existed, its just that the elites of our species realized they could harness the labor and productivity of then by implementing traditions and laws that allowed for a man to only marry one woman and shaming women from sleeping around or falling to their hypergamy and divorcing. This was in effect communism of sex and it worked. Now with marriage dead, women have become empowered for decades, and mens social contracts broken we are going to see what will happen. We are in uncharted waters society wise. With technology we might witness it limp on in the current iteration of the system or it will accelerate the collapse of it. Everyone can agree that families are completely destroyed at this point and the fall of Rome will happen in the United States. Crazy times.

what the fuarrrk does any of this have to do with the movie? The dude's not even really an incel just a pure hikki.

>>26301 OP called incels scum so I asked him why. From there, we elaborated our positions and had an on-topic discussion. Does that make you uncomfortable?

>>26302 so, the short answer is "nothing?"

>>26303 The movie literally says INCEL in the description (and yes, the upload appears to be from the guy who directed the film). Is your problem that we're discussing incels?

>>26302 Have you seen that room at the end he's 100% incel / basement boy. He isn't schiz / truly reclusive when he simps that hard

>>26301 I'm not the person you responded to, but hikkis and incels have alot in common in that they don't want to participate in society due to them realizing society's rat race is rigged from the start. Hikki is more Japanese men realizing that not only is feminism destroying ancient Japanese traditions, but Japanese traditions themselves are destroying men (being a salary man, working to death, still being accountable for women without any of the authority that had back in the day). Japan is a perfect example of what happens when women get to have their cake and eat it too. Best sides of feminism and traditionalism. And the birth rate reflects that. This blog is from a Japanese guy living in Japan. He documents what is happening to Japan pretty well: http://www.landofthesettingsun.com

>>26300 Genetics are a massive cope too 1 of the main reasons I hate incels, to be honest I thought everyone hated incels. You can 100% overcome bad genetics and get good at handling people / women who are only interested in money. If you have bad genetics, and your life is terrible, again it just seems natural to blame it on the genetics and not think about it introspectively.

>>26307 This people seems to think genetics like if it is points on a Diablo II character

>>26307 I agree that you can work hard, make alot of money, go to another country where you have more status, etc. But the way current technology allows women to access all the top men in the world via dating apps and social media you will see how fuarrrked everything is. This isn't even a incel problem, even good looking and successful men are getting divorced. Divorce rates are 50-70% depending on where you live and women initiate divorce 80% of the time. Combination of radical feminist programming, misandric laws, and technology has allowed a perfect storm to develop. You see how this soykaf is not even on the elites radar or they just blame all the symptoms we are seeing on men.

>>26309 Yeah it is pretty bleak, I'm pretty average and am trying to lower my standards. I'm just talking about incels using it as an excuse for how they turned out.

>>26287 >incels are scum how do you not just feel bad for them and pitty the way they cope with the situation

>>26299 >If you end up like this it's because you failed to develop an expectation for challenges and the desire to overcome them. That never seemed to stop any other group of people from blaming their woes on things outside of their control, but I haven't seen anyone so sharply and unanimously condemned for this behavior as incels. Nobody argues that you're scum for refusing to overcome racial or gender bias in society, just work hard and prove that you have a good character right? So what I've been asking this entire thread, is why are incels uniquely despicable for not walking the extra mile? What makes them "evil" for doing so much as bringing up their disadvantage like other groups (which can also overcome their circumstances individually) regularly do? >You truly fail as a member of society and are defined by it. These men lack any grounding in "society" to call themselves members of it, they're outside the social fold either by choice or by ostracism. Arguably "betas" and "white knights" match your description as they are socially marginalized yet choose to remain in the lowest rung of the social order, incels are more like the untouchables which a caste system refuses to interact with. It's odd, all this language you use to condemn and shame men seems to be rooted in attacking one's social status... kind of like... a woman. >I don't care that they blame women, they're wrong but I see why believing that would help you live with yourself And you seem to believe that men are obliged to uphold/protect the other sex regardless of what they receive from it... Very strange.

>>26311 I pity them in the same way I pity meth heads. Sure it's horrible that some people are in that state and I feel bad for them but at the same time, threatening people is off limits.

>>26310 Yeah totally. My main issue with incels is that they are hyper focused on how unattractive they are. Many desire that female validation you get when she is hot and heavy and wants you. Its a way of nature telling you "made it". The problem is that feeling is fleeting. Just like drugs and booze. What really makes men happy is finding a purpose, having internal validation knowing you are a strong, capable person and following through on your goals. That soykaf is like crack man. And you will see that your success will attract women. I am kinda like an ugly duckling, I got attractive later in life so I've seen what its like to be treated when women are not attracted to you and when they are. Its almost infuriating when you realize how shallow this soykaf is. Read books, hack soykaf and workout.

>>26313 >threatening people ah yes, the classic characteristic most if not all incels exibit.

>>26312 How does thinking that most incel neets are pieces of soykaf that don't understand why they are alone, the same as thinking men should fight for women? I guess I believe there is a lower limit of overall quality you should meet before expecting to be loved. It's pretty low but I acknowledge that there's a large grey area where it's just really hard to find a partner. Again, I'd say those people aren't really incels

>>26317 pieces of soykaf that*

>>26317 lmao hi newfriend

>>26312 Society hates incels cause any negativity that is directed at women is instantly met with retribution. Women are the protected class of humanity, even above children. You saw that soykaf with the Titanic. Women were given preference over even children. I think its a collective biological response that has been bred into us for millenia. Women are the sole limiting factor when it comes to reproduction, so humanity protects their women at all cost and puts them on a pedestal.

>>26317 Not once in this thread have you or anyone else answered my question about why it is acceptable for other groups to blame their failures on other people but not incels. What makes these incel hikki neet shut ins "pieces of soykaf" for just staying indoors and complaining about lookism in the same way that women moan about sexism and blacks complain about racial discrimination stopping them from getting ahead? Surely those two groups are also "pieces of soykaf" for blaming external conditions on their ill fortune instead of just overcoming life's challenges with hard work to compensate for those biases. Just grit your teeth and soldier on, sucking it up and walking the extra mile seems to be the solution for any adversity or disadvantage you encounter, right? Complaining about being socially disadvantaged clearly isn't unique to incels, but it sure is uniquely unacceptable when they do it. "Threatening" people for putting them in that position is neither unique to incels nor do they do it nearly as prolifically as a certain aforementioned group (see: Black Panthers, BLM). So where is this tone of anger coming from at a group of people who thus far haven't been proven to stand alone in any of these dreaded negative tendencies you've raved about? Again, I've never acted as if these tendencies don't exist, or that incels are completely right in their worldview. My position is that they're correct about the custom of monogamy trending downward, and that such an event signals the social contract for men is no longer being met, but before you ignore the first part of my post yet again and find something new to nitpick, answer the question. >I guess I believe there is a lower limit of overall quality you should meet before expecting to be loved. I don't know how to respond to that. In my experience when you get a pet like a guinea pig or a rat, it's considered cruel to not buy them in pairs because their psychological needs are not being met. I don't understand how a rodent's character or personality or whether it meets the "limit of overall quality they should meet before expecting to be loved" is not factored into the idea that denying them a companion is considered abusive and damaging to them, but for human beings its just not a real need and they're not entitled to it. But don't let this detour in our conversation distract you, I'm still waiting for you to answer my first question. >the same as thinking men should fight for women? I phrased the last sentence in a kind of meme-y way, but you still seem to believe that men have an obligation to participate in the social order regardless of how they are treated in return, going so far as to say that someone is defined by their place as a "member of society". Men don't typically see things like that. I've answered your question now answer the one I've been asking this entire thread.

>>26322 Dude this thread is just about incels. I'm not ok with blacks or women complaining about being disadvantaged. Maybe I don't think black people are subhuman, but I don't think they're disadvantaged. I'm sorry for not openly resenting black people more. I only think you have an obligation to participate, if you expect to have nice girlfriend, and again this is bare minimum participation, if you neet with your parents and refuse to shower or piss in bottles, I refuse to say it isn't partly your fault that you are alone.

>>26322 Actually I don't even expect you to participate to get a girlfriend those are your words, if you find a way to not participate and get a girlfriend I wouldn't hate you for it. I think you, or truecels, should do the bare fuarrrking minimum before complaining

>>26325 what is bare minimum, anon care to explain in detail, please

>>26306 Its neither. Its burger bankers sitting in control of their central bank post ww2 that spiraled them into present time sinkhole financially. Finance kills them and nothing else as they simply cant afford to live like before and same thing is coming to your neighborhood as our central banks started behave like theirs now.

>>26328 >First of all, blacks or women aren't complaining about their disadvantages while sitting in front of a fuarrrrking computer annoying and threatening the hell out of people Its called twitter

>>26290 Seethe more, inceldom is created by others.

>>26324 >I'm not ok with blacks or women complaining about being disadvantaged. But are they "pieces of soykaf" for it? Are they scum? Stop dancing around my question, what makes the way incels complain about being socially disadvantaged due to lookism egregious enough to earn them the label of "scum" while these other groups don't after whining about sexism and racism as a factor for their failures just as intensely if not more? >if you expect to have nice girlfriend, and again this is bare minimum participation, if you neet with your parents and refuse to shower or piss in bottles, I refuse to say it isn't partly your fault that you are alone. Irrelevant, I already said this: >I've never acted as if these tendencies don't exist, or that incels are completely right in their worldview. Incels may not be entirely right to blame lookism alone for their circumstance, just like women are not right to blame sexism on everything and blacks exaggerate racism dramatically to excuse their personal responsibilities in being unsuccessful and shove blame onto men/white people respectively. What I'm trying to understand, and you still haven't answered after I put it in black and white for you so many times, is why are incels "scum" and "pieces of soykaf" for doing that but other people aren't?

>>26328 >First of all, blacks or women aren't complaining about their disadvantages while sitting in front of a fuarrrrking computer annoying and threatening the hell out of people They spent the summer of 2020 burning down america, I think that qualifies as "threatening the hell out of people"

>>26336 Jesus fuarrrking christ. This argumentative soykaf is why I hate incels, because you're petty as fuarrrk and want everything to fall into line as evidence that other people are wrong and things aren't your own fault. I said incels are 'pieces of soykaf' for believing they should be loved regardless of how fuarrrking disgusting they let themselves become. If that really upsets you so much you're going to get bullied into suicide someday, you know normal people all despise incels way more than me? You're achieving nothing, just like you do every day, your existence proves my point, you're a petty loser with no interesting qualities or personality, automatically defending things that line up with your place in the world.

>>26287 I liked the movie, but I struggle to see why he made it.

>>26338 >I said incels are 'pieces of soykaf' for believing they should be loved regardless of how fuarrrking disgusting they let themselves become. This. entire. thread. I have been asking why incels are so uniquely condemned for their sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility which is not only shared by other groups, but celebrated when they do it. I've admitted in basically every response that incels might very well not be right to shift all of the blame away from themselves, but every single time without fail, you have ignored that and kept harping on this same irrelevant point of whether incels are responsible for their own status. I don't care if incels are to blame or not for where they're at in life, that was never part of my thesis and you're once again dishonestly dodging the question I have been asking all. thread. I know by now I'm not getting a straightforward admittance out of you, but I'm glad to have made a self-evident example of just how flimsy and cognitively dissonant someone who hold your talking points ultimately is. >because you're petty as fuarrrk and want everything to fall into line as evidence that other people are wrong and things aren't your own fault Read. Again: >I've never acted as if these tendencies don't exist, or that incels are completely right in their worldview. >Incels may not be entirely right to blame lookism alone for their circumstance, just like women are not right to blame sexism on everything and blacks exaggerate racism dramatically to excuse their personal responsibilities in being unsuccessful and shove blame onto men/white people respectively. Where did I talk about right and wrong? I am asking about why the same tendency to scapegoat their flaws makes one group "pieces of soykaf", while the other two somehow aren't. >You're achieving nothing, just like you do every day, your existence proves my point, you're a petty loser with no interesting qualities or personality, automatically defending things that line up with your place in the world. And there it is, no argument. >"I may have lost the argument, but you're still a loser :)" Is this not bad faith, jannies?

>>26340 I'm not dodging the fuarrrking question. I don't believe you are uniquely condemned, I think it's deserved in the cases I stated. Do you understand that I don't control or give a soykaf about the black people, women, fuarrrking I don't know whatever you are talking about, who are also complaining? I don't condemn them because I don't think they're as delusional as I think you are.

>>26341 I don't know how to make the 'answer to your statement' any fuarrrking clearer. If you piss in bottles, if you suck money from your own parents for years, and even go as far as to resent them for it, I think you're a soykafty person and it doesn't have anything to do with how much sex you have. You're making this massive comparison between you crying and other people crying, completely ignoring that even if you're right and they're worse, you are still pathetic and I have every right to judge you for it

>>26340 Maybe the fact the first thing you posted was about black people ruining your life, and you picked a fight with someone for 1) hating a group of people 2) not hating black people as much as you Shows you fuarrrking suck at compromising in conversation and will always force your soykafty boring cope mentality bullshit onto anyone who listens

>>26320 This sounds correct to me. Nobody cared about incels until the shootings happened, in fact the average person wasn't even aware they existed. Women are much more important and valuable to society and any attack on them evokes a protective (almost primitive) aggression from other men. If incels didn't hate women, I think they wouldn't get any attention at all and they'd just be ignored.

>>26341 >I don't condemn them because I don't think they're as delusional as I think you are. Delusional enough to have every place of employment and educational institution give them special preference and still fuarrrking moan about how it's not their lack of hard work preventing them from succeeding, and that they still need even more in the way of reparations? You don't think these straight up insane delusions to justify their failure are in away way worse than incels saying "women don't like me because I'm ugly :("? Do they get their entire group summarily labelled as dangerous terrorists by society at large and tech giants whenever one of their own goes out and kills a cop? Do they get run off of every corner of the internet every time they whine about white privilege and endorse retributive mob violence, and is it labelled hate speech? I don't buy for a second that you don't recognize just how disproportionately pandered to and apologized for some peoples' (extremely wild) delusions are, or that incels are unique in how far they go to justify their failures with false pretenses. But at this point I know that you'll try to shift the conversation towards accusing me of being racist or something, I don't expect any good faith from you. >completely ignoring that even if you're right and they're worse, you are still pathetic and I have every right to judge you for it It's like I'm talking to a brick wall. I don't give a damn who you judge. I don't give a damn if they truly deserve to be judged or not. Never once did I ever pretend to be making an argument about that. I'm calling you out for weaseling your way out of acknowledging a double standard, and refusing to acknowledge that whoever it is socially acceptable to call "pieces of soykaf" and "scum" is completely arbitrary. >>26343 I can't think of a more blatantly dishonest post. I never "blamed black people for ruining my life", I asked why it was acceptable for them to blame their lack of success on racial bias but incels are not allowed to scapegoat lookism for their flaws. In both cases I believe they're largely wrong to do so, but you already knew that and wouldn't have resorted to these types of low effort accusations if you were concerned with honestly challenging my points.

>>26346 I'm not fuarrrking dodging anything I genuinely tried my hardest to understand where you thought I was intentionally failing to cover something. In my experience, incels are widely resentful, delusional people, I think you're worse as a group than black people. Not everyone is going to be a flaming racist and that doesn't mean they're ignoring a 'double standard' when criticizing something unrelated.

>>26347 And there we have it, black people cannot be called "pieces of soykaf" for their delusional lack of self-criticism and will to "overcome challenges" because it would be racist, proving my point that what qualifies incels as "scum" does not apply to other people for... reasons.

>>26348 No, you aren't fuarrrking right here, don't take away from this that you 'won' or that the important thing is winning the argument. You pissed someone off by trying to get them to hate black people as much as they hate incels, I just happen to be a person who thinks black people have better reasons to complain than piss bottlers. Even if you hate them, you can't genuinely believe that black people think about how unfair being black is for hours and hours every day like an incel thinks about being an incel. I am not saying they don't define themselves by their race more than other races because they 100% do, just that incels manifest over their 'unfair situation' for longer, partly because you have nothing else to do all day, it comes with the lifestyle

>>26348 Here is my new point, I've said it so many times: Incels are worse than black people, you are more vitreolic, likely to hurt people, in my experience, incels and neets are more likely to be pedophiles. You only disagree because you have an unreasonably strong hatred of black people, and this is coming from a person who privately doesn't like them either but doesn't openly consider himself racist. That is also something I think you wouldn't be as strong on if you weren't an incel who lingered on soykaf like this all day every day. I need to leave this fuarrrking conversation but please do not just write off every argument as 'ignoring something you said' because I've genuinely tried to pick up on what is missing and I just think you can't understand anyone who isn't as far gone as you are.

>>26349 And again, I'm not saying they have reason to complain. Just that you have even less of a reason.

>>26287 >maorishit tribal necklace >one card >ashtray inside >750ml can of cancer This is a fuarrrking beneficiary for sure, incel hikkineet scum. If this fuarrrker ever leaves his room. I'll rape him. No homo. NZ is a small country.

>>26350 >You pissed someone off by trying to get them to hate black people as much as they hate incels Where did you get that from? I think black people fail to accept personal responsibility for their shortcomings like you say about incels, not that they aren't human or that they should disappear from existence. That would be actual racism, but you already know that your definition is intentionally misconstrued to strawman me as a racist. The fact that you fail to take anything away from that only proves my point that your reason for hating incels is arbitrary and gives a pass to other groups of people for the same transgressions. What if I dehumanized black people by saying that they're more likely to be violent criminals and deadbeats like you say about incels being pedophiles and deviants, you don't see those two things in the same light do you? You don't have to concede to my thesis that incels are attacked not because their faults are exceptionally egregious but because they're an easier target socially speaking, that's completely completely self evident in our conversation. >Incels are worse than black people, you are more vitreolic, likely to hurt people More dishonesty. If we're to go by ideological terrorism alone, groups like the Black Panther party and lone black nationalists have committed far more terrorism than those driven by "incel ideology". When did incels create a prolific terrorist organization or spend the entire summer burning down cities? And do their talking points of wide-reaching discrimination by the white population get scrubbed away from discourse because it may lead to actual violence? No, it's celebrated, and there in lies my point. I don't give the slightest damn if you decide that you hate black people or not, if you can damn incels for blaming other people for their individual failings and enacting violence because of it yet excuse others when they do the same thing then you're a hypocrite. >I am not saying they don't define themselves by their race more than other races because they 100% do, just that incels manifest over their 'unfair situation' for longer Do they? Incels can't even speak on their own forum without having people run up to service providers and demand they shut it down, yet every day they cram something down our throats about how X or Y group of people are being kept down because of oppression by some other vague group of people, you really think incel whining is more prolific than that of any other minority? This is why I call cognitive dissonance, anyone who lives in a western country knows fully well that certain people are allowed to unfairly throw blame on entire generalized categories of people for their own shortcomings, while others can be dehumanized at will because they lack the same social clout. >No, you aren't fuarrrking right here, don't take away from this that you 'won' Of course I've earned every right to walk away from this knowing that I've won, you've done nothing but devolve into lobbing low-effort accusations of racism and outright blatant lies (like that I blamed black people for "ruining my life" at any point), taunting me for being a "loser", or propping up unsupportable assertions like that black people commit less violence in retaliation for their perceived social disadvantages than incels, or that their complaints of racial bias being responsible for their economic failures are even remotely more realistic than an incel's complaints of lookism being responsible for his virginity, given how many advantages are already conceded to them by employers and educational institutions. You make of that information what you will, all I've done is point to the inconsistency in what you do with it. >or that the important thing is winning the argument I'm not here just to "win the argument". I've stood rock solid defending the same point consistently from a slew of different deconstruction attempts bordering ever more on being attacks on character and insults, if anything I think it's been shown that you're the one whose more interested in being perceived as the "winner" at any cost. I feel good that I had this conversation, do you feel the same?

This thread is terrible, if it wasnt from the start then almost. Interesting how on 420chan there is a similar thread and the k-pop spam was there too. Is inceldom even a word? Will it show up as tag in imdb?

>>26357 You're right, it's moving way too fast for a lainchan thread! Who would've thought that ​adversity fuels discussion, that's incredible :O If that isn't your thing then you can thank OP for starting the thread with adversity, for my part I never acted in poor faith. You can always bump one of countless dead threads on this board that haven't been touched in days if you want to discuss something 'not terrible', you have a whole catalogue so use it. Or you can demand that yet another conversation be snuffed out and we can go back to having the entire board be a boneyard again.

if youre going to self promote jootob channel at least post good films on it like me https://youtu.be/Fj07L4i2LhU

>>26354 >video description says "I am not the character"

>>26374 Video uploader: Gooply Twitter account in the description: @goooply Twitter bio: "creator of A Shallow Perception of Me" You should have been to able to figure that out on your own. >video description says "I am not the character" Which means he's not the subject of the film.

I've only watched the first eighteen minutes, and it's horrifying just to see how much time he wastes on Youtube. I should be glad video is so inconvenient for those who insist on Free Software, sparing me from much of this.

Thanks for sharing the movie. Reminded me of a lot of feelings I had before on passages of my life where I was doing pretty much this. I don't have anything deep to say, I'm just a little happier to know that more people understand how it is like to feel trapped inside the virtual circus. Does anybody here had a similar experience and managed to leave the dopamine circle? In my case I was leaving alone, "studying" and "working" (I was on college and I was receiving my salary, but I wasn't doing any of two). When I got fired I lived some months on pension money, but I didn't leave my dorm room for nothing. After some months I started running out of money and thanks dog my family managed to rescue me. After that I moved with my parents again for some months still feeling too ashamed to go out, but eventually I start looking for a job again and managed to become a functional cog again. I feel like without my family literally bringing me back I would starve to death because I was too ashamed of everything (how I couldn't finish my studies, couldn't work, take care of my health, clean my room, etc) and how easy it was to just play Dota and forget about my responsibilities. Nowadays I have a "functional life" at least. I'm back to college, I'm working and living alone. I'm glad I'm able to not feel the shame I felt before, but I still feel sometimes I'm on the rat races just because this is what everyone do.

If someone has so much issue trying to find someone to bone, he can always travel to the state of Nevada and hire a legal prostitute at a licensed brothel where prostitutes function as independent contractors (look it up). That or he can just go out and grab a woman. The main issue is confidence and anxiety and those can be managed by taking a couple of mild antidepressants like Bupropion and Escitalopram (Lexapro). Just take a couple of those and then go out and grab a girl as shown.

>>26488 >The main issue is confidence and anxiety The main issue is that women are simply not interested in 90% of men. And there is less and less pressure acting on women to settle early. They can simply live off the modern welfare state and work diversity quotas while aiming at top 10% men. Imagine you can play the lottery for free as many times as you want but once you accept a prize you have to stop. Of course you'll keep playing until you get the $million jackpot or you run out of time. >If someone has so much issue trying to find someone to bone... What if you want an actual relationship and family etc?

>>26516 >literally this meme You don't want to accept a date from a reddit PM. >The main issue is that women are simply not interested in 90% of men. and yet more than 10% of men reproduce. Strange, that. Usually the actual problem of incels isn't that they're especially unattractive. After all, their parents reproduced, so their genetic code is probably viable. Example is the guy in the movie: at the beginning he's cute in that sadboi way that drives some girls wild. It's only after he sinks into depression that he becomes completely unattractive. I don't really know why so many people are chronically unable to get a date. If I knew I would simply get one myself, lol. But I do know that usually the problem with incels is that they are deeply misogynistic, whiny, and entitled.

>>26517 >You don't want to accept a date from a reddit PM. Was that the point? >and yet more than 10% of men reproduce Throughout history only 40% of males reproduced, whereas 80% of females did. https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success >After all, their parents reproduced, so their genetic code is probably viable Pointing out that someone else succeeded doesn't give any information on the probability that you will.

>>26287 Incels really are not real and are a reddit made social construct meant to make a witch out of males that would have standards. When a female is celibate and complains about women it is perfectly fine in politically correct environments. Also it is to imply men can't be voluntarily celibate of course and only women can aim lower. It is just brow beating men and nothing more.

>>26294 If you think hating something is problematic then you are probably delusional. The only alternative is self hatred then suicide or improvement. It's an easy mind game to see through. If you are not at fault all you can do is hate or die and that is a good thing as it is warranted. Not that they are involuntary to begin with, they are disgusted with their options due to lack of fairness. Hypergamy makes 'them' mad and double standards females get. Even if they got a woman they are the type that becomes a wife beater that resents the woman. That is an actual issue, not venting about how bad society is. If they ever integrate your type will wish they had not as in reality they very often do integrate. They won't lose the hate just because they had sex, sex isn't magic. They want a better law structure and it's why women didn't used to have equal rights, to force equality as women are treated too nicely. With equal rights men will always be second class, that's the cold hard reality.

>>26287 Great movie, brutal honesty, amazing. Watched all of it and it felt like a very mellow experience, at first, without having any ups and downs. But thinking back at it, every time he "looked" at that russian girl's profile it felt really engaging, creepy and most of the shots were aesthetically pleasing capturing depression and the lack of care. I mean, the entire thing had structure, I thought I was going to see a documentary. Very good soykaf, it showcased patterns that a lot of people (I want to avoid the word incel) do while barely touching on why.

>>26526 >sex isn't magic. Crowley would likely have something to say about that.

>>26525 (me) >grammar issues Anyway, you get it or you never will. It's just fake and the actual problem is NOT the men. >>26544 *forced laughter*

>>26518 >Throughout history only 40% of males reproduced, whereas 80% of females did. Women used to be very likely to die during childbirth, so 80% reproductive success sounds fishy to me. The article's claim is actually that the number of reproducing females was reliably double that of the number of reproducing males, and occasionally much higher, which makes more sense. (https://genome.cshlp.org/content/25/4/459.full.pdf , end of 'results' section). >Pointing out that someone else succeeded doesn't give any information on the probability that you will. Someone whose genetic code you share, and who raises you probably similarly to how their parents did, and whose wealth you have access to. Success of parents is certainly correlated to success of children. >>26526 >If you are not at fault all you can do is hate or die and that is a good thing as it is warranted. I disagree. Hotwheels has very good reason to believe he will never feel the love of a woman, yet he decided to create instead. >>26525 >Incels really are not real Suuuuure >When a female is celibate and complains about women it is perfectly fine in politically correct environments. no it is still called "slut shaming".

>>27164 >slut shaming nobody takes that serious, its just a crab bucket retort of whores. Factually hes right - market price for virgins is ~20% higher in anything related to buying women. The real difference is imo its harder to stay celibate as a women. Even grannies can get guys on tinder. So when a women is celibate nobody thinks oh she must have failed to find someone. Incels get berated not for being celibate but for being losers under the assumption they tried & failed.

>>27167 >nobody takes that serious you might be surprised at the crap that twits will say. >Factually hes right - market price for virgins is ~20% higher in anything related to buying women. Yes and some people think that is some kind of grand oppression. >So when a women is celibate nobody thinks oh she must have failed to find someone. Hmmm nah. "old spinsters" and the "biological clock" are both very present memes. Women who aren't married by 30 are usually considered failures by their family. It's that men are supposed to have lower standards for women than women are for men. Women are supposed to be looking for their hubby, men are supposed to 'sow their wild oats'.

>>27168 okay youre right about older women but i was thinking in the scope of our age group where incel is thrown commonly which is what? 16-25? At least i havent seen anyone use incel as an argument vs old 40+ men unlike "leftover women". Only thing im aware of is old 40+ s1mps who personally deserve anyone making fun of them.

>people such as some individuals we've seen in this thread engage in blind hatred and ignorant generalization of what they deem to be incels >incels become hateful towards a restrictive, hurtful and suffocating society they no longer feel any attachment for wonder why that happens

>>27190 it's not "blind". I've met a lot of incels. Even self-identified ones. There's nothing wrong with getting disillusioned with the modern world of dating, women in general, etc. There is something wrong with becoming an insufferable cunt about it. Character in OP's movie wasn't even properly an incel, just a depressed boi.

>>26294 There is a 34yo virgin I know that probably isn't aware of the incel phenomena. He isn't ugly. Short I guess. And kinda built fat. But you know what his problem is? He is LAZY. And he constantly soykafs on himself with this woe is me attitude that women smell from a mile away and their panties dry up like an overcooked brisket. He has potential but no drive to do anything about his situation. He is miserable in his life of mediocrity but refuses to take the initiative to actually make something of himself. He hates me now but only because I called him out in his soykaf. He is jealous because I'm married to the woman he had a crush on 10 years ago and have a house and kids and a good job while he rents a room at a old man bachelor house wasting his money on weed and dunkin donuts. Food riddance.

>>26340 As a man you should hold yourself to a higher standard and drop the whataboutism purely for that reason. We have an innate advantage and if you are ok with pissing it away, that makes you a loser. Period. Who gives a fuarrrk if others aren't held to the same terms? Your miserable existence is your fault alone.(I'm not saying you personally, but one with an incel mindset) women suck, black people suck, I'm neither of those so I'm going to make the God damn best of what I can with what I got.

I honestly think the incel phenomenon (talking about the people who post on incel forums or /r9k/, not about everyone who is involuntarily celibate) is just an expression of vulnerable narcissism. According to wikipedia, traits include >Arrogant behavior >Desire for admiration >Attention-seeking behavior >Feelings of shame >Lack of empathy >Neuroticism >Inferiority complex >Resentfulness >Envy If you look for tests of vNPD online, you will even find questions like "I am often jealous of people who are more attractive." which perfectly characterize the content of incel posts. This seems to be the most unattractive personality type a heterosexual man can have. Women don't like them as individuals because they're assholes (no empathy, arrogance etc.). Women also don't feel any shallow sexual attraction to them because they're constantly displaying how they're at the bottom of the social hierarchy (shame, inferiority complex etc.). It's especially interesting how Elliot Rodger was portraying extreme forms of all of these traits.

>>27191 You have met redditors.

Hi lainchan. I am David Berryman, the creator. This thread is the only one still running, it has some great insight in it. I've just released a followup video about why I made this movie, it's dramatized to be more entertaining. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIsyu_ux-TU&ab_channel=Gooply I hope I continue to promote discussion :)

>>27374 nice, got the camgirl setup. I think you should continue making videos. The character could get pretty annoying pretty fast though, best to move other directions. I suspected the video would go down, so I snagged it with youtube-dl as soon as I saw it. It's sitting on one of my hard drives somewhere. RE incels: most people never really experience love. It's not guaranteed even for attractive people (although attractive people have a better shot). If you really think you are unlovable, but that you also deserve love, you have bought in to the consumerist mindset. You have become an easy mark for advertisers and pornographers. They will stroke your desire centers until you do something stupid like shoot up a school, then they will deny all responsibility. >>26462 I think, that once you prove to yourself that you are capable of surviving and doing the whole rat race thing, you can start to do more interesting things :) I always have sort of "stealthed" my way through it, only my friends know how much of a schizo I really am.

>>27375 You're completely right about the character being near its end, I'm worried about finding new ideas. I like the idea that being loved often isn't something you can even set up. Sometimes someone just seems so perfect to you at that time. I would love to have someone see me like that one day.

>>27374 Didn't participate in this thread until now – Thank you for that follow up video (and of course for the movie). While I'm not an incel or simp myself at all and experienced love and sex in my life, I could still relate to the character because of the depressive, hikki/reclusive traits. I thought the movie was pretty unique (besides the character’s banal personality) and accurately depicted the huge downward spiral that is reality for so many young men growing up with modern internet culture, this silent suffering, sucked in by imageboards, hooked on drugs and shallow youtube videos that make them forget they exist for a few moments - as a substitute for reality. Women, or rather affection, only a construct of their mind, as a glowing screen in the darkness. As I read your comments on the video (and after watching the follow up), I liked it even more because the autobiographical traits gave it more "soul". It left me emotionally invested and thought about it for many days - and there is a reason I got this thread on lainchan still open until today. It was one of the honest things I watched in a while. And it also motivated me a bit to get my life together again, so thanks for that. You are too hard on yourself in the video and are pointing out all the flaws. I don't think you deserve to call yourself "delusional" - I was one of the first viewers and thought "this is gonna blow up in a few weeks". It just got swallowed by the YT algorithm. I would have shared it myself if I'd use social media, and in my own social circle, I don't think people would "get it". Why don't you actually try to promote it a bit better on the internet? 1 month after release may still be too early to think it "flopped". I especially liked all the little details, I always paused the movie to see what tabs the character got open. You could see how his mental health detoriated even more. Especially when I noticed some /r9k/ you included there. Great little flashback of internet history as well. And yes, you are "good entertainment". At least in my opinion, but I guess "normal people" wouldn't think that way - that may be why it isn't more popular. Please don't take it down. Rather take the response video down as it didn't flop yet and you are only talking it down. Good luck, there is still a chance it will get the respect it deserve. I had no expectations for the movie, it was just something I saw here and thought I'd watch before going to sleep for the background… Thought I'd rather be annoyed by the character and nothing else because of the not well chosen tags (#incel #youtube #neet) - but the video is about so much more, as you already said and the fact that the character isn't even a classical incel – maybe you should promote the other themes more (depression, content addiction, consumerism, social isolation), so you could reach more people. As a result, it left me wide awake, thinking about the parallels, while not as drastic at all, to my own life. How I might end up if I don’t work on myself. I'll probably rewatch it some day. Thank you for creating it and I wish for all the best for your future, especially that it will be better than what is pictured in the movie. (Hope this is coherent, not a native speaker and haven’t talked to people on the internet for a long time – you just made my come out of my reclusive lurker shell.)

I'm so used to not being to relate to anything at all, and all off the sudden something shows up that it's strangely relatable. I don't know how to feel. I'm feeling scared. >vapor de onda brasil puta merda

>>27381 Thanks :) This is a great comment The response video needed to be entertaining as well. I played into the idea that I made lots of mistakes and was 'foolish' from the start, because I think that was the most entertaining way I could make the new video

>>27381 indeed. I thought it would blow up among certain people too. Shared it with my buds but I think they watched maybe one minute. Bad luck Darry Barry. You got skills though, use them, if only because you got nothing better to do.

>>27193 You sound like a self absorbed fagg0t.

>>27374 Just want to say I genuinely loved the movie, in just an hour you perfectly described an entire generation of young men, its nice knowing other people go through the same things I do

A few points to make: >if you give a single soykaf about relationships while your whole life is a mess, you're an idiot who's missing the point >if you're a man and needs women's approval, you're doomed to fail because the feminine archetype's endgame is literally fuarrrking chaos >if you're a man that can't channelize your sexual energy into something that is not dick related, you are absolutely fuarrrked >learn to forget women's bullshit, they're even more disoriented than you, but never ever think any female is innocent, chicks are inherently evil and dishonest because subversion is their play, that's what make even the most angelical looking girls so disgusting

>>27399 >wamen are all ebul and dishonest Essentially the same as saying "men are all apes". Women are more trained to use subtext in their daily life, and to have a critical eye for others. Men are not. Whether this makes them evil or dishonest people is dependent on the person. Some women are bitches to hide their insecurity, just like some men are assholes to hide their insecurity.

>>27401 Women are evolutionarily designed to hop between different protectors and coalesce in the most viable mate's harem, that's primate biology 101. When one tribe of chimps exterminates another, surprise surprise only the females are allowed to join the new troop. All of our cousins among the great apes reserve reproductive rights for a small number of socially dominant males. Obviously lifelong monogamy is an ineffective reproductive strategy for women, and male notions of loyalty are completely incompatible with females' Darwinian blueprint (suppressed only by a few thousand years of social institutions). Fewer and fewer people are buying this retarded blank slate sociology nonsense.

>>27402 >All of our cousins among the great apes reserve reproductive rights for a small number of socially dominant males That makes sense when raising offspring takes relatively little work. It takes roughly 15 years to raise a human child to maturity, and in some societies that's becoming more like 20 years. The female calculus of mate selection changes dramatically in this situation, as it is more important to choose a mate who will be willing to support their offspring for that long. Harem-building therefore only persists in the absolute highest echelons of the pecking order, where men have enough power that it is even plausible for them to support a huge assortment of bastard children. For intelligent women, the obvious choice is to pick the most reliable husband they can and stick with him, maybe have a fling or two outside of that if they find him unsatisfying in the sack. For stupid women, well, they have stupid fatherless kids and their cycle repeats itself. In any case, all of this is subconscious. It has nothing to do with the puddingbrained belief that "women are evil". Evil can only be the result of a conscious decision, otherwise it is just something unfortunate that happens. Stupid people who blindly follow their ancient, poorly-adapted instincts are just something unfortunate that happens. Fortunately, I think only perhaps 3/4 of the human population is like that, even in this age of liberalism. They're hardly worth considering as mates.

>>27403 Husband does not mean genetic father of the child, right?

>>27403 Conditions which existed for less than 100 generations don't wipe out what primates were selected to do for at least 50 million years. They may encourage women to adopt a different logic in selecting long term partners, but they don't eliminate females' instinctive aversion to sexual fidelity and need to constantly weigh their partner against other males (hypergamy). Or in other words, "beta bucks, alpha fuarrrks". >It has nothing to do with the puddingbrained belief that "women are evil". Ok, pathologically disloyal and opportunistic. I'm also not 27399 if that wasn't clear. I know I'll never find common ground with someone like you but that isn't why I posted. I want other young men to know that they don't deserve the spiteful, sardonic responses they receive from their better off peers in response to their loneliness. That it isn't reasonable to keep being asked to work harder for less. That they shouldn't internalize the unending attack on their self worth by the gynocracy, because the females who ask everything of them are unfeeling Darwinian beasts that love nothing. Socially enforced monogamy is what kept the civilization game going so if that's off the table then young men have every right to be embittered, resentful cunts about it.

>>27404 Whoever raises the kid is the father. Unless a woman finds her husband truly repulsive and/or weak and will not open her legs to him (which I reckon is not a very common occurrence), the husband may as well be the genetic father, it doesn't matter that much, what matters is the husband's ability to rear young. >>27406 >Conditions which existed for less than 100 generations don't wipe out what primates were selected to do for at least 50 million years. The reason we have brains capable of higher thought is precisely because it allows us to adapt quicker than other animals. If we were slaves to genetic programming we never would have been able to leave the bountiful African savannah and survive in frozen tundra. also I don't know where you're getting "less than 100 generations" from, assuming humans haven't changed much biologically in the past couple hundred thousand years we've always taken a very long time to mature into adults. >because the females they put on a pedestal are unfeeling Darwinian beasts that love nothing. Do you seriously believe that women are lizards? Or maybe you think everyone is a lizard? Maybe you think you're the only person with thoughts and feelings. I have no way to prove it to you, but people are fairly complicated. Everyone you've ever met has lived an entire life and they probably have stories to tell. >...have every right to be embittered, resentful cunts about it. I don't think anybody has a right to be an embittered resentful cunt about anything. >I'm also not 27399 if that wasn't clear. You might as well be his clone, you sound like every other incel propagandist.

>>27408 I guess I should be specific... what I mean by "the husband may as well be the genetic father" is that, if the husband is deemed good enough to wed, there usually isn't a good reason why the future offspring shouldn't be from his genetic lineage. And I must stress that I think women mostly do this not because they are soulless beings trying to maximize their reproductive fitness. I think it's just an unconscious urge to control the self: a smart woman meets a rich racecar driver named Chad who plays guitar, maybe finds her privates tingling, but then she says to herself "woah Sheila, don't go home with this guy, he'll leave you tomorrow morning and probably give you a disease!" and politely declines his invitation. Some women have so much self control that they don't even find Chad's inflated ego and ostentatious manner arousing in the slightest. It's the same principle as smart men not fuarrrking random thots even though they have symmetrical bodies and big boobs. People know from a combination of unconscious darwinian calculus and social conditioning that they should not always do what their genitals think is best.

>>27409 you live divorced from reality. People wreck themself at the party not on their own accord, they do it cause they all are peer pressure victims and everyone around them reinforces that behaviour through positive feedback. Same as married bimbos recently being unable to get why going on onlys1mps and letting their kids classmates enjoy would be a bad idea. Its normal! Everyones doing it!

>>27374 Wow, the character acting in this was something else. Thank you for making a followup Gooply, I was curious what you were thinking at the time of making the movie I think you should continue to create things. You struck a chord with many, I barely reply to anything, but videos like yours are the dying heart of youtube.

>>27411 <3 >>27407 Maybe I should ignore arguments on this but by god this last paragraph is beautiful.

>>26294 Most incels are mentalcels. I have schizotypal personality disorder with psychotic symptoms that''s partly why I ended up an incel. >>26301 >pure hikki >multiple scenes of him leaving the house going to the beach >>26307 Genetics cannot all be cope there is some truth in genetic determinism but soykafty upbringings also affects that. Seeing as most incels are mentalcels and mental illness is affected by genes there is some truth to the idea that genes play some role in inceldom. >>27203 I think this is true on some level. Not so much narcissism but that incels just have a replusive personality. Part of the reason I was a virgin for so long was because I detest women. They remind me of my mom and my other single mom relatives who are sociopaths. Make me sick. The only reason I banged a few women was because I didn't want to define my personality around my virginity but I otherwise still fuarrrking hate women. >>27374 Thanks for making the video! Really struck a chord with me.

>>28037 That's my only gripe with the video it doesn't cover the women issue appropriately. I still have a white hot rage towards women even after having sex with women 5 times. But that's because of my family and my fragile sense of masculinity.

>>28037 >Make me sick. The only reason I banged a few women was because I didn't want to define my personality around my virginity but I otherwise still fuarrrking hate women. Why not try guys instead? Maybe this is all a symptom of repressed homosexual desires, and internalization of your culture's homophobic attitudes. This is not me trying to troll you. I'm completely sincere.

>>26290 How did incels create predatory family law, biased courts, affirmative action, 4th wave feminism, hookup culture and so on? Were they organized? Did they somehow get big sponsors? Huge fundraisers I've missed? Which party represents them, which leverage do they use to bend society to their biddings? And why do you generalize all incels? Is that a "only the sith deal in absolutes" kind of situation? You don't have the high ground, though.

>>26298 Yeah, I fortunately never ended up anywhere close near the depicted situation, but parts of it still felt relatable in a way that they probably wouldn't be to "normal people". Definitely a much more honest view of incels than any other depictions we've seen in the media so far.

>>28067 No need to be rude about it. Just thought that if someone really doesn't enjoy the company of women, then maybe they naturally swing the other way. Or maybe they're asexual. It's a real thing, and nothing to be ashamed of.

>>26287 Suburban nature shots and general comfiness of surroundings immediately reminded me of goofy American short/indie films I used to watch on youtube in 2009-10. How can one suffer on the Straya?

>>28077 Must be DV camera image sensor artifacts. Gives sorta neo-VHS feel to it.

>>28076 I'm also into women and I hate them. I think this is very common. Being gay and asexual is still very uncommon, even despite the fact that it's hip.

>>28088 I'm going to guess you don't have a sister. More and more, this seems to be the common factor in the incel and incel-adjacent manchildren I've run into: they had basically zero socialization with girls when they were kids. They grow up with insane ideas about what female behaviour ought to be, can't reconcile it with how women actually are in reality, and descend into a neurotic self-destructive women-blaming spiral.

>>26290 ...And yet they are a growing demographic in nearly every first-world country. Practically exploding. But it's all just individualist faults? Why are so many people coincidentally doing this right now? I think it's really silly to not see that there must be an environmental factor. Look around you. Depopulation is on the rise in virtually every issue we face.

>>27374 I've glanced at your follow-up video first then started watching the movie. Russian subtitles are horrible, whoever you "hired" did a simple machine translation at best. Idioms, terminology and memes all lost in translation made by some backwater college student not really interested in what she's doing for 5 dolla per hour from baka gaijin. Soul 404, many parts completely miss the point. Sentence structures sound alien in Russian, stylistically wrong, all is wrong. Even reality tv tier garbage you watch on yt is translated word by word, was that really necessary, I thought these scenes were for atmosphere, the viewer if he doesn't know the language is not interested in what is said there, inane imagery conveys the despair of your character's situation itself. If you'd posted both scripts: in English and Russian as text files, I'd see what could be done to improve the translation. Such projects are and should be translated by supportive amateurs. Additionally, you should really have posted this on kohlchan /int/ and 2ch.hk, first one has definitely more of your target audience and locals actually engage conversations between each other in comparison to 4reddit where containmant threads are filled with bots, it also is a home to strong base of Alina connoisseurs who will spread your message further, to Polish and Brazilian chans. Second is the only big Russian "anonymous" chan left at this point, they have /int/ board too, but you should aim at prime time Moscow timezone hour, around 19-20 hours on Friday /b/, although I'm not sure whether foreign IPs posting is allowed there, at least for non-VPN addresses this should be possible. Btw, you look kinda cute when thin no homo, like a dreamy fuccboi in a good sense. Long dark hair, good facial symmetry, defined collarbone and chest area, add some nice muscle shapes and abs, and being pale you're 8/10. You should stay away from sugar-filled industrial food and do some strength-building exercises, and maybe try some buckwheat instead of chips-n-ketchup on napkin mmkay. Also, I've spotted an inception: the sign on your kitchen wall appears on one of the lonely birthdays photos

>>28076 Thinking you need to like someones personality in order to like their genitalia is something only exceptionally weak people do (females and simps).

>>28097 >...And yet they are a growing demographic in nearly every first-world country. Practically exploding. But it's all just individualist faults? Why are so many people coincidentally doing this right now? It's a consequence of our late-stage capitalism. Men are propagandized into believing that material wealth equals personal value, while capitalism also destroys the wealth of the working class. It's a recipe for making working class men extremely angry. Further propaganda is aimed at them to make them angry at the wrong targets - to reduce the chances of the ruling class getting guillotined. The reason that you see this is in nearly every first-world country is that those countries are the ones with the greatest wealth inequality, the ones with the greatest control over public policy by ruling class oligarchs.

>>28101 sex with someone you don't actually like is like kicking dead whales down the beach. Like, sure, while you're actually cooming it'll feel good. But the before and after involves interacting with the person and that is like kicking dead whales down the beach. Might as well jerk off. You can like someone's tits or ass or whatever without wanting to actually bang them. I think recognizing the difference is a major milestone towards maturity. >>28102 >The reason that you see this is in nearly every first-world country is that those countries are the ones with the greatest wealth inequality Hate to burst your bubble, but most third world countries have way worse wealth inequality. The main difference is that people in third world countries usually have really conservative culture, which comes with all kinds of problems, but at least doesn't give everyone ennui or whatever and makes life simpler to navigate than the postmodern hellscape.

>>28102 Men want pussy because that's what biological organisms were put on earth to do. Women are no longer compelled by our social institutions to remain monogamous so a lot of men feel angry and hopeless. Stop weaseling your way out of acknowledging that this is an issue of basic biology, it will never fit your convoluted starbucks socialist fantasy spiel no matter how hard you try.

>>28104 >Men want pussy because that's what biological organisms were put on earth to do. Lol that's a funny way of rephrasing the ol "go forth and multiply!" commandment >Women are no longer compelled by our social institutions to remain monogamous Neither are men, of course. I reckon if you surveyed people who participate in hookup culture(which is NOT every young person, not by a long shot), you'd find that most of them have pretty low life satisfaction, men and women alike.

>>28103 that's not my point, I'm referring to people who imagine you must be gay/asexual if you don't like women as people. This is the "women are wonderful" effect, i.e. when weak men defend women's social behavior because they're physically attracted to them. Being strong is about divorcing your physical attraction from your evaluation of someone as a person, something women and weak men cannot do.

>>28106 >Being strong is about divorcing your physical attraction from your evaluation of someone as a person, something women and weak men cannot do. Oh, there are women who divorce sexual attraction from personal evaluation. They are called sluts.

>>28104 I honestly wonder how many men who see women as just pussy are happy with their lives. Or even people who get this silly biological belief that we only live for sex. I can assure you if my dick got ripped of in a car crash I wouldn't be lying on my knees weeping all day that there's nothing to live for.

I'm not sure why the confusion exists, but multiple people in this thread as well as the character of the movie apply word "incel" to the point it becoming a meaningless buzzword. What I see is that the character is a NEET first (quit job, finished studies with a debt?), hikikomori second (moves back with parents, struggles with upkeep of own body and habitat, rarely goes outside). Most people who call themselves "incel" are sort of normalperson redditors attending studies or having a job, overall socially adjusted with friends and everything, but ignored sexually and intimately by women they for reasons oftentimes unmentioned or misinterpreted. The character of a movie is in phase of being hikky who has 0 contact with people outside his family, and struggling with parasocial relationship with his screen that shows all sorts of pleasant spectacle from youtube talking heads to pretty girls from instagram. He can not be an incel for the fact that there is no intimate offering-rejection going on. Next thing, how would one come of of such state, judging by imagery he lives in a suburb, which basically is a retirement community in a disguise: there are some parks and forests around, some industrial plants and farms, but there are nobody to socialize with for young man after he finishes high school. He has an automobile to move around modernist hellscape, but to where exactly, where do other young people gather in real life, not on WoW raids, would they accept a nobody? His parents have intimate company of each other, and a comforting continuity of old child to care for, they have better connection to extended family relatives and lifelong friends, a shut-in has nobody but his parents, and those distant relatives, they are seen as a nuisance to annoy you on parties and eat your chicken soup, they would never take participation in his life and their niceness is pretense. A brother to your parent, an intimate person, is a Christmas uncle to you, literally nobody, no more real than Santa Claus hired for 50 dollars a night.

>>26290 Every collectivist group does lol but I agree.

>>28064 Used to browse incel forums quite a bit, I had a phase, they don't hate women. It's rare to see genuinely "politically incorrect" rants; but they're mostly outbursts of frustration. They never actually genuinely hated women. Unless they're truecels, but most truecels are pretty tame. They idealize the idea of young love. This creates some weird lines of thinking.

>>28120 Here's the page of an active incel forum. It's mostly just obsessing over what women want. The people who think otherwise have some weird political goal IMO.

>>26488 >The main issue is confidence and anxiety and those can be managed by taking a couple of mild antidepressants like Bupropion and Escitalopram (Lexapro) Confidence doesn't come from drugs. It comes from actually understanding things and not being dumb afraid of everything that can go wrong. Also, used to masturbate like 3-4 times a day, my confidence shot up when I cut back.

>>28096 No sister and playing video game all day isolated from women. Perfect storm but problems inherent to modern society.

>>28105 >I reckon if you surveyed people who participate in hookup culture(which is NOT every young person, not by a long shot), you'd find that most of them have pretty low life satisfaction, men and women alike. Or maybe they simply enjoy sex. There's nothing wrong with that, so long as everyone involved goes into the hookup with their eyes open, and gives full and sober consent.

>>28129 You know there is data, no need to guess and satisfaction is down. There was also some psych stuff suggesting increased casual sex is just cope with everyone being too poor to build a family and get kids fulfilling their biological drive. Cheating being rooted in the same wiring- if your partner cant provide kids you have to find another one. As for gaming - thats just another low effort cope same as regular drugs. Addiction doesn't stem from the substance but is rooted in escapism because the best predictor for successful rehab is fixing the persons live issues. If life is good there is no need to go back and rehab succeeds, if life is soykaf they will fall back into escapism.

>>28132 >You know there is data, no need to guess and satisfaction is down. No, I don't know that there is data. Link? And I can pretty confidently speak for myself when I say that I do hookups because I just like to screw. There's no real deeper meaning to analyze. It's just fun.

>>28133 The problem stems from the other person not necessarily sharing your mindset. I think you understand that the standard for hookups is lower than relationships. Others don't and they get bitter because all they get is hookups without ever being able to secure the same type for a relationship as they believe they can shop for a relationship at the level they can get a hookup.

>>28129 I enjoy sex, I've had two tinder hookups both with a clear understanding of what I was doing and (mostly) sober, both of them were very unsatisfying and made me disgusted with myself.

>>28100 well that's a shame. I actually paid her quite handsomely. for the first video she asked lots of questions about context and stuff. Second vid I worry she didn't care as much. I mean I get that it's a difficult job, right. I just wanted lina to understand what was happening and took soykafloads of work to make that 'possible' but if they're soykaf I suppose thats something I need to look at eventually.

>>28100 I'd never heard of kohlchan to be honest, I'll develop a post, but I did post it to 2ch. I think it had similar translational issues, I just put up a pic of Lin and had to google translate a soykafty promotional message. I hear among the mountains of pedos, in Brazil many rever her as a goddess, so I tried the same with brchan. No replies for either though. I think I can't overcome the language barrier, probably never will. I'd forget english to understand those warm cyrillic musings I am thin (ish) now, it's filmed in reverse. So thank you no homo but, I've been unattractive my whole life. It formed me as a person, feels very unreal to be called anything decent, even though I tried to look as good as possible. Maybe others disagree but, that is what I stick by at least.

>>28152 >>28100 Oh I knew kohlchan as krautchan. I didn't really go on imageboards for almost 2 years.. You're righter than I said though, I should go post it to 2ch again. I definitely know I need a foreign audience.

>>26287 I have chosen to spend the next year of my life recreating the exact same movie, again. Changing a lot of the featured content I only included to pander or as part of the stupid narrative I thought it made. Not avoiding anything controversial or anti women just because I'm scared of losing normal person appeal. Editing it to be like a proper film, because that is impossible when you have 0 experience. I refuse to make a different movie because the core idea is too good to waste on a just a first film project. All criticism is being read, considered and learnt from. I'm struggling immensely with motivation and took a long time to decided to continue. I brood over how much time was wasted, how pointless it might be, how delusional I was, and how Alina is still perceived.

>>28156 That's good to hear, compromising your viewpoint for their palatability was never going to work. Remember, normalf@gs aren't concerned that a growing number of men are becoming disenfranchised social dropouts, they're concerned that these outcasts' complaints are a nuisance to their hypergamous, solipsistic lifestyle. Anything that doesn't demonize incels and place all the blame on them will only be met with fingers in the ears, there is no middle ground.

>>26287 These guys are fuarrrking retards I GET 0 PUSSY AM A VIRGIN Imagine letting pussy define you as a person weak mentality

>>29264 This is the "I don't get pussy" version of "bro you don't get pussy".

Incels means they are involuntarily celibate, that usually means they actively try to get pussy and this makes them bitter little wankers when they can't get some. Unless you don't care about pussy, being an incel probably means you are a petty gross cunt. Really, is your hand that bad? >t. Happy never getting human contact. fuarrrk human contact.

Incel = person with a normal enough childhood that gives them the desire for human contact. Incels are just unattractive normal people. normal people want sex. Retards that they are

>>26293 The burden falls on them because they are men, but I'm sure you're aware of that fact already. >>26294 >ethical obligation to be a decent person I'd welcome you to abide by that but don't force your morality onto others. As for social anxiety or depression, I don't see how those factors are any less genetic than the poor bone structure they're given. But then I'm a determinist. >>26315 >The problem is that feeling is fleeting Fleeting maybe but there is a big difference between living a life having experienced it and not experienced it. The only reason we can sit here and say it's not a big deal is because we had the experience. >>26322 The majority of this outrage for mistreatment of minorities and women is created by women. Why would women have any sympathy for unattractive men? Do you have a lot of sympathy for landwhale women? >>26488 You're very naive. This works for you. This works for some men. Incels are very literally defined as the bottom of the barrel men for whom it doesn't work. The reactions you get from women by just existing are very different to those incels get even when they really try. >>27193 I sounded a lot like your friend a year ago, just add mental unstability to it (granted I am a student, so I have an excuse for being broke). Yet I'd fuarrrk my girlfriend x2 every time I saw her and she was all over me. Difference? I was roided 9% bodyfat, ripped and attractive. Do you see the inherent bullshit at the core of the dating dynamic? If you have to have a stable career and "aspirations", your partner is not attracted to you for the reasons you think they're attracted to you. >>27203 Once again refer to my reply above. I was every single one of those things and got away with outwardly showing it because I was very attractive. It's not a personality thing. >>28104 You should define your own purpose.

>>30088 yeah I never even knew the word incel and someone told me I was one. I guess I wouldn't mind getting a girlfriend if I had the opportunity(?) I'm def not someone who hangs out in incel forms or is proud of my lack of success with human relationships. But from what I'm reading on this thread maybe you need to embrace it as an identity to truly be an incel?

Incel is just another trendy modern bullshit term to identify and disqualify automatically without considering humanity or the individual. Like bigot, fascist, fagit, leftist, nazi, etc., etc. The kind of crap society do to easy it up for lazy idiots to think they can just judge people and throw them in some conceptual garbage without a thought. Yesterday, trannies were literal human soykaf to society. Now, abracadabra, we have the goddamn incels. They are just playing with your inability to be a real compassionate human. Reinforcing cynical behavior. Now we know that Schopenhauer were an incel, so fuarrrk him, right? >if he is honest by being very very sad and fuarrrked up, we can be merciful and not bash the crap outta him No, go to hell normalf4g.