4chan is no longer a net positive, 4chan is garbage, the internet is garbage

4chan is yet another medium for a long term abusive conditioning process. Imagine right now going to a board, any board, and posting about an interest you have. Maybe it's /mu/ and you want to know if anyone else is into [band] or [genre]/ Maybe it's /sci/ and it's some theory or subtopic of a broader topic. Maybe it's /g/ and it's some tech you use. Now, as you go to post take careful note of what you're actually feeling. It's either apprehension, hardening (not talking about the porn boards here), or ramping up a readiness. This is because, you know you will be attacked. You know what this place is. To this post people will tell me to go back to [other place], they'll say I'm weak and want a hugbox safespace and can't scale to any criticism, they'll say it's just a timewaster and not to take it seriously, many things in this vein will be brought forward. All of them are based on the same core assertion: The "mixed bag" is necessary, beneficial, and acceptable. Perhaps even ideal, good as gets. The way it should be. These things all show that they've been abused for so long they can no longer even see it. Bit by bit, the entire internet becomes the same haze of stupidity and bullshit, bit by bit this behavior becomes omnipresent. Eventually, this "mixed bag" will be all there is. The extreme safe space mentality of some sites, and the needlessly brutal nature of some of the chans, are actually incredibly similar underneath. Eventually they will converge to the same end point. And you will only have yourself to blame. Deprecate 4chan. Deprecate bullshit. Start holding yourself and other people to a higher standard. If you don't take yourself by the reins, someone else will. If you don't use your brain, someone else will use it for you. So too of one's neighbor. Remember that. ------ This is a copy paste of perhaps the last thread I'll bother to post on 4chan, and perhaps Lains here have already not just realized but internalized and accepted this matter. I am only now more directly connecting these things in mind, in a way which amounts to change in behavior. Years ago I said that if you spend too much time dealing with stupid fuarrrked up people, you become stupid and fuarrrked up yourself. Time to take my own advice.

What exactly is the point of this thread?

>>16404 Primarily venting my frustrations with the state of things, and personal despair over my own deficits and internal organization. Secondary, highlighting an overarching process leading to an unwanted destination. Feel free to delete. Copying a relevant reply. >Tl;dr you're too naive, humans are soykaf. I can't accept it. The long term feasibility of simply accepting that people are inescapably degenerate, braindead golem, is low. The long term consequences are great. The overarching effects are coming more clearly into view. I first came here in 2008. You're not dealing with someone who hasn't been around. On a personal level years ago I said that if you spend too much time dealing with stupid, fuarrrked up people, you will eventually start to become stupid and fuarrrked up yourself. So I'm going to take my own advice and get the hell out of here and away from this dressed up slot machine, but nonetheless it must be acknowledged, there is a bigger picture. Look at people these days, look at this soykafhole. There has always been a need for filtration, private groups and so on, not only due to needing to control the flow of information, but simply because of the disruptive and quality lowering tendencies of unrestricted participation... however, it's getting to be time. Some of the soykaf going on needs to be attenuated and brought into order somehow, and that starts with calling out and not putting up with braindead bullshit. We need to bring back real shame, self disgust, personal standards. Even if it's just a matter of reflex on the level of a Pavlovian animal.

Yes, 4chan is garbage and so is most of the userbase there, why do you think we're on lainchan after all? Bitching about the same bullshit over and over again and regurgitating same stupid memes gets boring really fast, that's why I've stopped going on that hellhole a couple of years ago. 8ch is almost exactly the same, I suppose the only higher ground 8ch had over 4chan was board creation which gives some power to the community but even with that it's the same old bullshittery.

At this point I'd be interested in talking to ANYONE who isn't a robot. The state of the 4chan botnet is basically the least of my concerns. Every board on there has basically devolved into either porn or political rhetoric.

>>16407 Yes, it's like talking to cleverbot 1.5.

This deserves its own board at this point You see it on every single smaller chan, it's like that growing out of metal meme. But the metal is 4chan You get like 1 anon per week noticing this.

To the poster above yeah I’m sure. Haven’t seen them myself as I only frequent here and 420 but I sure felt like making a similar thread. The chan days of 10+ years past never seemed this hostile, but I’d be kidding myself if there wasn’t some hardon for being edgy and hostile. The Anonymous hate machine. It was kids then and it’s kids now, except now it’s lost its charm and humor. I think that particularly makes it unbearable. I think this all reflects the state of culture as well. It’s fuked, my boys. We also got droves of bot armies now, and it’s obvious that one of the objectives is to degrade spaces of free discourse. This soykaf has been going on for at least five years, at least from personal experience. I know the day is coming that anonymity will be definitively dead, and a part of me is looking forward to it. It’ll be the kick in the ass for geeks to actually use resilient network alternatives, and Eternal September can end for a little while.

>>16410 >resilient network alternatives Despite how deeply I have come to despise everything from a radar installation to a walkie-talkie, in beginning to look into the propagation characteristics of mmWave (up to THz) point to point systems, I can begin to see an acceptable infrastructure for a new mesh based internet. The only thing better would be engineering plants to form and maintain that mesh network for us, and one would simply tap in. Power generation is another matter.... and I'm thinking it wouldn't be solar, it would something to do with the structure of water and its manipulation by biological systems, but it could use a similar principle.

>>16409 >>16410 You can blame cointelpro and russian troll farms.

I've heard that people on 4ch are mostly just grown adults mad at the fact that they spent their life on that website. Forgot where I heard this

>>16413 Good summary yes. I guess it is our version of not getting the kids anymore, instead of making swastikas in Habbo they make MS paint frogs laughing at how foreigners suffer and we find it as boring politics.

I don't know how to tell you this but 4chan is irrelevant. It's an old website used by old people with MAU at around 5% of tumblr and tumblr's not exactly a juggernaut these days. It's a dinosaur, a fossil from a bygone era with no reach and no content. Kids don't use it anymore. Creative people have moved on over a decade ago. It's a boring, toothless, thoroughly impotent internet forum with delusions of grandeur.

>troll farms I think we can do a little better than regurgitate retarded mainstream media phrases to describe the thing we've dealt with for ages. The term is "astroturfing firm".

>>16403 I don't disagree with your observations. I used 4chan about daily for years, but I realized it was making me a more stressed and hateful person. When one of those murderers posted on /b/, I just laughed at what he wrote, "Turns out it's harder to strangle someone than in the movies." I didn't realize at the time my laughter may have been coping with an uncomfortable situation. Being in such a negative environment was beginning to seep into my core being. I prefer Lainchan, where I can have real conversations. Every time I look at 4chan, it's worse than it was. >>16407 Robots entering conversations is an omnipresent threat. I'm of the opinion the goal on 4chan is to lower the people to the machines' level instead of raising the machines. Plenty of "memes" are verbatim phrases which can be flooded and targetted unintelligently. Plenty of the rest are advertisements disguised as memes, like the random pictures which just happen to feature an energy drink, or even more recently and more blantantly, a certain owner of an electric car company. I don't really have anything deep to communicate with this post. I still believe in anonymous forums, but it's clear certain things are untenable, especially as such a forum grows. I'll go to my grave remembering what I've done here and elsewhere.

>>16403 There's good content every once in a while, but it's buried under so much trash (even when using filters for every low-effort "cringe", "yikes", "c*ck" etc. posts) that is just too exhausting to dig through, so I had to give up on it.

>>16421 Took me a few moments to click that you were just talking about 4chan and not the internet as a whole.

>>16422 Well, the internet as a whole is also trash, but more due to corporate takeover and enclosure - there's just no places to go to anymore, except small communities like this one on the outskirts.

>>16423 This is so sad. I grew up from a time where forums and IRCs are a thing and where each site has its own niche thing to talk about. Real communities of people interested in similar stuff. Now it's just the same old regurgitated bullshit from facebook, twitter and every other private company pretending to be the harbingers of goodwill and benevolence in this world.

>>16425 I wasted my time arguing with morons and ultimately trying to trace what was wrong with them, and teach them how to think. I've come to realize this is trait which stems from being a "parentified" child and learning the best from of self control was reverse engineering my environment, and trying to modulating myself by modeling, predicting, preempting, coercing, and molding the genesis of certain features of this environment. This delusion of inherent futility and finally having power if I could just get there has been carried forward this whole time. I also recognized subconsciously that there was a lot wrong with the world, and it was probably infeasible to take on the power structure directly. Instead I got stuck on waking the masses and trying to get others around me to start oscillating at a higher frequency so to speak, raise the rest state. It's pretty much the same as infiltrating and subverting the enemy by sabotaging and repurpose his infrastructure, which in the modern world is us, their cattle. Although for someone who just wants to be left alone and has moral overhead which binds and prevents lying or outright manipulation, and among people who do not want education, this is of course infeasible. Anyway. Many layers. A lot of wasted time. It seems that I did what I had to, but it also feels like it's too late for me. There's just too much and not enough time.

>>16423 Corporate takeover only happened because people let it. It's not as if Big Business Facebook undercut the prices of Small Business Forums and drove them out of business. The web isn't real life, where location, availability and infrastructure dictate what products you're able to consume. You can visit any website you want so long as you know how to use a search engine or remember its URL, and a small website is cheep enough to run that running out of money isn't a massive concern. No, people went from homepages and blogs to social media because social media makes it easier to get a following. Most people want attention more than anything else, and would gladly sell their soul to get it. Anyone can leave social media and start their own Neocities site whenever they want, only using websites like facebook for work related crap. Anyone can join a forum about any subject at any time for absolutely free But they won't, because "all my friends are on [website]! There's no villains here, just a bunch of attention-whoring idiots

>>16440 >But they won't, because "all my friends are on [website]! More like "people who monetize are on [website]!"

>>16413 I've said it, right here on Lainchan in fact, but I doubt my conclusion is exactly a unique one. 4chan was once seen as a sort of holdover from the pre-www internet and a lot of the rules of engagement about anonymity and the fact that the person you are flinging poo at now might be the same person who was praising your contribution an hour ago, harkened back to those days. Also it was seen as the last bastion of free speech which means that as the citizenry of the web collectively got tired of the garbage being posted in comments sections and started censoring heavily, 4chan filled up with all the people no one else wants to talk to. Even stormfront wouldn't let you say "nigger" back then. As for the topic of bots, I can't speak to it with any authority but I know if I was testing a chatterbot or ELIZA of some kind, 4chan is definitely a place I would exploit as a free R&D playground. So I believe it. For anyone trying to build communities outside of corporate social media there is definitely a move towards invite only spaces online now. You can call that a hugbox all you want but it's become the only way to avoid a torrential Niagara Falls of piss posting, flooding everything you do.

>>17504 >invite only spaces i like this trend. it at least weakens one of the principal draws of public style social media, that being "all my friends are there". the next thing that needs to break is the friction around "choose a username? but i already have a discord account". idk why normal people get so pissy about this. they never think twice about installing some random payment app for a vending machine or adware freemium crap to do basic photo editing (not to mention the fuarrrking wasteland that is mobile gaming) but if you tell them to message you on signal its "can't you just use whatsapp?". all that aside, i think relatively small networks (whether due to deliberate architectural decisions or just simple obscurity) is the way forward. it lets you have your privacy without having to accept the dregs of society that have been run off of every other social network. you still get to avoid censorship in the sense that you'll be able to find somewhere that your position is tolerated. of course there's the echo chamber argument, but the other side of that coin is that communities can be more productive if they aren't constantly arguing over first principles. on lainchan for instance most people are broadly in agreement that privacy is important, so we can discuss and argue over the nuances of how to protect one's privacy without having every thread be derailed by "i like windows because it just works and video games". i still think there's a place for big "bastion of free speech" type websites. if i hear some crazy news story about e.g. some psycho going on a killing spree and posting the pics online, popular image boards are one of the few places where i'll reliably be able to find the raw documents. judge me all you want, depravity is fascinating. even for less extreme stuff it's just good to have a place where you can get some sense of what kinds of opinions are out there. i think this is why normal people like twitter, it's essentially their version of 4chan.

I agree that 4chan changed a lot, but I don't agree with you OP. In my opinion, the problem is the media "advertisement" that was done with 4c. You see, each time 4chan was brought up to general public, and for at least 10 years, it's been to tell awful stories people did on it. This time a serial killer posted pics on /b/, that other time people raided a trans website (idk if it happened i'm just saying it as an example). Each time the medias talked about 4ch*n, it was to tell a bad story. Maybe, at the begining, it was still somewhat neutral, but as 4chan grew more and more publicly-known, it became connoted 'badly'. The direct result of this was a massive income of new users, not regular internet new users but new users who CAME thinking 4chan was a website to be mean and raid people and share revenge porn. More and more, peaking near the 2017 US el*ctions, 4chan became a place filled with people who thought the place was just somewhere to soykaf on everything, and be mean in general. So far I think we agree on this. But then you say that "people will tell me to go back to [other place]". As I see it (I may be wrong), telling people to go back (mostly to /p*l/ or r*ddit) isn't a way to be mean at them, but it's a way to stop new users from trashing other boards. /p*l/ is (I guess because I don't go there) the most trashed board of all 4ch*n, and telling mean people to get back here is imo an attempt to prevent them from spreading their mindset all over the site. With r*ddit, it's similar, except identifying reddit space and telling people to go back there is simply against all new users, but a big part of the said new users can be those newcomers that just want to be mean on an anonymous website. That said, I think 4chan can still be saved. Not especially by telling people to go back, but by just trying to have nice and calm conversations with people. It still happens in a lot of boards, even if sometimes you have to look hard to find these places. Sorry for the weird censors btw lainchan told me "go away spammer" and idk what words are filtered.

>>17501 right, people need to stop with this fuarrrking "i'm going to become an influencer" delusion. it's roping them into the absolute worst social networks in existence with this promise that with enough hard work and bootstrap-pulling they too will be able to make money from playing minecraft. at this point it almost seems like that's the main thing keeping youtube above water. it's kind of interesting to look at all of the failed derelict youtube/twitch channels out there. they'll have full branding complete with: commissioned channel artwork, patreon link, pages on every social media site... and 14 subscribers.

>>17505 >i like this trend. Technically it sounds ideal but in practice it's a bunch of high school cliques. I wouldn't loudly broadcast myself in a Discord server of 8000 teenage users just so that the other person who had the same idea notices me and invites me to their private walled garden. The solution would have been decentralized social media alternatives but people literally only use those to distribute porn or other edgy stuff.

>>16403 go back to [other place], you're weak and want a hugbox safespace and can't scale to any criticism.

Serious people stopped discussing serious stuff on 4chan like 12 years ago. Did you not hear the news?

I miss imageboards being a big thing, not just on this site

>>16403 >This is because, you know you will be attacked. You know what this place is. If you don't want other people disagreeing with you, then why the fuarrrk do you share it a place where all user have total freedom of speech? There's no abuse here, it's what the place was meant to be. Welcome to the free part of the internet, and I know I sound like a 4chan user, but if you want a safespace, there are plenty of them and these are what is making the internet pure bullshit.

fuarrrking filters of this site, these are it's worst feature, it's so funny how all lainanons criticize other media users saying that they are being abused by the websites they are in, but in reality we are not better.

>>17531 They're fun and a good way to detect people who don't care about overall post quality and like to focus on little things that don't matter....

>>17531 The word enhancers do a great job at taking the edge off edgy posts without altering the meaning.

>>17533 >people who don't care about overall post quality and like to focus on little things that don't matter That sounds like newspeak from 1984, the idea of someone with power trying to remove the meaning of words. Who defines that these things don't matter? Who defines what's quality and what's not, and therefore, what should be filtered and what not?

4chan was never a net positive.

>>17536 >>16403 What's does "net positive" even means? Being nice with everyone?

>>17538 >What's does "net positive" even means? It's when you're in the negatives after accounting for liabilities. OP means that 4chan isn't worth the pain anymore.

>>17535 What are you trying to say? 4chan has nothing like that and most of the threads there are garbage. Other imageboards which allegedly promote free speech aren't much better either. I'd rather post on Lainchan than on any other imageboard even if it seems Orwellian to you.

>>16403 >The "mixed bag" is necessary, beneficial, and acceptable. Perhaps even ideal, good as gets. The way it should be. I agree. >These things all show that they've been abused for so long they can no longer even see it. I disagree. What I think you did is took a mental shortcut to answer the question "how can this happen", to which you answered "they are damaged people, nothing to see here, better move on". They are alright, in general, some of them do well in life and the model of their behavior is viable and deserves to stay. They really think like that, talk in massively overexaggerated insults, don't care about anything they say and go in massive spirals of flinging pure hatred at each other, having no stake in what they fight for, keeping up with 5 threads simultaneously, keeping some moderate mild discussion of something they like in some of them. Seems like they're well adapted to our digital existence, while you're holding this "non-abused" state, being adapted to deprecated lifestyle of being safe, feeling cozy and getting negatively affected by written words. People can be different and you won't like some types and their definition of what's normal, this simplistic thought framework of "abused freaks from the depths VS healthy sophisticated adults" only adds to the discord.

>>17542 I'm usually the guy who throws newspeak around and I have no idea why lainon drew that parallel.

>>17541 Problem is, OP is the only one that got hurt because of what some strangers said on the internet, it's obvious that he doesn't get the philosophy behind 4chan. Anyway, the whole concept of "net positivity" is absolutely ridiculous.

>>17546 I'm not OP, but from what I get the problem isn't that anyone got hurt but that the atmosphere got super deteriorated. Maybe you enjoy being at a place where people only throw insults at each other, I personally don't. And it's not about "muh freedom of speech", you can have freedom of speech without everyone being full retards

>>17548 It always was retarded, though I'll agree that culture and memes changed and got more political, mostly because that poltards of all sorts are too easy to troll and would fight with you forever over those imaginary non-issues they believe are important. 4chan never became worse or more like other sites, though other sites became more like 4chan, its culture is not dead, it's productive and pervasive. They say "go back to your hugbox safespace" when you get too serious and it's actually a decent advice, though sounds offensive and makes you want to fight back. Everything there wants you to fight back, that's the point. If you don't like it there - why do you go there? To feel angry, anxious and nervous?

>>17549 there are still some good things there it's like asking why would a man search in a big pile of trash to find treasures

>>17550 You don't go to a pile of trash expecting it to be a mall, though. Wear your psychological PPE, adapt to dwelling amongst trash trolls or leave the environment which is toxic for you.

>>17535 >someone with power trying to remove the meaning of words Only stupid memes are subject to language enhancers here. It literally serves to filter posters who still think there is an "imageboard culture".

>>17548 No, absolutely not, 4chan users don't get hurt because of insults on 4chan, because they know they don't mean anything coming from strangers on the internet. The total honesty atmosphere bring such joys, the fact that you can say whatever you want, even if other people don't like it. In the current times we live in, I find completely normal the abuse of this tool. OP is just a snowflake, when you learn all this 4chan can become a great communication platform, the more honest one of our current time.

>>17552 Well, certainly there's no imageboard culture here, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exists.

OP while i agree, which personally has taken me some time to do, i would like to point out that talking is often useless if nothing comes out of it, so let's keep a goal in mind! i would say that in this case, the goal would be to make the internet a better place, through tempered discussion and a healthy exchange of ideas. i myself will work towards this especially on this site, which is precious as it is one of the more intellectual and profound chans that i have seen to date. i will refrain to bait, troll, flame, spam, or post spicy opinions and will instead lurk when i have nothing interesting to say. let's all love lain.

>>17553 how much of a new user are you? 4chan wasn't this mean before, and it's because of bad media advertizement that teenagers started to come and turn it into a soykafhole. And "the fact that you can say whatever you want" doesn't mean that you have to be toxic

>"mixed bag" >The extreme safe space mentality of some sites, and the needlessly brutal nature of some of the chans, are actually incredibly similar underneath. Not similar, but exactly the same. 4chan is/was a safe space for "contrarian" views and anything that doesn't fit the standard is trashed. The "hate"wasn't random, it was still majority>>>>minority just like on what you call safe spaces.

>>17557 This wouldn't even be much of an issue if it was 4chan specific, but the truth is that the whole internet has become more or less the same when the normal people attacked and 4chan simply changed more dramatically than other places. I joined around 2013 when it was already declining but racist jokes, lewd greentexts and the other politically incorrect stuff was done just to be irreverent, it feels like there's nobody in that zone anymore. And back then I remember that 4chan culture was confined to 4chan, now it's incredibly common to join a random Discord and see meme arrows or wojaks and screencaps from 4chan, and the lingo is just global internet lingo. I feel like at this point 4chan is just where normal people go to talk about porn or act edgy because they can't do it on [mainstream social media]. The whole internet felt like a bunch of backyards where people who liked wine and beer got together and chatted, discussed brewing/making alcoholic beverages, and sometimes liked to get drunk, and all these clubs at some point were overrun by hooligans who don't give a damn about wine or beer and they just want to get wasted, and who call everyone who complains or wishes they were kicked out a poser/snob.

>>17561 yeah I kinda feel you good thing lainchan is still kinda niche even though it's slow

>>17562 My only issue with zombie 4chan is that it was large enough to cover a few niche subjects other than porn, /g/, anime or music. Most smaller boards are too small to get a good discussion/community going about these subjects so they end up looking all the same and I think they're also populated by the same posters (if they don't just die).

>>17557 What are you talking about? The terms "new user", "moral user" and many more derivations were created on the first years of the site. The essence of that imageboard has always been like this, it has just intensified. >And "the fact that you can say whatever you want" doesn't mean that you have to be toxic The thing is that your view of them as toxic is just your opinion, I personally believe that even though I don't agree whit almost anything they say (which almost half of it it isn't serious btw) they have the right to insult everything they want, including your believes and even yourself, there's no such ambient of honesty in all the whole internet, if you are really tired of the fakeness of mainstream media, then places like this will be very comfortable (unless you are very emotionally susceptible to what strangers on the internet say) It's curious to me how any twitter user wouldn't call all the other twitter users friends, but instead that's actually pretty common on soykafholes like /v/. You are outsider who judge based on your outsider view, and that's fine, actually, I would agree that you wouldn't fit in there.

>>17564 Not who you're replying to but the issue with your post is that you're implying that 4chan's freedom to soykafpost makes it genuine. Maybe years ago, but now that the site is relatively popular it's astroturfed to hell and back and it's full of people who just want to get attention and derail threads with sockpuppets. The community itself isn't mature or intelligent enough to tell these people to piss off because it's mostly normal people looking for a fight, so all you get out of this is a dumpster fire.

>>17564 once again, you can have no filters, being honest and all the 4c stuff without being mean. I'm not complaining about the lack of control over the website here, I'm complaining about the lack of control people have. Even though i'm nihilist (as defined by the anarchists, not the Nietzsche or Heidegger's nihilism), I still like to think people should maybe care a bit about others. And it shouldn't come from a powerful entity who forces them to do so. So all I can hope for is that they'll realize at some point that what they're doing is pointless. btw I know that "almost half of it it isn't serious" and it really isn't the point tbdesu. Seing someone getting insulted every 2 messages doesn't even have to be unironical to bring an overall bad atmosphere I'm willing to talk about this more btw so if you've got counterpoints don't hesitate to reply

>>17566 That's honestly a good point, and I would say it's the main problem of the platform currently, and one that can't be fixed because of how 4chan works. Sometimes it's difficult to know when someone is insulting to bring chaos to the discussion and when they are simply using this aggressive form of expression because it's the common language on the site. These are two different things. You can't do nothing about it except learning how to differentiate them and ignoring it, but not even that would fix it since someone else could fall on it. >>17567 It's curious , isn't it?, 4ch users don't bother showing modals and respect because why would they? they don't know these other people and never will, so there would be no point in being nice just for the sake of it (important point: sometimes, very rarely, people help other individuals, and when they do, you know it's because they really want to help, not because they feel any obligation to do so or because they get any cyberpoints, so when this happens, the thankfulness is also genuine), but here's what's so weird to me, if you see a very close family, you will notice that they don't have that much of a deal with insulting each other, of course it's not at the same level, but I do believe it's the same phenomenon. The fact that it's a pure honesty atmosphere makes people really say what they think, based on this, you know that everything you read from other person it's what they really though (except with certain exceptions, which would be some memes), if someone think you are acting in a stupid manner they say it, because they really think so, and if they think you are an example for others they also say it. This makes you appreciate people more I think, it's hard to explain since today it's pretty weird for friends to criticize each other. I totally understand your point tho, and I find it completely acceptable, but I personally think we are very lucky that a place like 4ch still exists in the web.

4chan has the appeal of a microwaved bowl of piss

>>16404 blogpost, I think.

>>17569 >Sometimes it's difficult to know It's not difficult to figure out that post like >What do you think about gender inequality? Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! with a random Twitter outrage post attached is always pure bait, but people are so apathetic to everything but hot button topics they'll reply to the bait anyway. It makes them feel alive. Consumerism has finally destroyed people's brains.

>>17570 this feels like a word filter :D

>>16407 If you've seen how good GPT-3 is, you'll start to doubt how many people online in general are actually human. This seems to push things toward namefagging or niche/private communities. Even before the actually good language bots like GPT came out, politically controversial threads on imageboards would get spammed into the ground with schizo-bot posts.

>>17738 >If you've seen how good GPT-3 is, you'll start to doubt how many people online in general are actually human. I'm starting to doubt if I'm human myself.

You can't expect to not have toxic behavior on a site with that many users, where everyone is anonymous and where toxicity is not moderated or derezzed at all. You can still have decent conversations on 4chan, just respond to the serious replies and ignore the soykafposts.

>>17749 >anonymous 4chan is only pseudo-anonymous

>>17739 facebook keeps banning me because they think im a bot HAVE YOU EVER RETIRED A HUMAN BY MISTAKE?

>>17739 "Human" is a wholly owned trademark of Facebook, Inc.

>>16403 >/b/ was never good

>>17749 It's like being in a city. There's a limit to the number of people that a city can hold until everything becomes soykaf for everyone.

>>17752 *anonymous for users, unless you are a tripuser, doxx yourself or have very specific post patterns.

Came across this thing. It's very old (2006), but might be of interest to you.

>>17520 >go back to [other place], you're weak and want a hugbox safespace and can't scale to any criticism. 4chan is full of indirect censorship nowadays though, posts just get drowned out by low effort soykaf posting. I have quite literally witnessed people spamming all kinds of misdirection posts to either get threads closed or to drown out posts they don't like, it could be porn, it could be wojaks, it could be pic related. I used to browse it regularly for years but now I can hardly stand to spend 5 minutes on it. It used to be maybe 15% of the posts were good, now that number is like 2%. That alone makes browsing the site a deeply demoralizing process. I've heard lots of theories as to why this happened but one I don't believe is this >>16415 it's definitely not the same people posting that were 15 or even 10 years ago.

I'm not sure whether 4chan infected the mainstream social media noosphere or the way around but it seems to me a good half of what constitutes the social internet is indistinguishable from each other, at any given moment you will see 4chan style memes on random websites, and at the same time 4chan itself is for the most part, an anonymous Twitter, the same discourse, the same trends, the same memes, the same language, the only difference being the spectrum of pre-formed thoughts being regurgitated in each community. It's all so streamlined now, you have to stay away from any semblance of mainstream internet to escape that kind of fuarrrked up lingo and mentality. I feel like bashing my head on the wall whenever I see another variation of "Chad" or "smug frog" memes or what >>17778 posted. In fact I believe those memes are pernicious and harmful for people's psychologies that probably surpasses looking at gore all day. There's really something terrible going with people.

4chan is for kids and we stopped being kids at some point. I remember not getting rage comics at all, now I don't even spare a thought for any kind of meme

4chan started out great but quickly degenerated into a soykafhole due mainly to (as someone previously mentioned) cointelpro, Russian troll farms, and now Chinese troll farms. But it's improving lately, maybe because the admins don't want to meet the same fate as Krautchan and 8chan. Today, on the science and math section of 4chan, almost half of the threads were actually math and science related, by apparently serious users to serious users, at a pretty high level. The number of schizo or pretend schizo threads has dropped. If this trend stabilizes, I might consider using it again.

The main thing that bothers me about it is that any genuinely funny or interesting content has been replaced by a mix of psy op posts from interest groups and people who are easily brainwashed. There's nothing left of what it used to be there. The other thing is that there's a constant bombardment of current events and pop culture there which I prefer to be away from. It's a lot comfier here, I would just prefer a slightly higher pace.

>>17824 What do the runes mean? I hate these people's writing system

>>16403 One thing that I like about 4chan is that no one will reply to you if they're not interested in your topic or post. If you're persistent enough you can milk something out of there.

I have completely blocked 4chan on my pc/phone and I'm feeling much better. (2 weeks~) I unblocked it today to see what they had to say on something I was interested in (Demon's Souls remake) and it was utter garbage, and I'm keeping it blocked

>>17824 >The main thing that bothers me about it is that any genuinely funny or interesting content has been replaced by a mix of psy op posts from interest groups and people who are easily brainwashed. That's what I was thinking. People don't seem to realize that 4chan is the perfect place for astroturfing whatever (boogey|straw)man that feds, corporations, journalists, and ideologues want to have. It's basically the whole strawman-sockpuppet concept on steroids, because at least on named communities, you can tell when a post is made by a fake account by looking at post history, join date, etc. Anonymous boards don't have that. Maybe they'll have IDs, but that's only per-thread and you can still use your phone for a second ID. So anyone can go and convince gullible idiots to adopt whatever flat-earth-tier ideology they want them to adopt, so they can then go "hehe look at what the People I Don't Like believe". Like that onions bullshit from a few years back. There's nothing stopping you from posting fake hatred towards yourself and using it to garner sympathy; as a bonus, said gullible idiots might start to truly hate you and send you genuine death threats, allowing you to play the victim even further. >>17827 I feel your pain. It actually says ください instead of く世さい, so it's something like "blood please, also money".

>>17832 PR People just buy old accounts for credibility because of this. Another approach is bots reposting other peoples posts to slowly accumulate a history that looks like a real person. They started pretty obvious by having bot armies repost entire threads. On another note chatbots are getting increasingly better. We are facing a looming crisis of potentially being the only person trying to chat with a bunch of bots while getting segregated from real people.

>>17828 That happens in every single social site though?

>>17828 What if they want to insult my image choice, a specific word I used, my post formatting or the tone of my writing, tho?

>>17749 What makes me feel so dejected is not that 4chan, Reddit, Facebook or Twitter are crap. I never cared for what the majority of people did, that's why I never went clubbing or watched sports, and why I lived most of my social life through the internet, then on the internet... It was so great to find other weirdos like me. I don't know how many hits people's personal websites or pages would receive, but I bet my ass it was much less than the lowest you could get on any modern social media. If you're a complete nobody in 2020 you still get thousands of views. But "engagement" is what, 0.3%? Back then, you'd be on platforms that had thousands of users yet it all felt so alive. I remember getting comments, meeting people, real people, talking to them. Maybe there was so little content that you'd have to make do, but I don't remember "settling" on anything. People would have this curiosity, this eagerness to say something. And I'm not much of an exception, I feel much duller now. Is it FOMO that made everything die? Are people so obsessed with looking at the next thing on the menu that they completely forgot to savor what they're looking at, or the things they're reading in that moment? Is it really just a matter of being on the fast lane? Because now that the Internet is the mainstream and not a niche by itself any longer, I can't seem to find that niche inside of it. And if I do find a niche it's always dead. It really feels like people themselves have changed, their attention span has shortened, and they're just so much more shallow and lacking in curiosity compared to what the average person was only 10 years ago. Sometimes I wonder if the cool kids just decided to form communities behind closed doors and I was simply left out for being part of the bad stock. It could be, since I complain a lot these days. >>17762 I think whoever wrote this wouldn't believe the state of things right now. I can't bring myself to agree with any of this, I often wish I knew who I am talking to and had more information about them, especially their age, so I could figure out if it's worth continuing the discussion. Today this would read to me as such a naïve view of the Internet ecosystem where the bad posters are only a minority. At some point, probably when Facebook came out and phones became capable of surfing, the scales were tipped and everything changed radically. Now you can't keep the bad posters out, you have to draw the good posters in. And that has to come through some form of limitation. I think anonymity is nothing but detrimental at this point. And while I get the irony in posting this rant anonymously, I also think this post is just another pile of ephemeral bytes that might have had more impact or fostered a stronger discussion if it were posted on a personal blog or somewhere more authoritative. I might've ditched it to write something better, who knows. Text boards and IRC are all that keeps me tied to the Internet at this point, and I know exactly why. IRC is a text-only conversation. If you're on IRC you are exchanging messages. You're not linking images or memes or videos or web links, the reason why people are on IRC is to type text. Same with text boards, it's a slower, text-oriented lane for the internet. Image boards are easier to contaminate, but images are still just an accessory to the conversation, there are no means to replace it. But there is hardly any activity on any of these channels, and maybe it's because people have gotten tired of hearing the same things over and over. Have lives become just that repetitive and uniform that communication is more efficiently done through image macros? >>17794 It's all very incestuous. There's a ton of cross-site pollination, and it's obvious from all the screen caps that get posted around. It isn't just 4chan, this place too is mostly made up of people reporting or reacting to things that happened on the main sites... There's just a little bit more etiquette about it. Forums really used to feel like a place of their own, and then there was the little general board where people talked about whatever or the news. I want to believe that pseudonymity would mitigate this. There has to be a need to make a conversation non-public but also identifiable. It's just too chaotic right now. >>17834 fuarrrk me, at this point I'd take a believable bot that pretends they care about my interests. The only reason I wouldn't cave in is because I know it would be drawing from a creepy botnet to feed me the answers I want to hear.

4chan and by extension, all imageboard culture is a psyop designed to condition people to become hostile, stupid, and easily controlled. It's overrun with GPT-2/GPT-3 bots who spread fascist propaganda who never get moderated. Any views that support certain political ideologies critical of power structures gets spammed to hell and back or just straight up removed by the corrupt mod structure. Lainchan is one of the exceptions because it's too small to bother with, for now.

>>17844 >every single social site Fb, insta., twitter, etc. are there for virtue signalling. Even if you are not interested in something you can always responds with likes, etc.

>>17845 Don't be a snowflake, and ignore it.

>>17856 I don't think that it's a matter of being a snowflake or not, it's just unnecessary garbage which doesn't have anything to do with topic x y or z. Stupid banter usually leads to more stupid posts.

>>17857 >unnecessary garbage which doesn't have anything to do with x y or z. Loose moderation is what makes 4chan 4chan imo. I agree that unnecessary garbage doesn't really contribute anything, but again it depends on the perception how you look at it.

>>17858 >Loose moderation is what makes 4chan 4chan imo. I found 4chan moderation inconsistent, but not loose. It could be summarized like this: >There's naked anime in /g/? I better ban the people complaining about it, since that's against the rules. >Someone posted CP again? I'll get around to it in a few hours. >Holy soykaf, a pony image has been up for five minutes! I'm ashamed it took me this long to delete.

>>17860 >>There's naked anime in /g/? I better ban the people complaining about it, since that's against the rules. This is 90% of why I left. Almost every board is completely off-topic.

>>17824 I mostly agree with this. I just want to talk about music and some other topics with a little bit of pace but the boards I frequent here are of the slower ones. I still enjoy reading through it all though as my posts get better when there's not so much to constantly keep up with. And absolutely, the pop culture and politics being essentially void of impact on here is heart-warming. Being honest I frequent on and off here but I've been really back on since the world is eating itself at the moment. >>17831 Yeah in personal experience I've done that for 90% of the site but just allow the slower boards I enjoy like /c/ or /f/ to pass the filter, and I try to refer to boards here for duplicate topics.

>>17749 You are the kind of person who thinks that toxic behavior is when other people don't respect your idea of "safe space". This is totally fine, 4chan isn't your safe space, it's meant to be a place of freedom of speech, even if that means you don't like what they say. fuarrrk off, people not agreeing with you shouldn't be a ban excuse.

>>17855 That's retarded, why would anyone answer with any kind of interaction (likes, comments, etc.) if they weren't interested, it's not automatized, people are not robots.

>>17895 Not that lainon, but I think you're wrong. This toxicity is more about getting nothing productive done. There's a difference between safespace/not agreeing with someone and using ad hominem, trolling, creating hostile atmosphere.

>>17760 >cant post using a vpn >cant post using tor If that's anonymous then I don't know what anonymous is

>>17897 >This toxicity is more about getting nothing productive done. Excuse me, but I didn't know the purpose of a imageboard was productivity. >creating hostile atmosphere Why would anyone care about what you consider uncomfortable at the moment of discussing anonymously? People caring about your feelings when debating prevents free speech and honest expression, specially when you are not talking to anyone in particular. But yeah, fallacies are something everyone should avoid, but I wouldn't call that being "toxic".

>>17888 I love when people post redundant and totally unnecessary anime girl images.

>>17899 >Excuse me, but I didn't know the purpose of a imageboard was productivity. What's the point then? There are literally thousands of websites where you can waste your time on. Wasn't the Internet created just for the purpose and brewing soykaf came after it? Even if being productive is not a purpose of imageboards, fun is. 4chan became boring and is not producing OC anymore. >Why would anyone care about what you consider uncomfortable at the moment of discussing anonymously? Not everyone is an autist or psychopath, people still have emotions. There's no point in discussion, if the other side is not arguing with good faith, uses personal attacks, etc. Here, read about examples of toxic behavior: https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/3865/30-toxic-behaviors-no-place-life/

>>17901 The purpose of an imageboard is to have fun, of course. >4chan became boring and is not producing OC anymore. The first statement is totally subjective (I particularity disagree, but that's just my opinion) and the second one is objectively false. Also, you still haven't given me a single reason why I should care about your emotions/feeling when discussing ideas, anon, I don't care about your emotions, I don't know you, you need to be mentally ill to feel anything about me. As I see it, when a person say something it's "toxic" is in reality just crying because people have different ideas and he think mods should censor them. And no, i'm not reading that.

>>17901 >4chan doesn't produce OC anymore Mhh... ok.

>>17902 >I don't care about your emotions, I don't know you, you need to be mentally ill to feel anything about me. This "mental illness" is called empathy, a feeling that allows a human being functioning in society. >As I see it, when a person say something it's "toxic" is in reality just crying because people have different ideas and he think mods should censor them. This can be a case sometimes, but that's not what I mean. There's nothing wrong with having different opinions as far as the discussion is constructive and arguments are not "lol u", "I fuarrrk your mom", etc. If people are disagreeing, discussion is not constructive, ad hominem and similar are used, then it is just a waste of time. People feel bad and waste their time - this is what I consider toxic. >>17903 Copy pasting wojacks for the 1000th time is not OC, but replicating a meme. It's far from creative and I've seen more original content on my local niche chan which is dead now.

>>17900 99% of the time on 4chan I'm literally writing a post because I want to post a cute Remilia.

>>17904 >we live in a society Excellent argument, not a meme at all, and very useful for imageboard culture too. If you feel bad and you think you are wasting your time, just leave, don't cry and ask the mods to fix a problem that's only on your head. Also, people disagreeing is not "unconstructive", if we all agreed there would be no discussion on the first place, so disagreeing it's necessary to discuss something. About the memes, replication is what makes a meme actually, these are not just wojacks copies, these are variations, mutations, just as Richard Dawkins described when he defined what a meme was. The fact that these were specially successful even outside 4chan it's enough to me to give them merit, even if they are not really that original.

>>17904 Not that lainon, but don't you think empathy is a bit useless when talking to an anonymous person?

>>17908 Another previously uninvolved poster: empathy helps you understanding people. And boy do we need more. Avg internet conversation is people being contrarian and focusing how to interpret a post to find fault to "beat" the other poster instead of trying to understand what the poster actually tried to say.

>>17907 >Also, people disagreeing is not "unconstructive", if we all agreed there would be no discussion on the first place, so disagreeing it's necessary to discuss something. I didn't say that, read my post correctly. I said arguing when arguments are soykafty and the opposite sides don't want to understand each other is not constructive (a.k.a. posting in bad faith). >About the memes, replication is what makes a meme actually, these are not just wojacks copies, these are variations, mutations, just as Richard Dawkins described when he defined what a meme was. The fact that these were specially successful even outside 4chan it's enough to me to give them merit, even if they are not really that original. Ok, I agree, yet I find them something boring, maybe it's just subjective. They're successful replicators indeed, but their simplicity makes them boring, they're somehow shallow. >>17908 >Not that lainon, but don't you think empathy is a bit useless when talking to an anonymous person? Maybe I'm just an exception here, but I can't get rid of my empathy. And no, it isn't useless - it helps understand other person's point of view.

>>17909 >>17910 Yeah, but I mean, does it really matter why does that person thinks in that particular way? When I discuss with someone anonymously, I only care about the text I have in front of my eyes, what that person wrote; the context of that is irrelevant to the discussion itself. Hypothetical situation: If a person has, for example, a trauma, that doesn't justify a logical mistake when he's arguing, so for me, it doesn't matter at all why that person thinks that way. Of course I don't behave like this on real life, but I think this improves the overall quality of a discussion; in fact, I find really annoying when other anonymous user starts assuming personal things about me to explain why I said X or Y, happened to me a while ago, and was very frustrating.

>>17912 >Yeah, but I mean, does it really matter why does that person thinks in that particular way? Umm, yes? By knowing what and why someone thinks the discussion becomes more constructive, as I can understand someone and adapt my way of leading the discussion to make it meaningful. >When I discuss with someone anonymously, I only care about the text I have in front of my eyes, what that person wrote; the context of that is irrelevant to the discussion itself. The context is important, because it is the reason of why the discussion started in the first place, the reason why it looks in that particular way. People are not just text flying on an imageboard. >Of course I don't behave like this on real life, but I think this improves the overall quality of a discussion Do not confuse emotional arguments in a discussion with empathy, it's different. >in fact, I find really annoying when other anonymous user starts assuming personal things about me to explain why I said X or Y, happened to me a while ago, and was very frustrating. Maybe if the person knew it is very frustrating and why, the discussion would be different :P

>>17913 >as I can understand someone and adapt my way of leading the discussion to make it meaningful ??? A discussion doesn't need any meaning, it's just your arguments opposed to the other person's arguments, doesn't need to have a meaning outside that to exist. >The context (...) is the reason of why the discussion started in the first place No, it is not. The discussion starts because both sides disagree in something. >People are not just text flying on an imageboard. They are exactly that, that's the point of anonymity, no person, just ideas floating. That's specially good for objectivity when arguing, you can't derail the discussion into personal attacks or assumptions (sadly users like you still it, it seems) >if the person knew it is very frustrating and why, the discussion would be different Nah, he was just an idiot, he though that if he could guess all my mental reasoning behind my arguments he would invalidate anything I said or something, yeah, it was lame to read. >:P fuarrrk off, I though you wanted a serious discussion

>>17824 >The main thing that bothers me about it is that any genuinely funny or interesting content has been replaced by a mix of psy op posts from interest groups and people who are easily brainwashed. My honest estimate is at least 1/3rd of the userbase at any time is involved in some kind of proselytizing or demoralization process. The result is almost no thread is free from the skidmark of politics or normalglitterboyry.

maybe it's the boards I generally frequent, but I still see a decent amount of discussion. the sh1tpost / post ratio is sure as fuarrrk higher than lainchan, but at least on places like /diy/ people generally stick to the topic. I've never really ventured onto /a/ or anything like that though, I'm sure it depends on the board. overall though I'll take 4chan over FANG et al. - anonymity is still (and I'd wager more of) an effective way to combat bullshit.

>>17903 >I took this thing made by someone else and added mustache to it, this is new! The attitude that destroyed culture and creativity. "Fanart", parodies and references are the same soykaf. And people are pushing for more and more liberty over existing properties so they can just reiterate forever instead of creating new things. It's just sad.

I wouldn't say people giving you soykaf is the reason it's bad, the site has just changed a lot with it's increased notoriety. More retards show up as word spreads, that's the way life is.

>>17926 I think you're looking at this wrong. The only reason you think art from the past is more original is because their inspirations have been forgotten. All culture is iterative to a degree. Also more "original" artists that actively try to push things still exist, perhaps in greater numbers than ever before. It's just that the barrier for entry to contribute to mass culture is practically non existent, so you get a bunch of people who would otherwise not be creatively involved at all contributing in minor ways, like memes and fan art. It's not like fanart is taking away from more experimental efforts. Culture is not zero-sum. Overall it's a good thing. We have a society where everyone can participate in creative dialog. Honestly I feel like in some ways we're returning to a time before mass media where individuals create simple art for their own enjoyment rather than only as a career. The impulse that drives people to draw fanart or post music on soundcloud seems similar to the impulse that drove people to sing folk tunes while they work or make scrimshaw to entertain themselves at sea.

>>17930 Sorry but this argument is bollocks, you lump influences or even derivative work with literally grabbing something someone else made and using that instead of making any effort. And please don't tell me that the quality is the same, or that this meme culture of reiterating everything 1000 times until it's completely run into the ground is not putting a hold on creativity. People just jump from trend to trend, and the trends are established by people with the biggest advertising revenue. And while this has as much to do with FOMO as with the popularity of the franchises, this is a cultural cancer in general. Any creative person would look at a thing that is inspired by it and feel moved to make something new, acting as an interpreter. I can't even imagine how much of a bugman you'd have to be to only feel like making a direct parody/tribute or other buzzword. And I'm sick that people do all this cynically because it gets them more views. People are giving up on their own identity just to be part of this soykafty Zeitgeist. It's disgusting to see this unfold.

>>17934 >you lump influences or even derivative work with literally grabbing something someone else made and using that instead of making any effort Did I? If so, that wasn't my point at all. The bit about past influences being forgotten was to counter the "art was more creative in the past" spirit of your post, not to draw a parallel with memes. In fact, I think you're the one conflating the two. You're acting as if people making memes is pushing more "creative" art to the margins, but it isn't. Essentially I'm saying that instead of thoughtlessly consuming TV or movies many people are now entertaining themselves by making and sharing memes and fanart. These aren't people that would otherwise be making important creative contributions, they are people who would otherwise be couch-locked passive consumers. I think this is a good thing for mass culture. The "real" artists (or however you want to distinguish them) still exist. They arguably exist in greater numbers than ever before.

>>17935 I think I want to chime in now... "art was more creative in the past" seems to me to be a misguided assumption that a lot of people have because of the historical pieces we see; note that only those deemed worthy still exist with much popularity. like the post >>17930 established, there is no entry barrier to art in the sense that there used to be. Even then, in the past there were failed artists and amateurs who never amounted to much, while the "masters" trained and specialized to the extent of sacrificing much of their lives to their work. With the advent of technology, the barrier of specific information regarding art has been given to the world, and people do not necessarily become well known from a limited number of sources like a specific gallery or artists guild. Think of all the artists on deviant art... Many of them placed immense effort in honing their skills, but in many ways the market for both information and art is overly saturated. As far as memes go, they have always existed in some iteration, IIRC the oldest graffiti was an Egyptian wall scribbling about putting feet on another person. Doodling and scribbling is an old creative habit, as is musical composition, the difference is to a great extent only that deemed worthy of preservation survived. African woodcarving has been around for generations, but because it is often not preserved, it does not last more than a few hundred years at most and the oldest references we have are those preserved by western museums. Stone carvings and metalwork can last for thousands of years. Imagine how much other work was done and yet lost into the ageless void of time. The internet does a good job at distributed artistic preservation, but that too is finite. As far as memes go, look at Pepe, it was a way of expressing ideas in the form of a variation of a frog, which while not requiring a large deal of skill still took creativity to create batches of "rare pepes" I think the reason that most chans have declined in content is unironically the influx of "normal people" i.e. the general public. I say this because chan culture used to have a highly specific etiquette, and similar people (to an extent) were users of that medium of socialization, with appropriate code words and made up jargon that only other "channers" understood. If you would have said 4chan or 8chan 10 or 12 years ago, many people would not have known what those were. Now pretty much everyone at least knows what those sites are. The same has happened with "gamer culture," which was the chosen activity of social outcasts and the physically unfit. Now Ecelebs and "Pro-Gamers" have become so popular that advertising and sponsorship has actually shifted away from physical sports (imagine how pro athletes must feel now that they are becoming slowly irrelevant). If you take any niche activity and introduce a large population to it, you will have all ends of the spectrum of society and art is no exception. You can still find references by famous artists ranting about their close artist circles getting ruined by "bad artists" or what could almost be described as "normal people."

>>17926 I had to laugh at the rage of someone who asked a playright for permission to perform a play centered around IIRC a northern European story but they wanted a black lead to make the story culturally inclusive, and the playright said "no" because he wanted the play to have historical relevance and not cater to someones false sense of "social justice." He basically told them to STFU and write their own play if they cared so much about political correctness instead of trying to bastardize his into a historically incorrect SJW play.

>>17903 If not for the context of the thread, I would not be able to tell if you were being ironic and sarcastic or not when you posted this image.

>>17915 not him, but >The discussion starts because both sides disagree in something. isn't that what is called an argument, not a discussion? >>17912 While I agree with the sentiment >really annoying when other anonymous user starts assuming personal things about me to explain why I said X or Y, (or, in other words, that you shouldn't worry about/trouble yourself with personal or identity-related stuff of the meatspace, which used to be the norm on the internet), I also agree with >>17913 on all the empathy talk (that is, avoiding the vapid and petty one-upmanship type of arguing where you don't see the other person as a person or even genuinely try to understand where he's figuratively coming from), but what I don't agree on, is that these two should or would be mutually exclusive things. Engage with (and only with) the arguments objectively if it's an argument, and discuss things politely and humanely if it's a discussion, would be the netiquette I'd prescribe for today's day and age, is what I wanted to type.

Yeah, OP, there's a reason why 4chan has been known as various names like the "two way asshole of the internet" for a very long time... You can go to 4chan for genuine discussions, or you can go to 4chan to soykafpost. Some boards are better for discussion than others. For example, /v/ is 99% a brewing soykaf board, if you wanna actually talk about video games, go to /vg/.

>>17963 I genuinely think it's all bots now >Thread topic: question? >edgy politically incorrect joke or something gross and fetishistic >based >actual post on the topic or anything constructive, original, etc <<< ignored completely >serious reply to fp's edgy joke / sauce for porn on blue board? >soykafflinging / porn dumping until bump limit

>>16403 I agree with you Op, 4chan these days is just garbage. People either agree or disagree with you. There is no point in posting there anymore. It became an hostile environment even more than twitter, which really says a lot. Smol and comfy image boards (like lainchan is where it's at)

>>17905 >99% of the time on 4chan I'm literally writing a post because I want to post a cute Remilia. Writing a post just to post a specific image is a very big brain move, good job lainon.

>>18789 Its a shame as I have had some superb discussions on there but they just got rarer and rarer till I just gave up. I think I agree with the people that blame phoneposters, low barrier of entry plus the device discouraging long and thought out replies just means it turns into pure soykafposts. Most of the alt chans are somehow worse to boot, this place is nice but its not focused on the same things that 4chan was. >>17963 /vg/ always had massive variance from general to general and the rise of high speed gacha generals killed a lot of the slower but higher quality generals because they would just fall off the board at night. A few generals formed conglomerate generals but the culture shock of the merge normally ruined both.

>>18792 >Its a shame as I have had some superb discussions on there but they just got rarer and rarer till I just gave up Same anon, same. I had some really long and insightful discussions a long time ago but really in the last years it became just a dumpster fire with people spamming dumb wojaks witouth a reason and people injecting politics into literally everything. It's just worthless at this point. Better stay here on comfy lainchan.

>>17930 Yes, art is iterative, but what is happening now is not iteration. Iteration is when you are inspired by something and you make a new thing that is like it but in your own words. It's not making a "tribute" or a "parody" or a "fan work" over and over. I'll make an example about this: do you have any kids in the family? I do. They cannot draw a thing that isn't in a franchise. Sonic, Mario, you name it. If you give them a sheet of paper and you tell them to draw something from their imagination instead of that, they start whining. I did draw commercial things I was exposed to as well but the ratio was 5% to 95%. And it's not my twisted memory of things, I have found a large pile of drawings from my childhood years ago, and I've seen what kind of things I drew. I also remember what I was thinking about when I drew the things and it included Turrican or whatever I just played, but I wasn't that much of a slave. There was no thought about it because of course I was a kid, it was not a deliberate choice, I just was not as obsessed. And the other kids were like that too. Now the ratio is literally reversed. Almost every single drawing is a Nintendo character or some soykaf. This is the most terrifying stuff and I'm sure this is not a single case, these kids are very normal person-educated. The average is probably even worse.

>>18798 > it became just a dumpster fire with people spamming dumb wojaks But lainchan is the exact same.

>>18826 I'ne never seen any significant amount of wojaks here. The quality of the posts is way better and people actually care about the topic they are discussing so they don't hide their opinions under lots of layers of irony.

I just found this place from /g/, and I'm not sure how you can miss how different it is. Honestly, my first impression of this place is that it reminds me of an old hobbyist forum I used to visit. They had the same enthusiasm for deep technical discussions that would derail into pedantry and dick-measuring. But they didn't spit memes at each other like 8-year olds. 4chan was done 10 years ago and it's still done, despite every other social network boosting its numbers by banning nazis, trolls, and comedy fans.

>>18846 Which forum are you talking about? I guess it's probably dead at this day and age.

>>18827 >>18846 Way too many posers who try way too hard, and too many genderweirds who low-key fetishpost while stroking their dicks. All that is slowing down this site's death is the administration. You can't straight up post pornography there's a rather hard line against low effort soykafposts, but the vast majority of discussion is the same quality as /g/, just more polite. I don't see where the in-depth discussion is.

>>18847 Some aviation forum full of crotchety old men. I don't remember which. >>18849 A substantial part of /g/ is low effort soykafposts so filtering those out goes a long way. Posts here are definitely longer on average. Maybe it's jumping the gun to say they're deeper, but it's been a long time since anything on 4chan made me want to get into long protracted discussions with anybody. Even the slow boards have a curt mindset, and there are so many people it's almost impossible to have a back-and-forth conversation without the thread getting derailed by low effort drama. Also the dark theme soothes my soul. I'm sure there's some science behind that. Stick a black background on any site and I'll like it more.

>>18852 It's such a sad thing that you can't soykafpost anymore without derailing the whole thread. I value serious posts but I also went to image boards to laugh and have a jolly good time, and up to a few years ago I knew I could say something dumb or inflammatory in a serious conversation without killing the entire thread. Now this is gone, and since I don't want to soykafpost to ruin threads I've slowly removed that side of my imageboard presence (almost). And if you do make a joke or a soykafpost that someone still gets, someone posts political bait 2 minutes after and the thread is derailed anyway. Same with any kind of dirty topic or dirty joke, you can't say anything sexual anymore. People switch to fetish mode and don't even try to imagine you've written that content to tell a joke. I hate this younger generation, they don't even act like human beings. They only seem to have a sense of humor if it's something that's supposed to be funny, they'll like Monty Python sketches from 60 years ago but if you make a joke they don't recognize they don't know what to answer. They unironically feel like bots who respond to keywords with pre-compiled reactions. Unless 90% of 4chan's posts are actually bots this is just so damn grim.

>>18852 >some forum full of crotchety old men This is what the internet has always been about to me. Lainchan really is more like an old school forum than the old /g/ in that it's used more as a text forum than an imageboard. I love coming here but I have to admit it doesn't make me laugh very often compared to old /g/.

>>17850 >4chan and by extension, all imageboard culture is a psyop designed to condition people to become hostile, stupid, and easily controlled True. >fascist propaganda Cringe.

>>16403 > This is because, you know you will be attacked. You know what this place is. 4chan was always like this. Long before the rest of the internet was as well.

This is peaceful. I like it here.

>>16403 4chan is trash but for more reasons than what you described. The problem is that it's just another social media website now, colonized by normalf.ag refugees who are only there because it's the last place on the internet which mostly let's you speak openly. Twitter kiddies brought over their self-imposed character limit and actively decry any post which isn't a 1 or 2 word catchphrase/sassy w.ojak reaction image as being an unreadable wall of text, reddit immigrants enforce their faggy etiquette/clique culture on whatever board they take over (look at places like /his/ which are totally unusable due to arbitrary thought policing killing any sincerity of opinion), and brainless facebook activists destroy every genuine discussion by accusing you of being a wage slave/demoralizer/discord tranny or whatever for not parroting their butthurt ideology. Were we living on a freer internet 10 years ago, most of these midwit pieces of garbage would be happily posting somewhere else and 4chan would still feel like a place for aloof anons who want to get away from the normalsphere net's suffocating cancer instead of being an extension of it. At this point if President Biden decides to nuke the place out of existence I'd consider it a mercy killing.

>>23316 My least favourite thing about all of this is that it leeches out onto other imageboards. You end up with alternative imageboards that once had their own community having to fight off refugees who don't quite grasp that just because its an anonymous imageboard doesn't mean it has the exact same culture. So you end up either hoping that whichever alternative you settle on has decent enough moderation to maintain the culture or you just have to keep moving to find new places. I quite like lainchan for this, the moderation does a decent job, we do get periodic influxes of blatant refugees that don't lurk but for the most part they're not that massive a problem and tech side of the site is still generally great as they don't care about much beyond culture war soykafe.

I think you can see thinks differently. When you enter 4chan, all you see are insecure people, holding to the idea of anonymity as a shield, and saying all the soykaf they don't dare say in public. What does that tell us about the society? That people are morally repressed, their ideas are being repressed, and im not talking "feminism-machism" kinda repression, or racial repression. I mean people have the whole society imposing ideas on them. And since theres no place to let it all out on the internet, they go and yell at an anonymous person on the board. I dont think the internet is garbage. I think its the best invention humans have made. What I think is a complete, nauseabondous and notorius piece of soykaf is society these days. So take 4chan as a social experiment, as a reflection of the world today, because it's nothing other than that.

>>23322 >You end up with alternative imageboards that once had their own community having to fight off refugees who don't quite grasp that just because its an anonymous imageboard doesn't mean it has the exact same culture I've said this 1000 times, not only here. It's tedious isn't it?

>>23316 >The problem is that it's just another social media website now, colonized by normalf.ag refugees who are only there because it's the last place on the internet which mostly let's you speak openly. This accurate to where it is almost like watching an episode of the Twilight Zone. I have tried to configure in my head exactly why this has been happening to the site i have been on and off of for years now. But it definitely is just another place where it has become part of the social media sphere and are fighting to impose their religions, memetics especially their politics. Putting it out of it's misery and trying to get rid of the posters on these altchans would be for the better. Especially having words and certain quality standards even if it's just to to make an attempt for better quality OC.

>>23328 >So take 4chan as a social experiment, as a reflection of the world today, because it's nothing other than that. A corrupted world that needs to be put out of it's misery. While i accept your sound reasoning, it is not valid as Introverted Robots like me use to go on these sites to get away and escape from politics, violence and bad states of the world. Although yes it had it's bad users and it's issues it never was meant to take in the people who were meth addicts on the side of a city road or the homeless crazies shouting in the street. Or those thinking that the site is based on passing knowledge or throwing their anger into the void. Over the spanning of years it becomes nothing more than a echo chamber that becomes smaller and smaller. Because nobody likes you, not even the outcasts that have left 4chon for other altchans and places like here. >>23322 >My least favourite thing about all of this is that it leeches out onto other imageboards. You end up with alternative imageboards that once had their own community having to fight off refugees who don't quite grasp that just because its an anonymous imageboard doesn't mean it has the exact same culture. Tell me about it. It's like a cancer that spreads because there is no real systems to try and fight it. If all chans could somehow adopt a filter standard for images like they did with certain words it would be better in the long haul especially getting rid of certain boring automated words. Without this it will be the same situation unless we adapt and evolve while informing posters that they must have better standards otherwise they can not come here or these places.

>>23341 Lets do what other anons were suggesting. Lets colonize the deep web

>>23349 I would agree on that. If we use the Deep Web and eliminated Mobile posting it would be a lot better for it.

>>23349 I also agree on this. The Deep Web(Weeb) would be a start as well. But lainaons might be to lazy on clearnet. We may need a browser that can conform to it but add a VPN socks so others can post.

>>23361 you sure? you can find an app for tor in the play store

>>23370 Does not matter there is still some sites that prevent it regardless.

>>16403 4chan range bans for profit, has jewgle captcha, forces javascript, and has bad moderation and also bad rules. Imageboards would be better off if by the time the original replacements to 4chan were created if 4chan were to have died off.

>>23361 That way it can be just like 4chan, forcing people to get out of their shack in the edge of the woods to go get a real address and pay (((rent))) and live a normal watched life? Ironic, I know, Google androids watch you, but you can turn them off. You can't turn off your location though randomly while sleeping in 'your' house. People will just pay for vps to soykafpost on cellphones if they feel like even going to the dark internet. They can use their phone to control their computer at home. You won't stop anything. >>23370 interestingly, the only application of androids I've noticed that refuses to install with only it's extracted apk was the tor browser and it's coupled application that makes it work. I have over 20 apk's I have backed up and only tor would not work. This means that jewgle owned phones, predictably, just want to force you to use a cell number that might lead back to a real person.

>>23439 >People will just pay for vps to soykafpost on cellphones if they feel like even going to the dark internet. They can use their phone to control their computer at home. You won't stop anything. That is the point, most will have to pay for VPN and also to make extra steps to start posting. Most humans are lazy already. Imagine the posts you see that are low effort compared to the old days.

>>16403 Agreed that the internet is garbage, and I would even go so far as to say that ideally it should be dismantled completely. However I don't see that as a likely thing to ever happen. (Until of course it naturally gets destroyed along with the rest of human civilization once we RETVRN to monke due to some planet-wide cataclysm that is guaranteed to happen on a long enough timeline, but who knows what or when that will be.) I mean maybe somebody could go the whole twenty hillbillies with bolt-actions approach in minecraft, but that would only buy a few isolated spots a few weeks max of net-free existence. They'd certainly rush back to the teat with incredible zeal the moment it came back online. I really wish there was some way. And it can't only be people individually logging off, like I've tried to do—it needs to be everyone. We shouldn't have this as a species. That's my opinion anyway.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7aap8/the-man-who-helped-turn-4chan-into-the-internets-racist-engine Moderators are active part of the problem on 4c

>vice garbage after they got bought out also it went right cause of lack of moderation not pro-right moderation. Nobody stopped leftwing posters. Turns out in absence of censorship the radical left soykafs itself. Same can be observed on plebbit. They were already losing the idea war to groups like the terf subreddit so they deleted them. 4chan didnt so it went on.

>>23316 Refugee here. I rarely visit lainchan and rarely post, because I don't like it (I don't hate it either, no hard feelings) and I'm not interested in /g/ stuff. The issue is not that more and more middle-ground websites are becoming absorbed by the mainstream and used as yet another outlet for the same thoughts until it looks like they're procedurally generated by the same engine, the real issue is that all that's left seems to be converging to "zero censorship" onion communities which I'm not going to touch with a ten foot pole. I don't want to go on the deep web to talk about hobbies. This shouldn't be normal, and it's increasingly becoming this way. I want to distance myself so badly from social media because there is nothing "social" or human on it, and 4chan definitely fits that bill now, but the alternative web is just as polarized. I have such a massive nostalgia for 2000s internet because there was a natural balance, people on the internet were a bit different but they weren't freaks, they were normal but not complete normal people. It was just a bit niche. Now everything is so messed up, there's no common sense, nothing.

>>24016 The death of forum culture was a massive blow for the internet, with nearly everything now being on one of five or so websites everything devolves into politics and samey mush thanks to people overflowing from different pages which are often explicitly political. This is in contrast to smaller forums and boards where theres the inherent airgap of it being a different website, no algorithm is going to display your niche forum as people scroll whereas on reddit or facebook or whatever it will point you towards smaller communities to keep you clicking on top of it already sucking in people from mainstream/political parts of the site that just search for their interest on the site. Its this massive homogenising force and I hate it. I remember using several forums/boards before the consolidation and each one having its own distinct community, now if I look on a reddit page for an interest its almost guaranteed to be culturally identical to any other reddit page.

>>24017 I love art. Drawing, painting. I remember the old days of DA where people made art that was rather unique to themselves. There was a lot of terrible stuff but it was common to find people who made art as a means of personal expression and has no special pretense of becoming popular. Even if they made something typical it was at least sincere. When I join an art community now I can't help but feel like it's all extremely compact. Everyone's studying to "improve" doing exactly the same things, converging toward the same things, same amount of humor, same stylistic preferences or language. I may come across like I'm a special snowflake and everyone else's art is boring but I get this really strong impression that there are these universal standards of theme and style as well as a very professional mindset above complete amateur level. A lot of the casual talk in art communities is about growing followers and things like that. It was something that wasn't even in the back of people's heads before mass social media. I don't know if this is just a warped view of things on my part of it is real.

>>24018 Or worse, this mindset was always there but I didn't see the business in it because I was younger and less jaded.

There's no point going to 4chan. Blacklist the URL on your home network and move on. Anonymous freedom of speech is dead, stop having delusions about it and accept that it is dead. If you don't put a real identity behind your words, your words are meaningless because it is impossible to discern if it is from a bot or troll farm.

>>24015 Did you even read the article? It basically mentioned that the lack of moderation was due to the admin telling them to not moderate at all. >>24053 There was never any free speech to begin with. Whoever told you 4chan was the bastion of free speech told you a huge lie. M00t even mentioned it was not a democracy and it did not exist. It was full of people who did not take themselves seriously and were having fun being silly. Most of it was a LARP and yet people took it as gospel.

>>24057 >The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact. yup it all perfectly aligns with the fascist irony. it's all fake, until it isn't all those threats are fake and in minecraft, until they are not. they are just word! it's just freeze peech! but yet they pretend to influence reality with it

>>24059 I always laugh when those types chants Nigger, Jew and Kike in every board that does not involve or want politics within it. Then they cry about being derezzed or nobody wanting to be around them when they spam their Reddit/soi soykaf then cry about it being derezzed because "MAH Freeze Peach!" for not integrating.

>>24060 they are practically all over 4c now. they infected sfw boards too. some in very subtle ways. for example, editing pics and putting sonnerad pendants where there were just regular pendants (i'm talking about a abby shapiro pic they are using these days)

>>24060 They desperately want to come across as badass or threatening, so they'll call you a tranny, a glitterboy, a jew, whatever, but it never works because threats have no weight unless you put a face behind them.

>>24063 >>24064 Honestly a huge reason why people are radicalized is that the American left has gone completely insane with the identity politics, and if you have anything against any of it no matter how absurd you are a Nazi. That's how people become radicalized.

>>24065 >the American left has gone completely insane with the identity politics, that's not even remotely true thank you tim, anyways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBhSMlQsH5o

>>24066 Inventing custom pronouns and redefining gender to validate mentally ill people is insane. There is a whole generation who thinks it's fashionable to have dysphoria. This is insane. But I know where this conversation will go so I won't bother.

>>24067 >>24065 Other people being retarded is no excuse for being just as retarded yourself but in all the opposite ways. It's like waiting for every stoplight to turn red before you gun it just to be a rebel.

I mostly quit 4chan cold turkey, until I recently started posting again on /mlp/, which I believe is the only board still worth using. It's very odd how the board has served as a time capsule in many ways; few or no other boards still represent users with Anonymous rather than Wojak or Pepe, but the most popular reaction images are those which can only be posted on /mlp/, or /trash/, the actual show. I would've used any other imageboard, but there really isn't a better place on the Internet to discuss my love for colorful, magical equines. There are people who try to post politics on the board, and not just the politics relating to how the last two seasons were written by hacks who wanted points, but they largely get beaten away. You can't get people who would rather fantasize about being in a loving relationship with a magical pony than a woman to care about general politics. I don't know if I'll ever be able to forget being in a thread about dating and building a relationship with your mare, and someone started posting Donald Trump memes before being told to fuarrrk off; it really spoke to me how much politics wants to infest everything. The most political thing to happen lately was last year, when Derpibooru started banning Aryanne, so people made the Marenheit 451 art pack. Pissing people off was part of the fun, and it was the biggest charity art pack ever associated with My Little Pony. This was a case of several news organizations adding fuel to the flames, and really just causing trouble for no good reason. This post has more info: >>18704 Most 4chan boards aren't any good for their topics, and I'm sure many of us used /g/, but I never even feel the want to revisit /g/, because it's so bad for discussing anything related to technology, and Lainchan is clearly the best.

>>24067 Its better to counterpush that in non-retarded areas rather than giving them more ammunition by claiming that everyone against their more ridiculous areas is now far-right. By putting up resistance in the good organisations and communities rather than just fuarrrking off to the retarded ones you prevent them normalising the more outlandish aspects. Somewhere like the rationalist community is better than going full retard.

>>24057 Vice is literally left-wing Breitbart so anything they say should be taken with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

Honestly, Lainchan's kinda cozy even as someone who has very hard-leftist ideals. With /g/, it's just incessant "trolls trolling trolls" to the point where there's no signal. Even if there's a good portion of you all who I think are straight up wrong about some things, the only people I really can't connect with are those who feel the need to beat me over the head with their convictions. Of course, this doesn't include the people who don't feel the need to purely because I already agree with them, and so that tints my views a little, but alas. >>24075 I feel like I've seen this post somewhere before.

>>24065 I view identity politics as a wildly successful psyop. It's classic divide and conquer.

>>24080 This is one of the few places where discourse can still exist in a mildly pure form. For example, I don't agree with far-left ideals, yet it doesn't matter to me in the slightest because here topics are on point and are not overrided by any form of alignment. It is better this way.

>>24079 I know that. But it would make sense and it is entirely plausible that it is allowed to happen.

>>24080 I think the entire issue is the fact that everyone wants to insert their politics in a hamfisted manner all the while blaming the establishments for doing the same thing. Getting rid of politics to it's own board by preventing it from spilling over would be nice to have. But i think mods are getting lazier and the fact they do not have measures to regulate against bad OC posting(think of the Wojak variants, the Pepe variants, generic insults) and thinly veiled political threads is not a good thing. It just brings down the quality of the boards and turns them into politics [insert board here].

only answer is making personal website that can soykafpost and never use community. i am actually start to doing this year. i can't barely stand to reading politic and madness and sarcasm internet will become not a place for creativity and rest. i felt great soykafstorm will become in 5 years with my intuition also user generations are keep changing. i decided to make unsinkable website. for my rest

>>24084 I'm a firm believer that containment boards don't work. They just work as incubators for the soykaf in them to spill over into other boards. They only work if you assume people posting in them or attracted to them won't click the links at the top of the page onto the other boards.

>>24086 yeah they are not containement boards they are petri dishes

>>24084 >everyone wants to insert their politics in a hamfisted manner all the while blaming the establishments for doing the same thing That's only half the problem. The other half is that a sizable portion of users seem to be incapable of civil conversation (or even just scrolling past) if politics are even hinted at. It's become an addiction for them. Often if anything in your post expresses or just sounds sympathetic to any aspect of any ideology, people of competing ideologies will ignore everything in your post other than that one tidbit that triggers their 'tism, decry you as which ever snarl word is appropriate and straw-man you to death with positions you did not express, do not hold and have no interest or intention to defend. This is especially frustrating to those of us that don't hold to a strict ideology and have positions on both sides of the aisle (which is not to say a centrist, they catch their own unique kind of flak).

>>16403 I've been a /g/ /i/ mainly but I was visiting almost all of the boards in general After the waves of people going into 4chan I was sad to see people not wanting or even caring about any of the boards culture, or even the site's as a whole. Never really cared much about the "mixed bag" thing I still consider this as a strength BUT only and only if the community is small and DOESN'T inflate way too fast. There are always gonna be people that post good content with each post and the bad posts are just gonna make them shine more. That's what I thought until I saw board after board getting destroyed. After all of that I started looking into alternatives that value quality a bit more and the posts and replies are not 1 letter long. And THIS site gets it I haven't been so happy visiting an image board for a long long time. and with that may this site prosper and be my new cozy home. Now I will lurk some more until I can learn this site's culture :D and yes this is my very first post. (this imageboard has the best layout I found)

>>24065 That's not how it works. The problem does not stem from one specific ideology, thinking in such narrow terms promotes tribalism, which is the desired outcome of the people trying to play mind games with the participants on social media. It's like you didn't even care to read this entire thread before posting.

>>16403 Used to love 4chan but now it's just a spamfest. As a whole, the post quality has decreased across all boards. Speaking specifically about /g/, there's a lot of wojakspammers and people that despise anime, not to mention how every conversation gets derailed into a namecalling fight. Try looking up an archive from ~5-6 years ago, you'll be SHOCKED at how much the post quality has degraded.

lambda hates anime more than g

>>24092 Is this actually true? I am not talking about pedo anime, I hate these too. Good thing here that is a ban-able offense!

>>24086 I agree. There is a huge reason why in the Western World they say not to speak of Politics and Religion. Because that is usually what activates the tism fits and these people thinking they must spread their view otherwise it will absolve into everyone else's society. >>24088 Yeah it becomes even more polarized due to these political times and also with what is going on in the world currently. The best thing would have been to shut it down and gatekeep it out to somewhere else. Let them cry about "mah freedom of speech" somewhere else, because there is thousands of places to do so but there is very few places to have a community anywhere else away from this nonsense. I do think we will be able to have those conversations when these times boil over which they will.

>>24089 The problem was we had no gatekeeping when M00t left. We had no real mods when M00t left and the whole thing went to soykaf. When you have too many people coming in and not understanding the boards culture or being shamed or even let alone derezzed for a month, then they will do whatever they want. It just becomes sad because as someone who went to /v/ since 2009-2015 and then came back in 2016-2017 it had this sense of community still but slowly each board became about shaming someone for liking anime, shouting loud as fuarrrk with unoriginal oc, and generally not adhering to any board culture because of the first point i made above. It came to /v/, slowly made it's way to /g/ and then especially the other medium to small boards. Besides i think It's the lack of quality controls and standards that could have prevented it. As for this board i have it as my homepage honestly and i do visit 8ch moe at times as well as an alt board.

>>24070 >>24077 >Other people being retarded is no excuse for being just as retarded yourself I am not radicalized though. >By putting up resistance in the good organisations and communities rather than just fuarrrking off to the retarded ones you prevent them normalising the more outlandish aspects. Whose fault is this? It's become harder and harder to say anything dissenting with the leftist narrative pushing for more and more idpol and anti-conservative anything. I'm definitely a moderate but if I said anything I'd be labelled alt-right and that's bullshit.

>>24099 >The best thing would have been to shut it down and gatekeep it out Only issue with this in practice is it requires good unbiased moderators, and mods are often infected with the same parasites as the user base. Banning people talking about gassing the Jews on a tech site is easy enough, but due to how effective idpol based ideologies are at shoehorning their poison into every aspect of life, many grey areas emerge and it falls to the moderators to figure it out. Its when addressing these grey areas that their parasite whispers in their ear. Or if the user base itself has a lean in one direction or another the mods may decide to err on that side, which is fine once or twice, but if it becomes the standard practice eventually results in the site/board/community gradually devolving into an ideological circle jerk with a think veneer of the original subject matter. Then of course there are ideological infiltrators into any power structure. I guess the point something we've always known. Humans are the problem. Lainchan's moderators aren't immune to this problem, but they don't do too bad, and if anything have gotten better at ignoring their parasites with time/experience.

>>24100 Yeah m00t was really the only one that could keep the site going or at least try, there were good mods too but many of them couldn't take it, I wouldn't either.

>>24102 You do not allow grey areas, you call it off-topic and call it a day. Because what is yelling about politics in video games going to achieve with anything? Also i can see what you mean by allowing it to become a standard as that is what caused this to happen in the first place especially groupthink, and not allowing dissenting opinions and basically being no different than social media or other forum sites. It's to hivemind and i hate that soykaf. You are right sometimes it's better to ignore, others it's better to delete. It's just there is too many users and it's overrun the site completely and nobody had any protocols or things in place to prevent that from happening. As for Lainchain i do not mind they do a good job when speghetti is about to drop and delete threads or move them. Other times they ignore it if everyone else does.

>>24104 I can not blame him, it was more fun when he was around if anything. Mods did not want to deal with the constant badgering of IRL movements and political larp glitterboyry. Then with the election i think they just ran for the hills and decided it was a lost cause. Hopefully with this site and the other alts we can learn from them and create something better.

>>24106 That's a pretty good topic to discuss. How can we prevent the same fate here? Is it even possible. I wouldn't mind for laine to be eternal.

>>24107 My ideas would be to 1. Use word filters to change their buzzwords around like that is done with soykaf, and Glitterboy. Make it ineffective. 2. Allowing users to delete threads or posts so they do not have to see or respond to users. 3. Mod tools that somehow can get rid of mass raids and perhaps maybe some advanced form of MD5 to try to cut down on the Pepe, Wojak and unoriginal OC spam. 4. Pointing newlains to the rules as a warning to adhere to board culture lest they want to be derezzed across the board forever. 5. Bannings that last for a month and public humiliation for mods to jump in or to make examples. It may not be foolproof in my opinion but it is far better than just allowing it to happen. I would try to institute these ideas to as many alt chans and to keep Lain pure and eternal.

>>24108 I agree, I think it's too soon for any of these to be honest because at least for now it's easy to moderate at this speed the post come. Although the public humiliation already is happening right? I seen some banner's that are probably from the irc humiliating people with ill intentions.

>>24109 It is but i am talking about when the user base get's a little bit bigger. Also you are right, i do notice that the mods are getting smart with spammers and certain link posts.

>>24108 >Use word filters to change their buzzwords around like that is done with soykaf, and Glitterboy. Make it ineffective. It's always nice to see someone who is trying to spam low effort culture war stuff complaining about how many times they had to rewrite their post because it kept getting autofiltered.

>>24112 My favorite has been when they pretend to be long time users and suddenly announce they are leaving the site. All because their posts would not submit because it contained spam and they could not get their buzzword propaganda out.

>>24105 >Because what is yelling about politics in video games going to achieve with anything? People buying alternative better products instead of said garbage. Besides the implication that other discussions are more fruitful is simply not true. Especially politics like patenting rigged matchmaking or banning players for posts on social media affects people even if they wish to tolerate the social justice pandering western companies are afflicted with. Consume and dont question is a horrible stance to take.

>>24112 >>24113 Though this is like kicking dead whales down the beach when it comes to talking about things that didn't use to, but have become buzzwords in recent times. One time I wanted to respond to a thread that talked about a phenomenon popular with a generation preceding Gen X that starts with 'b', and I wrote a somewhat big post making my argument and had it not go through because I didn't know it was filtered. As someone who rarely posts and mostly lurks, (and I didn't have it saved in my clipboard either to rewrite it) you can probably guess what sort of frustration this elicited.

>>24114 yelling about it on an anonymous imageboard about technology doesn't do anything substantiative. 100% of the time, political topics become idiotic flamewars. I have never in my life seen an exception to this rule, here or elsewhere. >Consume and dont question is a horrible stance to take have you considered that perhaps participating in politics *at all* is a form of consumption? Think of how many people get rich by marketing to your political affiliations.

>>16403 >extremes meet Works for politics, too. >>16404 >/r/ - Random >>16406 The problem is that it's hard for anonymous communities to have continued worthwhile engagement. It's near-impossible to know if you are talking to the same person and therefore hard to make longer term friends, as opposed to pseudonymous platforms and protocols (e.g. Matrix). That said, anonymous platforms tend to see a lot more interesting discussion and you can speak your mind freely, at least as long as the userbase is small.

>>16408 Cleverbot gives me interesting conversations though (unlike 4chan).

>>24108 just language enhancer nigger back to roody-poo for a week and watch all the retards leave

>>24114 Giving attention to garbage is not the best idea and is in fact playing into their hands. Besides do you think that saying the same things in an echo chamber is going to change anything in broader society? Do you really think 4chan, this site or any others are going to really fight your battles for you? Or perhaps using a bit of common sense you realize that you must do it yourself. >Consume and dont question is a horrible stance to take. Same can be said for everything else. As other anon said, politics is no different and there is starting to be an inverse of Hypocrisy by not seeing things can be the same thing even on the opposite direction. Nobody wants to believe that Video Games industries are corrupt or that Politicians are not either so as long as they have a D or an R after their name. But it's just the way of the world preaching to the choir changes nothing as well. Everyone knows the obvious.

>>24124 >TFW buzzwords turn into funny board theme slang terms and the retards retreat or have to work themselves into a tard rage.

>>24118 Its not even a political affiliation when the concern is devs banning ingame after stalking people on social media or devs cheating the players. Thats a moral stance primarily. What gets derezzed under "no politics" isnt really politics. They dont even allow biz discussion regarding company metrics influencing game design. >>24148 >Besides do you think that saying the same things in an echo chamber is going to change anything in broader society? Depends entirely on the size of the echo chamber. What do you think state tv is? quadchan ranks actually rather high in traffic which is why its full of marketing people. Theres a historical record of underpaid kids saying fuarrrkit and posting their marketing instructions for it because they got fed up with it.

>>24150 video game politics are politics.

>>24092 The programming and security boards merely prohibit irrelevant files, as they should. Look at what the cretin running /g/ stickies: https://rbt.asia/g/thread/77253759/ The inmate runs that asylum now. Who cares that there's no real discussion of technology, so long as there's anime? I prefer how Lainchan handles it.

Just filter the top ten most used buzzwords (tranny, pol, based, cringe, redpilled, etc.) and watch the website dramatically improve. Look at how sharply "soyboy" fell off after it got filtered on 4chan. Do it to every fuarrrking forced meme, and start using computer vision to autoban all wojaks and pepes.

>>24152 Scale. If you ignore scale might as well call parent child disputes about cleaning their room politics. game companies are far from it either.

>>24150 While you might be correct on scale, the fact remains quadchan has not changed very much of society if at all. And it is becoming more hilarious to see the fact there are those who are spamming endlessly wasting their time, their lives with the path of least resistance, least amount of effort and the least amount of change possible. I do agree though that there are marketing types there and also political types as well. But it has become a low effort place where there is very little variety and very little OC anymore. Which means they are not effecting broader change but instead tackling the lowest denominator which even then already buys into most of the stuff being said anyways.

>>24153 I can agree on that. It was one of my suggestions earlier on forced memes. They are trying to introduce their linguistic propaganda in various places and especially in places where nobody cares. I have seen these words posted on almost every board over there even the small ones. But that is because retards will post it until they are told not to or get a slap on the wrist with a ban or their word comes out wrong and fuarrrked up.

>>24165 This was meant for >>24156 my fault.

>>24164 I would differentiate. The influence of its natural userbase diminished of course with growing popularity. The influence of the site on people grew however with a growing userbase. Thats why it became a more important marketing ground just like reddit. If you spend time on these sites youre largely just consuming viral marketing in one or another form. And they do this rather smart. One of the more interesting comments from a gdc talk was that indies got told they couldnt create threads on reddit cause some aaa was currently paying for marketing. So the marketing is not just by pushing your own adds but also killing discussion on competition which steers attention to you. They can fabricate popularity for their product by simply deleting discussion on competitive ones. At that point you dont even need to run adds. Limiting threads to your own product is enough for advertisement as it suggests popularity which attracts people.

>>24167 I can agree on that, that perhaps means some mods are complicit within this marketing lingo thing and the whole advertising with the "Old Wojak" drinking Monster was another viral campaign to get people to drink it. Much like in the past with Mountain Dew and Doritos ad campaigns. The only argument i would make though is advertising is getting lazier and also with not much variation. But i think it's after they learned of the tactic of shutting down other threads so they can get people to notice their product and also because quadchan has no image filter or no real word filter attempt for buzzwords and forced memes they could do whatever they wanted. To add onto this though i would say the election caused so much normal users to hop onto the board including Reddit Refugees as well to cross pollinate the site.

>>24153 /g/ has turned for the worst. I had to quit in 2018 just because of how the format was so obvious and full of advertising and marketing. It's basically >Post Apple fault >Post anime girl and say "Apple users BTFO" >Fake tons of replies that say buzzword of affirmation even if it's from your friends on dicksword Also it was worse when it came to AMD Vs Nvidia Vs Intel threads it would just be a wojak but with an Nvidia, Intel or AMD logo. It would not have anything interesting to discuss it would just be spam trying to trash the competition or flame wars. It's basically Reddit 2.0 with forced popular anime characters and advertising the board. It's just another social media site where only popular opinions are allowed. Lainchan is different because nobody is trying to one up each other, but have discussions and even if there is disagreement it's not on buzzwords to shut the other person down. It's on rational arguing and well thought out arguments.

>>16403 ooga booga

>>17901 >>Why would anyone care about what you consider uncomfortable at the moment of discussing anonymously? This used to be a meme in the old days, but I think kids new to 4chan actually believed this is the way people think and adopted it as a lifestyle. I've noticed internet culture in general in the new days (post 2014 especially) has looked more and more like people talking to themselves, at each other, rather than having a discussion. I see the same thing in signal text chatrooms with my small circles of friends. Sometimes they don't even respond to a message, they just drop in something completely different, and you'll see like 3 back to back messages that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. No dialogue. Was it smartphones? Liberals? Cablefication of the internet?

>>23316 interesting thought; what if back in the day, we all shaped the discourse of the bots... but now what we are seeing is bots shaping the discourse of people? Creating a feedback loop of soykaf?

>>17941 gamergate really does seem to have been the pinnacle of internet culture. that's about when mods, and then all of society, started to chase the personalities that made threads hilarious down. as soon as things crept into the real world, or the real world crept into the internet (however you want to look at it), essentially everything began this downward spiral. losing regular metokur content was a death blow.

>>24181 scientology rallies crept into real world years before. Then there was the fappening (celeb pron released on 4chan). The biggest thing they did was cia soykaf where they found terrorist bases based from their training videos and posted coords on twitter which got them actually bombed. Gamergate was not the largest irl involvement. What it had is an army of journos trying to defend themself from the disclosed corruption. Its also possible that the real reason was entirely different. GG dug deep and discovered another dark secret midway regarding questionable financing which might have been the real cause.

>>24182 >Its also possible that the real reason was entirely different. GG dug deep and discovered another dark secret midway regarding questionable financing which might have been the real cause. It's always something like this. If something seems too stupid to be real, it's probably covering up some billionaire's skeletons.

>>24179 Most social media formats don't encourage conversation, they encourage stand alone impactful statements that will serve as a magnet for likes, up votes, subscriptions, or what ever digital token of validation is standard on the platform. It's possible that people who got hooked on the social media Skinner box when they were still developing social skills may have had their conversational skills stunted by this. Especially if conversing in digital spaces that give them similar signals to the Skinner boxes they grew up in. >>24181 >>24182 Any time the wired crosses paths with the real, the wired loses a little bit more of itself. A hundred million eternal Septembers. At this stage wired and the real are virtually one in the same. Just watch the news cycle. It's all about tweets and Facebook posts, or about events that were directly caused or influenced by some online space or a meme. Investigative journalism is dead, instead they just wait for Twitter, Reddit and 4chan to figure out the plot and give it their own spin. The wired is different things to different people, so not everyone will agree with this, but I think the worst aspect of the real that carried over to the wired is the inability to take a joke, recognize sarcasm, cope with the absurd, or let retards be retards. In other words, the real made the wired srs bsns. The real didn't kill the wired, it did something far worse. It made it fuarrrking boring.

the only good thing on 4chan might be the generals, and only for the information in the OP. i just made few simple regex rules to filter the garbage (non general posts and all the replies) and go there when looking for additional resources on something. i also blocked the images.

>>17550 I've found treasures there before, for example a /g/ thread was the only place I could torrent the leaked Intel source code. Not much use out of it since then though.

>>17935 >>17941 There was more variety in the past. Period. And not just in art. They made studies on contemporary music and they've found that the tonal range of singers, variations of chords and other signifiers of variety have gone down dramatically.

>>24196 for popular music, sure. Nowadays anybody with $500 can record and mix an album, so there's a ton of indie music, and that tends to have a lot more variety.

>>24196 Yes because the pop music has been really dedicated to a minority of people who enjoy watered down lyrics of Sex,drugs, pretending to be masculine or feminine. If you look around for indie artists and underground playlists etc you will find tons of variety in obscure music and genre's because as other anon mentioned the technology advancements have been so great anyone can make music, a video game(from the 90's) and various other things. It's just the industries have been getting lazy and coasting off of the lowest common denominator.

>>24274 two 4chan threads, same solution to both.

>>24197 That's not at all what Lain was talking about. You're talking about recordings first of all; there's more recordings now but not more variety. Lain mentioned specific qualities of music that are diminishing in variety. When I hear recordings of rural traditional music from 60 years ago there was so much more going on in these relatively rare recordings. Trad music now is pretty much a parody version of a commercialized version of something. As for rhythm, almost all music now is 4/4. Some is 3/4, or 6/8, and that's about it. Listen to even rock music from the 70s and there's much more versatility, and read sheet music from before audio technology existed, either from commercial songbooks, composers, or anthropologists studying indigenous music and there is more there as well. 5/4 time was common in a lot of tribal music. I can hardly find a guitarist who can play that in the 21st century. Even indigenous music suffered. Tribal religions were suppressed, even outlawed, and without written language so much music was destroyed because they couldn't pass it on verbally. Listen to modern pow wow music it's all 4/4 (pow wows were invented by colonial governments so the indians could have a secular outlet for singing and dancing by the way, as they were forced into Christianity). There's religious and other music from these people that survived sure, but most of was destroyed.

>>24296 Well best thing would be to experiment with Psychedelics and try to allow more freedom of expression. But because that is not allowed due to universalism and a one size fits all marketplace top down control you only get what elites allow you to have.

4chan stopped being an option when it started to gain popularity.

>>17847 I'm not sure, but it might have something to do with the "dehumanization" of users. Before, engagement was measured in who you talked to and how you interacted with them, as well as what you did with them. After, "engagement" just means that someone interacted with a piece of information you created and the only trace of them even existing was a number (likes, dislikes, views, etc.).

>>24302 >universalism and a one size fits all marketplace top down control That doesn't explain anything. In fact that is less true now than it has been at any time since recorded music was invented. There are more options to record and releasemusic than before, and for cheaper. That's not the problem anymore. >best thing would be to experiment with Psychedelics and try to allow more freedom of expression I'm all in favour of psychedelics... but then again look what some artists have done with no drugs (Frank Zappa!). Loosening up the imagination is one thing, giving kids a solid background in music gives them something to experiment WITH. We need better music education in schools, starting at an early age (art and theater as well for that matter).

that blog be really funny sometime if you take joy in making overly sensitive soykafskin mods fume in anger over actually being techloligically educated and the ahem techillogy board is funniest of all with mods being so mad if you make your own general thread https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/78132629/ , or well any thread in general that does not align with their opinion they will precede to spam some soykafty unfunny things and deled the thread so they may ahem win? i guess cuz you cannot reply anymore even go as far to race bait and make low iq jokes while making racism reason for ban and deletion if you reply I personally come to 4cheddit every few months to check up if range ban for my whole autonomous province is still up and if not ensure it is

funniest thing is that mods get so furious about virtually anything, even a post about shonen manga on anime board https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/216392888/ posting face of a drawn girl https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/78294838/ or talking about possible political things on politics board all in all great fun if you enjoy angering children

>>24764 Holy soykaf what are these rules? When did the site get so fuarrrking lame?

>>17903 5 of them wojak derivatives, 1 pepe derivative, 2 chad derivatives, and 1 anime anthropomorphized global disaster that would have been made by someone else if not 4chan. I still don't see anything original.

>>24768 ig always was but it is recently that they are getting more about it, normally posters will stop posting after 2 bans that are really caused by nothing else than mods disagreeing with post itself then comes the range ban where most will not take an effort to check up on a site due to its 3-6 months expiration as getting rid of all funny and actual independent thought on the subject on a site that can be so easily manipulated into private echo chamber what is not is but a power trip of few truly sad and pathetic hence why there is no even ironic discussion on such site since 2010 to 2012 you could have night funny threads 2012to2018 somewhat discuss actual on quote topic of board 2018to now literal echo chamber

>>24757 >That doesn't explain anything. In fact that is less true now than it has been at any time since recorded music was invented. There are more options to record and releasemusic than before, and for cheaper. That's not the problem anymore. It is true more so now than any other time. Ask yourself is there more avenues to advertise yourself than places that are not centralized? I mean what about Social Media, Video Sharing and even Music Sharing(Spotify)? No. And that is kind of the problem if these major communication distributions decide they do not like your music you are SOL. If you are not able to get any advertising or corporations sponsoring on your behalf you are kind of out of luck unless you are banking on hopeful algorithms that favor the user base than favor corporations. It has been getting worse in recent years with this idea.

>>24772 >>24764 >Lolliposts are now "pedo posts" >Troll Posts /g/ >You cant attack others on /pol >Random humor and not taking anything seriously is off-topic I am surprised at these rules especially the lollipost i have seen since 2013. You would think mods would not have autism and be able to read between the lines on this. But i agree on the power trip, and everyone thinking it's going to be popular forever and then it turns out like 420chan and a few others where it fades back to normal after people get jobs or live life.

>>24763 >>24764 >>24772 Those posts are terrible. The problem with /g/ and other boards is too much anime where it doesn't belong. Observe these: https://rbt.asia/g/thread/76759434/ https://rbt.asia/g/thread/77253759/ Where's the technology? Now /g/ is flooded with more idiots, and the knowledgeable people have left for here and other places. Just as it was several years back, one of the only rules enforced consistently is global rule 15.

>>24776 >anime where it doesnt belong or you dont belong on chans...

>>24773 Advertising??? We're not even talking about the same thing. You're talking about making it as some kind if full time, professional star or something. I'm talking about just making music... something the majority of people in the past did with no hope of ever making any money in the first place.

>>24784 Not >>24776 but I agree that there are certain places on imageboards where anime doesn't belong.

>>24787 Yeah it's just a type of interface. Just because most of them are associated with weeaboo crap doesn't mean they all have to be. It's not just the weeb thing either. People see a new imageboard an immediately assume it's an extension of 4chan and since they believe they are part of some retarded subculture, the same etiquette applies. Well it doesn't have to.

>>24787 >>24788 there are tons of nonweeb sites to discuss the same topics. Going to a weeb site and complaining til they accommodate your taste is massive entitlement. I dont like it either but i like it even less to force your ideals upon other people.

>>24789 What makes you think that every imageboard is suppose to be a "weeb site"?

>>24790 i was under the impression we discussed 4chan and specific /g as thats what i replied to, my bad if you meant other sites. Of course you can have nonweeb imageboards. I do believe however that 4chan is a weeb site.

>>24791 I explicitly said, other sites but with a similar interface.

>>24763 >>24764 >>24772 Soykaf posters create soykaf mods, I guess. People are reaping what they sow. Post OC.

>>16405 >Even if it's just a matter of reflex on the level of a Pavlovian animal. nice try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_repugnance

>>16403 i dont see it as a bad thing that different cultures form. i agree that there are better places to discuss serious matters but a place like 4chan does have its benefits. 4chan has a lot of traffic and people are quick to state what they are truely thinking. many of the low effort posts mirror the thoughts of the person who made the post. (im not saying the posters are lacking in intelligence) when i post on 4chan, i dont make any efforts to type out a good post. i dont expect other people to deliver replies of high quality either.

>>25416 >we dont like it to be true even if we have to admit it has some purpose. Imagine being salty that natural urges go against your educational reconditioning.

>>25419 why do you assume that the anonymous forum will be good? It was, is and will be meant to degenerate. And from here thank you 4chan for brainwashing and not be moral user.

I was just derezzed for three days for committing the ultimate crime: questioning the site's moderation in public. /tv/ keeps inconsistently allowing, deleting or moving anime threads, even though anime obviously is on-topic there. If they wanted to limit the board to live action, that would be fine, but they have refused to make that a rule. They have also refused to explain anything about why they're acting this way. They are playing some kind of game, and you aren't allowed to ask what it is. It was also comical how quickly they managed to respond to my BadThink posts, compared to how sluggishly they respond to actual problems, if they respond to them at all. What makes people behave this way? >>24776 That thread wouldn't exist if the site wasn't continuously bombarded with baseless complaints about anime on an anime site.

>>25486 Did you metapost the thing about moderation in /tv/? It's off-topic then. Just because the thread is moved doesn't mean it's bad, like moving such to /a/ only gives it more audience unless it's moved in /trash/ or /bant/. >What makes people behave this way? Another thing is people can go wild when they're drunk or just on the edge. Calling for 'mods' or simply posting the word 'mods' in a thread is a bannable offense. Although I think the people behind the scenes are scum like there's a moderator on the politics board that if you happen to disagree with their "anonymous post" in another board will ban you out of spite and the ban is simply a personal attack (like global ban without breaking any rule). There is a lack of transparency and most of them are some IRC insider trades who stalk on anons posts you wouldn't believe there's people who want to be moderators across different imageboards just to stalk a poster's post history as a hobby.

>>25487 I'm a moderator on two imageboards (a small one for 7 years, a major one for <6 months) You can definitely tell the difference in teams. 4chan is notorious for having some absolute soykaf staff. In fact, I have no doubt most if the ones who cared enough to come onto the team in good faith would have left in disgust (or by getting a life). But again, that's a guess. There's actual political motivation for some people joining now, which is disturbing. Mods and nannies tend to come in 2 (and a half) flavors, the 'name user' style and the anon culture style. The half is on altchans like this where you can see the logs and check which mod deleted your post. This leads to obsessives stalking mods and building a cult of personality around them. But tensions build up easily over simple misunderstandings, even in non-emotional cases. For example, a user is mobile posting and gets derezzed. Due to dynamic IP, they never saw the ban notice. They get derezzed for ban evasion. They don't understand why their posts are being deleted. One even showed a screenshot and said, look, I've waited out my ban, but didn't know their other IP still had a week longer left (ban evasion). Then you get Poe's law when a topic gets treated as spam because a /poI/troon spammed that topic in bad faith for an enitre hour yesterday. And then of course there are straight up soykaf mods who have an agenda or push their views on what's a soykafpost onto the board, as with many cases ITT. Any admin worth being there has a stern talk or kicks them out. Mod drama is fuarrrking stupid.

>>25487 I metaposted in a thread that was moved to /a/. /tv/'s inconsistent, rule-breaking approach to anime threads has been a problem for years, and has never been addressed by anyone.

>>25503 I found this a while back and was looking for it the other day. Where is this on lainchan.

>4chan is braindeath >reddit is worse >youtube is cancer >lainchan is slow >8chan was gutted where did everyone go? where is the fun in internet?

>>25573 >lainchan is slow It's worth considering whether having a fast imageboard is even desirable. Pretty much all of the boards of 4chan have a correlation between speed and quality, though even the most niche hobby boards occasionally get pretty bad as well. I think it's partly because the faster boards have unintentionally become the same slot machine model that modern social media companies use. While refreshing the catalog on a high-traffic board you're much more likely to come across a topic that might even be marginally interesting to you. Of course when you actually join the thread, the actual topic of discussion is completely irrelevant. Instead it's just a place for you to get your daily dose of oxycotin or dopamine from feeling like you're interacting in close to real-time with people of a shared interest in-group. Just follow some of the generals on the more popular boards. It's the same soykaf reposted again and again with only slight variations because the posters don't actually care about quality, but because to them in its own twisted way it feels like it has many of the same qualities as social interaction.

>>25573 urbit is objectively the most disruptive, final solution

>>25577 >blockchain after all it's broken at the root. Centralizes itself without data retention.

>>25573 I could make some fun threads but I feel guilty for not doing what I'm supposed to do so I soykafpost instead.

>>25573 Public forums are nowadays either slow or terrible, so everyone decided to stick with private groups instead

I'm a 4chan janny, ask me your questions.

>>25587 How much do you get paid?

>>25587 Are you clamped, vaccinated, circumcised, halogenated, and irradiated?

>>25587 where did it all go so very wrong?

>>25587 Which board do you moderate? How do you talk to with other staff members? Via IRC? Discord?

>>25592 Pretty much every inane moderation decision you've seen stems from the fact that there are a handful of mods that have been around for 10 or more years, and they decide how their preferred board should be managed. Occasionally jannies will pitch new ideas but in every single instance I've seen the idea is shot down without any explanation. What's more frustrating is that there's no justification for many moderation decisions, but as jannies we still have to moderate according to what we're told. I'm not sure, but I'm beginning to think it's an ego thing where these ancient mods believe they are the only ones that understand how to properly create and enforce rules on 4chan. Just as a note here though, there might be discussion behind rule changes but if there is it would be only among mods. Jannies aren't looped into anything until changes are made public on the site. >>25593 Discord

>>24005 Interesting article. I thought Vice was irremediably lost like Pitchfork after they were bought by Condé Nast (one form of the internet cancer), but it seems they still have a few decent journos. Retrospectively, it makes sense: - A guy writes a blogpost about how his blue-haired radfem ex-gf with an obvious Cluster B personality disorder was cheating on him with vidya journos so they would wage slave her soykafty game. - Nerds on the internet become enraged, suddenly discover that OMG conflicts of interest do exist in video game journalism — wouldn't have happened if they had read Bourdieu's On Television and paid attention to how big companies like EA deal with journalists (e.g. offer them to stay in luxurious hotel suites when testing a game). Anyway, mass hysteria ensues. - After the whole episode is over, Moot is tired of losing money administrating this cesspool and wants a quiet life, sells 4chan to Hiroyuki. - Hiroyuki doesn't give a fuarrrk about post quality, his English is terrible in any case. He only cares about advertising revenue, so all he does is splitting the website in a NSFW part and a SFW part to maximize that, and then proceed to forget about it. - RapeApe becomes the admin de facto, allows Stormfront astroturfing and Koch bros MAGAbots to turn upside down the place at a critical time (2016 election) since he is also one of them. - Cancer ends up thriving on imageboards, like a self-reinforcing feedback loop, takes disproportionate forms like QAnon (we can thank the Watkins family for that one). 4chan becomes borderline unusable, essentially edgy Reddit with "based" as upvote and "cringe" as downvote. The rest is history. Maybe Hiroyuki is more cynical than this and thinks the Stormbots are good because they maximize "user engagement" as they call it, but whatever, it's obvious that he doesn't give a damn and just want to stay in his little Japanese bubble. Here is Fred Brennan's take on how the cancer spreaded to imageboards, which is also quite interesting: https://jacobinmag.com/2021/04/fredrick-brennan-8chan-internet-4chan-qanon >>24065 It's not only the left, it's American politics as a whole who has been poisoned with identity politics, and the internet got affected as a side-effect. I believe >>24081 is right, it's a COINTELPRO psyop in response to Occupy (pic related). It's simply better for Wall Street if plebs start to hate each other based on characteristics they cannot change (sex, skin color, etc.) There is even money to be made with such ideologies, it's easy to sell products to people who are obsessed with their little special snowflake identities: estrogen pills and hair dye for the woke ones, testosterone pills and whatever Alex Jones is selling for the wannabe tough guys. This logic also fits perfectly with the broken American bipartisan system. You cannot make a profit out of a single payer health-care system, or cheap access to a college education, there is simply no money to be made there. >>25503 I was a mod for a small imageboard too. I can confirm mod drama was a pain in the ass, and it's one of the main reasons I stopped moderating. We also had an admin like Hiroyuki, who was very hands-off and barely communicated with the mod team, and at some point it went totally off the rails. >>25587 Have you interacted with RapeApe? Why does it takes you so long to delete porn from hobby boards, are you understaffed? Is there active communication between the different board teams? When boards are created, what happens at your organizational level?

>>25616 >Have you interacted with RapeApe? He does the orientation for all jannies and he often helps out with ban requests/clarifying rules to jannies. He almost never speaks otherwise so I don't actually know anything about him. It's possible he used to be more active when #janiteam on rizon was a thing. >Why does it takes you so long to delete porn from hobby boards, are you understaffed? often times people don't actually report rule breaking content, in which case there's no way for anyone from the mod team to notice unless they happen to open that thread. If it has been reported and it doesn't get deleted quickly then yes, there are no mods or jannies looking at the report queue at the time (for that board specifically). >Is there active communication between the different board teams? All discussion just happens in discord, so anyone can see it. >When boards are created, what happens at your organizational level? Janitors aren't informed of new boards until they go public, at which point anyone can ask RapeApe for permissions to janitor it.

>>25616 >QAnon (we can thank the Watkins family for that one). Unironically got to give them props for that one, fuarrrking hilarious how all it took was one fat sexpat and a hapa to utterly fuarrrk up the internal stability of the US. Not even glowniggers were that efficient when it comes to deception, respect to them.

>>24079 >Vice is literally left-wing Breitbart so anything they say should be taken with a boulder-sized grain of salt. I'd argue it's actually liberal (in the classic economic sense) Breitbart. Vice happily smears us old-school leftists as "class reductionists" when we try to focus attention on issues like sky-high housing costs, medical debt, real wages not keeping pace with inflation, blue-collar factory jobs lost to globalization, etc. Frankly, we true leftists have a lot more in common with working-class conservatives than with the "progressive" media whores who don't care how much Wall Street VIPs fuarrrk the citizenry over, so long as those VIPs donate to the Donkey Themed Military Industrial Complex Party instead of the Elephant Themed Military Industrial Complex Party.

>>24005 I agree with the article and OP that 4c has become a cess pool and that the janitor standards there contributed to what it is. But I was waiting throughout this article for them to give more solid proof of the main moderators bias. They seem only to be accusations due to the hands-off approach common in 4chan. I don't buy their argument that this one guy made a significant push. Did I miss something in this? Also; bonus annoyance to Vice for: linking an article writing up a paper and then the paper itself separately, linking related articles in direct quotes as if the original speaker agrees with them, noting but not building on number of users compared to hate speech incidence.

>>25586 Yep, I'm just as bad at "networking" online as I am in real life, so I never got invited. >>25577 I certainly hope Urbit succeeds. I also think it makes sense to write bridges decentralized systems (e.g. Matrix, Fediverse, Urbit) so their network effects can compound.

>>25587 How long you been moderating? What changes would you like to see going forward? What advice do you give to new jannys?

>>25651 >How long you been moderating? Not saying anything about when I joined. >What changes would you like to see going forward? In terms of processes, I don't think there's much I would change. I do often disagree with decisions made by the mod team though, and as I've mentioned above concerns coming from janitors are not generally taken seriously. The addition of new boards is also somewhat puzzling, who really asked for all the /v/ derivative boards? They're pretty dead now and nobody was asking for a separate RPG or mobile games board, meanwhile the entire site has an issue of eceleb discussion flooding boards and nothing has been done about that. I don't think the mods are as disconnected from the site as a lot of anons believe, but it's hard to justify their decisions sometimes since many of them make no sense and no explanation is provided to us. >What advice do you give to new jannys? Ask other jannies or mods questions if you're not sure how to enforce the rules, for as much soykaf as the mod team gets mostly everyone is nice and will gladly help you out. Don't worry about your accuracy, someone will reach out to you if you're making bad calls and it's also not a big deal. You can ask to be a janitor on a new board every few months if you're interested.

>>16403 reddit died after the admin moot started censoring everything gamergate related when the gamergate controversy happened, so everyone moved to 8chan. This was back in 2014 where feminism (and in lesser amounts liberalism) was the dominating the internet worldwide.

>>25587 I SAID HOW MUCH DO YOU GET PAID JANNY

>>25676 it always was zero

>>25678 >he does it for free!

>>25678 I asked if you were clamped.

absolute fuarrrking state of sandnigger town

4chan burned by soul and mental health. I think 50% of all posters are psychopaths. It's like all the horrible things life offers but through clown vision goggles multiplying everything 10 times. My empathy is too developed to stand sitting with them and I'm too emotional. It would be good if it died one day and never came back.

Wow, what a discovery! A historically bad site is bad! I'm sure you're the first to find this out. Sounds like somebody's overthinking stuff just a bit. The place isn't very productive, nor interesting, nor even amusing. There's better things to be spending your time with, for sure. Brutal, extreme, deprecate. All this melodrama is headache-inducing. If you don't enjoy the site, don't use it. Simple as is. And when all is said and done, OP, you're still annoying whether your place of refuge be 4chan or lainchan.

>>25654 janny, can you unban me from a work ip address, i dont want my boss to know about it

>>16412 I can't believe people believe in "russian troll farms." Create a meaningful black sheep that actually makes sense. At least.

>>25487 what the difference between /int/ and /bant/ ?

I think that’s awesome. On the internet there should be a place to call people names and make fun of users of software you don’t like. It’s interesting to see people flesh out their disagreements amidst hurling “glitterboy” at one another. Contrary to what you may believe I still do see the occasional quality post on /g/, and there are some good augment threads as well from time to time.

>>16403 at least 4chan is actually an active community lol.

>>17903 wojak and pepe are youtuber tier garbage and sleek n tears chad came from a bodybuilding forum. Just let these gay memes die already so that our generation can pretend they were the greatest thing ever when nostalgia hits 10 years down the line. At least there would've been some grace if they died in 2014-2015, in fact that probably would have happened if frogs didn't become associated with the election. I remember around 2015 when people started posting wojak + pepe outside of 4chan to a very huge extent so users started making edits of pepe called "poo poo pee pee" where he is drawn soykafting in wojak's gaping wounds or molesting children or something else unpalatable to normal people in order to forcibly "kill" the meme before 4chan loses control of it like rage comics, to me that event was the last hurrah for the old meme echosystem and the old attitude imageboards used to have in general.

Kek, my IP range was derezzed both on my PC and my phone for no reason, thanks hiroshima. Finally free! Time to become a better person and work on myself.

>>26363 check out soviet propaganda from ussr. You will find literally wojak vs chad memes looking near identical with the whiny capitalist vs soviet super man. This meme is probably ancient because the underlying cause low vs high test leading to facial differences is true since our evolutionary beginning.