Worker steel toed/combat/jumper/Martens style boots

Shoes liked by many subcultures and individualists. They come in various heights and eyelets counts. They have different sole types. They may or may not have protective steal cap in toe section. 1st image is typical example of Polish "glany" (word originated from term "glancować" - "to shine something") boots - steel toed type of footwear popular among eastern European punk and metalheads inspired by western counterparts of steel toed boots as well as regional worker and police boots of the '80s. It has very thick polish made multilayered sole with surface rendering good traction in terrain and winter. They are generally very affordable in comparison to western European brands and IMHO last longer than many western brands. Lower price is due to lower wages in Poland and easy access to good enough quality leather (Poland has long traditions of footwear and leather manufacturing). Recommended brands: Nagaba and Steady's (both from Poland and they produce shoes in Poland). Brands to avoid: Steel (brand is Czech, place of production is unknown). 2nd image is example of so called "Martens style" boots from UK company Solovair that was an original fabric for Dr Martens brand before that brand moved production to China. They are known to be of better quality than modern China made Dr Martens boots. You can buy shoes with similar air pocket rubber soles from other companies. Although some brands tend to have thin soles that crack and break in tension regions - I personally had such experience with a pair from UK brand Grinders. 3rd image is one of Corcoran (USA brand) jump boots - they have roots in WW2 when they were used by paratroopers. They are popular also in circles of more casual than typical alternative fashion. Do you wear such type of footwear? If no/yes - why? What are your favorite brands?

Actual work boots(in the US at least) are very different, look more like hiking boots. Pic related. Firemen use boots sort of like those glany boots. I don't think cops even wear boots here. Doc martens are soykafty shoes. When I see someone wearing them I find it hard not to judge them. I mostly wear sneakers, if I'm trying to look "punk" I have some well-used black hiking boots. For work, I'm too cheap to buy actual steel-toed work boots, so I use some old hiking boots that are a little too big.

I used to wear docs but when my last pair got too fuarrrked up to repair I bought cop boots like pic related. They're a bit more comfortable when you're on your feet a lot and they kind of make me feel like a school shooter.

>>24219 This. When I used to work in a warehouse everyone wore hiking boots.

>>24218 I like wearing boots. For work I normally wear the cheapest composite toe boots I can find (company policy) and I destroy them after like 6 months anyway. In my private life I wear bellelvile mini-mils which have the lowest sole profile iirc of any boot. I have some worn BATES superboot 3s that are pretty comfortable too, but they seem pretty bulky, so I only wear them for riding motorcycles or lifting heavy soykaf from time to time. I also wear a number of other boots, Caterpillar and timberland for just a few of the brands. I want to get the Nike SFB2 for that cyberpunk asthetic and because someone at work said they are really comfortable. >>24219 >Actual work boots(in the US at least) are very different, look more like hiking boots. Pic related. There are so many types, you have lineman boots which go up pretty high, firefighting boots (which are sturdier and huege), and jump boots which have shiny toe caps usually (like corcoran) and jungle boots which make you look like a neonazi unless you are actually in the jungle.

Typical Polish glany are steel toe with sole that is attached with welt, glue and multiple crews. I owe my pair for over 6 years now. Their design is kinda versatile - meaning they don't scream "outdoor" when worn in the city, yet they offer fine protection in muddy forest after few hours of storm. If you grease, wax and polish them they are waterproof. Well waxed and polished glany are easy to clean even after walking in a deep mud. You pretty much just need water and shoe brush. And you can go to the punk/rock/metal/ska concert where they are a staple in mosh pits (people in Poland love to mosh, even on gothic rock concerts there are goths who mosh) - read expect that most people would wear them there meaning it's more safe to be in this type of footwear yourself rather than not for protective value. And last but not least - they are a solid argument in street fights due to their steel caps and really solid soles. And you can mirror shine them like your military drill sergeant loves Goths wear them Punks wear them Metalheads wear them Skinhead wear them Neonazis wear them Motobikers wear them Some air soft gun enthusiasts also wear then. I would say glany are the only alternative nonmainstream footwear that this country ever head in last few decades after fall of commie regime that is affordable and durable at the same time. Pair of solid quality glany with 15 eyelets is around 85 USD. And they should last you good few years if you remember to use grease, wax and shoe polish.

Typical sole tread of Polish glany visible screws reinforcing attachment.

I use Polish tactical boots "Grom Protektor" for about half a year. They are the best boots I've ever had.

i wear my austrian paratroopers all the time, cheap as fuarrrk on ebay if ur from the EU, heard they can be expensive (for surplus) in the USA tho. they are fairly light but they are nice and skinny on the calves, would recommend for a summer boot, sadly they have no padding for winter

>>24248 must look neat when new and well shined, but that crack in sole layers in your picture are not the best advertisement lol for winter you may be fine with thick winter sock (for example military models). I did it for years with my glany even when there was around -20°C. My pair also has no winter padding - some producers offer felt or polar fleece inner lining when you order them. BTW picrel are Polish army boots of pattern used in Polish army from commie times up to the '90s. It's still a pattern worn by Polish ceremonial guard - they also use model with leather soled with nails in it for extra *clack* *clack* *clack* sound while marching.

>>24254 lol i doubled photo - last one had to be this

If there's gonna be ads on lainchan, it might as well be for sick ass Polish boots.

>>24256 I would say Polish shoes are of highly competitive in prices considering their quality that in my experience often outmatches for example UK (I had a pair of Grinders boots from that country) or Portugal made (I owned a pair of Nevermind alt shoes that cost me 130 euro and fuarrrking developed hole in tension region under a year of use and I did grease, wax and moisture them... worst buy ever) shoes of much higher price tag. Also you can customize glany if you contact a producer. They may put studs, spikes, buckles, embroidery or different color variants. And side zippers - but zippers are for weaklings. LOL

No, I had glany from HD brand as teenager but eventually stopped wearing them.

How do you break in tour boots? I typically grease them and then add moisturizer - Korean Holika Holika Aloe Soothing Gel 99% is freaking wonderful for such purpose. Remember you can use face and skincare products on leather boots too. No need to spend millions on drowning boots in mink oil to soften them before 1st wear. Later I add some glycerine based hand moisturizer. After moisturizer sinks in i typically apply bee wax to seal moisture and waterproof boots. Now you can apply colored shoe polish in color of your boots - if you want specially mirror shine finish use transparent carnauba wax rich polish for last step of polishing. Don't go overboard with it tho as carnauba is pretty hard wax and too thick layer would crack and peel of easily. Protip: Do not use Kiwi brand. It's an absolute trash mowadays.

>>24309 s/tour/your/

Why should I grease and wax my glany? I always wear them dirty anyway.

>>24392 >why do I care for leather products so they can last longer as it prevents cracking by increasing elasticity and prevents drying and also makes them highly waterproof

Found a blog post of some dude from Poland with outfit that includes Corcoran boots. source: https://dandycore.pl/2019/07/sie-ubrac-zombie-apokalipse-o-czarnej-skorzanej-ramonesce.html/

>>24237 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfMy1V7Ma8E DR. MARTENS' BOOTS!

>>24928 Yea, good old clip. Here vid with comparison of Dr Marten's boots made in England version and Solovair version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXR2vxO2p7Y

I prefer ultraboosts, I had these types of Converse all black, they died out really quickly (javel stains)

>>24959 Fun fuarrrkt - french army has or had kinda coverse like canvas boots

The converse are great shoes, I loved them, I had these pairs for 2 years, but I was dumb to wear when I had to clean up a friends place and some Javel fell onto the shoes (some red/brown marks) and I started to look for some other category of shoes, fell onto the Ultraboost's, feels like a pillow to walk with, kinda sad about my Converse because I can't really find them anywhere for a decent price, I've saw a Gore-Tex Converse Edition all black though https://www.converse.com/shop/goretex-styles I'm a newbie to techwear, I'm refreshing this thread so I can see all your stuff

>>24964 Get a pair of Palladium shoes if you're into Converse.

If you can't walk for 8 hours, run 10 kilometers straight or ride a bicycle in your shoes, they are fetishist larp useful for showing off in front of your butt buddies. Anything that doesn't have a wrap-around galoshe cup sole is not suitable for winter in an industrialized landscape: your leather will start peeling off from all the reagent salts and spilled motor oil on snowy sidewalks and roads.

>>24218 I prefer ones that are light and comfortable and more importantly I prefer something that can tank a rainy day. Found out Adidas and Skechers are quite good even better than Nike or other meme sneakercon tier ones in terms of durability. Most other shoes I've tried usually just give up after getting a little moisture and aren't designed to or easily breaks after just one tiptoeing. Actually that's a good benchmark to test shoes, do a tiptoe but careful not to break it when you're just browsing a store. >>24964 Vintage Converse are really great so you may not find something as good as your old one especially if something that was from the 90s. I recommend Adidas or Skechers though if you like to take long strolls or running.

>>24964 I found Converse to be very uncomfortable, odd weighting, etc. The best pair of shoes in recent memory was a pair I got for 8$ at walmart. I went to all the sports shoe stores and so on, but quite literally ZERO shoes have an arch underneath. They are flat on the bottom, absolutely 100% fuarrrking FLAT. Worthless. I used to have a really nice pair of Adidas like 10+ years ago with this pseudo-leather tongue, good weight, very durable. Nothing like that made today.

I like boots but hate laces and am uncomfortable with straps. Help?

>>25606 So, no laces, no straps, no buckles or similar fastenings? That about leaves fitted boots which will pretty much be custom work, or zippers.

>>25624 Oh right, I forgot. Jackboots would work too.

>>25580 >Anything that doesn't have a wrap-around galoshe cup sole is not suitable for winter in an industrialized landscape: your leather will start peeling off from all the reagent salts and spilled motor oil on snowy sidewalks and roads. I see that a concept of leather care is alien to you.

>>25606 >I like boots but hate laces and am uncomfortable with straps. Help? Chelsea boots, riding/officer boots

realistically no one will ever respect laced boots just go pay a man make custom fit for your leg and stop buying into soykaf

>>25731 >realistically no one will ever respect laced boots just Punks, skinheads, goths would >go pay a man make custom fit for your leg and stop buying into soykaf >zipper boots known in my country as "I am unable to lace my boots on my own and have to ask mommy to do that".

I like the looks of these type of boots but I find boots feel unnatural for me. I like my soles thin enough I have a sense of the ground underneath me and I like a flat sole because the mid sole groove I sometimes have hooked up on something as I step over things which can make me stumble. I also have increasingly been concerned about leather how unless it's oil tanned it's tanning process is an environmental hazard and a health hazard for the people working on it who often are not provided adequate protective equipment.

This entire thread: https://youtu.be/_Eq8TOiqkCM?t=42

>>26131 It has been posted already

It comes out that New Rock has steel toe models

I like those on girls but guys wearing those just look dumb.

>>27377 that's like saying the funny frog picture has been posted already

>>28673 Because you are not into males and males dressed non-normal person looks silly to you.

>>28675 gay lain here, i gotta agree with the other anon. women and brutalist/industrial aesthetics go together like strawberries and cream. put a gas mask on a guy though, and you'll quickly get sent careening into fagdom.

>>28676 I have been around alt crowd and bikers for so long that to be honest I find the look to be quiet normal. Fancy dresses, gasmaks and high boots with buckles and shiny stuff on males do not rise my eyebrow. They do stand out on general male population, but that's about all.

>>28676 > gotta agree with the other anon. women and brutalist/industrial aesthetics go together like strawberries and cream. put a gas mask on a guy though, and you'll quickly get sent careening into fagdom. Is that wrong? IMHO picrels are looking cool as fuarrrk and they adhere to industrial fashion.

>>24218 Nice thread! I was thinking about buying dr martens for the first time. How do they work as a winter shoes? Any tips on what to wear with them? I want to avoid looking like a soldier/goth/punk/someone into bdsm. I am more into some grunge stylistics.

>>28680 Grunge was just a couple bands in Seatle rather than a subculture but i get what you mean. You would want second hand Doc Martins so the leather is more worn in already. Check thrift shops first, Facebook Marker if you have a FB (i know many Lainons dont but..), and those sites that sell used fashion.

I wear the classic Martens, because they have the unique benefit of other girls recognizing you as queer. I've also heard good things about various military surplus stores. Have to agree with >>28673 though, they look kinda weird on non-twink guys.

>>28683 Most non standard normal person stuff looks weird on non twink guys. Because most guys can't fuarrrking dress themselves.

More massive men can look good in tall boots when paired with loose/baggy trousers. As military used to do for quiet a while.

Males have differently body proportions therefore they have to wear certain piece differently as every clothing piece affects/changes reception of body proportions differently on them than on females. Twinks can mostly copy a lot from females because their bodies lack a lot in resort of muscle mass. As muscle grow on man he becomes wider horizontally hence outfits need different strategies to create harmony. More massive legged males can benefit from wider opening at the top while on slim guys they will look out of the place. And very slim boots on massive guys can cause lower parts of legs to look very thin - even much thinner than rest of the body. Pairing boot parameters to the style of your outfit and body type/shape/height is an art in itself. High boots became rarity in modern male fashion despite the fact they were pretty popular up to about early 19the century both in Europe and in Asia. Mostly due to switch from horseback riding to mechanical transport like trains and later cars. Therefore modern men can lack some key skills in pairing them with rest of the wardrobe as well as simply lacking pieces of wardrobe that would go well with his silhouette when wearing higher boots.

There s a lot of material on different ways males were wearing long boots in different times.

There is also this style of wearing higher boots with cuffed jeans when you are more muscular male individual.

>>24218 I've been thinking about getting boots for some time. Martens Mono Black looks great, but they are pricey for what they are. And I've been looking around for some alternatives. I guess that OP is polish, so I would like to get your recommendation on that topic. What brand of shoes do you recommend that I can get in pl. I heard that Steels are pretty good and there is also Altercore. I would like something that is not too edgy.

I like the idea of canvas boots, and I was interested in palladium boots, because of their history in making combat boots for the french paratroopers and foreign legion. Unfortunately I have heard that they outsourced their manufacture to china, and so quality is not great. Any lains have experience with palladium boots or shoes? How comfortable are they?

>>28699 STEEL is pure garbage. They are well known brand among younger crowd because they are cheap and introduced very fancy designs quiet early. Most people who wear glany/martensy types of boots call STEEL boots garbage after trying other brands. But I would avoid them at all costs quality wise. Altercore on the other hand has better press. But they are nowadays mostly so called "vegan leather" and have only few options in real leather that is way better material for shoes. Unless you are a vegan and leather is a no go for you. I guess you are into martens type rubber airpocket soles. Right? Subel/Steady's/T-Rex (same company just selling under 3 brands) have such type of soles too. Their boots are good quality/price ratio products. Dunno if they have currently all black sole. Shop to check with example of Marten's like shoes https://rockglany.com/pl/p/Glany-T-rexM-8-oczek-czarne-/259 <-- steel toe with separate layer covering it https://rockglany.com/glany-T-rex-N-6-oczek-czarne-full <--- steel toe but no separate layer covering toe, different sole As for the "shine" you can with some effort do a military parade grade mirror shine on a matter leather you just need to use for last layers of shoe polish a polish with high content of carnauba wax (avoid KIWI parade gloss soykaf as it's a silicon based shoe polish and silicone causes skin to dry shortening it's lifetime very very rapidly). Get picrel Saphire Pate de Luxe. You can but that shoe polish on Allegro or some online shops. If you are lazy contact that shop and ask if they can make you a pair in shiny leather, they probably can do even a patent leather if that is your thing and you are avare of downsides od patent leather. Anyway they are (at least were last time I was interested) open in doing customizations for their clients. Like different leather, soles, height, they can add stuff etc. Just phone them or mail them. I would stay away from Portugese and UK made martens clones (only Solovair IMHO is worth considering as they are the original UK factory where Martns were made before they moved production to China) dues to issues with leather quality. Polish leather boots have typically superior durability wise material in Polish climate. They also tend to have leather finishes that have plastic feel and is prone to cracks. In case of thin leathers it may cause shorter life span of shoes as leather underneath finish is often very soft and prone to developing holes. UK brand Grinders Marten's like sole tends to develop cracks across the sole. I hope that helps. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

>>28700 Look for military surplus. Stuff that ends in army possession passes highest quality control. Same company may make identical design for civilian market but use cheaper materials and give a less fuarrrk about quality. So by getting actual army surplus you increase chances you get high quality stuff. Not to mention you typically get them for cheaper. Also keep in mind that there might be companies that are selling copies of shoes and have nothing to do with army production. So make sure you are getting an actual army surplus.

>>28702 Military specification is usually a lowest common denominator for quality control though. I also have an issue with wearing previously worn footwear. Is there a way to know the difference between military quality and chinese trash?

>>28703 > I also have an issue with wearing previously worn footwear. Is there a way to know the difference between military quality and chinese trash? Check trusted surplus sellers in your country - they would list new as new and used as used. Not all surplus was worn. There are many new oldstocks army items on the market that were hermetically sealed and stored for years or even decades in warehouses. French leather army gloves from the '80s are good example - you can find them easily in europe hermetically sealed over 30 years ago. You just have to unpack them and do basic leather conditioning and they look like they came from factory yesterday. People from Air Soft Gun community or survivalists would be able to recommend you good sellers/shops. Reputation of the seller is the key factor in lowering risk to as close to zero as possible. If you are from France or this type of boots is being used in army of country you live in check out if there are some official places where army sells their surplus.

>>28702 Is there a way to buy army surplus without giving money to the government?

Own a pair of red doc marten boots. After breaking them in they're super comfy and they look stylish with most things + they're good for both walking for hours in the city and hiking in the countryside. I'd love to get a pair of victorian style working women's boots since they appear to be equally comfy and good for walking around, but not many brands do good reproductions... and when they do it's some vegan leather soykafe.

>>28706 Buying them from these who already gave govt their money. LOL >>28707 In Europe victorianesque female boots are quiet easy to get. Several Slavic and Germanic countries use them in folk dancing ensambles. "Female dancing boots", "folk dancing female boots", also "cancan boots" etc. But if you have in mind exactly the design of these in your photo - no idea where to get them, but looking for the dancing boots like picrel might yeld some similar designs if you are in Europe or shipping from Europe is OK for you.

>>28701 Wow, thank you so much for such a comprehensive answer. I like both pairs that you linked up. Although first pair design is more appealing to me but what about those weird wrinkles? Also, I find these two bad boys. What do you think? https://rockglany.com/glany-Campilot-T-rex-8-oczek-czarne https://rockglany.com/glany-steadys-8-dziurek-czarne Did you consider making videos (or write blog) about boots, you seem very knowledgeable in this topic?

>>28720 >Wow, thank you so much for such a comprehensive answer. I like both pairs that you linked up. Although first pair design is more appealing to me but what about those weird wrinkles? Wrinkles like that on the leather boots are normal and very common and are unavoidable in long run even on very luxury shoes. They are the mark that you are wearing genuine leather. You can get them also on original UK made Doc Marten's back in the days. Purely dependent on pretty random characteristics of piece of leather that given fragment of boots is made of. It's a material that grows on animals in shape of animals, not in shape of boots if you get what I mean. Shoemakers can theoretically lower wrinkling by working with pieces that are naturally shaped closer to how boot fragment is going to look like and by making them exactly to your measurements of leg and feet. But that's very expensive and time consuming. They typically work with flattened pieces of leather but animal skin is not flat like a sheet of paper therefore you are not going to get equal flatness in all regions of sheet of leather. There are leather boots finishes that try to prevent wrinkling to get visible but IMHO it's not worth the effort as they only mask the tensions within leather and sooner or later due to that tension and work of bending of boots during walking cause such finishes to crack. IMHO it's far better to have wrinkled leather than cracked finish. >https://rockglany.com/glany-Campilot-T-rex-8-oczek-czarne https://rockglany.com/glany-steadys-8-dziurek-czarne These are classic glany from same producer (Campilot/Steady's/T-Rex/Subel). Soles are great for more outdoor conditions you can experience in forest or in the city during winter - mud, snow, ice. They should not have issues that airpocket soles can have with cracking. Keep in mind their soles make them more "punky"/"outdoor". As far as I am aware all Polish made glany with that black outdoor sole tread have soles made in same factory and I own a pair of glany that have very thick sole (multilayered) and it never cracked during over half of a decade of wearing them both in the city and in muddy forest environment as well as few mosh pits on punk concerts. Going to the topic of mud - if you do a basic leather care procedure of moisturizing and greasing the leather and applying bee wax to impregnate the skin and later apply shoe polish properly cleaning them would be a matter of few swift moves of wet rag and cleaning shoe brush. It's a truly magical experience when you do it for a fist time. IMHO it's the best to buy 2 pairs as ideally you should wear one pair no longer than for a day and then let them dry for at least a day. Spending 600 PLN on two pairs of quality boots that you can wear for 5+ years as long as you make an effort to do initial moisturizing/greasing/waxing procedure and then repeat it at least once a year after stripping old layer of shoe polish is IMHO not a bad investment. Especially in times when most mainstream crap falls apart on it's own after like a year. Making you spend even few times more on shoes in total during these 5 years. If you need a tutorial on doing mirror shine there is plenty of videos on youtube from army people polishing their military boots as well as from classic elegance enthusiasts polishing their luxury oxford shoes. It's all the same procedure no matter what kind of boots. You can eventually check out if there are any models you are interested in at this site: https://rockmetalshop.pl/firm-pol-53-KMM.html These are last items from Polish KMM plus brand from Jedlińsk (not to be confused with Czech KMM brand that stole their logo and brand) that seems to be now defunct as glany producer. These were the best glany made in Poland ever. They also were selling their glany under brand name of "Opposition" few years ago. As Rockmetalshop is selling last items of the stock they had there is much more limited choice of sizes. >Did you consider making videos (or write blog) about boots, you seem very knowledgeable in this topic? Yea I did consider blogging. But I kept being busy with other stuff. Maybe in closer future I'm going to actually do that. There is currently a truckload of male bloggers covering classic male fashion (you know suits, ties, oxford shoes that kind of stuff) but zero bloggers on more alternative styles. As I myself adhere to alternative fashion.

Odd question but does there exist steel toed boots or shoes that are minimalist or at least somewhat? I mean a thin sole. I am assuming not because the thin sole would make a steel toe cause issues. Why I dont like boots usually is lack of ability to sense the ground and how it alters my normal way of walking and the loudness of the hard rubber hitting the ground.

>>28728 Yea, there are. Look for shoes/boots for warehouse workers, ironworkers etc. Some of them have thin soles, but they may be quiet rare. But do not if they are as thin as you want as it's kinda counterproductive to put steel toe on thin sole because of amortization reasons. There may be some purely fashion designs that are nonfucntional in working environment but they have very thin sole and still have steel toe. Even for martial arts purpose it would make sense to give such shoes somewhat at least minimal thickness in resort of sole.

>>28731 1st pic German Army Bundeswehr workshoes 2nd pic some steel toed shoes with breathing membrane that look like regular sport shoe 3rd pic some another example of otherwise normally looking shoes that have steel cap toe

Quality Polish glany producers you can actually buy: - KMM plus from Jedlińsk that have ROUND KMM logo on bottom of sole, not to be confused with Czech KMM (Moravia Adler Cz, from Mikulovice) that have elliptic logo on bottom of soles. They had designs inspired by New Rock. Production seems to be halted at the moment, so only old stocks available - at least at rockmetalshop.pl - Nagaba - customizations possible (contact producer) - zipper, buckles, studded, winter termal insulation - Campilot (from Chełmek) - under brands of at least Steady's, T-Rex, Subel, they have leather with prints on it, customizations like zippers, studs, buckles possible including emboidery of your design (contact producer) All brands mentioned above are made in Poland, including their classic glany soles. No idea where rubber airpocket soles in style of Doc Marten's are made. Good brand from the past that does not exist anymore - Truck Boots - was bought by Subel few years ago, had very sturdy leather - Cockney - were made by Punk team from Kraków very D.I.Y. feel due to use of very basic hand tools Shitty brands popular in Poland: STEEL - cheap and cool designs but have quality issues. Brand is Czech BTW, not Polish. I didn't find info where are they made. I didn't test or have opinions on other brands.

Correction - I did some more research and judging by facebook page Cockney glany are still being made but guy responsible for making them moved from Poland to the UK. fb page: https://pl-pl.facebook.com/pg/cockneyshoes/posts/ web page: https://cockneyshoes.co.uk/

>>25580 >neurosuggesting anyone on lainchan can run for 10 kilometers or walk for 8 hours

>>28727 I think I will be going with KMM 008 black as my first pair. They look a bit similar to classic martens, but I like the idea of supporting local biz. Also, I got a stupid question. Do you have any experience with dying shoe stitching? It's hard to find glany with black stitches, so I figured maybe I can dye them myself. > There is currently a truckload of male bloggers covering classic male fashion (you know suits, ties, oxford shoes that kind of stuff) but zero bloggers on more alternative styles. As I myself adhere to alternative fashion. Can you post some of your outfits with glany?

>>28807 Where did you find them? Are you sure these are local Polish (KMM Plus, jedlińsk), not the Czech ones from company that questinably named themselves KMM (MORAVIA ADLER CZ s.r.o.) as was mentioned already in this thread? Polish ones are great quality, I have no idea what is the quality of Czech ones. >Also, I got a stupid question. Do you have any experience with dying shoe stitching? It's hard to find glany with black stitches, so I figured maybe I can dye them myself. Permanent marker should do the job. Just remember to do not touch leather with it as it contains alcohol that dries leather. You would reinforce blackness of stitching during applying black shoe polish. >Can you post some of your outfits with glany? I never been instawhore so far I barely have any pictures of myself. Also I don't think my outfits would be of big help to you in case we have different body types. I would say 8 eyelets are pretty versatile - you can go full punk rock with them as well as go more toned down.

>>28808 Damn, my bad, these are actually the Czech ones. Shit is confusing. > I never been instawhore so far I barely have any pictures of myself. Also I don't think my outfits would be of big help to you in case we have different body types. I would say 8 eyelets are pretty versatile - you can go full punk rock with them as well as go more toned down. Ok, I was just wondering if I can get some inspiration. Thanks for answer.

>>28809 I don't know what style you are into but there is plenty of pictures online of people with such boots. If you want too look at more alt crowd key words to look for are - rivetheads, cyber industrial, deathrock revival, tradgoth + martens/steel toed. Most of these types of outfit fit glany aesthetics. Personal style is something you develop by trial and error (more errors the more knowledge you get at the end) meaning what you feel OK in and pretty much nor giving too much damn about opinions of others who don't understand why are you wearing this or another type of boots, clothing or hairstyle. It has to be fun for YOU. There is no point in wasting life wearing something you feel bad wearing. There is always someone who is not going to like your look - even when you are in full formal male fashion attire.

>>28731 >>28732 Not quite what I had in mind, though I kinda like those German army shoes. Was thinking something that doesn't look quite "normal" but still functional enough to handle occasional accidents and people stepping on toes. I know it's a huge contradiction what I said maybe i wasnt thinking it through entirely since I know if the sole is all over equally thin to where it's very flexible it creates a point of potential breakage where the steel toe would end at and could fall appart. So yeah i acknowledge it cant be full on barefoot/minimalist while being steel toed. Tempted to design my own if I had the right tools to make boots and shoes.

>Brands to avoid: Steel (brand is Czech, place of production is unknown) what is bad about Steel? Btw I think they are produced in Zlín. Similar band is KMM (on the picture). They produce their boots also in Zlín on old Baťas machinery. KMM actually doesn't mean anything cool and hip, but it is from Klub Mladé Módy - young fashion club in english

>>28936 >what is bad about Steel? Compared to like every Polish brand that survived since the 90s up to this day - Steel's skin is prone to cracking due to strange finish (plastic?) it's also hard and heard numerous stories of soles falling off quiet fast. >Btw I think they are produced in Zlín. Last time I checked they were not disclosing manufacturing place on their webpage or doing any reference to even continent that they are made at let alone country. >KMM actually doesn't mean anything cool and hip All I know is that KMM was originaly Polish brand from Jedlińsk and Czechs riding on the hype of their quality copyrighted same name and very similar logo in Europe, while Polish KMM had trademark only for Poland. There was even a lawsuit at some point. So it's a kind of brand hijacking. So it is indeed nothing cool and hip about Czech KMM >They produce their boots also in Zlín on old Baťas machinery. If they use same skin type and sole attaching method as Steel - they are a big NO in my list of this type of boots in regard of quality.

>>28811 Me again. I went with the martens mono black eventually. I chose size 43 (US 10) which is a similar size to what I normally wear (between 9 and 10 US). Well, problem is my heel is slipping a bit unless I lace them around my ankle (which looks lame af). I researched this a bit and found that people choose smaller sizes and then try to break them down. I wonder if it would work. Or is it a better idea to get some kind of insole like memory foam or even heightening one?

>>28964 Definitely go a size below with docs. I usually wear 43 but i need 42 with docs. To make the breaking-in period shorter and more comfortable, saturate the leather with oil, wear them with thick socks and give them plenty of flexion besides walking, as to stretch them out. I recommend neatsfoot oil, as it works wonders to make any leather more supple, mink oil or anything similar will work too, preferably not synthetic. You should see a marked improvement after a few weeks. After that, simply grease them once in a while and you're good.

>>28965 >>24218 Is the same goes for Grinders (Cedric) in terms of size and breaking?

>>29019 I have to warn you that grinders have finish prone to cracking. Cracking in a way it looks like hey have some sort of synthetic coating. Not in usual leather cracking/wrinkling way.

>>29180 I mean the craks on their finish look kinda in a way that cracked paint on the wall looks minus peeling off.

This is how I roll. Mil-tec Pilotenstiefel. Comfy as fuaark! Classic design. Good looking, because it's not even trying to be tacticool. Lacing is easy with the...don't know what to call'em. Good soles too.

>>29205 How is their quality?

>>24248 Got similar type of boots best 60 euros I have ever spend

>>29222 What exact model you get?

Nice thread.

>>24223 >In my private life I wear bellelvile mini-mils Informative boot post anon. Appreciate it. $170 + shipping seems really excessive for military boots likely manufactured in a developing country. Are they available on any online markets?

Oh, a thread for me! I got me a pair of Martens last christmas and somehow they haven't give up after 5 months. I thought these boots will kill my feet, but they are the most comfortable footwear I have ever had. I am aware that they have like a year or two before they give, so I am already looking for a replacement. I really like the looks of them and I want to stick to them, but I am open for suggestions. Anyone? I have heard some bad opinions about polish Steel glany, but I have heard the same about Martens so I am pretty skeptical of them. Also, any tips for maintenance? Products, et cetera? I want to get the most out of them. Picrel is the exact model I have.

>>30648 >will fail in a few years I don't know your standard shoe failure mode but you can likely get em resoled if thats the problem. If its a like, toe joint leather failure thats a bit harder. >maintainance neetsfoot oil, black polish, dubbin. If they're actually those then the brands shouldn't matter too much. Don't over do it but don't under do it either. Oil them a bit if they get totally drenched, after letting them dry out of course. >other suggested types always hard to suggest actual specific shoes cause your feet are your own and fit matters. Try before you buy etc. Pretty nice that your Christmas present ones fit well.

>>30649 >standard shoe failure mode sneakers tend to last one year for me, but I think it's given with how shoes are being made these days (I am looking at you, Vanshit and Kike) >maintenance thanks for the tips, what would be the golden spot? once a month, bimonthly?

>>30654 >failure mode by that I mean like, whats the part that breaks/wears out. Ive seen people who seem to wear through the soles, me I generally bust it around where the joint of my big toe meets the foot. Some failures are easier to mend than others. >what would be the golden spot ehh don't worry about it. Once every month or two is ok. Or whenever you're wanting to make it nice and pretty. Or once in a while when you have the time. Depends how much you use em. I wear weird shoes, not like here, and do it probably once every couple months or a little when I get em wet.

I daily drive the Demonia Riot 18s, goth fashion but still steel. The riot line has both leather and fake leather, obviously I recommend the real stuff. Before this my go to was a pair of steel toes by Wolverine, less style and more practical.

An anon posted his love of the bellelvile mini-mils $170 plus shipping is ridiculous tho, anything similar available in any of the chinese markets? They're probably manufactured there anyway.

>>30647 >>30712 Minimil lain, fuarrrk me, I don't remember them costing more than $110, and mine are starting to wear out. I am probably going to get some paladiums, because they arent too bad for the price and look pretty good. Not my first choice, but I wont look like a ninja larper. the minimalist or zero-drop trend is gone, so good hunting lains. Waxi boots are really comfortable according to a few of my friends who wear them regularly. Unfortunately, I think kommandostore is the only official US distributer, IIRC they occasionally post coupons on 4ch /k/ board.

>>24218 I wear Jungle Boots/Combat Boots. These are not fancy at all, they're made out of fabric and rubber, that makes them cheap af. I couldn't find the exact ones I own, but there are similar ones on Aliexpress (altough I'm not sure about their quality). These work fairly well during and after rain. After summer rains and floods, there are piles of mud and trash in the streets. These badboys keep my feet dry and clean. As for looks, they seem very tactical but make me look a bit like a police officer/soldier, which is undesirable considering the places I visit. >Maintenance Routine picrel

How difficult would it be to make a boot or shoe?

>>30744 >how hard to make a boot or shoe this is honestly more a /diy/ question but whatever. There's a lot of different styles of boots and shoes, and how easy it is depends a lot on what the style is, how many peices are involved, what tools you have, whether you're working from a pattern or creating a new one, et cetera. Of the shoes I've made, if you have the tools its not that hard at all, kinda like any sewing/leather project. Parts can be time intensive, but some of that (depending on how you do it) might be litterally just waiting for glue to dry. Aspects of it, like lasting, are sort of work intensive and take some skill, but not really that much if you're willing to mess up a bit. And not all shoes need lasts (all the shoes posted in this thread are lasted). Sewing can also be very slow if you don't have a good sewing machine, but thats hard as in 'will take time' and 'might get some blisters if you're not careful' more than as in you'll fail. There's really so much variety its hard to say without discussing specific projects, but the easiest adequate shoes to make are very easy indeed.

>>24218 All my shoes are steel toed because I am cheap as fuarrrk and I won't buy shoes if my boss have to pay me working shoes every year. They all look like that. I have a saying: if you want to know why somebody left his home: look at his shoes. If you wear something like the OP, I would assume things that you would rightly found insulting.

>>24218 I love how the third look, but given my tendency to overpronation they look goofy on me and also I ruin them in no time. IIRC, back in the army my boots almost had holes in inner sides. New Russian military boots are of soykaf quality, of course, and you wear them every fuarrrking day for a whole fuarrrking year (well, about 7-8 months — the summer model). I think it's mainly thanks to my feet rolling inwards though.

>>31139 american military boots are pretty terrible too. Modification is rampant. Also the military just wears through every garment concievable. They need them to be cheap and they find people who can make them cheap.

>>31140 you didn't get the pun

>>24218 Any good functional tanker boots? Corcoran discontinued the black eddition, and Dehners cost $500 USD and are custom order only. I don't want to buy used, and ebay does not have my size. I want these because I don't want to risk shoelaces coming undone, but still want a tight fit. Not a tanker, but work in similar conditions with machinery. Seems like the only people who make boots like this now sell to the punk/grunge/goth scene for fashion and not function.

>>31671 Polish glany from for example Subel if you are fine with this design and feel like this type of buckles is enough. You can probably ask them if they might make other type of belts for them as it seems to be a change that would not affect design of most essential parts of shoe forcing a redesign of most complicated parts. Or if just covering upper part of laces is OK for you - Polish "opinacze" combat boots. Other than that - hard to tell. Most alt/goth/punk brands would have more elaborate stylized designs.

>>31679 Thanks Lain! I would totally buy, but 100 Euros to ship is a little high for me :( This did help a little though, as I now know what this boots are called.

>>31681 ah, you are from burgerland/kanada anyway that 2nd style whatever it is called in english should be available in norf murrika

These are my boots. Tuk. I just bought em cause they're cheap ($80) and they look cool. They're my only shoes

>>31691 That TUK? https://www.tukshoes.com/

>>31692 yeah I can't seem to find em tho. they're from the anarchic line or used to be. got em from the hot topic website on sale.

>>24254 >for extra *clack* don't under estimate how nice hobnails can be just for ease of walking, particularly as compared to a plane leather sole. Hobnails were pretty popular even up till the second world war and appear to have gone out of fashion only due to the avaliability of the sculpted rubber lugged sole.

>>31691 It's animal leather? What can you tell about their quality? I was considering purchase of some other shoes from TUK but I have never seen them in real life. Finish looks kinda worn out. How heavy is to damage that finish? Were you using shoe polish on them regularly? They are expensive for financial reality of my country and I kinda see no point in purchasing shoes this expensice when I can have 2 pairs of glany for their price and be sure glany would survive years until finish starts peeling off even if you just use shoe polish on them once in their lifetime.

Avoid Grinders, thy are soykaftier even than China made Dr Martens... https://youtu.be/xmz90VJd_mA

>>31691 Judging by the state of them I see that concept of shoe polish is alien to you. LOL

I love boots.

>>33220 Do they love you back?

Wow, I never knew boots were so cool :P I usually just wear sandals or nothing, cumbersome clothing tends to mess with my headspace.

>>33643 even in muddy terrain?

>>35334 >even in muddy terrain? not him but mud isnt bad barefoot generally, whats very annoying is cold, wet, and sharp. Any one is fine by itself but two or three can get quite uncomfortable and sometimes injurious, as can terribly hot surfaces of the right sort, or burrs. Other than this barefoot is pretty nice. Mud is generally comfortable, soft and an interesting texture, and frankly I don't think feet have that bad traction either. Only problem is you get a bit wet and soft in the skin, and probably want to clean your feet off before messing up someone's floor. Perhaps in a convenient puddle.

Used to wear a pair of doc marten steel toes for work and non steelies with 16 eyelets out of work. You can still get british made ones, they're just more expensive. Nowadays I wear a pair of Clarks boots as I refuse to pay martens prices. Reason I wear boots over trainers is that they last a lot longer and I prefer them when walking.

>>35335 >do you ride bikes during the hurricane? >not him but swimming the ocean during hurricane is not bad okeeeeey

>thread about cars >gosh, cars are cool. I usually bike or swim! >wow, you even ride bikes or swim while its raining ? >not him but swimming the ocean during rain is not at all bad fixed it 4 u >>35336 >Reason I wear boots over trainers is that they last a lot longer and I prefer them when walking. can I ask how and where your shoes wear out usually/what seems to be the difference ? Sounds maybe like you're just getting sturdy boots vs flimsy shoes, but I guess maybe the solid leather shoe industry has just turned into dress shoes.

>>30741 If you are a rivethead you would like to incorporate such stuff into your wardrobe. Or at least in olden days when rivetheads were actually wearing stuff collected from various sources and not 100 percent Cyberdog stuff.

Any opinion on boots from New Rock?

Anyone know how to get Nagaba boots in the US? Their website doesn't provide any options for this.

>>39766 Person from Poland here. Try contacting them by their contact form https://nagaba.eu/contact Maybe someone is a reseller in the USA but I have no info about such shops. Maybe if you know any shop owner that sells alternative clothing [punk, goth, industrial - this sort of subcultures especially] or shoes in general you would be able to arrange some bulk purchase with them if there are any issues with ordering just one pair. Good luck.

No has posted the classic. Wot!? Under $100. Durable AF. Steel toe. Keeps out water, cold and does a good job insulating you from ground. Good as a 'dress shoe' in hazardous environments.Also good on your motorcycle.

>>40052 dang I have a pair of those (not steel toe). No major complaints and quite comfortable I only wish the heel wasn't so dang tall.

>>40054 The heel is a climbing aid. Also nice for motorcycle foot pegs.

>>40052 I guess that brown part would take leather paint in case someone prefers all black leather look.

>>31736 T.U.K are (and been for a while) made in China. Expect Chinese quality - like there is going to be something that breaks pretty fast. Typically rubber soles giving up first, especially in creeper shoes.

>>42445 When did they start being made in China exactly? Like would old ones second hand be built better?

>>40121 On mine that welt is rubber not leather, IDK what to use for dying it but I'm sure there's some solution

>>42455 No idea, founder is of shoemaking family background and brand was created around 1991 after moved from the UK to the USA. https://www.tukshoes.eu/pages/about-us I guess they been Made In China for many years now. It's sad as they have nice designs but their price is inadequate to quality as they are literally one season shoes unless you are lucky to not break the sole. I managed to do so in few months and I was no even wearing them exclusively. Leather seems to be OKish after you apply shoe polish. But judging by the photo of >>31691 the finish is nothing awesome and on cheaper side (thin as fuarrrk). But keep in mind I'm from Europoor country with long shoe making traditions and I can buy much better quality shoes (and even tall boots) made here in same price range as a pair of new T.U.K shoes.

>>42463 Something made in China doesnt always mean bad quality some factories make high quality stuff. So i wouldnt rule something out in that regard but it would be nice to have a way to track factories down to be able to check how they are run. I do think people in Chinese factories generally are underpaid though,

>>42479 sounds to me like he's complaining about objectively bad quality. Soles that fall off are really bad. Fortunately thats probably the easiest major problem to fix in a shoe like this but its still really bad. Chink soykaf can often be pretty good but its always a sign of the maker trying to cheap out if its not a chink company to begin with.

>>42480 The quality is indeed an issue. It's low as fuarrrk. Soles in question did not fall off. They cracked. They should be replaced if one wants to ave them full functional. Also I saw numerous issues with leather finish peeling off on Amazon. Which means that China workshops are able to fuarrrk up even that pretty straightforward process as applying finish to leather.

I may eventually try George Cox creepers, if their creepers won't last I have no idea who makes any solid quality creepers nowadays. T.U.K sole that cracked was of "air pockets" sole type. Dunno what type of sole is George Cox brand using currently.

>>42482 found this vid by a dude from Japan. Kinda not bad for a time he was wearing them but not impressive either for their price range https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW1h0oG-ZXo It only proves to me that English "corrected" leather is a mistake no one needs expect for people who are for some reason unable to apply a basic leather care like applying MOISTURIZERS, WAX AND SHOE POLISH. It looks like soykaf after it wrinkles and "correction" layer breaks. Unlike how "oldschool" satin finish (commonly used for Polish made glany) stands the same trial of time and mechanical friction. You just polish such leather with shoe polish and it looks good. But not this plastic finish "shiny" leather that English shoe manufacturers seems to love so much. What o downer.

>>42482 that looks like crepe rubber >>42485 coated leather like that is an industrial process to make more square feet per hide, having a surface like that is not a feature its a bugged product with an applied patch of course you could go full suede, apparently suede+crepe is the original creeper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothel_creeper

>>42486 Yes, it's crepe rubber. The problem is that you can use a solid piece of rubber (I would be fine with that even despite the weight) or try some engineering gymnastics to put air pockets inside to "save" material per sole (path that at least some models of T.U.K took). Which in case of crepe rubber is a dumb idea as it wears out faster than more durable types of rubber. There is always an option of buying a sheet of thick crepe rubber (but so far I cannot find anything seriously thick) and attach it to your shoes replacing the "air pockets" version. I didn't know about this finish being a way of making poor quality leather usable for shoe making. It makes the high price of final shoe even more unreasonable. I'm glad that my creepers been bought at over 50 percent discount.

>>42487 >hard to find thick crepe you inspired me to look and yeah Im not finding that much. Thick ? sure sorta, but thick and big enough for a pair of soles or more seems a different matter (or even a single sole). Ill have to keep my eyes out. Best I can find seems to be mcmaster carr, and I'm not sure that's 'crepe' but it is natural rubber in any case. 1" thick, 12x12 beige sheet for $110, oof. of course there is the alternative of gluing several sheets together, or a sheet of foam/cork/something with crepe on bottom. Shouldn't be needed here but always an option. Considering the rimming on >>42482 I wonder if that could be what they're doing, but it might just be an aesthetic choice. >air pockets I see yeah this is actually first I'm hearing about creepers, makes sense thick soles weird me out usually but having pockets makes sense https://www.mcmaster.com/products/natural-rubber-sheets/rubber~/material~natural-rubber/?s=natural-rubber-sheets

>>42488 Crepe sole is naturally white. "Original suede creepers" you mentioned were British army desert "chukka" boots with crepe soles. But their soles were not as thick as modern creepers. I wonder if the thickness of sole we associate today with creepers been somewhat inspired by French zazou subculture of Nazi occupied France that used to sport various pretty thick soles in their footwear. No idea if there was some inspiration for them in shoes worn in the USA as both zazous and various post WW2 subcultures sporting brothel creepers were heavy into US music like initially Jazz (which been already popular before WW2) or it originated in Europe. Many subcultures of soviet bloc and satellite countries that were wearing thick crepe sole shoes (together with western style colorful clothing) were typically DIYing them from regular shoes by removal of original sole and adding sole cut from thick sheet of crepe rubber without adding any rimming - so white color of crepe rubber was exposed. It inspired various slang names for them typically alluding to some white colored dishes. As for shiny leather finish UK producers love to use for popular alternative types of shoes - I can imagine it makes them attractive to people too lazy to properly shine their shoes. I have no problem spending up to over and hour on shining my matte finish shoes to mirror shine. But not many people are like me in that regard.

>>28688 Ugh why is this style associated with confederates? I saw a movie that had greasers in it and some of them had confederate flags

>>45379 Bikers folklore, a lot of them were just using it for aesthetics. Some historic background should be possible to find too.

>>45379 Liking something does not exclude things you dislike from liking it too. If one thinks like this, they're probably an insufferable queer in real life and have no friends. This is sad! What's better than sad? Being glad someone is happy and found something they like. Even better, reaching out and trying to be a friend to someone. Like I like big black boots with heavy duty vibram soles so that way when I curb stomp catamites, the polish keeps any of the blood from sticking on the leather. Work is messy, but I shouldn't be.

>>45379 that flag is a rebel flag and its just part of punk/'rebel' culture. Modern jeans are newer than the confederacy. >>46643 I would have thought hobnails or heel/toe plated shoes would be the preferred footwear for the curbstomper than vibrams, but its been a while since I perused a vibram catalog and I don't know all their heavier duty options. >>42487 a big problem with thick solid soles is just that the weight adds up and makes the whole shoe a drag

>>46645 Have you ever worn any crepe sole shoes? I did and heavy or drag is one of last words I would use for them.

>>46647 thats because they were made with care not by an oaf who glued a 4 inch solid slab of rubber to your feet and called it a day

bit off topic but this is the shoe thread as a shoe enthusiast I was asked to make a pair of 1830s style nice dress shoes anyone have any interesting info on ~ early 19th century shoes? I know more about non dress shoes usually so interested in any good pointers

>>33204 shoe polish is just for hiding defects its like makeup for your boot

>>46817 Not only, it protects too. Minimizes scratching by rubbing - shoe polish rubs off instead of outer layers of leather

I’d like to revive this thread to ask for suggestions on boots with a more natural shape or a wider toe box, in the same spirit as the boots discussed here. This includes options made from natural leather. Additionally, I’m looking for a thinner sole to better feel the car’s clutch pedal. I’ve found a few pairs, but they were all significantly overpriced.

>>24218 There's so many fashionable boots with steel toes then they just don't actually get them fuarrrking industrially safety rated so I have to keep using fuarrrkass safety shoes instead of some comfy leather boots. There's some solovairs that I like the look of and they have steel toes. Can I trust those steel toes to actually save me from breaking my feet? Nope! fuarrrk you stupid fashion weirdos making it so all the nice leather steel toe boots are unusable for people who actually need steel toes. Rant over sorry guys

>no suede/desert boots Are they bad quality? Just unfashionable?

>>24218 > Shoes liked by many subcultures and individualists > extremely dull military looking high boots Yeah it's amazing how absurd it was, back in the day. Anyway, good times. Thankfully some exceptionally talented people of modernity retroactively reimagined it to make it make sense.

I have a question, are red laces still associated with nazism/white supremacy outside the UK? I live in a European country that has close to no associations with the skinhead scene but I don't want to get in useless fights just because I like the way they look. I've heard that punks try to appropriate it but it's nowhere near as known as the original messaging.

>>47811 Suede is maybe good for desert but not so much for example typical weather of areas north from Italy. Unless you live in very clean area and warm climate suede is a nightmare to keep in good shape. Mud and dirt is not a friend of that finish. And it is not recommended if you are into mosh pits at punk/metal gigs. If I ever had a pair of suede boots they would be mostly for late spring to early autumn period. For winter where I live suede would be extremely troublesome with all that mud, snow, road salt etc. tl;dr; fine suede is fine but it's harder to care for it as you don't polish suede and it takes mud and chemicals easily >>48192 lace code been dead for decades plus every city had their own, sometimes it even differed between areas of same city and even then it was often more of a meme, it's a stuff everybody talks about but not many even old timers remember ever seeing IRL t. lainon from central Europe here >>47812 There been some brands like New Rock, Demonia and Pennangalan that made fancier designs but nothing from them was able to beat mass produced military style boots especially in military boots price range.

>>47772 Look for brands making motorbike boots, engineer boots, maybe western boots and horse riding boots.

Don't know if these count as boots they're comfy and warm in the winter I have 3 pairs of boots, like combat type boots but I never wear them because they're heavy and uncomfortable, I like light shoes, I just can't wear heavy shoes

>>48796 >I NEVER wear them >I KNOW they are uncomfortable dafaq?