Reddit thread

Do you guys use Reddit? Do discuss its pros and cons. Also, if you have any recommendations for any good mobile clients for Reddit and/or cool subreddits, do share. I'll go first. Visit r/anime_titties (it's not what you think), r/trees and r/marijuanaenthusiasts.

>>21035 The idea is nice (link aggregation), but they didn't stick to it. I used to use it, but I find most communities (especially politics, memes and meta-stuff) too annoying. I guess it became too mainstream, AFAIK it is displayed by default on Firefox' new tab page. At the very best, it still hosts a few niche communties that are worth following for news or articles. I have a multi-reddit (something like old.reddit.com/r/linux+bsd+lisp) in my bookmarks I visit regularly, so that I don't have to create an account to avoid the stuff I dislike.

I like redditsice theres always need content and variety. 4chan is usually very repetitive and this place is too inactive Slide for Reddit, completely open source TUIR, reddit terminal client (fork of rtv) r/TwoXChromosomes r/Menslib r/AgainstHateSubreddits

>>21035 >Do you guys use Reddit? Yessu yesuu >discuss its pros and cons You have to dig for good communities most subs are trash. I like r/Anki, r/learnmath, r/Common_Lisp, r/Piracy among other stuff. >any good mobile clients I don't use them, but I have rss feeds of the subs that i'm interested in +modified HTML/CSS

>>21035 >Do you guys use Reddit? From time to time, mostly for highly technical info in niche subreddits. I maintain an account mostly to ask questions on programming topics. (Hey, it's either reddit or stackoverflow. I merely dislike reddit. I loathe stackoverflow.) >Do discuss its pros and cons. Pros: *for now* no phone# needed for signup (I expect that to change in a year or so though). My home city has a surprisingly active and useful subreddit. Cons: Default subs are lowest-common-denominator trash. Political subs are micromanaged and/or brigaded to toe the "Wall Street and Silicon Valley uber alles" line ensuring that nothing anti-establishment reaches the front page. Populist subreddits of all schools of political thought are purged of uncooperative mods, or derezzed outright. The admins and C-suite execs are bought and paid for by the military-entertainment-industrial complex. >good mobile clients Slide, available on F-droid. >r/anime_titties You're a person of intelligence and humour. I like you.

>Do you use reddit? Sadly, yes >Pros Activity, much more communities >Cons It's reddit I mostly only browse small subreddits that I won't share for anonymity's sake

I discovered and used reddit at around 2010, when there was no moderation or policy or maybe it just felt like nobody cared about it. The tone back then was of rudeness but also creativity and honesty. reddit nowadays is absolutely censored, moderated and therefore skewed beyond anything I would remotely consider as valuable browsing. Too many users get passive agressively shadowderezzed for absolutely on topic thread creation or comments. What is left are "users" repeating the same old one line comments over and over again, driven by the psychological urge to gain virtual acknowledgement through upvotes as easy and fast as possible. edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger.

I only go for r/linux or r/archlinux since sometines they post news for certain software updates I missed or useful guides. Every other subreddit is dog soykaf or absolutely horrorific. I'd use a different site like Lobsters but they seem like a slower HackerNews instead. >>21037 You can instantly tell what kind of person someone is by the subreddits they browse.

I only browse certain amount of subreddits with specific topics, otherwise you can find yourself distracted in a long time just doomscrolling. The best part of reddit is the comment sections, everything else is kind of a second choice, it's nice hearing stories and tips about how certain stuff works or what other people opinions are, and because of the comments and peoples opinion, you get powertripping people that think they know all because people keep upvoting them.

Why would anyone in their right mind have an account on that God forsaken website? The userbase is insufferable and the upvote/downvote/karma system is laughable at best, like what kind of a retard would spend money just so they can give likes (diamonds and what have you) to someone's comment? Not to mention their TOS and privacy policy which was most likely written by some corporate lawyer just so they can sell your data to 3rd party sponsors. If someone happens to link me a reddit thread/post I always use the old.reddit.com because it loads faster. Unironically anyone who's browsing imageboards and has a reddit account should be bullied for doing so, especially on Lainchan. It's like you're willing to sacrifice the convenience of google services because "google bad" but yet you're willing to sacrifice your privacy for le ebin redditor memes and ebin reddit moments, I find it repulsive. There's also the issue of reddit mentality but give that you've made this thread on the /tech/ board it's better not to talk about it here. Picture somewhat related.

>>21044 This is basically the drug argument. I am angry tards dont use it right, drugs bad mkay. Theres a contingent of users that has subreddits dedicated to their own niche using the site merely as a free hosting platform while also ignoring its main userbase entirely. Private subreddits invite only work extend this further and work exceptionally well albeit at the cost of suffering from minuscule userbases diminishing post frequency. >>21041 You forgot the marketing/bots. Mods are marketing guys on several big subreddits. Reddit frontpage is just one giant add platform masquerading as user content.

the trick to using reddit is to only use specific, small subreddits. All the 'main' ones are trash.

Reddit started bullying me with the feeds it gave me because i'm not a normal person I am angry So I left my reddit account behind.

>>21045 >Theres a contingent of users that has subreddits dedicated to their own niche using the site merely as a free hosting platform while also ignoring its main userbase entirely. Private subreddits invite only work extend this further and work exceptionally well albeit at the cost of suffering from minuscule userbases diminishing post frequency. Even if you ignore the retarded userbase, reddit is still going to sell your data to 3rd party websites which can be avoided if you don't create an account. I don't see why you'd use reddit in first place for niche subjects when there's IRC and imageboards.

>>21035 I gave Reddit a try, partly because of an old Twitter friend and largely because of no enail required. I ended up getting derezzed, and/or intimudated at times... There used to be a Reddit replacement called Voat but the server was really really slow when it first came out. I think they upgraded but the communities are way smaller. Many derezzed users go there but it is still smaller. Reddit links come up in search results often enough to be an annoyance. Many tech topics are in /r/programming but they largely overlap HN and Lobsters. All subreddits have distasteful political leanings, even /r/DailyProgramming started having programming challenges with scenarios that touch on issues in subtle ways. :/ Another phenomon is that every once in awhile someone says they are going to jail soon. It gets people discussing how to find a job when they get out or jow to learn tech while in there... While I'm sure this happens at times you start to suspect these posts are planted for the sake of discussion + degeneration. :/ Reddit is prone to having obscene user names floating around, all the good names are taken but folks come up with vulgar names sometimes. Code camps are sh!lled as if a real topic all the time. Most medium to large cities have a subreddit but it's always liberals and a specific kinds of liberals running it. There may well be local issues but they are all the same. :/ That Twitter friend has transformed into a feminist-loving / socialism-loving degenerate over time BTW.

>>21048 plebit is normalized. You can use it for crap that is linked to your real persona without harming your reputation unlike imageboards. The data selling is true but also present in other alternatives that can be used in public which kills it as a decision point.

>>21048 In my view, there are people out there who like what I like but are also fairly normal and so you'll find them on more public parts of the internet such as reddit or YouTube.

I personally never got into reddit because it's boring as hell to me. The constant bashing of it on other sites is hilarious because I can't imagine why anyone would get so upset it. The only real complaint I have is that it pulled energy away from more interesting sites that grew quieter and quieter over the years. >>21049 4chan might be more your speed. Have you heard of it?

>>21052 Facebook did that, by the time reddit came along into mainstream facebook had already destroyed pretty much every small community. Now all those communities on facebook are probably dead. "They trust me, dumb fuarrrks"

I don't have an account anymore. Like everyone has said, there's some good small & specialized subreddits that aren't part of the horrendous frontpage culture - unfortunately, most of the ones I enjoyed got derezzed a long time ago. Now it's mostly just Linux subs that I visit once a week for news.

>>21052 Raids, reddit has a very distinct culture and they frequently swarm other places creating the exact same problem as irl tourists smearing their soykaf over popular places. They are even worse because tourism brings in good money. Reddit just soykafs the bed.

>>21049 Voats problem isn't that its quiet, its that its full of the kind of idiotic far right extremists that got derezzed from other sites. So all of the discussion is either an edgefest or people whining about everyone else being a degenerate for not believing that jewish people control everything and want to wipe out white people. Reddit is soykaf but the alternatives tend to be worse because they are only flocked to now because of opinions to extreme for anywhere else rather than because people actually want to migrate somewhere with better community management.

>>21055 Every site with more people than another seems to carry out raids these days. Twitter raids reddit, reddit raids 4chan, 4chan raids facebook groups, facebook groups raid 8kun, 8kun raids lainchan and the circle continues forever. The increasing obsession with politics that the internet has has permanently ruined every single site and blaming one site for it is retarded.

>>21057 I don't think that necessarily contradicts the point you're responding to. You're both right. Tourists from one social group invading another smaller group often causes problems, but this isn't just a reddit thing. (Worth noting that it doesn't always. I've been in a few subcultures that have actually benefitted from being in the reddit zeitgeist for a bit. Influx of new people was annoying for a time but then the tourists left and the people that remained assimilated. It can happen. Just usually works better on hobby forums with a specific well defined purpose.) I think reddit gets most of the hate from us because it's the only major social media site with a culture that's even remotely similar to ours, leaving out other IBs. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if some youtuber made a video on lainchan, or we became a meme on tiktok or instagram? We don't care as much about those sites because that doesn't happen, so we don't have to deal with them. The one thing I do disagree with you on is the bit about politics. I don't think that's the primary driver of what we're discussing. However, politicization has caused a deeper divide between various online cliques, particularly along the lines of different websites. This, combined with increased political polarization, has made integrating migrants and tourists more difficult. >>21056 This kind of thing is endlessly frustrating. It's difficult to be a left wing free speech absolutist. I am perfectly capable of reading right wing ideas without magically getting brainwashed by them, and I think the notion that these ideas have to be hidden away and "deplatformed" to protect the ignorant masses is appalling. If people can't be trusted to think for themselves then frankly we shouldn't let them vote in the first place. The problem is that free speech absolutist spaces are the only places these ideas are tolerated so they're saturated with them. Even that isn't necessarily a problem. I'm used to being in the minority in my beliefs. However, places like 8kun are so thoroughly saturated that they become dogmatic and censorous in a cultural way, even as they resist more formal types of censorship. These "free speech" forums were never like this before mainstream social media started their purges. We absorb their runoff and then get demonized for what it turns us into, so we have to resort to censorship for self preservation. It's just a sad state of affairs.

>>21035 I used to, up until around a month ago. I joined the site around 2016, my memory is that it was pretty decent around that time, if you ignored the political subs. My perspective slowly changed though. I feel like the site's userbase became a lot younger. It was a pretty notable change, and I just ended up enjoying the site less and less, more browsing it out of habit/boredom. The main breaking point was my "escape" from the metaphorical matrix, when I began to use linux, and also when I began to care more about privacy. I had already disliked reddits moderation bias, but really I was in the end just tired of wasting my time on the site.

the best way to use reddit is to cleanse your account and all cookies and start over every month or two. This way you spend less time narcissistically feeling so great because you have 10k karma or some bullshit. I only post in one subreddit and browse a few others from time to time. r/polandball is probably the biggest sub that I actually enjoy reading. >>21058 >These "free speech" forums were never like this before mainstream social media started their purges. We absorb their runoff and then get demonized for what it turns us into, so we have to resort to censorship for self preservation. It's just a sad state of affairs. for the most part this is true... but also remember that a lot of the unironic chan nazi memes are due to stormfront. It's far too easy for internet communities to get politicized. Part of the main reason I keep coming back to lainchan is that it resists politicization even in the face of constant raids, instead we have a few regulars who I think are numb nuts and have fun arguing with but not a constant stream of retardation like reddit or 4chins, and the real reason we're all here is that we love lain.

>>21049 >That Twitter friend has transformed into a feminist-loving / socialism-loving degenerate over time BTW. You know where you are kiddo? Look at the boards list, there's a fuarrrking drug boards, I think we are all degenerates here

>>21061 Not the person you're replying to but speak for yourself. Even if we indulge in degenerate behavior we're not THAT bad.

>>21062 lol i know that we could be MUCH worse, but this is not the place to be like tradcath or something like that

>>21036 I don't think it is displayed in Firefox new tab page. I also created a few multireddits to aggregate stuff on desktop Reddit. RES extension really makes browsing Reddit a breeze.

>>21037 I have used Slide and it is very good. I also recommend to give RedReader a try; it's also open source.

>>21039 Yes default subs can suck sometimes. Political subs are the worst since politics is inherently divisive and it's impossible to maintain a neutral stance. Then there comes the abuse of moderator powers and the list goes on. I hopped onto r/anime_titties because r/worldnews focussed on US news a little too much and secondly, the mods there removed content they hated(censorship in general).

>>21041 Lol, that last line rings so true.

>>21044 I agree with the old.reddit thing. The new UI absolutely is like kicking dead whales down the beach. And BTW, Reddit isn't the worst when it comes to terms and conditions. Lots of social networking sites have worse rules,lesser anonymity and a greater user base.

>>21048 IRC is slowly losing users. Snoonet and Freenode are the only big ones standing.Most other servers have much fewer users. In either case, do recommend some good IRC channels and/or imageboards.

>>21049 Voat still exists but has a heavy right wing bias.

>>21052 I have given 4chan a try. Its good but they have derezzed the entire IP range for many countries.

>>21055 Lol, reminds me of the Reddit hug of death.

>>21058 I agree. Other stuff like Facebook, Instagram or TikTok is much worse than Reddit when it comes to privacy or data sharing issues.

>>21059 Moderation is a real issue. There have been cases of entire subreddits closing because of an annoyed mod. Worse is when they take over a significant sub and mould it according to their world view. For eg, r/india used to be neutral back in the day but now it is more anti India than any other subreddit ironically.

>>21060 PolandBall has some brilliant stuff. Great reminder since its been some time since I visited that sub.

It was good a few years back ngl, but it's filled with propaganda now

>>21069 >do recommend some good IRC channels and/or imageboards. I wish I knew about good IRC channels. I do know about other imageboards, but I'd rather not tell about them here. Just look around.

>>21069 >Snoonet and Freenode are the only big ones standing. >Snoonet >big IRCNet and Undernet each have 5x more online users right now, EFnet and Rizon - 3 times. Even OFTC has 2x more online users right now. Freenode is indeed by far the biggest network, though.

>>21035 Reddit is becoming increasingly problematic. I like that Reddit has subreddit and search based RSS, and I have subscriptions to highly specific searches on reddit. I recommend everyone do this for their hometown etc, to keep situational awareness. Reddits UI is super bloated, and consistently consume all the memory in the VMs I run it in. Its clearly an improvement on various other networks: >Open Data - You can view all users posts, etc. >Supports RSS on a pretty granular level >Tree View on Comments - helps make larger threads actually readable. <Bloated UI <Muh Corp <Centralized.

>>21044 >Why would anyone in their right mind have an account Because sometimes there are technical resources that are only available on reddit. Usually these are old threads and you don't need an account but some times I've had very niche questions to ask and reddit was the best place to get answers. Reddit is also a great place to troll and be a dick. It's easy to create accounts and they can't enforce site wide bans on any anyone half technically inclined. Whenever I'm having a bad day and need to let off a little steam it takes minutes to find some lying douche who is probably paid to post there and make his day a living hell. Reddit never fails to deliver when I'm looking for someone who has it coming.

>reddit thread

I still browse Reddit, but only subs related to specific things relating to technology, privacy, and security. I still prefer lainchan for discussion on technical subjects, I avoid voat, etc because it is overwhelmingly right wing news which I don't care about. I only care about technical things. I thought Gab was an interesting idea but again, it's overwhelmingly right wing news. FYI, I'm not against different view points at all.

>>21082 U

>>21035 I've stopped using reddit at all unless im doing search on a specific subject, seemingly random discussions on comment sections are sometime the best way of finding specific niche things when 4chan archives doesn't work or just simply doesn't do the job

>>21077 Huh are the imageboards you frequent small enough that revealing them might compromise on your privacy?

>>21078 Huh the last time I used EFNet, it looked like a barren wasteland. I guess time to visit it again.

I used to be an active user, but deleted all of my accounts and stopped using it because it was getting too boring. Nowadays I only check CrackWatch to see if they cracked another game with Denuvo

>>21037 >>21035 I'm part of the 80% lurk-only userbase, but sometimes I do post with throwaways just to answer another throwaway account from a chan poster. >open source Open source isn't enough. If possible, I'd prefer if the app were to use its native "free" Js implementation and block every load of soykaf like tracking analytics. It must also have the capability to block "tracking" embeds like for example a youtube embed thumbnail of a reddit post (maybe a way to use a proxied thumbnail like on ddg). I don't want to register just to "bookmark" a subreddit, the app must have its local database. Is there a "app client" that works pretty much like how chan apps work?

>Boohoo reddit is like kicking dead whales down the beach the userbase is terrible the karma system is broken If this is most of your opinion on reddit chances are you tried to talk about politics (or some similar braindead topic) or maybe tried to be edgy and cool. Karma is entirely optional, you opt in by commenting. I mostly go there for a few communities about this or that franchise I like, news/aggregator subs in a few academic subfields, and the holy trinity of r/actualpublicfreakouts r/abruptchaos r/unexpected

>>21035 It's a terrible awful website full of the most terrible awful people. They ban everything of worth, and fetishize mob rule.

>>21035

>>21089 Use css to make all users anonymous

>>21058 >This kind of thing is endlessly frustrating. It's difficult to be a left wing free speech absolutist. I thought I was the only one! You're not alone, friend.

>>21093 >left wing free speech absolutist

>>21035 It's horrible. An upvote/downvote system destroys every forum/board. It just makes things horrible and appealing for the dopamine kick addicts, just like slot machines. It always evolves into a machine in where people try to guess the mainstream opinion to post it and get upvotes. bleargh

>>21090 While the bans are stupid and shouldn't have been done most of the derezzed subreddits were hardly of much worth. Just places with the same stupid reddit culture just with retardedly contrarian and edgy opinions instead of stupid reddit culture with generic herd opinions.

>>21095 Yosg

>>21093 It drives me insane how many people on the left are against free speech. How are they so incapable of not realising that handing over the powers of arbitrary censorship to corporations and then encouraging and celebrating it is going to certainly backfire when the powers that be just turn around and ban our opinions for being a threat to them if we ever get remotely close to forming a mass movement. They're ultimately people in it for the social clout than actually believing in the ideals.

>>21097 I don't understand, what do you mean?

>>21098 Maybe your point has merit but what do we see on the right oriented online communties? Racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, antisemetism etc. Free speech is enforced human right. Thing is, online forums arent the screwing government. People need to feel safe in these places like reddit, diverse, welcoming, and resoect people of all walks of life

>>21096 Extreme outliers are important. They define the edges and thereby the middle ground. If one extreme is cut off the middle ground shifts.

>>21044 this

Best reddit app Run it with tor browser on mobile https://reedditapp.com/#

>>21101 >Extreme outliers are important. They define the edges and thereby the middle ground. If one extreme is cut off the middle ground shifts. Yeah and the right pampers and embraces it's extreme edge while the left rolls it's eyes and ignores it's own. The extreme right is very loud, very manipulative, and too dumb and annoying to run a successful forum of it's own. I'd be more than happy if they were cut out of mainstream internet forums.

>>21104 Ruqqus is an extreme right forum and its last for almost 2 years Voat have been around for over half a decade, So yes it can run successful forums

>>21044 the reddit hate is kinda chan site hive mentality. Theres good stuff on reddit if ur into niche things. I GET the normal person aspect of it but ppl just hate on it to be cool

>>21106 Nothing wrong with being a normal person, yall got to embrace it

>>21107 at least he’s using a terminal

>>21104 t. extremely unbiased person kek

>>21105 >Ruqqus is an extreme right forum and its last for almost 2 years >Voat have been around for over half a decade, >So yes it can run successful forums I've never used Ruqqus and when I tried Voat it was like a barren wasteland and the majority of it's users clearly were only there because reddit wouldn't have them. If you call that success why don't you spend a little more time there? Anyhow no less authority than weev himself told me that he can't find the sort of alt-right talent he needed to help him on major projects.

>>21107 >Nothing wrong with being a normal person, yall got to embrace it There's the 'normal internet user' which isn't intolerable but I come here to get away from them. Then there's the whole, 'you're not cool on the internet unless you're a NEET sperg who doesn't bathe' crowd. Deep down inside they know they're still losers.

>>21107 >Nothing wrong with being a normal person, yall got to embrace it This NPC normal person argument is pants on head retarded. Bieng pill'd doesnt make you special in a positive way. NPC or pill'd is a false dichotomy and just a ladder of gullables to end up rambling about Q or while defending grifters.

Yeh, I browse Reddit from time to time, but I've never had an account there. RedReader is a nice Android app for Reddit because you can use it over Tor (Orbot app). It's a good source of technical information. Pros: It's moderated. Cons: It's moderated.

>>21085 no i don't want my imageboards to become soykaf due to a huge influx of horrible users

>>21035 No, i do not use Reddit. The community is soykaf mostly leftwing and you just waste your time there without getting something other than bad mood.

>>21100 but why? if you dont't like a certain community why force it to change instead of searching for a community that fits you?

>>21115 The problems with Reddit's community are deeper than political ideology. Everyone on that site basically acts the exact same regardless of view, as a quick visit to a more right-leaning sub will reveal. The thing about Reddit is that everyone using it thinks they're right. User created subs make it way too easy to surround yourself with people who already agree with you, and the voting system gives each post a numerical value, telling you what you "should" think of it. Everyone comes away with a bigger ego but nothing actually learned. With that said, Reddit is good for certain things. It's really nice if you're using it as a content aggregator and recommendation site. If I'm looking for videos to watch or games to play, it's usually my goto these days.

I dislike everything about it. Every comment seems written by the same person, it's always the same stale jokes. The upvote/downvote system is soykaf and bad for originality and free speech. Also, all of the major subs share the same admins, so they have too much power. They're like the Patriots of reddit. I don't have an account, but I browse it from times to times to check r/CrackWatch. >mobile client I use old.reddit.com becouse it works with JS disabled, the last thing I want is to phonepost on an app so intrusive

>>21104 What would be considered the """extreme right""" by 2020 standards is just the average internet user of the 2000s, which was arguably the internet at its best and most fun. >>21107 Yes, the average normal person is far, far more enjoyable to be around than the average special snowflake imageboard trash.

>>21035 >Do you guys use Reddit? No. Is this only in /Ω/ because the board is viewed as a dumping ground? >Do discuss its pros and cons. I loathe these websites which require accounts to do most things. I need not make any account here. Perhaps the best thing about Reddit is that its users are there and not here. I hate this front page of the Internet and this insistence that most technology people surely use Reddit and enjoy its stupid memes. I hate these corporations which try to worm their way into real communities with their potemkin villages. It's an obvious echo chamber, and I only visit when my website is mentioned or I happen to notice an interesting discussion somehow, neither of which occur often. I stumbled across a single subreddit I thought was actually somewhat interesting, consumeproduct, and it was derezzed for being anti-consumerist. The visible Reddit users all seem to have an unhealthy behaviour which makes them easy to view as a hivemind. There's very little value in a website concerned not with what its own users are doing, but in linking to other places and discussing them. This is a long-lived discussion about Reddit; what would a discussion about Lainchan on Reddit look like? It would be dead in just a few days, everyone would have a name and so be inclined to only post a few times are try to get upvotes, and it would be a lesser conversation due to these and other reasons. I'm writing this post because I want to contribute to a discussion, not to get worthless gold or damn stickers. It's pathetic. >Also, if you have any recommendations for any good mobile clients for Reddit and/or cool subreddits, do share. I don't own a phone. When I deign to visit Reddit, I use the old interface. >>21045 >Mods are marketing guys on several big subreddits. Reddit frontpage is just one giant add platform masquerading as user content. Despite mentioning consumeproduct, it slipped my mind how horrible it is there. Companies advertise programs which can appear to argue with people and convince them to purchase a product again, and the level of discourse on Reddit is low enough that a machine probably can convince these people to give it a second chance, and all of this is without the owners of Reddit actively beating down those who disagree.

>>21120 incase you didnt know, consumeproduct.win

my main gripe with reddit is how fleeting all the content is. we have threads here from 2018 that get bumped once a month with a new insightful post and then someone who never saw the thread can read the whole thing. that's never happening on reddit. something is submitted and then people pile in to get their word in as fast as possible. if you come around to the thread months later and want to add to the discussion, you can reply to someone and only they will get notified about it. barely anyone will find the thread and barely anyone will continue to contribute. it all dies and just gets repeated over and over again.

>>21121 ...this is just psyop p*l memes. Surely this can't be the paragon of quality and independent thought whose deletion I've seen lamented?

>>21122 >we have threads here from 2018 that get bumped once a month with a new insightful post and then someone who never saw the thread can read the whole thing. That's why I've suggested on /q/ for all boards to be at least 10 pages long, so that quality threads have better chances of being bumped. In fact, why not add even more pages? It makes sense, the threads are slow and discussions are mostly long-form.

>>21121 It seems thriving but it's another one of those nazi-leaning alternative that won't last a few years of hosting. >>21122 This is basically how the big web works now. You go to reddit, you're greeted with a very minified version that forces you to "click to see more" although old.reddit.com fixes this but it's definitely temporal and it only keeps on getting worse. I'm so tired of the nu web that I sometimes go look at old geocities aesthetics. You go to any "mobile site" you are asked forever to "please use the tracking app we made" to access a the literal webapp version through an inferior from-scratch browser with inferior TLS, actually the app leaks your credentials with a faulty TLS implementation too! Go to reddit on mobile, it asks you to use the app that probably doesn't have firejail or chrome-vanadium isolation. I can't even believe soykaf like sourceforge won't let you download software just because they know you're using the mobile site with mobile UA but it works after going desktop mode even with mobile UA. Everyone of these popular sites just wants more or entirety of your personal data, they're all simply nothing but "hosting platforms" and the users make all the fuarrrking content anyways. Hating the site/platform is okay but the users? Reddit users are diverse, I can't say I hate all of them but it's just that everyone has access to internet these days and one of these days a new user would use the Email field properly on some imageboard.

>>21119 >What would be considered the """extreme right""" by 2020 standards is just the average internet user of the 2000s, which was arguably the internet at its best and most fun. Not my experience. In early 2000s imageboards were politic free, nazis were ironic or edgy not a serious idea, and it was seen as bieng a lolcow to rage and have a political argument. My experience is in the past few years, America has swung hard right and doesn't even know what a leftist is. Neither Joe Biden nor Bernie Sanders are hard leftists. Hard leftists are people like Che, eat the rich, etc. And believe it or not, there was ironic posting of this stuff too. I have no idea how people posting nazi my lil pony images on soykafty threads turned into a serious polititcal movement.

>>21126 Youre not even arguing against his point when youre complaining that your own side got subverted. Both left and right changed drastically.

>>21118 I.reddit.com works better for mobile

>>21126 What >>21127 said. Just because "eat the rich" has become "eat the straight while males" doesn't mean anything has shifted to the Right. It's just a different kind of Left.

>>21121 >>21123 That really doesn't look appealing at all. I didn't mean to imply I didn't still think plenty of the posts there were stupid or awkward. I mentioned it more because a subreddit for anti-consumerism was deleted, and because it was the last one I happened to stumble upon and not completely revile, more than anything. >>21122 That's just as I mentioned in my first post. The model behind Reddit itself just isn't for long discussions; it degenerates them no differently than how Twitter's character-limit does. The restrictions are a gimmick with long-term consequences. >>21126 >Not my experience. In early 2000s imageboards were politic free, nazis were ironic or edgy not a serious idea, and it was seen as bieng a lolcow to rage and have a political argument. He probably means things like the basic opinions have changed. Transexuals weren't mainstream twenty years ago like today. >My experience is in the past few years, America has swung hard right and doesn't even know what a leftist is. Let's not derail the thread, but it's important to blame corporations for this, since they're behind it. There are certain people or organizations the political parties will make a show of challenging, only to worshsip or work with after gaining office. >I have no idea how people posting nazi my lil pony images on soykafty threads turned into a serious polititcal movement. It's a serious political movement? Isn't that just from that 4chan April Fool's day joke? I wouldn't confuse the political board with /mlp/ and besides, it's fun posting ponies.

>>21119 >What would be considered the """extreme right""" by 2020 standards is just the average internet user of the 2000s, which was arguably the internet at its best and most fun. I hard disagree. Things were definitely a lot edgier back in the 2000s, but it was a different type of edge. It was less "schizo redneck afraid of the government", and more "edgy teen saying offensive soykaf because they can get away with it". The internet as a whole really wasn't all that political back then. People on sites like Newgrounds and Deviantart were too young to care about politics outside of halfheartedly quoting what their parents said, forum culture discouraged it (there were a sizeable number of forums back then that would ban you for bringing it up), and everyone else carried the "it's just the internet" attitude and thought that getting into arguments online was a waste of time. There was nothing even remotely close to the sort of activism you see nowadays

>>21131 The edgy kids today complain about sjw's censoring them for being "toxic" while lefties call the kids nazis for complaining about their censorship and calling them sjw's.

>>21130 >Isn't that just from that 4chan April Fool's day joke? It was, but many saw it as a pleb-filter and they made an /mlpol/ imageboard that is still active. They've got antifa doxxing and raid threads and everything, it's basically for the stuff 4chan bans.

>>21132 [citation needed]

>>21132 Eh, I've never seen it personally. You must be browsing really some crappy communities. Also, 'leftist' is a silly term, it's like grouping conservatives and esoteric nazifurs in the same group and then complaining about nazifurs calling people niggers, therefore rightists are bad.

>>21133 A privately owned website choosing not to publish you isn't censorship. You're on their servers, you play by their rules. Don't like it? Start your own website on your own server like people used to back before we became lazy attention whores.

>>21133 Sure, I'm aware of https://mlpol.net but I wouldn't strictly call it a political movement. It's just people who like political incorrect things and My Little Pony. Like, I'm not a national socialist in the style of Germany, because I hate Christianity, and while this does separate me from others, not every difference fragments like this. >>21138 The issue is financial institutions and other businesses conspire to beat down alternative web sites. So someone can start a website, and then the DNS gets stolen, and the hosting provider cancels the server rentals, and none of the payment processors will allow people to donate via USD, and maybe the ISP will decide it doesn't like allowing the website to be hosted next, and there's a list of other things that make this more of an issue. It's not fair to pretend people are just too lazy to start websites, when there's a conspiracy to cut off resources to them.

>>21135 >Also, 'leftist' is a silly term, it's like grouping conservatives and esoteric nazifurs in the same group and then complaining about nazifurs calling people niggers, therefore rightists are bad. Thats exactly how people behave. Im not browsing anything special either. I lurk some gaming sites out of interest where the industry is going and what you describe is exactly what happens. Someone uses a word that triggers somoene else and it devolves into trench warfare or bans. >>21138 private companies are for governments what proxies are for private people. Its a facade to escape responsibility.

>>21140 >The issue is financial institutions and other businesses conspire to beat down alternative web sites You mean alternative social media web sites. Social media is a blight on society. You have something big and important you want to say? Start a blog. There's plenty of companies willing to host you, and even if there weren't you can just self-host, which is relatively inexpensive for a blog. Blogs are harder to censor because there's a bunch of them and they're spread out across a myriad of hosts and platforms. They're not like social media sites where it all goes through the same staff. This is especially true if you're self hosted. If you want to communicate with people quickly and directly, use IRC. It's similarly decentralized, making it about as hard to censor. It's true that there's not a whole lot of people on IRC these days, but that could easily be fixed by just writing a more user-friendly client. And even if you still think you need social media, you can just use federated soykaf like mastodon or diaspora. It's not as good as blogs and IRC, but it's still miles better than traditional social media.

>>21142 If its big and important the primary goal is to reach as many people as possible. 90% only use 5 websites. Complains about censorship come down to if the major sites block some information it might as well not exist for policy making / politics because the majority wont know about it and the majority decides where things go.

>>21143 That's an issue with society as a whole, not censorship. The """censorship""" part wouldn't be an issue if people were willing to leave their comfort zones and use other websites.

>>21142 >You mean alternative social media web sites. No, I mean what I wrote. Look at what happened to The Daily Stormer for an example. >Social media is a blight on society. We agree. >You have something big and important you want to say? Start a blog. I mentioned in my first post in this thread that I've a website. I'm not concerned about attracting a crowd, but my point stands. >There's plenty of companies willing to host you, and even if there weren't you can just self-host, which is relatively inexpensive for a blog. I've already explained the many ways companies will conspire against certain websites. >Blogs are harder to censor because there's a bunch of them and they're spread out across a myriad of hosts and platforms. I agree that decentralization is better. It would be much more infeasible to send DMCA notices to random git repositories, were it not for Github, as an example, which I also don't use. I feel my post was misunderstood. I don't use social media at all, and already use IRC and the like. I'm not in need of any of this advice, and nowhere in my posts did I imply anything to the contrary. Anyway, the issue isn't the censorship, but the scale itself. The US government isn't very fond of knocking down businesses which have grown too large, however, so symptoms are being discussed instead of the illness. Now, this thread is derailing, but it was about Reddit, so it's immaterial.

>>21144 Its an issue with both and you can only impact one factor realistically...

>>21087 Do you think that cloud streaming of games like Stadia is the future?

>>21098 Any forum left unmoderated ultimately leans to the right.

>>21103 Their mobile website is a pain in the ass to use.

>>21106 I agree. I have been browsing Reddit for some years now and there is some good content atleast.

>>21113 Aren't their speed issues when routing via Tor?

>>21117 I see, you are talking of a bubble wherein a user only sees what he wants/chooses to see and slowly leans in furthur into the bubble.

>>21120 Technically Reddit doesn't force an account to view content. One can even set up RSS feeds for relevant subreddits. Other 'social' networks can be way worse in these cases.

>>21122 Thats true. Commenting on old threads is minimal and assuming one's post doesn't get too many to feature in 'top month' or 'top year' of that subreddit, it's dead.

>>21125 Atleast Reddit allows for third party apps and their desktop site is usable. Instagram purposefully fscked up their desktop site and many sites like Quora won't let you view content unless paid for.

>>36141 >People need to feel safe in these places like reddit, diverse, welcoming, and respect people of all walks of life Not really, this is a value some people choose while others would prefer a more wild, free, honest and uncensored / unmoderated environment. The reason why preference of security and safety are so prevalent may be that: 1) the majority of average people rarely or never have any outstanding ideas that would need the protection of free speech, whereas they see many opinions that enrages them and censorship is the only way they can punish it 2) minorities do not overlap - for a minority X, two other minorities Y and Z are part of the oppressing majority, hence they stand no chance to be heard unless the platform babysits their voice.

>>21153 Most unmoderated internet forums have historically been left leaning or socially progressive libertarians. It wasn't until the advent of the post farm that internet forums were overwhelmed with right wing opinions.

>>21142 >You have something big and important you want to say? Start a blog. There's plenty of companies willing to host you, and even if there weren't you can just self-host, which is relatively inexpensive for a blog. >Blogs are harder to censor because there's a bunch of them and they're spread out across a myriad of hosts and platforms. They're not like social media sites where it all goes through the same staff. This is especially true if you're self hosted. Everything you said is true and not even secret. The problem is that the people who complain about censorship these days don't care about censorship. They don't want to start a blog or have a debate with intelligent people. They want unfettered access to large audiences of borderline senile senior citizens, sexually frustrated teenagers, and the sort of idiots who would have facebook only internet packages.

I used to go on polandball and homestuck subreddits, but dropped them long ago. >>21058 Sadly, paradox of tolerance is a thing.

It is a waste of time to have debates on there, but for reading commentary of communities who know their soykaf is really worthwhile

>>21166 the only thing that changed is the labeling. Liberians advocating for free speech are now called literally hitler promoting racism for opposing to ban everyone rad left disagrees with.

>>21181 >Liberians

>>21166 I would say that historically the internet did not have a 'lean' aside from pure libertarianism. It wasn't until around 2010-2011 that some sites became definitively left-leaning and others definitively right-leaning.

>>21201 You can go see for yourself in early Slashdot posts. Everyone was socially progressive. Now the post quality is crazy uncle facebook soykaf. Go check out Usenet. Go check out The Well. The interesting thing about The Well is that it's full internet early adopters who are all nearing retirement age. Because it costs money the community is relatively unchanged and it leans heavy left. There are a million time capsules to challenge this assertion that the internet wasn't socially progressive.

>>21202 iirc there were plenty of Eric S. Raymond types as well.

In my opinion, regardless of community or voting system, Reddit's format is horrible for discussion simply because discussion is secondary to links/images/videos. The posts are usually just images, and the format encourages just scrolling through, spending 2 seconds looking at each post, and maybe opening the comments on one of them if you feel like it. Contrast that with imageboards, where images are supplementary to discussion, and when you're scrolling through a board the most recent discussion in each thread is front and center. When it comes to discussion, I just like the imageboard format a lot better. That being said, I do like subreddits whose primary purpose is to post art, like /r/twodeeart, /r/streetmoe, or /r/animehotbeverages (I'll admit it's a little offputting how unnecessarily specific they can get). The voting system works in those because higher-quality art tends to get more upvotes, and the community doesn't matter because there's usually little to no discussion in those subreddits anyway. /r/moescape is a pretty good source for wallpapers imo.

>>21203 >iirc there were plenty of Eric S. Raymond types as well. Can't totally disagree. I remember there being a white pride IRC channel on efnet. But even in the case of a lot of ESR types they probably meant well. A lot of them had nuanced views at the time so maybe they wouldn't have understood every progressive cause under the sun but they did when soykaf clicked. Over the years a lot of them have been pulled into the propaganda machine and rejected from progressive circles for saying something dumb and were subsequently radicalized. Take this statement: >"Gays experimented with unfettered promiscuity in the 1970s and got AIDS as a consequence" It's not exactly untrue but with every passing year bringing it up is more and more suspect. Most guys today know and admit that if they had the sort of access to sex with women that gay men enjoyed in the 70s their dicks would have rotted right off by now so why bring it up? Does he think that gay people didn't notice? ESR failed to change with the times and now he's radicalized. Scott Adams is another good example, as far as I know he's always identified as libertarian but Dilbert had a downright anti-corporate message, the message for regulation and workers rights was clear, he never said anything particularly racist, sexist, homophobic. Over the years he's been radicalized and now he's a full blown Trump supporter.

>>21205 The problem with a lot of the art communities is that children and bots tend to just repost the same works over and over again to get the points for either dopamine or to resell the accounts to advertisers or intelligence services later. The upvote system is supposed to stop this from happening but it seems that either the average user doesn't care or the subreddits are getting botted for upvotes. Having upvotes tied to a user scoring system fundamentally breaks any website that implements it for either the chilling effects in discussion or for the way that it makes it easier for marketers and disinfo groups to appear like legitimate users. Its part of the reason why I agree with you that the imageboard format is the best possible format out there especially with anonymity. Every post is worth the same as any other.

>>21206 >Over the years he's been radicalized and now he's a full blown Trump supporter. I vaguely recall reading on another imageboard that Scott Adams, while supporting Trump, does so in some kind of unorthodox way. It's like, he's supporting Trump because the rise of someone like Trump is proof that the system is broken or something. I can't remember why but I'm certain Scott Adams' support for Trump was unusual in some kind of way.

>>21206 If anything, you're demonstrating how people can have largely unchanged positions which over the decades travel across the rapidly moving political spectrum. I'd expect Raymond and Adams to have supported him 20 years ago as well, it just seems particularly outrageous against the current backdrop of a wokeness phase. Ron Paul and his naughty newsletters would be "literally Hitler" now - certainly no more absurd than calling Trump that.

Isnt like, lainchan considered the reddit of IBs? A lot of people say this shouldnt even be considered a chan.

>>21275 > makes it easier for marketers and disinfo groups to appear li Yep!!! You only need to ddg "reddit accounts for sale" and look at Gislane Maxwell's "maxwellhill" account to realize how astroturfed and dangerous Reddit has become! >>21285 > he's supporting Trump because the rise of someone like Trump is proof that the system is broken Well I'm relieved to hear that. He's not wrong. I was mad as hell having to vote for Hillary while she pretended to be a woke feminist. I'll say that election exposed some important women's issues but her campaign itself seemed to be a cynical effort to replicate Obama's success as the first black candidate. >>21286 >If anything, you're demonstrating how people can have largely unchanged positions which over the decades travel across the rapidly moving political spectrum. I The rest of us had discussions and paid attention in the time between the 80s and 90s and realized that lecturing the gay community about unsafe sex was a moot point. As a matter of fact while they're still often promiscuous they've become the leading advocates of safer sex in western society. ESR's statements indicate he stopped learning at some point. > I'd expect Raymond and Adams to have supported him 20 years ago as well, 20 years ago they'd support what exactly? A registered Democrat and good friend of the Clintons? A man with no clear positions or policies? A man who has been denounced by the people running his own party 20 years ago? Trump's racism is just about his only consistent quality.

>>21286 Ron Paul is *a lot* more palatable to lefties than Trump is, although I'm sure liberals would be soykafting their pants even more if he ever became president. >>21206 >A lot of them had nuanced views at the time so maybe they wouldn't have understood every progressive cause under the sun but they did when soykaf clicked. Over the years a lot of them have been pulled into the propaganda machine and rejected from progressive circles for saying something dumb and were subsequently radicalized. This is what I mean sort of: they weren't really left or right at the time, their position was libertarian. Somehow the tiny left/right leans got amplified by stormposters and tankies until you have what you got today, where you're either Literally Hitler or Literally Stalin. >Scott Adams is another good example, as far as I know he's always identified as libertarian but Dilbert had a downright anti-corporate message, the message for regulation and workers rights was clear, he never said anything particularly racist, sexist, homophobic. Over the years he's been radicalized and now he's a full blown Trump supporter. Scott Adams is a good example. You would think that he would agree with lefties but they reject him largely for cultural reasons. If you actually read what he says it's usually not *that* crazy it's just in language that lefties don't like, and lefties these days are obsessed with language. Result is that this guy who could very easily be reasoned with is instead shown nothing but spite and he moves towards the nutjobs who supported his half-baked opinions. Joe Rogan is a less extreme example: he's 100% supportive of trannies but they still think he's problematic for vague reasons.

the most annoying thing about reddit isn't that it has a definite political lean. The most annoying thing about reddit is that it is infested with normans.

>>21287 People rightfully compared 8chan to Reddit, because of the board creation mechanism, and I believe Hotwheels may have also made this comparison directly, early on. What I think is plenty of people spew vitriol at Lainchan without even visiting here, and why would anyone here want to correct them? There are people who seriously believe Lainchan is a den for particular political ideologies, just because they've threads here, without understanding that these don't tend to get beaten down unless they start causing issues elsewhere on the board. It's like how the programming board is only for programming, so someone who makes a political post, or a fun post, in it may get upset at later seeing it deleted, and think this means anything more than it was irrelevant.

>>21288 >I'll say that election exposed some important women's issues but her campaign itself seemed to be a cynical effort to replicate Obama's success as the first black candidate. She missed what made Obamas campaign work. Obama alongside being the first black candidate promised hope and change and made that the core of his campaign. The core of Hillary's campaign was identity politics based on what was between her legs and not being Trump. People just don't turn out to vote for that. It didn't help when the go to response to criticisms of her and her campaign was accusations of sexism.

>>21290 And teenagers.

>>21291 Nah, I never saw this comparation in terms of content, maybe on how things worked. When I compare and see other anons from other Ibs comparing it, I see the content, the content here is reddit tier, the cersorship is dumb, if not worse than it.

>>21201 >>21206 I wouldn't say all the internet left/right libertarians just became nazis/tankies. Some people did radicalize but it's more like the widening scope of the internet means that millions of normals flowed into the netscape and they were on average more authoritarian. They threw their lot behind more control, more stratification, more corporate entrenchment. Like ambiguity and cheekiness was less tolerated. Our kind just lost the war of numbers and will continue to lose it. It's why internet right-libertarians degenerated into "classical liberals" who masturbate to dictators and advocate for inane soykaf like banning porn or unlimited terms for Trump and the left fell for idpol really really badly.

>>35708 It's hard to get controversial conversations going if people are using downvotes to send your comment to oblivion. It's fine for link aggregation, but for discussion it tends to amplify the majority view on a certain topic and you end up with subreddits that are almost cult-like that share and express only one kind of opinion on things.

>>21336 I like to remind here of vote botting. You aint getting real people majority. You get marketing masquerading as people to get higher acceptance. Historically reddit even started with fake user content. The creator wrote once about how he had to create fake user content doing all the content himself to attract real traffic.

>>21321 Spot on. I think you're missing Russian active measures but all this was going on and they exploited it.

a good read https://www.paulgraham.com/conformism.html https://www.paulgraham.com/say.html

>>21130 https://ruqqus.com/+ConsumeProduct

>>21126 >In early 2000s imageboards were politic free Because most of what is now deemed "political" was totally apolitical and normal back then. Calling someone a f_ag or making fun of mentally ill men who want to be women wasn't at all considered an indicator of your political standing (let alone did it make you a "nazi"), it was just common sense. Permissiveness towards humor about racial stereotypes was also far more nuanced in that it could could be accepted as just a cheeky joke instead of immediately getting you kicked off the internet by hysterical lemmings. Not everything was consumed by this joyless puritanical rigidity and nobody pretended that saying "nigga" amounted to calling for genocide. >I have no idea how people posting nazi my lil pony images on soykafty threads turned into a serious polititcal movement. When you continually whip people for engaging in harmless behavior many of them will tend to just tell you to go fuarrrk yourself and go do precisely what you didn't want them to. You can't treat a whole generation of teenagers who just wanted to call each other nigger f_aggots over Call of Duty as literal klansmen and then be surprised when they grow up to be unironic racists.

>>21466 >Because most of what is now deemed "political" was totally apolitical and normal back then. Calling someone a f_ag or making fun of mentally ill men who want to be women wasn't at all considered an indicator of your political standing (let alone did it make you a "nazi"), it was just common sense. No it was retarded back then too. It just wasn't retarded and political. >You can't treat a whole generation of teenagers who just wanted to call each other nigger f_aggots over Call of Duty as literal klansmen and then be surprised when they grow up to be unironic racists. "It's those damn liberals! They made me hate black people!" tired excuse, and one that makes no sense. I used to do that soykaf too and I grew the fuarrrk up. If someone stays a racist manbaby their whole life it's probably because they have no prospects in life and take it out on others. The same process also creates communist hardliners and those vile trans "anarchists" that sit around harassing people on twitter. I think there's two generations of men who have been utterly gypped out of the stability that their parents and grandparents enjoyed, making them ripe for radicalization.

>>21484 I was going to post something longer but it was blocked by filter, I'm not wasting my time writing anything well elaborated on this website again. In short: millennials and gen z are rekt by the economy, media racializes the devastation and blames ordinary white people, American left refuses to stick up for the working class and just plays the id'p'ol game, you are stupid and the rest is history. End.

>>21484 >tired excuse, and one that makes no sense. That's literally how it works. Toxic obnoxious racists attack you, so you become a toxic obnoxious racist and attack back. The people who hate the opposite of what you hate are just people who got sucked into the hate cycle at 180° from where you entered. You are not superior to them in any way.

>>21035 complete cancer

The whole site puts off the aura of angsty teenage atheist. It's the epicenter of that cringe culture that flips out over trendy "tech" garbage and says soykaf like "for science!" and grow ironic mustaches, maybe. Mustaches might marginalize trans-women of color or something.

>>21495 >Toxic obnoxious racists attack you, so you become a toxic obnoxious racist and attack back. or you ignore them because you have better fuarrrking things to do

alternative reddit front-end https://teddit.net/about

>21044 the only non-homosexual anon in this entire thread

When you sign up for reddit, a sentient fedora glues itself to your head and whispers misogyny into your ear.

>>21519 You can't really ignore them when they're trying to get you fired or arrested for saying the wrong pronoun.

>>21962 can't wait for the backlash on that

>>21962 This didn't happen to you though. Nor did it happen to anyone you worked with or ever met.

>>21035 >Do you guys use Reddit? yes >discuss its pros and cons pros:used to have cons: a Frankenstein forum pre-new reddit and a complete dumpster fire after >cool subreddits r/deadorvegetable has a lot of watchpeopledie users. the rest either inactive or devolved into a meme spam.

I browsed a few out of curiosity, then I tried looking at the comments. The fact some of them need you to have "karma" to post is strange. As is the fact that a ton of comments have to be hidden unless you're logged in. Also that you can just throw money at posts just feels wrong. The fact it's all so fuarrrking "positive" is downright inhuman. The fact a lot of them seem okay with it is genuinely baffling. I think I can get why that site has a better reputation than places like Twitter or FB, but the fact that there's so much control embedded into the culture is disturbing. >>21978 Anyone spouting marxism as a generic insult has the brainpower of a gnat; I say this as someone with little love for communism.

>>21968 >hint: it isn't marxist pseudo philosophy A genre of fiction characterized by out of control capitalists ruling a dystopic world through technology is at least a jumping off point into marxism and related ideologies. If you genuinely didn't notice have far this community leans in that direction then this might be a fish not aware of the water type situation. >>21974 >This didn't happen to you though. Nor did it happen to anyone you worked with or ever met. What's your point? Tyranny is fine as long as it doesn't destroy your life?

>>21993 >What's your point? Tyranny is fine as long as it doesn't destroy your life? They, like most denizens of this board, lack any self awareness. They're most likely trump voters :) >>21974 As a matter of fact, I have direct experience. Two of my coworkers were fired for alleged "transphobia" in the workplace. I was present at the time of the alleged situation, and overheard the conversation. The tranny was attacking one of them, he did not retaliate in any way. He said "ok, well I'm going to get back to work". His friend said "lay off, <correct name>, he literally just spent the weekend patching <other coworker>'s fuarrrkup". That was the entire conversation. Next thing I know, they're gone. When I talked to them later, they said the faggoţ they were talking to (he, it's a fuarrrking he) said they "misgendered" him and hurled a "slur" at him. Bullshit. I told the boss, and he said "well, it's too late now". Later I told that little fuarrrk what I had overheard and what went down, and he laughed and said "deal with it princess". So I punched him in the face and made him bleed. lmfao, he wept like a little bitch. I told him if he said a word about it, I'd hunt him down, rape him like a muslim does a goat, and then cut him a new pussy so he could save on his tranny charges. Needless to say, he quit within a week. Justice is hard, but it's worth it.

>>21994 I've had a similar situation, except when I defended myself, I got fired and nearly arrested. I slashed the trannies tires and smashed his windows though :)

>>21994 >>21996 Based. It's good to know people are putting their necks out and changing minds.

>>21994 >>21996 I had a similar situation with a nigger tranny at my workplace. I and a few others got together and followed him to his apartment. We then called domestic abuse calls and pizzas to his place over and over and over for several weeks. It became such a problem that the landlord evicted him for constant disturbances. He was homeless, so one of us let him stay at our place. We all came over and got him good and drunk, and replaced his titty skittles with some acid microdots. They look almost identical :) . Next day at work, he flips the fuarrrk out and screams with pupils the size of dinner plates at the boss who fires him. When he gets back to his crash pad, the door is locked. No personal belongings, no job, no home, nothing. We made sure to ensure that he wasn't around when we wanted to go in, or my guy would come crash at my place or our other friend's. It took a few weeks for the trash to be taken out (we called the police every time we saw him on the stoop). Ultimately, it was one of the most satisfying things I've ever done. We pawned his soykaf and used it for a night on the town. Nice when the trannys pay for something instead of holding their hands out.

>>22001 >>21996 >>21994 Doing God's work gentlemen. I have a problem at work, but I'll be totally honest: I'm way too cowardly to actually do something. There's a lot of discontent since this guy is making all the management bend over backwards to service his whims. I've done some minor retaliation like putting sugar in his car gas tank, but it doesn't seem to slow him down. I've been feeling out some coworkers views on the whole situation, and I think I might have a crew that could pull some soykaf like >>22001 . It'd be nice to take care of business.

LARPers.

>>22002 >sugar in the gas tank oh man, I'm laughing so hard at this. It's a funny way to start, but it is a start. Do what >>22001 this guy did, and fuarrrk with his living situation. That's how you get the gold. You don't need to get violent, but it's important to make them feel unsafe and violated. >>22020 It's ok to be envious of people who actually pursue soykaf and get it done. It's really sad that you need to tell us about it though.

>>21037 have you tried infinity for reddit? its the closest FOSS client for resist from fdroid

>>21994 lmao this story makes no sense. If they really were such a little rat you would have been fired and then charged with a criminal offense.

>>23356 yeah these stories are all obviously just sadistic fantasies.

This place is like a sub in a way, but cooler than /g/ on Four Chan. Great to be here!

>>23358 >This place is like a sub well that's how you know it's gone really bad

as someone who spent too many years on 4c, I can say that I have a deep deep hatred for reddit and its users (except those I actually know). Not sure I'll be able to grow out of it anyway, and I don't think it's a problem. I do have an account that I use like once every couple of months To tell something less abstract, I deeply dislike the idea of upvotes in itself. I'm used to forums and imageboards, where everything is sorted by newest response, and I find it way better than having other people chose what you see

>>23407 I went on reddit a few times because I was linked there for some question that I had by a web crawler. I see reddit as a sort of hybrid yahoo answers with forum name users. Basically the worst of both worlds. With forums you had people who would try to use seniority or post quantities to be the best answer, and many early answer sites you saw the most upvoted answer. Combine the two and you have a popularity contest where not only is the objective to get the most upvotes, but to also acquire sufficient forum points to be able to dispel other opinions on some fabricated merit.

>>23407 One difference I think is that on Reddit, you can upvote without having anything to say. I think that changes the kind of stuff that rises to the top. Also the idea of upvotes as internet points is kind of soykaf. I feel like in forums and image boards you have to work harder to earn the approval of the community.

>>23407 >To tell something less abstract, I deeply dislike the idea of upvotes in itself. I'm used to forums and imageboards, where everything is sorted by newest response, and I find it way better than having other people chose what you see My feelings exactly. I hate how Reddit has effectively killed traditional forums. Void Linux killed theirs in favor of Reddit several years ago, so when I wound up having a problem that seemed Void-specific, I had no choice but to post there. It never got solved. Thread stayed up for a day or so, got a few upvotes and comments, but no conclusion. A few months go by and I get some additional insight to my problem... but I couldn't just bump the thread because that's not how Reddit works. I'd have to make a new one. Had this been a conventional forum, it would have been pushed to the top after each reply, more people would have seen it and offered their insight, and who knows? Maybe it would've gotten solved. >>23410 Reminds me of another thing I hate about Reddit and social media in general. If a popular user on a forum was arguing with a less-popular user, then yeah, people would be more likely to take the former's side. But at least the latter's posts were still just as visible as anyone else's, so they had an equal chance for their voice to be heard provided the mods weren't total babies and deleted their posts. On Reddit, the unpopular one would get downvoted into oblivion. On Twitter, the popular guy's posts would be retweeted more and seen by far more people than the unpopular guy's. It's weird. Back in the day I used to hate forums. Never fit in on any of them, never liked how cliquey they felt. But now that something far worse has taken their place, I miss them.

>>23358 not submissive, not aggresve

>>21035 It used to censor too much and now it censors even more. Let it die. I only reference it for research, but actual forums wherein development happen could have been for that. I was okay before reddit was big for it, so it's useless if you can't just be yourself. Also it's subs that were fun die when overpopulated as the culture dies. There's that too. They are always moderated very poorly. Too little and too much at the same time. No matter if you break the rules you'll be censored at least 8 percent of the time if you post there a lot, and then eventually they'll ban your account one day when some mod decides him going without sex makes you the 'incel' so he takes it out on you by being vicious as you're 'toxic', not him. Also soykaf like shadow bans and automatic censoring randomly is really dystopian. Also the karma soykaf is dystopian, and other blocks. That's reddit. Dystopian. It's only useful due to stealing information from resources that are both more secure and more admirable to click into.

>>23411 Even then, the purpose of upvotes ought to be just to cut down on one-word "THIS"-style replies, not to dictate what is and isn't visible. I know some modern forums do this. They even take it to a further extent with different reactions, letting you mark a post as informative, funny, stupid, low-effort, etc. But all it does is add a little sticker to the post or make a number go up/down, not affect whether people can see it.

>>23411 >One difference I think is that on Reddit, you can upvote without having anything to say. I think that changes the kind of stuff that rises to the top. Not necessarily though, since all the votes are collated server side. It might not but 50,000 people upvoting a post, it might just but a narrative that the reddit shareholders really want to propagate. And the same in reverse. You could get 50,000 people clicking the upvote button but end up with -100 karma because that's a forbidden opinion you just shared there, Winston. >>23445 >letting you mark a post as informative, funny, stupid, low-effort, etc. Yeah kiwifarms does this and it's pretty good.

A while ago I decided to give reddit another go, and it ended predictably: negative karma, multiple bans and shadowbans. - If a subreddit thinks you're not being a team player and jerking off the others hard enough, they'll get rid of you. It doesn't have to be anything political either. redditors are angered and terrified by anything that disturbs their hermetically sealed handjob heavens. - The rules are for YOU... not others. The insiders can break them down to the atomic level and nothing will ever happen to them, but you don't even have to break them to get booted. And naturally the site administration will always side with them, regardless of what happens. - Popular methods of arguing: downvoting, reporting, looking through your comment history, and insults. Debate is literally just a meme on reddit, associated with Ben Shapiro (a real progressive doesn't debate anything). - The average redditor is the living embodiment of the fool wojack. Utterly stupid and with no capacity for original thought. Everything they know and think about comes from reddit or the media. They believe themselves to be supremely intelligent and radically free-thinking, not like those cultists who watch Fox News. - reddit is groundhog day in HTML. Same threads and comments every day, even across different subs. And I'm not even talking about literal re-posts. - The front page is either the latest updates on the Führer, or subtle and repetitive propaganda related to black people, nazis and the holocaust. reddit's most important function is to manipulate people. - The comment system is completely unsuited for discussion. Even reading threads is difficult, and the new version of the site (which I don't use) makes it futile to even try. They started with a system not designed for discussion and then intentionally made it even worse. A lot of this applies to 4chan too.

The site used to be good but then r/redditmoment happened and jesus fuarrrk did the platform turn to soykaf

No, I don't use reddit.

>>21035 i really dont like reddit, redditors ruin every thing that they touch

haven't used reddit in months, mostly because its straight up boring. i started using it for memes back in 2017 (its cringe, i know) and most of the subs i was subscribe have become low quality insider trades. i can only recomend using the site for subs that have less than 100k subs, and never touching r/all. the only subs i use are ones related to linux/tech good mobile client: i use slide, its available om f-droid

>>23565 This. fuarrrk reddit and fuarrrk you if you use it actively. Reddit is what ruined 4chan.

>>23574 You are literally on Lainchan.

>>23574 Wojak is cancer too, even redditors use it.

>>23559 >>23574 >be like 2012ish >/r9k/ is a depression board >normal people did not invade with disingenuous posts yet >be now >they use wojaks, meant for genuine feelings, only as a way to mock cringey people when /r9k/ was originally comprised of cringey people trying to have a community Hello. Did you realize you have no life either or you'd not be 'here'? Didn't think so. Work on your introspective thoughts.

On imageboards, reddit is often criticized for the upvote system, but I think upvotes aren't inherently bad. It's just the dumb redditors without self awareness who misuse upvotes as "I agree" and down votes as "I disagree" that make the site such cancer. Combine this misuse with the fact, that upvotes mean visibility, and you have a forum that has no other option than to converge into a hive mind, hugbox, circle jerk, or however you want to call it. But the system can potentially work well, for example it does on stackexchange. There you will often see comments like "-1 because [valid criticism of the actual argument]". But I think stackexchange would also turn into soykaf if they allowed more humour or opinion-based questions. I would be interested to see how a forum where any up/downvote *must* be accompanied by a written explanation would develop. >>23456 Which one is the fool wojak? There are so many wojaks that I've lost count.

>>23600 >I would be interested to see how a forum where any up/downvote *must* be accompanied by a written explanation would develop. At its most lax I could see this system being cheated easily where any input would qualify as an "explanation" (ex: cringe, bluepilled, nazi, fuarrrk off , literal gibberish, etc.). Which might just create a habit where everyone must comment on everything but in the most minimal and least constructive way possible. At its most extreme one might require a more involved answer and a arbiter (that would almost certainly need to be automated) of what counts as "constructive". This would filter out a lot of people who may end up crying censorship.

>>23610 Of course it wouldn't solve the problem entirely because you can't 100% force people to have a constructive discussion. But maybe simply encouraging it may be enough to make a noticeable difference.

>>23579 >Wojak is cancer too yes. Wojaks and pepes are unironically rage comics 2.0 at this point >>23600 >On imageboards, reddit is often criticized for the upvote system, but I think upvotes aren't inherently bad. idk. But what is the worst thing about the upvote system is that it is the default view of instead of showing posts in chronological order.

>>23577 >>23577 Why do you think I'm on lainchan? Because 4chn and its derivatives are intolerable petri dishes of retardation. And it's a direct result of reddt migration, pol, and phoneposters.

Its kind of depressing seeing people refer to reddit as an app. People dont know the history of the site.

>>23618 Everything is an app for technologically illiterate people.

>>23618 It's depressing when everything gets called an app.

>>23624 These mf don't even know how to operate a web browser or what urls are. They just type whatever they are looking for on the browser bar and go wherever seems fit. It's an amazing thing to see.

>>23624 No it fuarrrking isn't. Who cares if its called an app

I've been using Reddit for quite some time, but I've deleted my account in late 2019. The main problem is how politically biased most of the site got, even on relatively non-political subreddits. But I guess that's how the entire internet is right now, right?

>>23630 I expect you to use English the way that God and Her Majesty intend you to use it, unless and until you have an eight character limit for the purposes of efficiency and compatibility. 'Apps' can gtfo

>>21100 >Free speech is enforced human right. Thing is, online forums arent the screwing government. In a sovereign democracy, the people write laws that dictate how business may conducted in their state. If they would like to stipulate a condition that private social media networks must not allow their moderation practices to be politically biased, then it is certainly within their right to do so. Additionally, if someone believes in absolute free speech, it makes sense that they would not want to support entities that work against it. My point is just that the "free speech = no direct state censorship" thing is a misrepresentation of the issue. So then the question becomes about which circumstances justify censorship, or if you take a more realpolitik angle, under what circumstances can promoting or allowing censorship to happen help you. I don't think "when a social media megacorporation does it against fringe members of the opposition to a political party I only half-support" is one of those situations. I would be worried about that half-support turning into no support and becoming the censored opposition myself, since my pseudo-allies are much more closely aligned with the censors' goals than I am.

>>21035 Like 4chan they hate their own userbase and are in it purely for the money.

They pick and choose who is allowed to bully what type of person so I let them go when they derezzed me for defending neets. Bully subs exist but they ban them if they feel like it 'doesn't agree with the majority'. Reddit convinced me single handedly that democracy is bad, blatantly. Then there's shadow bans and things that make you censored 10 percent of the time for no reason other than egotistical mods that sub 50+ subs just to soykaf on people to make themselves feel 'better' than others. It gives the egotist a high, and I have no time for this. Creating karma just to repost what someone is taking down takes too much time, so I only ever bother reddit with technical questions for a long time now rather than just try to be myself and have fun there and I shall never contribute to their site ever again. The karma system can't stop threads here and there with a month old account any time I run into an issue, so I use reddit this way. 9/10 they don't solve the issue I'm having also. But it makes me feel better to randomly soykaf on their parade to let them know they're actually technically useless and nothing but another 4chan that steals everything from the rest of the Internet rather than having ever 'been something' like 4chan used to be and other sites can be. Anyway, all in all their site only got worse over time.

I've thought a lot about this over my years on the internet/4chan/reddit. Reddit has a community that is nowhere else. Even if you don't like it, it's still the best place for certain discussion or getting information. It's important to subscribe only to subreddits that are productive and have novel and constructive content. I categorize these subreddits roughly into the following: Local: I care about what is happening around me, so I will subscribe to my city and state subreddit. I have learned invaluable news and have had relevant discussions here. Examples would be something like /r/portland or /r/berlin. These are some of the best and most relevant local discussion on the internet besides some niche local facebook groups. Subculture: Some subreddits are about a place or topic, but are more removed from it or are a niche of it. An example might be something like /r/ccj2, which focused on the china expat life (normally something like /r/china /r/sino) and developed a unique lexicon0. Rest in peace. If you didn't live that life or weren't china-adjacent, you wouldn't be there and won't understand what's going on. Something similar now may be /r/5555555/. It's usually about coping with living in a foreign environment through humor and creating new words to describe the experience. These are my favorite. Fandom: These are subreddits which are about culture like a TV show, sports, genre, or video game, and rarely go off topic. I'm not too interested in entertainment, but if I'm getting into a particular multi-player video game with friends I'll check these out. This is where you learn about meta and updates, music from a certain genre or label, or new episodes of a TV show. Social: Typically about individual posters and socializing, sharing details about your life and stereotypes based around (not on!) some common topic. If "successful" (ie increasing traffic), these will go through a cycle of growth and eventually the culture of individual posters gets washed out by upvoting low-effort easy-consumable memes and perceived aesthetic of the community. The average redditor will join and the regulars will flee to somewhere else. An example of this might be /r/redscarepod, which grew from discussing a podcast to a place where girls and gays could chat about culture, fashion, and their life experiences, and is slowly becoming homogenized to a kind of tradcath lib-reactionary thing. Old People: Posters on /r/pics, /r/aww, /r/space, /r/dankmemes. and /r/gaming (most of /r/all) are aging millennials that are facebook-tier. They will repost twitter screenshots and old memes and post them up in the closet at their IT support job. These are well-known by the powers that be and are actively monitored and manipulated. There is little to be gained from here -- advertisers want your eyeballs on these subreddits. Bots use these to make their accounts look more legitimate. As I think about it these categorizations are broad and I'm subscribed to a lot that don't fit in them. They aren't really categorizations but loose descriptors. But what I'm trying to say is that there are subreddits which are a good use of your time, and others which are not. I'm also drunk and rambling right now. Anything with memes or reposted content which is not helping you discover something new that you can research yourself is usually not good. Besides this, discussion and understanding life better through other people's experiences is usually constructive.

>Do you guys use Reddit? Yes, but I'm trying to quit using it in an unhealthy way. I don't even like most of the site and I only visit it to laugh at the users. The site works best if you just look at top last week/month or just look at it to search a question. I do like their insider trade subreddits some what. Finally I do like my city/state subreddit >Do discuss its pros and cons. It's only pro is that it's the only popular text based forum left. All other big/growing sites have word limits, weren't made for long back and forth convos, are private, or only have comment sections so you can react. It's pretty depressing how far we stooped, but once reddit and facebook are gone the average normal person will no longer be able to see long posts. Its cons are due to it's smaller nature it has a less diverse user base. Besides STEM subreddits professionals don't really post on the site, try looking for an artist on the site who wants to talk instead of spam their work. Also the focus is still on STEM, emphasis on the E, so it isn't much help on "random obscure literary term" or books higher than "ready player two" How do you anons feel about reddits recent changes? IIRC reddit has never turned a profit in it's existence and I think the sudden changes the past 2-3 years are them trying to change that fact. Reddit live, reddit awards, and that weird reddit discord thing is all a sad bid for money. With the GME giving them a new boost of users they'll try to transform the site into some twitter/tumblr 2.0

I would say it's good for small niche communities, but any subreddit that has over 300k subscribers is unusable. I ESPECIALLY hate the politics of that website.

>>23574 >>23617 Blaming problems on other things is one of the fascinating aspects of Human life. Now there child there a multiple on why would you think the media you consume then and now is different; one of the reasons that I would like to point out is that you've grown out of it and tired, second is that times have changed and people really think that they're smarter than everyone else and their opinion is factual evidence (Even I admit that). Blaming it to the protocol, hardware, and software rather plain foolish.

>>23740 People convey they're meanings in the shortest way possible that's why the common words are always used on every discourse.

The only thing I do on Reddit these days is go to r/manga once in a while to look down upon self-inserters and mock them. I have no idea why that place has even more self-inserters than 4chan does.

>>23618 My Dutch parent calls everything an “app” except he can't pronounce the English /æ/ vowel properly, so he pronounces it as though it be “ep”, which is even more annoying because “ep” is also a Dutch word for a foolish person.

On paper I should like reddit. My life is boring so I enjoy reading about other people's interesting life experience. But the community is insufferable. Everyone is so concerned about their karma that the place feels almost Orwellian. There is such a groupthink mentality that feels so manufactured. You must like what everyone likes and hate what everyone hates. I realize that this is not exceptional, but there is something about reddit 's collective consciousness that irks me more than imageboards.

Is lainchan any better than reddit? Was it before?

No longer have an account but still check them, good for the links, not the comments. They become boring pretty fast. The echo chamber thing is boring, but you can see that everywhere.

I don't have an account but I use reddit, strictly for porn. Everytime I accidentally read a comment on there, any comment at all, it makes me want to kill myself and other people too.

>>24558 >On paper I should like reddit. My life is boring so I enjoy reading about other people's interesting life experience. But the community is insufferable. Everyone is so concerned about their karma that the place feels almost Orwellian. There is such a groupthink mentality that feels so manufactured. You must like what everyone likes and hate what everyone hates. I realize that this is not exceptional, but there is something about reddit 's collective consciousness that irks me more than imageboards. There are organized sub-collectives on reddit, professional and otherwise. What I mean by that is there are large groups that vote as blocs to decide what is and isn't popular or what is and isn't seen by all the other users effectively controlling the content. The place is basically one giant ad masquerading as content.

>>24563 why use reddit for porn? Twitter exists, and it has a non-botnet viewer, stalk your favorite egirls/boys.

>>24565 It's good if you don't have a name in mind, for discovering new stuff and also amateur content like girls whoring themselves out on tiktok for views.

I use it for smaller technical, scientific and religious subs. The large subs are cancer, so I avoid them.

>>24563 Any... euh... recommendations?

>>21035 Not often, but I'll sockpuppet to ask questions (usually technical or gaming related) and delete the account when I get a satisfactory answer. I used to be pretty addicted to reddit to the point where I was less happy, so I deleted my account and didn't look back for the most part.

I use Reddit somewhat often, there is a lot of cool stuff on there, but also a lot of dumb garbage. Reddit is super, super active which is nice, and it has everything from massively niche porn to music to life advice and religion. It is basically everything a popular chan should be, except filled with normal people and sjws and with a pretty terrible UI. Biggest con? Its filled with normal people and sjws. The mods are also pretty cringe on a lot of subs. I like r/LiminalSpace, r/iamverysmart, r/2007scape, random soykaf like that. Cringe, games I play, and cool pictures.

>>21037 >tuir naisu ^^ I use tuir, too, with torsocks, albeit rarely. Mainly for getting a broader view of people's thoughts on a subject. Different sites seem to attract different sorts of people, after all. I do wish tuir had sidebar/wiki support, as sidebars and wikis are one of the more useful aspects of Reddit imo. That said, Reddit's pretty terrible in terms of privacy so I only lurk. https://tosdr.org/en/service/194 http://6tc72lnilgt4dn2u6qk44vfns2qca552smajbilfcl6zs7ezf7emhbad.onion/en/service/194

eh if i need to, yeah, reddit's usually pretty good for support with niche software

>>25626 r/4chan moment Anyways they removed r/kimyojongnsfw

I use it to look at entertaining posts, not to have deep conversations or to debate serious topics. Unsubscribing from every default sub and looking for your own interests is the best way to enjoy that website.

>>21035 reddit is like kicking dead whales down the beach. 1) It's highly censored now Spez is the CEO 2) It's cliquish. 8 people moderate the top 100 forums or subreddits. 3) The reddit admins shadowban people from paid advertising by giving people and websites they don't like 100% fake traffic.

>>21035 I have an account, but I don't go there that much anymore after my country's sub got bombarded by stupid politics bickering. I was going there for conversation mostly, maybe laugh at a meme from time to time. On Android you can use Slide, as other anons said.

>>21035 It's good for some interests since most online forums are dead. (rip) Not for anything else though, the memes are sub-par and it is hard to have an intelligent discussion. Also, lots of self-righteous annoying people. There are a few cool subreddits, but it's generally a waste of time, like all social media.

>>25671 >100% fake traffic. Yeah I don't believe that.

>>23762 Reddit convinced me that mass literacy was bad.

>>23762 I mean yes and no. I dont remember which one of the old latin guys it was but they noted already back then democrazy works only with a smart population. That said reddit is not a democracy. Vote manipulation aside the mods run the site like monarchs with equal amount of inbreeding. >>25934 Literacy implies you understand what you read...

I thought the plebbit influence on lain was just my imagination, but of course why would anything nice ever happen. I could go on the usual rant about how we need a final solution to the reddit question but if you're on lain you should already know why a Tencent owned echo chamber run by actually fascist tranny janny paedos seeking to control all speech is a bad thing.

Reddit is only good for some niche nerd topics but is practically unusable for news, politics, etc.

>>25947 This is dumb since there's plenty of crawlers that could do this. However if you did this on imageboards, I would still doubt it. I 100% suspected webkit/qtweb/mozilla being infiltrated at some point or it could be just another feature that tries to check your addresses doing this (one great example is safebrowsing which even your user.js project overlook and ignore to even tackle, I suspect this was the case since the IPs point to such ASN). I made similar experiment several years ago and it even worked on qupzilla (KDE's browser that is using qt and webkit at the time not qtweb), visiting any links that go to the address bar would have two visitors and I happen to have noticed this by masking an IP logger and testing it over browsers address bars. Now you may suspect these individuals who crawled your stuff could somehow have had malicious browsers that would auto visit any links (brave perhaps is my biggest suspect), that could be a possibility, or it might even be you yourself (like what happened with my experiment).

>>21035 Even a thousand pages soykafty book could have one sentence that is worth its gold, I see any platform as such, be it social media cancer or any other cancerous platform out there since the content generated is still by the people. I wouldn't care about the degradation or meta of any platform or site since they aren't irreplaceable. >Also, if you have any recommendations for any good mobile clients for Reddit and/or cool subreddits, do share. I'll go first. Most of them are rotten, I'd assume it's not even using teddit or similar and has a lot of cross-site tracking since content is usually cross-site and external you might as well be leaving your tracks to the trackers (even loading a youtube player or thumbnail on another site would influence your youtube suggestions). Most app are disgusting since it may not be using https at all times while there had been plenty of instances where apps using security (tls) over webview breaks due to poor implementation of the platform itself and somehow there was even a workaround on dropping tls to satisfy old middle boxes that can't tls.

>>25947 link prefetching is a thing on a lot of browsers.

>>26058 Shit, is this real? I do not understand the context

>>26064 No date on image to timeline but i would guess they used him as a symbol in the great war recently where a new redid employee was found to be a pedo by quick google search and instead of ceo distancing themself they started banning threads writing about it. So users fought with reposts vs reddit blocking posts. That guy in specific died in the process of fighting for his believe in freedom of information which gave him martyr status.

>>26066 >>26064 Aaron used to be featured in the "who created reddit?" tab as a co-creator, but now he's literally nowhere to be found, and it's painfully obvious as to why. Reddit is trying to erase any trace of Aaron having anything to do with the website, because Aaron believed in free speech and he wanted reddit to the Internet's public square! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OhyBJxg9RA But this is no longer reddit's focus. The new people who took over reddit all have a political agenda, and they use reddit to spread that agenda. The new admins pretty much gaslight people into thinking reddit has always been like this, and into thinking free speech is bad and evil and mustn't be allowed. Reddit is no longer a public square, it's a propaganda machine. And just so we're clear, it wasn't always like this. In 2011, the reddit admins outright defended the existence of r/jailbait, saying that it was a testament to reddit's policy on free speech! Don't forget that.

>>26076 >it's a propaganda machine Much like any forum since 2007 seriously guys both sides are just the sheep for the specific entities with certain permutations.

>public square this is what pedditors actually believe what does it say about your so called "public square" when the entire place is built around mob rule via le epic upboats xDDDDDDDDD

>>26127 well yes mob rule is generally how public squares work.

>>26091 >Much like any forum since 2007 You are missing the point. What makes reddit a propaganda machine is the way the algorithm decides what you see and don't see on every page. And you get rewarded with upvotes for posting the "correct" opinions and punished with downvotes and humiliation for posting the "wrong" opinions. The whole way reddit is designed is literally training people how to think. The same way you train a dog. It's a propaganda machine.

>>26127 > the entire place is built around mob rule via le epic upboats There's nothing traceable about the voting system. The reality is you send a http request to a centralized server and get some html back. The html can say a comment has 1000 votes or -1000 votes. How do you know how many people actually voted?

Why do lainons seem so similar to redditors? Which do you think is closer to lainchan: reddit or 4chan?

>>26260 /g/ and 420chan

Does reddit have something like the bumplimit feature of lainchan?

>>26260 They're chan users who think acting like reddit will solve the problems of imageboard culture.

>>26360 weirdest theory i read outside /x stuff

>>26360 This explains everything.

>>26361 Do you mean that sarcastic comment semi-seriously or does the implication just irk you? The way I see it people always seem to equivocate the decline of imageboard culture with 4chan becoming more and more defined as the only place you can be openly be racist, soykaf on tr4nnies, and discuss right wing politics while also becoming very "sh1tposty" in the process. So a lot of these smaller imageboards (or even just blue boards on 4chan itself) think they can filter out the sh1tpostyness by removing the right wing language associated with it. Of course it never actually works out that way and the conversation quality remains "sh1tposty" despite removing politics (like in the case of a board like /his/), or you get a dead website like this one (maybe it's both?).

>>26364 Thats very specific and also limited to mods while the original post is asking about the entire userbase. Language enhancers also dont kill conversation. They simply hide it from hunting squads looking for a war front which is a good way to prevent unnecessary drama. I would rather apply occams razor and say if someone writes like reddit he likely comes from reddit. Then again present chan consists at least half of reddit users sprinkled with viral marketers operating on both sites for the same campaigns so the distinction got blurred as the userbases merged somewhat.

>>26368 The userbase does it too, talk about certain subject matters in the kind of places I described and you'll be accused of being a p0l kiddy no matter how you write about it. >Language enhancers also dont kill conversation. They wall off a huge spectrum of ideas and connections so that the people having a dialogue are forced to awkwardly dance around something that you aren't allowed to talk about, even if it ends up being relevant. On some blue boards you could be a having a thread about why life feels so soykafty and atomized these days, and if someone mentions the change in attitudes towards sex as a possible reason for that he'll be instantly derided as a p0lack or an incel while an entire angle of viewing the question is removed. Throttling entire topics or ideas without nuance is just a copout for lazy moderation and an even lazier user base who cheer them on because it's easier to name the symptoms of a bad discussion than the causes. >They simply hide it from hunting squads looking for a war front which is a good way to prevent unnecessary drama. What's drama to you? An argument? Because that's what seems to be passed off as "drama" to certain users here. I'll allude to another thread which is on the catalogue right now, I think you know which. X: I think this Y: I disagree, I think this X & Y proceed to exchange ideas to find out whose right, depending on how invested they are in their ideas it may become a little heated but that's just how conversation goes, maybe someone feels insulted along the way Z: Oh what a terrible thread, so much drama mods delete plz!!! I don't see how "that" kind of drama is particularly harmful, if getting into arguments (or a "war front" as you called it) puts you in a bad place for the rest of the day then I don't know what to say, it's part and parcel of talking with strangers online and most people aren't seriously bothered by it. Maybe some people really do want to put their positions head to head in a debate and maybe others are just out to feel good about winning an argument, you shouldn't strangle that possibility in its crib just because not everyone is going to be productive. >I would rather apply occams razor and say if someone writes like reddit he likely comes from reddit. I've had this conversation with other people before. Categorizing posters based on the language they use won't eliminate a kind of negative behavior, it'll make the marketplace of ideas more narrow and produce boring, sterile conversation that nobody wants to invest any energy into lest they invoke the wrong word and be lumped into a blacklisted category of people. If anything, that approach encourages poor faith argumentation and trolly behavior because you'll have already made up your mind about someone before they elaborate their ideas, so the only kick you can even get out of the interaction is from yelling at the boogeyman caricature you think the other side is. I already mentioned the example of /his/ because it's a board where mentioning anything even remotely "/p0l/ like" (something as little as being pro-German from a historical standpoint) will instantly get you dogpiled on by posters or even derezzed by moderation, yet its one of the most trolly low effort boards I have ever been on for any significant period of time. As usually happens, the negative behavior which was supposed to be uprooted by targeting ideas associated with it instead slips by as both the userbase and moderation focus their ire on the prohibited language instead.

>>26372 I dont get your start. Language enhancers dont ban discussion. I mean who cares what words we use? As long as participants understand the meaning, its not an issue to swap words. It just becomes local dialect. Now how people react is a different issue unrelated to swapping words. >What's drama to you? An argument? Trollbait spam igniting more spam. Shitflinging outside the scope of any real argument. You know how you can trigger certain people with key words and they will destroy the thread screaming at each other - that kind of drama. I think creating a dialect that excludes these types works and is a good idea for that reason.

>>26376 >I dont get your start. Language enhancers dont ban discussion. By 'language enhancers' I assumed you were talking about certain topics that are blacklisted from discussion even if they're related to a greater web of themes that aren't, like in the example I gave of modern life and sexuality. If you meant word filters or something then I guess I don't have a serious problem with it. >Trollbait spam igniting more spam. Shitflinging outside the scope of any real argument. You know how you can trigger certain people with key words and they will destroy the thread screaming at each other - that kind of drama. >I think creating a dialect that excludes these types works and is a good idea for that reason. It sounds like everything you have an issue with could be mended by joining a website with usernames and a reputation system, for which I must ask what someone like you even finds appealing about anonymous boards. I don't know what to make of an imageboard user who is viscerally off put by arguing. The whole premise of using a website like this is that you'll inevitably encounter more ideas of lower quality, but the greater autonomy of discussion also allows better ideas to emerge amidst the rampant abuse of freedom. And with that, I now realize why lainchan doesn't work, it's the completely wrong format of website for what its trying to achieve. It should've just been a php forum or subreddit.

>>26396 >If you meant word filters not him, but yeah that's probably what he means. iirc "language enhancer" used to be the word filter for "word filter" on pre-wipe lainchan. i think it's at least kind of entertaining when the filters become part of the vernacular like that. a fun side effect being the reverse-substitution that happens elsewhere. i still can't see the word "user" without mentally reading it as "f​ag"

>>26396 Original one here, names can be bad because you mentally flag people for being stupid. Anon boards lead to all messages given equal value at first glance which is nice. Personally got a bias against people with 10k+ posts. There are some good exceptions but i would say they is a correlation of postcount&crazy. Secondary i value the open discussion. Anything goes even if it might be deleted longterm. Only by inviting chaos can we find new good ideas. Note also i have no issue if posters namecall each other as long as they still move the thread forward and provide content at same time. The previous described scenario is the type however that doesn't really argue. They get triggered by key words and repeat their talking points like some npc character in a game while ignoring any attempt at interaction or worse misinterpret opponents points. An interesting lesson from forums with names is that you can observe 4-5 people on a forum repeat the same discussion for weeks. Its spam because nobody is providing anything new and the same pattern happens on anon imageboards. Just harder to avoid because you cant flag these people by their names but i think its worth paying enduring this for giving the chance to see new ideas. The same time i do believe attempts to keep such people out are a good idea because they do not provide value as they do not grow or entertain new ideas. Thats why i believe its a good idea to obscure things with word swapping. Reddit is in general not suited for breeding new ideas because controversial ideas never survive in a upvote system run by popularity.

I can't even swear or express contrarian opinions on reddit, and everything becomes an echo chamber. When i asked around for tech advice, only ~4 people were actually helpful and responded to my question. On 4chan for example, even though there are more retards there, I feel good knowing there'll be a reply to my problem that's guaranteed. 4chan is much more broader (than reddit) for suprises and such. /g/ for example is <b>very</b> vast in its contents. People can talk about security, GPUs, women in tech, anything. It's fun compared to the "only mod approved opinions" reddit has. I even discovered new things, like certain manga, anime and tech thanks to 4chan. Reddit didn't help with that as I mostly frequented 1 subreddit. Subs like /r/cringetopia are full of soykaf men and people that would be considered udnerage on 4ch/here. tldr; Reddit isn't free and its addictive

>>21048 >Cukc pyschology Fuarrrkking hell, cukcs are all over /r9k/, its unreal. I can't believe there are autistic fuarrktards who get turned on from IRL NTR.

>>26471 Why your 4 lines post have a tldr and why the tldr says it's about freedom and addiction while the post is clearly about diversity of content and you never touch these two points?

>>26479 Why do you suck at basic comprehension? Seeing soykaf like this annoys me. His post is "site is soykaf". His tldr is "addiction" - literally same thing in roundabout way - people are only there cause they are addicted and not cause the site is worth it. >>26472 I think its rooted in most people lacking any form of self-reflection. Men actually have a natural reaction to bust a larger nut if you see a man fuarrrk a women you wanna knock up too to make sure you knock her up instead of your competition - they actually did research on this and theres literature on it. C|_|cks likely see only omg i bust larger nut i must like it.

>>21035 I created my first reddit account in 2016 if i remember well, but never really used it, just lurked around some subs that were enjoyable and commented in some posts one time or another. I started to reaaally used it in mid 2019, and used a lot during 2020 quarentine, but then i stopped using, it's not worth it, i've never seen such obnoxious user base, pathetic. Maybe just lurking around is the best way to use anykind of social media. >>21060 Karma really does a thing with your ego, which is fuarrrking stupid because it just literally means you use the thing, serves for really absolutely nothing. Jeez how stuff got like this...

>>26479 >tldr says it's about freedom and addiction while the post is clearly about diversity of content and you never touch these two points? I think the implication is that reddit users are addicted to the validation they receive from upvotes for posting an approved opinion. Therefor they lack the freedom to post diverse opinions (and get punished for it). >>26503 >I think its rooted in most people lacking any form of self-reflection. First of all you need to have some awareness of how millions of years of evolutionary pressure can shape subconscious psychological processes. Even people who accept evolution and love Science™ are not necessarily aware. Then secondly you probably have to be exposed to some specific research to join those dots and understand the origins of NTR. So yeah it is ignorant people being ignorant but it's not like they are missing anything obvious either. Evolutionary psychology only seems obvious in hindsight.

>>46357 You dont need to understand the mechanism to understand its a bad idea - i.e. drugs bad. Then there's the option to do your own research if in doubt and find out why and the exceptions like microdosing to boost performance. People are simply largely lazy addicts and do what feels good. fatties, gambling addicts, elite fappers... got all the same root issue. Another side thought: history class also teaches your girl is getting plowed was literally used in ww2 as propaganda for demoralization of the enemy. I think that alone should get people thinking whether free ntr pron distribution is malicious or not.

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>>26522 >You dont need to understand the mechanism to understand its a bad idea - i.e. drugs bad. That is appeal to authority and no authority is saying that NTR is bad. >I think that alone should get people thinking whether free ntr pron distribution is malicious or not. <Liking NTR is a natural result of evolution <Nobody has any motivation to tell you it's bad <??? <IT'S A CONSPIRACY THE ENEMY IS DEMORALIZING US lol

>>21035 I often are forced to as a neet male with no social life but are often derezzed for no real reason. I was just derezzed for defending China's attacking Abrahamic religion while pointing out how the Abrahamics are violently judgemental, for promoting hate. They can legally murder you in Afghanistan if you denounce Allah but China is the bad one for not letting them in? Some user kept saying 'China is doing genocide' when in reality so many types of people were killed by Abrahamics that it's just silly to complain about people not letting someone invade their nation like that. The only thing wrong with China is that they work too hard. They even derezzed ghost films and tv shows, how could someone expect them to allow Abrahamics to run around preaching? They broke the law so they end up in a gullag and that is a good thing. They cut heads off in contrast just because of belief in an angry and petty sky fairy. I've also been derezzed for pointing out that when they make fun of 'cringe males' that it's fuarrrked up that it's always some white guy and that they are doing discrimination towards them. So naturally I switched it around and said something along the lines of 'well you could make fun of them stealing bicycles and that'd be true too but it's still overbearingly discriminating and not all are like that', so I made it into a joke like the spammed humor they post, and were posting it on their /r/neet also, of which now prunes over half of it's own content, a joke about it. I don't want to use reddit. It's been dead for years and is no longer a free speech forum and the only admin that was of value committed suicide years ago after being tyrannically attacked by the cops. Also they downvote as a 'fuarrrkyou' button rather than to downvote as it was meant to be to sort out irrelevant information. Reddit is totally broken in that regard. >>21044 Desperation as a loser. We are not all schizoids and also I'd be on the abhorrent 4 to this day talking but it range bans for profits now and I have dynamic IP. Omegle is nothing but bots. Raddle and such are very dead. Where else would you go to talk? Here and wait for months? Imageboards, alternate ones, are either dead, overly moderated, or both. At least reddit has high traffic and basically all of the content you could ask for, or nearly all the subject matter of the Internet is brought up. But yes, it blatantly needs to be replaced as does any larger thing like google need to be replaced. >>21046 Until a vindictive mod gets there like they did with /r/neet that could work. Don't underestimate how bad reddit is. Also if derezzed you can't usually even post on the smaller subs unless you farm karma on the larger of which can take many months due to karma limits stopping posting. >>21047 Reddit bullies in general with pointless mass downvoting, bullying for being a loser ironically, tons of ad hominem abuse too, can't take dark jokes in our dark times, it is quite the soykafhole. >>26091 Indeed everything about society has gotten worse post circa 2007. I could write a book.

>>26527 someone felt adressed kek Ontopic evolution is not liking it. Evolution is killing the other one and the kids and then raping her til shes knocked up with your kids which is actually what happens with animals. Youre just too so1 to act natural and cope with "my life not bad I am angry".

>>26536 >someone felt adressed kek You're the one who's too stupid to copy and paste a post id correctly.

>>26503 That's a dumbass study. Cope, just like that one philosopher that wanted to have sex with his mom. It's a fetish, that reasoning applies to any fetish.

>>26543 >its a fetish thats a dumb conclusion, fetish is not a reason, its an outcome.

>>21080 based I like to go on r/tor and make soykafposts asking how I'm supposed to torrent the TOR and dark internet from piratebay

>>24579 If you're into softcore pics, try browsing r/classysexy, r/sexybutnotporn, r/eroticbutnotporn and r/newyorknine.

I think that it was better before 2016 or so. It might also be that I was just younger and didn't realise how soykaf it was. But anyway, it's just terrible these days. There are some okay niche subreddits but it's mostly not worth browsing. Like many others say, the upvote system is stupid because you only see comments and posts that have received a lot of upvotes, unless you dig deeper. The amount of cencorship is also ridiculous these days, it wasn't like this in it's early days.

>>21044 This. Reddit is garbage.

Reddit is so large I use it when I need a question answered usually by adding the Reddit to the Google search, or I ask on Reddit. but I don't use often, because internet is like kicking dead whales down the beach and I hate computers.

>>21035 >do you guys use reddit? i personally do not other than for pornography. >discuss its pros and cons pros: mainstream has something to divert its attention, cons: most users are unbelievably hostile and frenetic in an aggressive since when presented with a different view point. this isnt exclusive to reddit, mind you, but since it is a mainstream site, youll see it more often then not. youll see the same problem in the vast majority of 4chan as it is also a relatively mainstream site now.

Reddit is unironically decent SO LONG AS YOU FIND GOOD SUBREDDITS. I will make this clear: the front page, almost all big subreddits, and 90% of comment sections are absolute repulsive garbage. I would distance myself as far away from those as possible. Most political subreddits are just normified leftypol insider trade garbage. Smaller gaming and game related subreddits are good for discussion about a game albeit usually flooded with new users due to the nature of reddit. However, you can sometimes have genuinely good discussion if you look for it enough. Remember: reddit is inherently designed for lurking, and that is what most people do. reddit is inherently designed for newfaggery since gatekeeping is "bad" or some bullshit. This is why you need to get niche. The cutoff is usually around 100k followers of a subreddit before it goes to soykaf. But reddit has so much content that it's hard not to use. as some lainanons mentioned before me, programming help and niche questions are usually supported much better than anywhere else. the one place the upvote system is good is sorting out quality dumps, for example image "dumps" for art or porn, you can find quality easier much more simply. that's a good and a bad thing since that's sure to fuarrrk with your seratonin and whatnot though

>>28409 Even most smaller subreddits will have inherent issues caused by the vote system. They ''always'' become echo chambers over time. All good subreddits become bad subreddits within a few years at most.

>>28410 where on the internet will you find somewhere that doesn't eventually become an echo chamber though? while reddit's system is albeit flawed, I simply avoid topics that have a habit of becoming these echo chambers, like anything politics related

>>28412 Eh, image boards and classic forums are ok. No one can censor there outside of mods for better or worse. The only issue I have is that 4chan got it's association with being a place for absolute dicks, which started as a joke and then started to bring actually terrible people to it. And this seem to have stayed with image boards since they are kinda seen as places for people no other place wants. And that frequently is because these people just are obnoxious. If because of that image boards didn't just capture nerds or full out conspiracy tards I wouldn't complain.

i tried making an account and got instantly perma-derezzed for writing "disinformation", though my comment was objectively true. Horrendous website >>28409 how do you find such subreddits? People always say there are some good subs but dont say what they are, so it sounds like a myth

>>28413 mods still censor some people, but that's a lot rarer I'm mainly talking about how you will get piled on for having a faulty opinion or expression, which are very common, think how easy bait posts are to make. And imageboards are notorious for having autists, so you have to go niche before things get good. Not to say I don't browse 4chin, it has decent content, but something like /p0l/ makes me want to vomit every time I see it >>28414 They're kind of a pain to find most of the time. What I usually do is a google search with a topic and then reddit, for example "stellaris subreddit" if I wanted to look for a subreddit about a game I play. You can do the same thing with topics, maybe woodworking or something like that, but the better ones I find are usually through word of mouth. Those are my favorite because their names make little sense without context, making it much harder to find

>>28414 Im ignorant of the current state but years ago when i was active i got invited to private subreddits due to my posts discussing topics relevant to them. Obviously much slower due to few people inside the secret club but rather high quality since the owner carefully selected invitations. Probably could do it yourself if inclined and still possible. There were also some niche peculiar subreddits that are public with good post quality because the topic was outside norm1e range. One example being a subrreddit on machine learning run by a prof. working at some us university for students.

>>21035 >Do you guys use Reddit? Not if I have a better option. Between: >the awful interface (light by default, wastes a bunch of space, [presentation, default sort order, and recommended posts] built around bias) >likely censored content (mods constantly on a power trip, shadowbanning, users afraid to post their opinions and users trying to "correct" the opinions of posters they disagree with) >user accounts in general (I don't care how long you've been posting, how many posts you've made, or if you're a mod), and >contribution to the centralization of content (I can't use wikis nowadays without seeing the same horrible wikimedia template everywhere, reddit is like the discussion version of this) One thing I will grant Reddit is that, for topics where you have some reason that you don't want to see any offtopic posts, it's very good at strong-arming its users into being hyper topic-centric. Usually I like everything open, but not in every single case. The biggest standout here is... porn. I want to see images of hot women. I do NOT want to see a bunch of categories that disgust me off to the side, or users with their penis as their profile picture. I do NOT want to go to your main video/gallery page, and, as I'm typing into the search bar, see in the corner of my eye yet another video about incest or interracial sex. I used to not care if I happened to see thumbnails of an old guy in drag or a white woman with a black guy. It's spammed so much everywhere that at this point I cannot believe enough people are interested enough in this content to propagate it to this degree and there is likely some agenda behind it. Reddit, for all its faults, seems to be a site that many women are for some reason comfortable posting nude pictures of themselves on, and these subreddits are entirely composed of fairly well curated (albeit clumsy to browse) similar posts. However, porn is the junk food of the internet and there's so much of it everywhere that if every single 18+ post vanished from Reddit tommorrow, I would not care in the slightest. >>28414 Generally speaking, the people I know who complain about being censored on forums kind of deserve it. Though, the mods are always as petty and obnoxious as the people they're trying to control.

I just lurk the popular ones now, never got the appeal of the slower ones they always look so dead. I guess it's just the format that is suited to give you a daily dose of new content.

>>21035 i try to avoid it if i can.

>>21035 Reddit is like boards for normal people. But it is usefull in some ways like guiding/checking news of unpopular games. But i try to not visiting it.

Reddit is the MSNBC of social media. Some niche subs are somewhat useful but their system and culture is necrotic. It is enemy territory to anybody who may be reading this, whether they realize this yet or not.