Not an "academic" but want to get published. Anybody have ideas?

My Dilemma: I'm a computer security person. I do research. I get into conferences in the industry. However, since I'm not an academic I don't have any clear routes to get legitimately published in journals. Anyone have any tips to hack that system? How does someone without academic cred get published?

If you have to ask this, you're not worth getting published.

>>17192 You could help instead of condescending me.

>>17192 Just because not everyone goes down the same predetermined career path doesn't mean they aren't valuable to their field. >>17191 Can't help you but an interesting question. Have you got a phd?

>>17193 Sorry for being so rude. But you have to ask yourself: If you're a researcher, but can't research a way to get published anywhere, are you really worth getting published? Anyway: Try getting in contact with someone worth something at a uni. Sweet-talk them. Work your way up from there. Worked for me without even being aware of what I was doing.

>>17195 Perhaps I should be more specific. As I am an industry professional, I don't have good insider knowledge of the actual requirements from journals. I know stated requirements, but in my experience it looks like you need actual collaboration from someone who is officially in the field i.e a professor/post-doc/PHD of some description. If you don't want to take advantage of a university connection, or don't have one, then what do you do? Keep in mind, I am long divorced from the university system, and I live in an area where the good Unis are mostly elite/ivy league places where an industry person like myself wont get much love just begging cred from a professor or what have you. I mean, I didn't have much luck getting those people to respond to e-mails when I was *in* grad school. Not sure things would be much different today.

Research journals first. Figure out what ones align with your subject field. Make sure your paper is rigorous and well cited. Submit and cross your fingers. If declined, publish in github or something for everybody to see.

>>17196 The other guy in the thread here, if you go to conferences and stuff surely you rub shoulders with those in academic positions? Could you give a talk about your studies or something, or contact someone with similar interests to collaborate or something? It's worth a go, I certainly know some academics who would reply to my emails, then again my field of interest is fairly small and passionate.

>>17198 Security conferences don't generally have a lot of traditional academics. There's a big industry/academic divide in that sense. There *are* academic security conferences, but it's a totally different set of people entirely. I'm generalizing here, but the majority of people at "industry" conferences are in exactly the same position as me. with regards to publishing on github... yeah I don't know the entire point is getting some recognition from working with a recognized journal. Not having published articles etc... has held me back from some research grants and that kind of thing. That's why I care to make it happen.

>>17199 I've only been to a few conferences in my field, and I've been quite lucky that the academic/industry overlap is very large. Why not go to academic conferences? Networking with these people seems like it would be great for advancing your career, basically every academic I've met has been interested somewhat in talking about their field.

>>17196 >an industry person like myself wont get much love just begging cred from a professor or what have you. I don't think anyone will get much love from such an approach. >>17199 >with regards to publishing on github... yeah I don't know the entire point is getting some recognition from working with a recognized journal. You can't really go from zero to hero like that. In this case, something will always look better than nothing at all. Given your circumstances and my little experience, I'm afraid I can't really give you any more advice. However >>17200 seems to be on the right track.

is there a particular reason why you want to publish in a computer science journal? are you trying to move towards an academic career? you may want to see if your employer will fund graduate school for you, or just find a school that will fund your degree with a teaching/research assistant position. in the grand scheme of things a couple years for a master's degree isn't a long time and if your goal is to work in academics then it'll more than likely be quicker than trying to find a back door in. if your goal isn't to work in academics than may i ask why you want to publish in academic journals? if you're already getting into conferences then it seems like your work would certainly be appropriate for industry magazines and whatnot. you could also go a less conventional route and self-publish on your own website, github, medium, arxiv, etc. and then share it around on social media.

>>17202 As I said above I have been denied research opportunities due to lack of formal experience credentials. Without getting too specific some of the institutions that pay for security oriented research wont give you a chance without a PHD or a compensating volume of formally published work. That's why I care. That's why I said what I said about github. Such funding organizations really only care about journals they recognize in terms of "work that proves you an expert in the field." It doesn't matter if say, my employer tells them I am a subject matter expert or whatever, there has to be something that can formally justify me as an expert.

submit your paper to a journal.

>>17191 >Not an "academic" but want to get published. Why? >However, since I'm not an academic I don't have any clear routes to get legitimately published in journals. Why do you think this matters? As long as your paper is good it doesn't matter. Just submit your paper. >>17192 might be right.

>>17205 > Why? I've explained in clear words twice in this thread. Check >>17203 >>17205 I have had friends in the pre-publishing side of things who have implied to me it's very hard to get published without those bona fides. Just as an example, a reputable penetration testing company I used to work for had their work tied up in pre-publishing hell for nearly a year without someone with a PHD to vouch for them. Essentially, nobody would bother to read their paper until someone the publishers knew/had the correct credentials was involved. >might be right. Have you ever done what I'm doing? This is much easier with academic connections by every measure I am looking at.

>>17206 if you post it on arxiv while also submitting it to be published, and it's good, people will read it. Hopefully that will lend it more credibility to the reviewers. also make sure you pick a good journal. I would go for one that isn't very "prestigious".

>>17207 Thank you! that advice does help.

>>17192 Hey, when did grandpa style old gatekeeping get on internet? Darn I wish we still had the 2007 old internet of "everything is possible" positivity instead of just adding same ol same ol beat down of human spirit

1. Get contact with journal. 2. State you have paper on X and ask if they are interested in publication 3. If they are not - what is the reason and can you do something to change that decision Without actually contacting journal you would hardly achieve anything. Also there are different grades of such journals with different requirements, sometimes you have to pay to be published, sometimes they pay you. Depends on journal and country.

Have you tried submitting a paper to a journal?