Covid19 is not harmful for hot countires at all?

Really, when I heard Covid19 got Africa (Nigeria), I thought it can be fatal for the Africa continent. But now, I see that Covid19 spreading in hot climates very very slow. Does it mean that Covid19 has very bad support for hot envs or it's problems with diagnostic tests? Sorry for yet another corona related thread.

testing isn't good in western countries and it is far FAR worse in third world or second world countries that is the only reason why they're not "high spreaders" because nobody knows the strength of spread in those countries, lets even ignore the asymptomatic spreaders and how most will have mild or moderate symptoms

>>16826 Africans have higher genetical diversity - they have more types of MHC proteins making their immunity (at the scale of population) better and virus has hard times spreading there. But you don't really know why. Did you try looking for related papers?

>>16829 I would need a citation for that. But even then, why do Africans in USA die more and are infected more commonly than whites in USA?

>>16826 Australia is hot and isn't doing so well. The southern hemisphere is generally speaking less developed, meaning that on the one hand testing is less accessible (Rwanda, a country in the lower middle for GDP in Africa, had at one point 90 test kits and the test has to be administered multiple times per person to be reasonably certain it is accurate), people are more likely to go to witchdoctors instead of doctor-doctors, and, as the only positive, much of the population is more spread out with less access to quick methods of transportation. We'll see how this plays out, but you can't really follow the African spread in real-time as you can with first world countries. >>16830 Africans in the US are poorer than whites, and the poorer the people, the closer they're packed together. Africans also tend to live more in inner cities than whites, meaning more apartment dwellers instead of detached houses. As for dying more, people with pre-existing morbidities die at a higher rate and Africans have higher rates of obesity, which also leads to heart problems/the beetus. There's also complaints about ghettos being food deserts where the only accessible food source are fast food restaurants, and the lack of vitamins this produces can't be helping the immune system.

>>16831 >Africans in the US are poorer than whites >>and the poorer the people, the closer they're packed together Which is why Africans being more genetically diverse and more genetically predetermined for immunity argument makes no sense. That was my argument from point blank. White people are also poor, and even though they're not proportionally poor (in terms to statistics of their demographics) there is enough white people that it makes up the difference. Essentially what I am trying to say is that even though most of black population is poor and packed together that there is more of white poor people because there is more white people all together and therefore more white poor people. >people with pre-existing morbidities die at a higher rate and Africans have higher rates of obesity Again, more whites overall have obesity even though blacks have it at a higher RATE. Key different word is that we are looking at stats differently.

>>16829 Cough-cough... Ebola... Cough-cough...

Covid disproportionately kills african-americans & black people, which makes sense since it targets ACE2 (from the words of state practitioners); https://www.propublica.org/article/early-data-shows-african-americans-have-contracted-and-died-of-coronavirus-at-an-alarming-rate

>>16837 Nope, Africans have lower expression of ACE2 in their lungs

>>16826 Holy fuken soykaf! The reason most countries have "low cases" is because testing is spotty/nonexistant. IIRC Zimbabwe and S.A. already have a large number of infected. the middle east (where tested) also has a large number of infected. Most flights were not stopped to these places, and it is likely that there is absolutely no health tracking of infected persons in many cases. The genetic "immunity/resistance" is a trivial matter in most cases, but as far as the complaints about 'merican blacks dying at higher rates: >Smoking weakens lungs and immune system (this is prevalent among low income people in general) >Many blacks (*especially in hot zone states) are usually living in cramped urban developments and socialized housing >Many blacks work in blue collar jobs, vice more educated whites who can telework or do office work (usually cleaner) >Cultural norms concerning viruses and hygiene and protective social interaction are generally poor among American blacks (hence the large outbreaks of HIV/AIDS) They are unironically doing this to themselves. I would like to learn more about what is happening on the ground in India, since population density + fuarrrked up healthcare system might make it even worse then China (they had people escaping from medical treatment while quarantined)

It's a coronavirus which places it same category as the common cold which is seasonal. As the weather warms up new cases should drop. >>16830 Most of them live on the East coast where most cases are. Also socioeconomic divide likely has an influence because they can not afford doctors. Doctors also had been shown to overlook black people's concerns of symptoms more. Black people also are more avoidant on wearing masks because they are concerned they will be mistaken as criminals. There also was some misinformation going on where some black people were telling black people they can't get the virus. >>16839 Black people in the US are at higher risk of hypertension. Being on an ACE inhibitor increases ACE2 receptors. They also disproportionately smoke cigarettes just slightly more than whites. Smoking also increases ACE2.

>>16842 Used to believe that too but it seems not https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/health/coronavirus-summer-weather.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Health

Nigerians did an incredible job containing Ebola outbreak back in 2014. They'll handle Covid19 just as well.

So coronavirus isn't causing the massive amounts of deaths all the chicken little's on here claimed it was going to cause. I remember someone screeching "MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WILL DIE CHOCKING ON THEIR OWN BLOOD!" In my state they're trying to get the lockdown lifted before may. Stop freaking out over this nonsense.

>>16851 it's the big psyop of 2020, people won't stop going crazy. media will continue pushing fear mongering someone told me they have mass graves in new york. -_-

>>16853 There are mass graves in NY...This is the exception not the norm at least in USA. Crematoriums might be more prevalent in other countries. It is not a psyop, but people are certainly taking advantage of it and exploiting coverage just like 9/11. The media loves a good boogeyman after all.

>>16851 Think the number is close to 20000 already, I guess as long as it is not you is not relevant

>>16853 The elites and controllers wouldn't stop the whole world economy for nothing. They can get their way easier little by little through course of 3 generations easier than with one mass pandemic.

>>16851 Wait for second wave in October/November. Spanish flu in 1918 was the second wave. Second wave of SARS-CoV-2 is gonna be more impactful. They're trying to get lockdown lifted because they know they can't do anything to stop it, hell even lockdowns were marginally effective to slow down the spread which is why discussion was shifted from "let's stop this disease" to "let's flatten the curve". They know most people will get infected, but they don't want to cause mayhem on the streets and riots because of government negligence. So what's there to do? Act like you did something with few weeks of complete lockdown so people beg you to reopen some things. Same thing happening in UK. People were pissed at government for not doing anything and going with "herd immunity" dumb idea. Now, the only conspiracy I am more inclined to believe is that Boris Johnson is actually faking his COVID-19 to not look so guilty for mass infections in his country.

>>16859 I think that "let's stop the disease" was never seriously in discussion, because by the time normal people heard about it there were already hundreds of confirmed cases, and the college kids weren't willing to stop for spring break.

Anyone else hopes that millions will die?

>>17037 It seems likely that it will, not directly but by overflowing hospitals with critical patients, there are already many hospitals working at 100% capacity.

>>17037 it's already happening

The numbers are probably artificially low due to a lack of testing. Africans also often don't have the funds to travel, whether that be internationally or domestically .

>>16826 well maybe its because most countries in africa aren't as popular with tourists (particularly the chinese ones). prove me wrong but that's just another guess

My guess is that since Africa has an absurdly high base mortality, the little bit Corona adds completely disappears.

>>17037 No, because I'm not a sociopath. What I want to see is people worldwide taking medical advice seriously, a cautious and slow return to regular life, and a permanent shift in personal hygiene and social practices that minimizes the spread of any future diseases. Careful handwashing, no more handshakes or other casual contact-greetings, HVAC systems standardized for sterilization of airborne contagions, the permanent death of the cruise ship industry, etc.

>>17088 > no more handshakes or other casual contact-greetings > permanent I was already feeling a deep lack of physical contact even before quarantine. The thought of having to look forward to a future where hugs and handshakes are restricted might just be the final straw for me. So the cost of having an integrated global economy is that we have to give up as basic a human necessity as this?

>>17089 life would actually not be worth living if all forms of personal contact and all forms of gathering became permanently restricted. I don't give a soykaf if some asshole wants to shake my hand though.

>>17089 >>17090 I think the key word in my post was "casual". Close contact with very close friends and family should survive just fine, as it should. But the days of shaking hands with random strangers with unknown medical histories are over. And frankly, good riddance to handshakes. I deal with too many old guys in my day job whose only skillset seems to be a firm handshake. I'm going to do my part even after other physical distancing measures are lifted in the coming year. A year ago, refusing a handshake in my job would have painted me as a psychotic germophobe in the eyes of my bosses and business acquaintances - a nutcase with no grasp of reality. Now, it'll just make me look prudent and responsible. I'm going to enjoy that change.

>>17089 Personally, I like the idea. Too often have I been assaulted by some touchy chick in a project group and expected to smile about it, too often has some sixty year old aunt at a family gathering decided to slobber all over my face. I hope we shift over to the bow like the Japanese. Much more graceful, dignified and there's no physical contact with people you don't want physical contact with.

>>17104 >I hope we shift over to the bow like the Japanese. Much more graceful, dignified and there's no physical contact with people you don't want physical contact with. Agreed 100%. I'm already starting to see that slight-bow-head-nod thing in my workplace organically replacing handshakes. It's hygienic, respectful, and familiar even among people who don't come from cultures where bowing is traditional (due to mass media).

>>17088 >permanent death of the cruise ship industry You made too much mistakes spelling "affordable intercontinental airplane trips"

>>17111 That's entirely possible as well. I think the days of casual cheap international travel are not going to return for several years (if ever), and those who do travel will do so for mainly business or diplomatic purposes that can't be handled on a video call. There's going to need to be pre-departure rapid testing procedures in the future, using quick mobile testing units like Spartan Bioscience and others are developing. But personally I'm 100% A-OK with casual international air travel staying shut down until the virus is under control in a year or so. There's no need to rush a re-opening for frivolous purposes like family vacations.

>>17103 >Close contact with very close friends and family should survive just fine And for those who don't have that already, how are you supposed to start when everyone is afraid of making new friends or hooking up with a stranger like people have always done?

>>17113 >testing with methods that are unreliable af its not accurate at all. You gonna fail it like people fail drug tests for eating poppy seeds. Also its been repeatedly reported not to have contact transmission. Various institutes from different countries already published studies with the report "failed to find it anywhere on surfaces in the rooms of infected patients". People are getting made paranoid for nothing.

>>17115 I doubt hookups or big house parties will survive. Good riddance to be honest. I will keep looking for a mate... even more intensely than I did before, if anything. The loneliness is getting to me in a way it never did before.

>>17116 >its not accurate at all. You gonna fail it like people fail drug tests for eating poppy seeds. Sure, that'll certainly happen. But better safe than sorry. I'd much rather see false-positive tests blocking access to my country for non-infected foreigners, than false-negative tests allowing any random infected foreigner infecting a plane full of people who are going to disperse throughout my country and potentially infect many more. Besides, entry into a country by a non-citizen is pretty much universally a privilege, not a right.

>>17113 Sadly the travel industry was too loud and this didn't come to pass. Frivilous internation travel opened right back up at the first signs of having it back under control and then the world was shocked at it causing resurgence in areas that had managed to get it under control.

>>20711 since we are reviving this thread: first european outbreak at the end of winter, subsides with the summer despite how half-assed most of the lockdown measures were. second wave starts as soon the weather drops at the end of the year. australia meanwhile has the largest outbreak during its small winter, and in the most southern city, which also subsides with the coming summer. waiting for the first politician to use the slogan "burn oil to burn covid".

>>16826 Air conditioning and heating. Most hot countries do not have a lot of AC usage, and instead rely on ventilation. This greatly reduces the chance for spreaders to spread it indoors. 3rdw countries tend to have younger populations for whom coronavirus is not a threat. Finally, some countries, like China and Vietnam have just had better quarantine and anti-spreader measures.

Also a lot of 3rd world countries have a lot less tourism and business travel, making it hard for the virus to spread through one of its main avenues. >>16831 >Australia is hot and isn't doing so well. They have a lot of central AC usage though. >>16837 Those are American statistics that don't give any evidence of Africans being more susceptible to coronavirus. Those stats reflect the fact that Africans in the USA are more likely to work essential jobs that keep going during lockdown, are less likely to have good healthcare, and are more likely to have preexisting health conditions due to living in poverty. >>16840 >>Smoking weakens lungs and immune system (this is prevalent among low income people in general) Smokers are less likely to get coronavirus. This has been shown time and time again, smoking simply makes you more immune to it and we still don't know exactly why. >>16851 >>16859 >Second wave Countries like the USA, UK, and Sweden are already having a second wave of cases, but they are not having a correlating rise in deaths. This is likely due to treatment having improved, and many of the most vulnerable people already dying. For example, these countries sent COVID cases INTO retirement homes where they spread the virus during the first wave. >>16998 The only two reasonable approaches are total containment (Vietnam, China) or doing nothing (Sweden). The inconsistent "curve flattening" halfassery of countries like UK and USA has only destroyed the economy while simultaneously continuing to allow cases to spread. If you don't live in a country capable of total containment, you should just advocate giving up on quarantines.

>>20720 >or doing nothing (Sweden) Sweden doing nothing? LMAO. What's your source on this bullshit?

>>20790 This kind of behaviour annoys me to no end, hit google guess some words, "sweden no corona measures" 4rd entry https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/ that took 5 seconds. You could have easily verified it yourself, instead of that you bitch. Modern internet culture is pure cancer.

>Does it mean that Covid19 has very bad support for hot envs or it's problems with diagnostic tests? Yes.

>>20720 >The only two reasonable approaches are total containment (Vietnam, China) or doing nothing (Sweden). The inconsistent "curve flattening" halfassery of countries like UK and USA has only destroyed the economy while simultaneously continuing to allow cases to spread. If you don't live in a country capable of total containment, you should just advocate giving up on quarantines. Sweden didn't quite "do nothing", they bulked up their medical system and released many public health guidelines that most people follow and Stockholm added some extra regulations. They just didn't do any of the extreme lockdown measures like e.g. London. It seems that small, simple things like getting people to wear masks in public and free fast testing are more important than the massive measures that nobody even follows.