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Lain. I envy people with money, even if they don't have enough intelligence. Why even having high IQ and great career people must work almost all day for cheap salary while customer gets three times more money for their work? Where is the fair? I know, it satisfies the interests of the majority and every moneyslave feels him happy everytime when gets poor salary, which will be spent next day on yet another car/clothes/macpook/etc. But how can I start my own project if I must work hard almost all time for poor salary? In the place where I live even classified IT specialist gets about $1000-1500 each month. Everything I can is save money to get to another city to get more and then again save money to make my ideas IRL. I know, maybe I am so lazy and it requires a lot of work, but what if I have great ideas and I need money for them? I don't want work for somebody who gets three times more money for my work. I am going to read more about Elon Musk / Steve Jobs / Bill Gates career, their history of success. Can anybody give me advice of any kind? inb4: take credit [spoiler]this does not work in the place where I live[/spoiler]

Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates had money and connections through their families and their schooling. Their situation is too different from yours to get anything out of studying them. One thing you should note if you look into them though, none of them actually made everything happen themselves. My advice would be try to focus less on the money, and more on who you're around. Try to get into an environment where the people around you work on their passion projects, and you'll find your own motivation will increase by a lot. Join a hacker- or makerspace, find a job where your coworkers are skilled. Just having someone to bounce ideas off, and maybe collaborate with and learn from is worth more than you could pay for. If at some point one of your ideas become viable, you'll want as much support around you as possible. In general I think Lainon puts too much stock in the genius loner persona. Lain is a god, we're not. We need all the help we can get. And if you put yourself out there, you'll find, everyone else is just as retarded as you.

welcome to capitalism, my friend. Sure, if you're very smart, talented, lucky, and just a little bit of a sociopath you might make a million or even a billion dollars, but what's the likelihood of that, without le inherited wealth headstart? Don't read about steve jobs, read soykaf like this, it may be not extremely useful at the moment, but at least you can break through the veil of maya.

I envy everyone who doesn't feel like a soykaf all the time and has money, even homeless heroin addicts and drug dealers living at the ghettos.

in what kind of country do you live, lain?

>>17129 The country where we have about 1.5 modern cities and about 99% territory with african civilization.

>>17124 I used to think like this, I have read A LOT about Steve Jobs and Musk, I mean Steve's biography was an interesting read on how the company was run but he was nothing but an extremely lucky dude. He happened to meet some geniuses and market it in a certain way, he was pretty much a smelly hippy all this aside, wouldn't wear shoes or bathe, would live on a diet of apples for months at a time etc, society tells you these kooky things are 'markers of success' or whatever but at the end of the day he was an uneducated perfectionist who was at the right place at the right time. He certainly wasn't spending all his time on image boards however... Musk is even less remarkable, his white family owned rare mineral mines in South Africa, tells you what you need to know. >>17126 >>17125 These guys are exactly right too. At the end of the day this exists because of capitalism, instead of making it so that most artists can make a decent living, Kanye West must earn billions while other starve. >>17128 This is a little bit more retarded considering these companies where about before the CIA could have realised how prevalent these devices would become. It's simple, you take some passionate people (mathematicians making computers, physicists making rockets), exploit them for their labour by getting them to do what they would have done anyway, then you're suddenly a billionaire. Liberal media loves elevating these people to a god like status, don't fall for it, you're not lazy, and you aren't 'one good idea' away from being a millionaire.

>>17132 >Musk is even less remarkable, his white family owned rare mineral mines in South Africa, tells you what you need to know. Well, there's also the fact that he earned himself a spot in a high-energy physics PhD program in the US. Dude's not dumb. But hey, if the reddit-hivemind "Musk man bad" attitude helps you sleep at night, go nuts. I'll be over here enjoying watching the first real revolution in spaceflight in half a century.

>>17135 I've read his biography I'm not on any hive mind, I also used to think he was an impressive individual too, if you care to read my post. You merely parrot the reddit-hivemind "musk man good", both skin deep opinions are held by reddit kids without a real consideration for the full picture. Do you know what you need to get a PhD? What's your point, that he's not dumb? Loads of people have. PhDs, they aren't billionaires, or. even close to millionaires. It's very easy to spend all your time studying physics if you have rich parents, as the OP states, if you are poor and are tied to working a lot to earn a small wage you have little time or energy to do other things. Stop parroting this liberal "rich man is god" garbage. > my only concern is flying about in space When you're not a teenager hopefully you don't have to slave away to survive, but if you do you will lose this being your greatest concern and realise how much damage Musk does to the world and to his employees

>>17137 most PhDs i know, while not starving, are mostly getting by like your run of the mill professional would.

>>17138 They got the PhDs BECAUSE they are not individuals who lead particularly troubled lives where they've had to struggle much. It's very hard to focus on studies if you are anxious about whether or not you'll be able to pay next months rent. The other point is that it makes no sense to suck Musk's dick indiscriminately just because he got a PhD, many people have one and manage not be as much of a cringe fest as Musk.

>>17139 yeah, I mean, they're not billionaires, or even remotely well off. the two things don't correlate, of course you have to be somewhat good at your studies. On the other end, emerald mines...

>>17140 What is your point? Musk isn't remarkable in this aspect, he dropped out of his PhD program (which is fine, it wasn't for him), it shouldn't be used as a way to show his brilliance however. Yeah I'm not making a statement about the wealth of PhD holders, by the time they get their degrees they will be able to make a good living and have pleasant careers, however this is a luxury not many people have access to, like OP (not in my country anyway). This is a problem of capitalism and the way it benefits those already wealthy, in the same way (but to a less degree) as it does to individuals who own emerald mines.

>>17124 I don't know much about this sort of thing from personal experience, but here's my theoretical perspective. The money you accumulate in a given period of time can be expressed most generally as a simple formula: income - expenses. If you can't increase income, you reduce expenses. Can you simplify your lifestyle any more than you've already done? For your purposes, owning a mud hut may be better than renting an apartment or whatever (I don't know your circumstances). Also, keep in mind that time may actually be the more valuable resource in your position, so don't think that you necessarily have to give all your time in exchange for money in the usual waging fashion. If you have enough money for certain startup costs, you can give less time to "the man." Here's another thing: when you have money, you usually let some of it slip away. You don't feel like you have to make sure you're getting value for every single dollar. It's less "I pay you 5 dollars and you give me 5 dollars of value" and more "I pay you what you're asking and you do what I need." If you can provide a service to wealthy persons who are in a pinch, you can profit off of the difference between what you're asking (that they'll pay because they need to) and the "actual" value of what you're doing. As an example of some of these ideas, I read a blog post recently about a guy who bought farm land about two hours' drive away from a major city (cheaper because of this), built a relatively inexpensive structure to live in, and gardened, raised chickens, etc., to supplement his food supply. He made a website advertising a dog boarding service to "local" city dwellers, and once a week or so, he'd make the long drive into the city, pick up dogs, and take them back home. He charged an inflated rate, but the owners were happy to pay it because dog boarding is often something you need due to a sudden development (family emergency or whatever) and they didn't want their dogs crowded into one of the businesses in the city. Now that's an arrangement that prioritizes free time, but if you were running three or four such rackets at a time...who knows? Anyway, I don't know if this "advice" is feasible for you, especially since your country sounds like a difficult place in which to try to improve one's situation, but hopefully there's something useful here. That's all I have for now.

>>17141 My point is ( poster before me is not who you replied to) that PhDs (and even then, it varies depending on the field) while obviosuly correlable to not living in poverty, don't really mean anyone is a genious. It's a career path like many others, all it takes is having the possibility (and the time!) of becoming really good at one thing, which somebody that doesn't have to worry about, say, being able to pay rent, either through inherited wealth or good social support, is able to do. I'm not saying anyone anyone, but most people can find a thing they're really good at, if they have the possibility. Again, the pdf i posted earlier talks about this amongst other things

I gave up on trying to earn big money, when there was a chance to do so I was as they say "living to work" and hating it anyway. Can't say it's a lot better now but I can care a lot less about it and that's a blessing, now the only regret is not making good use of the free time I get after not caring

>>17130 Save $5000 US and the fuarrrk out of south africa, lain

>>17139 >>17141 Most grad students have teaching appointments or grants, and can reasonably expect to pay the bills with that money until they graduate. Capitalist universities accept and fund grad students because they can teach, do research, and grow the prestige of the university. If the university accepts a student and that student doesn't graduate due to food/housing insecurity, they have wasted all the money that was invested in that student, because they will not go on to grow the university's prestige, and having a high drop-out rate looks *really really bad*. It is only an incompetent university, capitalist or otherwise, that allows grad students to fail because they are not wealthy. I'm not saying that grad school isn't gatekept to only allow people with already existing wealth in, it is, but that gatekeeping happens mostly at the undergraduate level, which is required for grad school. Also, most people who get PhD's end up making less money overall, because they either go into academia(where you generally don't get a stable, decent income until you're at least 35, if ever) or have to start 5+ years later than everyone else in their cohort.

You're playing their game, you're gonna lose. Find a way to leave employment behind, I did it. I've never been happier.

>>17806 You mean becoming a NEET and living off the state/parents or something else?

>>17124 >Why even having high IQ and great career people must work almost all day for cheap salary while customer gets three times more money for their work? Where is the fair? OP, have you ever considered changing your tactics for playing this game of life? What's stopping you, as someone with a high IQ presumably, from starting your own company instead? >But how can I start my own project if I must work hard almost all time for poor salary? Are you aware of something called "Financial Independence"? It's intended precisely for people like you, OP. People that want to work but don't want to do the work necessary to work for a living. The idea behind Financial Independence is that you actually don't have to work for a living. If your needs are low enough, you can actually just work for a while and then simply live off of your savings for the rest of your life. If you're not someone who typically spends a lot and wants to spend their time on projects, this should be great for you. This is especially true if you don't intend to have a family. This will set your needs even lower. There are a lot of articles and YouTube videos on the topic so feel free to look around. >but what if I have great ideas and I need money for them? I don't want work for somebody who gets three times more money for my work. You seem to be implying that when somebody gets thrice as much money for your work, you are somehow "robbed" of what "could have" been your money. This is not how the system works. The only thing you can do is make a company where you are the CEO making thrice as much money off of other people's work. You're not being "robbed" of any "potential" money. You're getting what you should and that's that. Like I said, the only way to change this is to be the CEO yourself. Anyway, yeah, you can do research into entrepeneuring if you want to. I'd like to recommend a YouTube Channel to you on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/user/EntrepreneursInCars But yeah, do you know how much money you need for the projects you want to do? Do you even know what you want to work on? It sounds like you want to be rich in the hope that you have enough money for any project you dream of, in which case, you probably do want to set your eyes on becoming a millionaire somehow then (most likely through becoming an entrepeneur). But yeah, if it's just little projects, the spare money you saved up from pursuing financial independence should be enough.