Alt Chan Discussion

Since >>6299 hit the bump limit. Some chans that got mentioned (just copy pasting): sushigirl.us dreamch.net meguca (dead) ssh einchan@einchan.god.jp (dead) 4kev.org http://uboachan.net/ 7clams.org, tohno-chan.com, aurorachan.net, desuchan.net (there's also a desuchan.org), wizchan.org, arisuchan.jp kohlchan.net Also if anyone's interested, there's an imageboard that stores comments on the xrp blockchain and images via ipfs. It got created after 8ch got taken down and proclaims to be uncensorable. There's a moderated mode, which show only the posts that aren't deemed illegal. Whereas the unmoderated mode still shows everything. https://github.com/milezzz/BlockChan https://blockchan.ca/about As of now it features /pol/, /biz/, /g/, /a/, /k/, /b/ and /m/. Proceed with caution, because of the aforementioned illegal content.

idk if it was mentioned in the prev thread but there's obviously crystal.cafe whatever happened to nntpchan? anyone know if thats still up? also anyone remember 16chan that josh tried to make? there's also nozomichan.i2p but idk if the b32 i have saved still works http://22qg2nuqrgccmfcjqb4r4y6wz3dwi2iz55ws37jt7kb5lp5yrj6q.b32.i2p/ i believe there's also a chan for /leftypol/, should be in one of the archived stickies on /leftypol/ but i can't remember what the url was

How hard is it to start your own imageboard? I have an idea for one but don't know much about hosting websites.

>>14350 Block Chan looks interesting, however I don't understand well the technology behind it and it seems like an over complicated implementation just for soykaf posting. Would be interesting to see a Chan similar to scihub or libgen on which users shared exclusively knowledge about all sorts; not only links but also tutorials of whatever you can think of.

>>14352 Pretty easy, been hosting one since age 15.

I have an imageboard. I'm looking for ways to promote it without spamming other sites like spacechan does. But I want mine to be more than just another 4chan wannabe clone.

>>14351 bunkerchan.xyz for leftypol

>>14358 >But I want mine to be more than just another 4chan wannabe clone. I think the best way to avoid that is to have a specific theme and no dedicated boards for lewd and politics.

>>14354 Block Chan looks like the best platform of them all, and totally infected with terrorists already.

>Also if anyone's interested, there's an imageboard that stores comments on the xrp blockchain and images via ipfs. It got created after 8ch got taken down and proclaims to be uncensorable. There's a moderated mode, which show only the posts that aren't deemed illegal. Whereas the unmoderated mode still shows everything. Are they aware not hosting illegal content but providing a way to access it can be illegal? The Pirate Bay got vanned years ago for just hosting legal torrents files. They are also giving super bad OpSec advice: "Lastly, when ready to post w/ BlockChan, for further security, you can use a Burner phone w/ tether internet capability that you purchased with cash as your internet source." without any word about security cameras lol. They away from this cancer-centred board.

Okay, let's post more chans. Here, some imageboard lists: https://pastebin.com/qJdYubnf https://github.com/ccd0/imageboards.json https://getwatcher.net/ https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/List_of_*chan_boards http://allchans.org https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t10VI-sccy1CfAeMZHwmCS_7agIHFo_B5ipMjzsMtTg/mobilebasic This will get you throught random chans over the internet every time you use it: https://4taba.net/res/brd/f/37/1520113924746/main.html Now, this is a tiny list of chans I personally like: http://tohno-chan.com https://kissu.moe/ https://www.4taba.net https://uboachan.net http://desuchan.net http://aurorachan.net https://sushigirl.us https://dangeru.us/ https://wirechan.org/ https://dreamch.net/ http://doushio.com/moe/ http://what-ch.mooo.com/what/ https://chakai.org https://neet.moe/ http://www.operatorchan.org/ https://dis.tinychan.org/recent.html https://wizchan.org/ https://420chan.org/ https://onee.ch/ https://www.4chan-x.net/qa_friends.html https://kakashi-nenpo.com/ https://prolikewoah.com/animu (/animu/ bunker) https://smuglo.li/a/ (/a/ bunker) Please notice some of the chans above are /jp/ spin-offs and because of that they may contain brewing soykaf and you shouldn't take them seriously. If you don't like anime/random related boards then I won't recomend you going there.

To find new imageboards just search for "vichan Copyright ©" on Shodan or Censys.

Blockchan already have a 2nd instance with the domain name "itsniggernotnig.ga" and a swastika as the favicon lol..

>>14374 It's depressing that social media is shaping up to be either this, or this but with sides switched. I don't remember people being so obsessed with the things they hated before social media were a thing. There used to be this thing called common sense that people went by when interacting with each other, it didn't always work but it worked better than this. Maybe we weren't ready for this degree of interconnectedness, or maybe it's just that average people are petty bundles of hatred and they had no chance to show their true colors before they could get online. Maybe it's just that everything is like kicking dead whales down the beach now and people need to blame someone. But when only the nerds and social outcasts were online in the '90s everything was more positive. It was easy to find a theme that kept everyone together than enjoy things. Now all communities seem to be reactionary.

>>14376 Yup, it's sad. I always come back to the thought of wishing this place, for instance, had a bit more going on. But then it would probably just be one step closer to that kind of soykaf.

>>14376 I don't know man, Facebook was kinda cool at first, Twitter too. It's the mobile users who trashed social medias (I think). The ability to react when you just heard about something is dangerous. That's why we see more and more negative content. They react while being still emotional about a news. I want you to all remember that WE chose to go to social medias websites when they were just being created. We used windows chat services before (MSN) and IRC and a lot of us went to social medias because they were attractive at first (and everyone was behind a computer, not a phone). I know it's "cool" to trash facebook nowdays but the site wasn't looking so devilish at the time and it was kinda cozy (mostly speaking with friends). Same goes for Twitter; Twitter was cool as hell at first. I've known the earliest version of Twitter and it was like a friendly community at the time; People where telling who to follow with "Follow Friday" etc (hashtags didn't exist at the time). So yeah. For me it's Phones that killed social medias.

(And I want to add engagement algorithm to the list. But it seems it only getting worse recently (like the last 5years). With violent content being pushed up because people are reacting to it more than normal content)

>>14379 Well yes, the user base is the platform. Facebook has gotten measurably worse as a company, but the user base of Facebook changed completely when the iPhone 2 came out. It was a different place after that. The rest of the internet reflects this on a macro level. In the beginning it was 80% creators and 20% consumers, now 99% of the content is commercial and 99% of the users are on the internet to consume that content. If I were 14 instead of 41, I wouldn't be anywhere near the internet nowadays, and 14 was about the age I first called a BBS. Anything that I find enjoyable gets exploited almost immediately. Anything sufficiently cutting edge that's left open to public view is immediately putrified by normal person stink, shoehorned into a marketing campaign, or gets a swastika painted on it. I have no idea why young people choose to participate in this and the only reason I do is because this is how I've always lived.

>>14355 How, lain, care to help out?

>>14390 (Not the same guy but I can answer) You need to buy a server (vitual or dedicated), install a SQL database, upload some files on the server (php/html/css/javascript), change a few things and it's done. I was able to make one more than 12years ago when I was like 12yo so I bet you can do it too. Here is vichan on github: https://github.com/vichan-devel/vichan And here's lainchan version of vichan: https://github.com/lainchan/lainchan You also have to config your server a little for security issues (disable server-info, etc)

>>14388 >I have no idea why young people choose to participate in this and the only reason I do is because this is how I've always lived. I know that feel, lain. Same for me. Internet was the way I always unplugged from this boring backwater town but now it's like TV except worse. I was very excited about the decentralized stuff but after seeing those environments I noped out.

>>14391 Sounds simple enough that a fool like me can do it too, thanks lain.

>>14395 Be sure to make some research about your local laws. Hosting a board for you and your friends can be fun but it's not the same when your board is open for the entire Internet. People will upload gore/porn and even pedo crap. You need to be able to delete them ASAP (the same day) and you also need to be able to handle seeing this sort of things. It can really mess you up. We are talking potential PTSD here. Knowing this you have to set the "tone" of your website as soon as possible. You don't want your board to become a lawless zone. Set some rules, don't be afraid to ban and delete some posts. One of the reason lainchan isn't as trashy as 8ch is because the admin/mods are really quick at deleting all the unwanted trolls and illegal content. You'll also be legally responsible to keep logs in most countries so be sure to know the law of yours (It's called "data retention laws").

>>14396 >People will upload gore/porn and even pedo crap. You need to be able to delete them ASAP (the same day) and you also need to be able to handle seeing this sort of things. It can really mess you up. We are talking potential PTSD here. Knowing this you have to set the "tone" of your website as soon as possible. You don't want your board to become a lawless zone. Set some rules, don't be afraid to ban and delete some posts. One of the reason lainchan isn't as trashy as 8ch is because the admin/mods are really quick at deleting all the unwanted trolls and illegal content. Thanks for the tips lain. I'll definitely keep those in mind. I really wouldn't like my imageboard littered with porn or other nsfw stuff so I'll probably ban any type of that posting. Also, would it be wise not to have any political boards or discussion about politics? Because they seem to ruin all the sites that have/had a board dedicated to them like 8 and 4chan.

>>14397 not him but porn and politics seem to destroy everything they touch

>>14398 And it's always the same porn you can find anywhere else and the same politics you can find everywhere else.

>>14399 >And it's always the same porn you can find anywhere else Not really, it's the illegal one

>go to thono chan >check the site reply system >>youtube >>nicovideo >"whats nicovideo" >quick search >"NOPE NOPE NOPE" And remind you that this site is top 10 or something in japan

>>14429 Isn't nicovideo just like regular youtube? Or maybe I'm mistaking it for another site with a similar name that is completely normal.

>>14436 I just put "nicovideo" on bing search and the top trending on there is not welcoming

>>14350 I already mentioned it in the other thread but I'll do it anyway. Wired-7 is an imageboard similar to this one but it's in spanish. It doesn't have a lot of traffic but it's alright https://wired-7.org/

>>14449 It seems they redesigned it and actually dropped lain as a mascot So they're dead to me

I found https://crystal.cafe it's basically a sperg site femcels that can't get laid, pretty sure it's just all men larping though. I honestly can't tell.

>>14505 I would bet all of my money (nothing, coincidentally) on every "femcel' website being men LARPing.

>>14429 >>14439 Are people getting traumatized by anime girls again?

>>14505 Always a fun read, I hope they have a private zone where they can actually fulfill the purpose of the site instead of having to pretend it isn't filled by male larpers

>>14514 Well, fujoshi exist. I've dated a couple who would feel at home on imageboards. They're the straight girls who write slash fanfiction and read yaoi manga. But yeah any site with a high concentration of these types is probably just men LARPing.

>>14439 The girl in the maid costume? What's the problem?

>>14360 that was it yeah. cheers

Now that 8chan is up again, do you guys know if/when will /cyber/ be back? I really liked that board. Any /cyber/ orphans here?

>>14605 Take advantage and squat on the /cyber/ subreddit of the new 8ch, become an imageboard legend

>>14605 Many of the boards from 8 have moved onto the webring during its downtime, and they show no intention of going back. General consensus is that the site's a honeypot now. I don't blame anyone for thinking that. Anyway, /cyber/'s at https://anon.cafe/cyber/ now.

>>14608 hey, thanks for this link. what's the webring you're talking about? is it the one that includes julay.world or what? I'm kind of starting to like this new paradigm.

>>14608 I wonder what makes people think 8chan was less a honeypot then other chans? It's way easier for LEA to target 8chan with a lot of centralized boards on it than targeting multiple chans. 8chan was and still is a bad idea I wonder why people want it so much? The only think 8chan is good for is providing a way for people who shouldn't be admin to create their own board. And we all know how it ended up. And if people think newly created chans are honey pots why they don't they use the already established ones who were created years ago? I mean it's dumb to just say "those chans are honey pots" when the whole internet is under constant surveillance lol. (But hey I can't argue with boomers, who are now the vast majority of 8chan users)

>>14608 >https://anon.cafe/cyber/ Jesus, this is awlful. The CSS, the posts, the engine. What a sad thing.

Anyone else here from some hispanic country? I'm sick of our imageboards. From Hispachan to Wired-7, lolnada, Monstrochan or the chilenian soykafholes. There's not a single chan in my mother language worth it. Even Wired-7 which I expected to be a comfy and respectable chan turned out to be pure soykaf. The site administrator is an incompetent dumbass and I'm tired of trying. I'm really tired. I wish my English wasn't that bad so I could use English imageboards more often. It's sad I can't have a comfy, small and high quality chan in my own language.

>>14744 why not make it yourself then?

>>14744 The retardposting looks fancier in english, but you eventually realize those chans are doing nothing wrong. It is just the quality of posting that you can expect on a typical imageboard.

https://christchannel.xyz/ Seems to be a site full of Christians.

mewch.xyz is pretty good. It's a fan recreation of the original board. I know a lot of people hate mewch because of the constant spamming by its users back in 2018, but I like it so far.

Man, why are all those new chans using the .xyz nTLD? Is it because they are the cheapest?

Is einchan really dead? I can SSH into it, but the old password of 'ein' doesn't work anymore. I enjoyed einchan

>>14752 Password?

>>14744 Hispanic lainon here, i get what you mean. Hispachan killed the concept of good imageboards in spanish. We truly need to flip the page and create a new generation of spanish IBs. >Even Wired-7 which I expected to be a comfy and respectable chan turned out to be pure soykaf. I've been posting there for a while now. Yeah, the admin kinda is like kicking dead whales down the beach, but i'd say it's the best hispanic chan out there, at least for now. When are we going to create a new chan, lain?

http://4taba.net/ is shutting down. I really enjoyed the place.

>>14759 what do you mean? you don't need one

>>14761 not a spanish speaker, but did like the design of 7wired, what was wrong with it?

>>14402 This. >>14436 niconico is like an otaku youtube.

https://julay.world/ is one, but it seems to be a bunker board

>>14784 Not enough activity

Can someone clarify the recent split of 8chan bunkers into two camps: one call themselves webring, another one is federation?

>>14849 >webring Boards consisting of the original BOs and userbase, currently in a civil war as users from one place try to peer pressure users from the other to go their boards >federation Bunch of /b/ boards that decided to start attacking other boards that aren't associated with them by DDoSing

>>14850 Figured it out. The federation now officially call themselves Alternative Chan Alliance. Their headquarters: https://imageboard.net/ AltChan Sites: https://freech.net/ https://3dchan.net/ https://onee.ch/ https://xchan.wtf/ https://16chan.xyz/ https://christchannel.xyz/ https://spacechan.xyz/ The Webring Chans are their opposition, main interface difference are cross-linked board lists on each site. But unfortunately, no true federated redundancy like in NNTPchan which would be nice. They found out evil conspiracy of AltChan admins discussed in here: https://julay.world/cow/res/7486.html Webring sites: https://julay.world/ https://fatpeople.lol/index.html https://anon.cafe/ https://floridachan.com/ https://erischan.org/ https://smuglo.li/ https://late.city/ https://neinchan.com/ - not sure which camp it sides with, probably is a separate board.

Is arisuchan dead and burried?

>>14861 >be me >first discovers 8chan >8chan shuts down >time passes >discovers Arisuchan >Arisuchan fuarrrking dies a week or two later

>>14862 What happened to Arisuchan? I know there was some split between them and lainchan, but I'm not sure how long ago this was since I only drop by to both occasionally. I was browsing Arisuchan just 2 weeks ago and things seemed to be fine, with interesting topics slowly starting to get posted.

>>14862 >>14863 I thought you were just whining about the population, was on there myself a day or two ago. RIP

>>14863 from what I unserstood, some sperg was not happy about some discussions and spammed boards with stupid threads untill all the original ones were deleted. a day later mods finally deleted spam, but website had empty boards hanging there... Seph promissed to fixed everything but a day or two later just gave up.

I'm sad, and will miss /ru/ (even though it was mostly dead part of the website nobody actually asked for). and I don't know where to go now...

I'm just so disappointed that Arisuchan died not too long after I discovered it. I feel like every imageboard I come across outside of 4chan dies not too long afterwards. Hopefully the same doesn't happen to lainchan.

>>14863 >>14865 The sperg carpet-bombed the board with child porn yesterday. He had a point, but that's no way to act upon it.

>>14869 >>14867 Wow I posted there only a few days ago. F I hope the mods here are prepared for the exodus and consequent spam.

>>14865 >>14869 >>14870 RIP (officially?) I hope that autist gets anal herpes, along with anyone else that destroys information/discussion/culture. Why wasn't there any safeguard to prevent this?

>>14872 >Why wasn't there any safeguard to prevent this? How do you prevent this? Captchas?

>>14873 An archive of some sort at least, it doesn't need to be public. If storage is a problem, it can be stored only for a week or two before it's replaced with newer information. Even text-only would be better than nothing. I haven't found a FOSS captcha alternative, so if the autist comes back then I guess it would become a war of attrition.

>>14861 >>14865 >>14866 >>14867 >>14869 >>14870 >>14872 >>14874 As much as I mourn the apparent death of Arisuchan, shouldn't the question right now be "What do we do if this vandal turns his/her attention to lainchan?" They've just demonstrated the kind of havoc they can cause on a whim. Also, I'd like to mention that an apparently disturbed poster was also vowing to harm Seph physically as soon as he/she could locate her, so that could have something to do with it. Maybe I just don't have the stomach for administrating a place like that, but I can tell you that I would probably be looking for any excuse to take my leave if someone threatened me like that.

Any good /cyber/ chans?

>>14861 Can't say I will miss it but oh well. Never really took off RIP Arisu

>>14875 >"What do we do if this vandal turns his/her attention to lainchan?" Basically nothing. You'd have to block tor, you'd have to add captchas, you'd have to add accounts, you'd have to add session cookies, you'd have to add all the stuff that doesn't jive with the culture around here. >an apparently disturbed poster was also vowing to harm Seph physically I assume that's our guy. As a sidenote, I've already had to retype this because the admins have blindly prohibited *a tor exit node* from posting because of some dickhead 18 months ago. " Your ban was filed on Wednesday 4 July, 2018 and will not expire." If the admins can't keep up with a publicly-availaible list of exit nodes, this place is fuarrrked.

>>14878 Like I suggested here >>14874 there should be some sort of archive. Even if spam can't be prevented, at least the damage would be reversible.

https://ralee.org/ Thoughts on this place? It's an interesting take on BBS/Imageboard sites and looks really cute. Though it's a bit annoying to post in because of the way threads are set up. >>14875 Lainchan actually has an active modbase, there's been (very poor) attempts at CP spam and when I've reported it it actually gets taken down Arisuchan was just a insider trade of old Lainchan mods anyway, they neglected their own site and then wonder why people freaked it when they showed their faces Especially Seph because she had a personal discord where she'd only show up to beg for money and then fuarrrk off or so I'm told.

>>14879 That only mitigates the issue for users without doing anything about the game of whack-a-mole the admins would get shangaied into playing. I also think it might increase liability for the owner of the board. I've been thinking about rigging up my own service people would have to ssh into, and learned about ein.blue/ein.chan maybe a week ago. They seem to have been down for a while, what was that like ?

>>14878 >>14875 As far as I'm concerned I will avoid mentioning or bringing attention to this place, it's all one can do to delay the inevitable.

Was the spammer the "real rape of European women/children" guy who has been haunting several other Tor enabled imageboards for a while now? He's a fuarrrking plague.

>>14865 >Seph promissed to fixed everything but a day or two later just gave up. Apparently she was to busy playing VRchat.

>>14878 When you see that type of thing, put in a request to be underezzed, or mention it in a /q/ thread. Things do fall through the cracks. I have a script that I use to check against a list of tor nodes, however, mistakes do happen. I, or another mod, will check our derezzed list against the list when one of us has an opportunity to.

>>14890 >to busy Too* The server crashed and nobody made backups so boards got wiped. People were upset, someone spammed a bunch of cheese pizza, then seph closed posting. Now nobody wants to take care of the website and just let it die, thats the story; Theres your drama. Nobody gives a fuarrrk about it, and really who actually cares anyways?

>>14859 >3dchan What da fak?

>>14861 I hope so. That place is a cancer hole.

>>14876 /cyber/ is back on 8kun but it's pretty dead. I am looking for some alternatives but didn't found anything like the old /cyber/ yet.

>>14894 >>>Ω/res/17698

>>14881 >what was that like ? It was dead but the software is alright, although writing messages directly was a pain because the arrow keys don't work and you can't edit the previous lines once you hit return. The rare people that used to post there were pretty cool too. There's also that software if you're interested in ssh textboards, imo it looks better than einchan but the navigation is way more cumbersome; never understood how it works. https://github.com/whisperchan/cursedboard >>14880 >https://ralee.org/ It looks good but I never got how you were supposed to quote someone since there aren't any post numbers. I wish it had sjis tags too.

>>14896 anon.cafe has a /cyber/ board with the old css and all, could try posting there personally i wouldn't touch 8kun with a 10 foot pole especially now

https://wirechan.org and https://www.4kev.org are little cyber themed imageboards as well.

>>14909 Thanks man, whisperchan looks like it's going to force me to rub a couple braincells together to figure it out.

>>14350 "Uncensorable" and it uses CloudFlare, the God of censorship. Kinda ironic JS

>>14932 No, it uses Vanvatech and is located in Russian datacenters.

>>14933 I mean this

>>14932 Cloudflare "god of censorship"? Lol no, they just derezzed like 4 or 5 websites in all cloudflare lifetime and it always was racist folks hiding behind "meh free speech". The other websites they derezzed were using crypto miners (coinhive). I mean, you have to host a super cancerous website to get derezzed from cloudflare; even lulzsec were not derezzed lol. It's not even censorship, they just refused to work with them; they are free to find another ddos protection/etc or even do their own.

>>14936 Have you ever tried to enter a CF protected website with Tor? That's censorship. https://0x0.st/zI7s

>>14938 It's the admin choice to block Tor, not Cloudflare..

>>14938 I had several websites behind Cloudflare DNS and you can let Tor users view your website if you want. It's your own choice. If an admin chose to block Tor users because of spam, that's not censorship.

>>14946 Fair enough. It was only one an example and a bad one at that. A lot still stands. >>14949 It's fast and it looks nicer. Can you blame me?

>>14936 >banning sites because of racism >banning sites because of crypto mining >thinking that's ok Jesus. I don't even know what to say.

>14952 Yes, it is Ok.. Cloudflare is a private company, they can chose if you deserve the right to use their services. It's not censorship as they don't block your from user other services or even do your own cloudflare-clone company. You also absolutely don't need cloudflare to host a website... I mean, I started being an admin in the early 2000s back when cloudflare wasn't around... You're just copy-pasting what you heard on the internet: "meh cloudflare bad, meh private companies aren't allowed to ban me from using their services" It's like if you went inside a restaurant, took a dump on the floor, and the staff asked you to leave.

>>14952 >>14952 i dont know why your complaining, people mostly used coinhive for cryptojacking, and the few that did get derezzed was for actual advocating of genocide, not just racism. the only thing they really do is ddos prevention and load balancing. they dont actually do much to be honest

>>14960 I mean.. Cloudflare does have a real harassment problem towards non Cloudflare users. Going by that logic I'm sure they would if they could. Who knows if they don't already do. Harassment is only one of many things Cloudflare is doing behind the curtains. There's also doxxing, and again censor. Refer to the unnecessarily short link I posted in. >>14938

>>14961 I just like freedom, my dude.

>>14962 How do you think Cloudflare is "harassing" anyone? lol Grow up and stop reading bs on social medias.

>>14975 please stop typing lol and using acronyms to get your point across, you're not integrating well and not proving your point

>>14960 Back in early 2000's every ISP had a caching proxy, so in case of high traffic towards your website, you wouldn't even notice it since your pages were stored in multiple places around the world already. Then everyone started looking for "security" and other problems, notion gently pushed by Google's SEO rating racket and greedy certificate authorities: your site is served over http despite not having any sensitive information, user interaction forms, just a simple page? To hell with you. The actual non-retarded solution floated around the corner for a very long time, the cryptographic signatures: http://pebble.ink/~imt/2014/12/08/signing-all-pages-with-gnupg.html Now back to https. As you might have pondered, it's quite a task to be a load-balancing middleman in user-website encryption channel world, quite literally impossible without breaking it's whole purpose. So the caching proxies naturally died of starving. Then what did replace them yo ask? Lains and gentoolmen, I'm proud to present you content delivery networks, the King is dead, long live the Republic! Content Delivery Network is a marketing term for centralized caching proxy server, it does the same thing with extra caveats: - it still can modify page contents - it can decide who is allowed to see the website - it can decide which website is allowed to exist and which doesn't - website owner has to pay it to distribute site's pages - due to it's commercial and centralized nature, it further increases it's oligopoly onto everyone accepting it's racket rules - most notable of them, Cloudflare also owns a DNS server to collect access metadata on the rest 20% of websites that don't use it's caching services

>>14977 I think the other lain was talking strictly about censorship. But yeah CDNs are fuarrrking awful. Were they really necessary to establish the internet as is? It was really all about serving https certificates?

>>14975 If screenshots and stories from multiple individuals and from multiple sources isn't proof, then I must be foolish. Also I don't use social media.

>>14605 8ch/cyber was 水水水

>>14762 It's back up at http://4taba2.net, it's a bit slower since some users didn't get the message though so only use it if you're a cool dude

>>14878 Couldn't we implement a system similar to what forensic analyst tools use where they auto-detect items which may be CP? Then have a janny set to approve/disapprove items which fall under that category, in case an image is wrongfully flagged as illegal content?

>>15198 You could swamp the jannies in cartel execution pictures and completely burn them out after a couple weeks. There's no fix for people being cunts. That's why I've been looking into ssh boards lately. No pictures, no links unless your terminal picks them up.

>>15200 >That's why I've been looking into ssh boards lately. like tilde.club? the sites on those all link to Mastodon, not sure if I enjoy that kind of community

>>15201 I don't know about tilde.club specifically, but I have accounts on a handful of similar boxes outside the tildeverse that foster their own microcommunities, with local irc channels, board and stuff. It's nice and all, but not a replacement for a public board. What I'll eventually do is host my own soykaf at home as an onion service on a raspberry pi. Roll my own board that'd support markdown, make people ssh into it, let them set their terminfo right and choose whether they'd rather drop to vi or nano to compose their posts, and then let things happen.

>>15202 Can you even talk about things other than programming in there? It hurts to have relatively non-techie interests and hating social media at the same time.

>>15203 What are you interested in? I’m not as tech-obsessed as probably most here are (which is cool, I get exposure to things I normally wouldn’t here) so I can sort of relate.

>>15204 I would love to run a comfy sfw board focused on user-made content like >/na/ photos of nature and animals. >/mov/ everything video, cool unedited footage as well as cinematography and movie projects. >/b&w/ monochrome only. >/w/ short fiction and poetry, quest-like threads etc. >/campfire/ space to tell horror stories and creepypastas. And a couple obscure boards that would be even emptier. Only original content, no advertising / external content or links (this is a tough one but I dislike when sites about something like photography become aggregators of links/downloads/gear talk, since it takes the focus away from content creation). The problem is I don't know how much it would cost / if I could meet the costs for the hosting/storage since I'm as broke as it gets, and since it would have to be visual instead of text-based I wouldn't want to deal with porn, gore and worse.

>>15206 >no external content, no off-site links That's the thing I want.

Are there any good communities for personal aesthetics out there? It doesn't need to be a chan per se. 4chan's /fa/ is a nightmare; I legitimately don't understand how its quality can be so poor, in terms of both style and discussion. Reddit's fashion and beauty communities have yet to impress me (/r/skincareaddiction is ok, but I think they're possibly too gullible regarding new products and such). I've appreciated basenotes.net for fragrance discussion, but I'd like to expand beyond fragrances. Different YouTube channels are, as always, hit or miss. What is the lainchan equivalent in this space (high quality, but not immediately discoverable)?

>>15615 Why not get magazines?

>>15617 I was under the impression that magazines were basically just collections of ads. Also, I'm looking to discover the underlying principles of personal beauty and presentation, not to follow trends necessarily. Maybe post some examples of these "magazines" for me to look into?

>>15618 If you are not interested in trends (which is most of fashion inevitably) you could study classical art and neoclassicism, since it's what comes closest to the essential principles of human beauty according to Western standards. I would also take a look at traditional clothes in the world. Time is a powerful force, and things that can stand the test of time and look tasteful to your modern eyes must have tapped into some essential idea of beauty. You won't be able to use them directly, but you'll have a clearer idea of what you could do with the resources you have today. Researching historical clothes is a foundation of costume design, so something about my idea should be right.

>>14890 That's hilarious

https://dollars-bbs.org http://dollarseraw6lxja.onion

>>15656 what's the password, I tried or '1' = '1 and it won't let me in.

>>15657 >>15656 Nevermind im in

Don't know if this was posted here before: http://sonzaishinaiworld.heliohost.org/ english version of Ayashii World, arguably the first anonymous textboard from Japan created back in 1996. Not really active, it's very comfy tho.

Does anyone know where /fringe/ from 8ch bunkered down? The big boards got pulled into the Webring, but there were lots of boards that I fear were permanently shoah'd. Any info about what happened to /fringe/ would be appreciated.

>>16099 8kun

>>16120 Not the person that you're replying to but I just checked and it's not on 8kun, it's not even on julay

>>16120 When you purposefully mislead people, it can make them upset. Even if they said something that offended you, it's still a rude and passive aggressive thing to do!

>>16099 There's a lively r/fringe board. Try asking there.

>>16124 What chan is it on?

>>14875 Seph literally gave up because of ONE cp pic, and because of manual spam (manually creating threads, filling up the catalogue of all boards, so only spam threads remained). If anyone was a little qualified, it could've been stopped. Goes to show that nobody gives a fuarrrk, and nobody gave a fuarrrk, Seph only cared about extracting money from gullible tards way too into Lain anime. Pulling this on lainchan.org is much more difficult, and I probably couldn't do it, plus I dont want to. >>14875 >poster was also vowing to harm Seph physically as soon as he/she could locate her Seph's whereabouts and almost all information that could be realistically obtained is already in possession of that poster. It helped that Seph is really quite an attentionwhore, and takes matters of security lightly, especially for an admin of 'le epic cyberpunk haxxor imageboard' >>14872 It wasn't me who turned arisu to soykaf, it was their insane admin and her clique of trannies. I just pushed their soykaf it a little, accelerated it. All I wanted was some justice, some transparency and some decency for posters involved. But they kept deleting all posts and opinions that didnt align with their official communist party line.

>>15201 Problem with Fediverse is that it has persistent identity. Feature that I really enjoy about image boards is interacting with people without any persistent identifier.

>>14364 Terrorists aren't real. When they are they don't have a tactical reason to warn people with soykafposts before attacking.

Blockchan fuarrrking suggests using Brave browser, suggests using proton mail and suggests using proton VPN it's a fuarrrking honeypot of honeypots jesus christ

I can't believe Tohno chan is still around. They started around 2007 or 2008, I think? In the beginning they were hosted on imageboard for free, ib4f.com or something like that. When that site predictably went belly up they moved to their own server. Tohno has always been an extremely depressing community so I'm surprised the board is still active. It's a good thing though, means the people behind it are still alive.

There was an image board written in Lua that's only accessible via tor, does anyone have the link?

https://cirnochan.net/ This is a new board I recently discovered after someone spammed it, and I think it has potential so I started browsing it. It doesn't have any history or an identity yet, it's eventual board culture will depend on the posts that get made on it in the next couple of months. So far there's like 3-4 anons that check it every day

>>16629 Just by glancing at their homepage and their rules page I have to say that they are doomed just like most of these smaller imageboards which think that it's cool not have any rules or moderation because "lole we're just as edgy as 4ch/8ch but with even less rules". Surprisingly many imageboards fall under this idiotic category for some reason. Also I dislike that they use lynxchan but that's a minor pet peeve of mine. I suspect that they will die off within a year or less, partly because of what I said and also partly because of the way they try to present themselves, i.e. spamming other places on the internet. This could be said for most of these smaller imageboards. I'd also like to add that anytime I see "someone" (the admin usually) spam these smaller imageboards I immediately expect them to be garbage (and I've yet to be proven wrong) and I suspect that the administrator doesn't care much about the imageboard because if they did they would cough up some money in order to buy ad space on 4ch/8ch/420ch.

>>16630 Yeah, this is becoming a pattern. The same two or three admins put up a stock Lynxchan install every few weeks on a new *chan domain, make a /b/ board, wage slave the place aggressively on other imageboards with the promise of free speech, and then take it down as soon as it turns to soykaf. Rinse and repeat.

>>16631 I fully agree but how are you measuring it? I just count the number of "glitterboy" in the most recent posts. More than 2 and I know I am in a worthless board if that is how it's starting

>>16643 I measure it by self imposed moral judges that add nothing of value to the board but judge others on how they contribute to it.

>>16644 But those "contributions" are generally what makes an imageboard bad. I don't necessarily measure the quality of an imageboard like >>16643 does but it's one of many indicators that the community of said imageboard is garbage if ad hominems are part of their culture. I'd rather have someone make a fool out of me in an argument than screech nigger or other retarded memes that come from 4chan.

>>16653 Measure sounds too formal, it's more about those things we tend to notice from a quick glance. Like you said, ad hominems are a signal that a nascent imageboard is crap for me too. "Funposting" is not fun or interesting for me so if that's what the site is showcasing what I should do is avoid.

Is there any chan with good /int/? I am not looking on kohlchan, because I am aspie, and moderators of it said that it isn't autism group therapy and they want to make it second reddit.

>>16815 They become mini /b/s real quick so no.

>>16815 it wouldn't be /int/ if it were good try ernstchan maybe

>>16815 Hide retards by keywords they say and most annoying countryballs using dollchan script, use catalog only and attend at CET evening hours. All modern day /int/'s are populated by same idiots who pretend they exercise ye olde krautchan culture, strongly excepting 4chan where it's just a bunch of language-specific political chatrooms for those who don't have their own national imageboards.

What are chans with highest activity that allow posting trough Tor and don't require javashit? 8kun and julay seem most active at this moment but I wonder if there is anything else.

>>16895 I'm working on this very sort of project. An easy-to-install-and-run message board server intended for use as a tor hidden service, with a frontend entirely in plain html/css - no javascript whatsoever. It understands regular markdown. By default it allows for anonymous posting (no captchas, no registration), but it can also be restricted to either self-registered posters (just username and password, no email) or approved-by-the-admin posters. It doesn't do file/image uploads. I'm not sure I'm going to add that capability or write a separate server program dedicated to secure anonymous file uploads and direct linking within posts (again without any javascript). Personally I like the idea of modularity and keeping them as separate server programs but we'll see. I still need to stamp out a few bugs, verify that inputs are properly sanitized before they're committed to the database, and finish the admin interface. I should have it out in a week or so. It has no insane runtime dependencies or complex installation process (up yours, pleroma!), it's written in Go and compiles down to a single static binary that creates its own key-value database file with default config values on the first run. Of course it's under the AGPL, my favourite pro-citizenry anti-vulture-capitalist license.

>>16932 >It doesn't do file/image uploads. I'm not sure I'm going to add that capability or write a separate server program dedicated to secure anonymous file uploads and direct linking within posts (again without any javascript). Personally I like the idea of modularity and keeping them as separate server programs but we'll see. If you ever do allow images you'll have to implement some sort of CAPTCHA or otherwise people will spam CP from Tor exit nodes. 8kun has a system in place where you have to solve a CAPTCHA every 24 hours (if you clear your cookies it resets). >An easy-to-install-and-run message board server intended for use as a tor hidden service, with a frontend entirely in plain html/css - no javascript whatsoever. It understands regular markdown. So no automatic thread updates?

Are there any christian boards or chans besides 8kun's /christian/ and christchannel? The issue with /christian/ is that there's no basic quality moderation. See cherry-picked examples below (note the dates): https://8kun.top/christian/res/828355.html https://8kun.top/christian/res/819009.html https://8kun.top/christian/res/820830.html https://8kun.top/christian/res/821112.html https://8kun.top/christian/res/792698.html https://8kun.top/christian/res/825204.html https://8kun.top/christian/res/825581.html https://8kun.top/christian/res/825773.html https://8kun.top/christian/res/823136.html

>>17055 I never understood why people would go to places like 4/8 websites to preach and discuss Christianity, a place full of school shooter wannabes and harass and dox people doesn't seem like a christlike place idk maybe i'm dumb.

>>17056 used to browse there on 8ch and it's basically larpers wannabes screaming about how trans people and anime has ruined the world, they are just the same as they would be on other boards, its just for containment

>>14960 >Cloudflare is a private company, they can chose if you deserve the right to use their services. While it is fair for a person to be able to choose with whom he does business, it is paramount that he is honest about how he chooses. It's not reasonable to allow this choice to be arbitrary. If it's a large enough business, there's probably some employee who's willing to deal with unsavory clients. The only time it's reasonable for someone to not serve a client when the client is not someone who is meets the server's published criteria of who the server doesn't serve. is if none of the employees want to deal with that client. >It's like if you went inside a restaurant, took a dump on the floor, and the staff asked you to leave. This analogy fails on a few points. First, a restaruant has few employees. Most restaurants will have 0 employees that are willing to deal with floorshitting. Second, floorshitting damages the restaurant: someone's going to have to clean up the mess, and most restaurant clients prefer to go to restaurants where people don't soykaf on the floor. But, it doesn't fail on my point about being explicit of how they choose who to serve. This is such a clear-cut case, that they should be able to just say that they don't server floorshitters. It doesn't have to be phrased so unappealingly. It could be phrased ``we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, including but not limited to ... people that create hygienic hazards ...'' Of course, if it's a large business, the ``anyone'' part is not acceptable, because that means they can be racist, sexist, or otherwise falsly discriminaatory, without specifying that they're falsely discriminatory. CudFare is large enough that arbitrarily denying service is unacceptable. >>14615 >why people want [8ch] so much? The same reason they hate the ``fuarrrk your face'' book: convenience over quality. >>14867 I bet all the spooks are watching you to see which boards to crack next. Soon, it won't even be a day since you arrive that they'll crack it. Eventually, they'll start predicting which chans you'll probably find, and by the time you find them, they'll already have crack them. It's a catch-22: you like good boards, so you get good at finding good boards. They see that you're visiting all the good boards they wanna crack, so they crack wherever you go. Eventually, they get better at predicting which good board you'll find than you are at finding those good boards. You'll live forever transient. It's a catch-22, the only catch you'll ever need. I saw this recently: https://github.com/gulkily/hike https://github.com/gulkily/hike2 The idea is that each post is a PGP clearsigned message; you ``register'' by posting your pubkey. You reply to a post by mentioning the hash of what you're replying to. If you enable ECMAScript, it's done automatically, but you can do it manually. >>16086 >sonzaishinai Really slow. I like it. Calm. >>15206 I'd lurk that. I like creative writing, so I might post in that /w/. I'm also a hardass about good taste---can post constructive criticism.

>>17056 >I never understood why people would go to places like 4/8 websites to preach and discuss Christianity If people understood Christ's message in the first place, those are exactly where they would go online. Jesus was asked why he hung with whores, thieves and men who collected taxes for the Roman oppressors. He said because it's the sick who require a doctor, not the healthy. The true Christian would plunge right into a place full of sin with the intent of helping people there. Most people who call themselves Christians now don't understand that, and the ones who go online to "trigger" atheists are the worst for it. The ones who do it on 4chan are probably not believers anyway, just trollololols.

>>17056 >I never understood why people would go to places like 4/8 websites to preach and discuss Christianity It's honestly mostly either trolling or stamp collecting. There are probably christians who'd correctly argue that I'm wrong, but I've reached the conclusion that everyone nowadays somewhat knows of the Lord, and that further preaching can only properly occur in particular circumstances where the person is receptive, and anything else is just shouting at the wind. The other lad sounds like a better christian than me tho, so you should probably listen to him.

>>17057 >it's basically larpers wannabes screaming about how trans people and anime has ruined the world they're just schizos, don't worry about them.

Kohlchan.net/int/ 8chan.moe 9chan.tw

>>17067 9chan.tw's rules are terrible. The rules they've made </terms-of-service.html> are basically ``follow US law,'' but they're stricter than US law. i.e. They're erring on the side of the present state of the US government. If something is a law, then there should be no reason to make an additional rule about it. What they should have done is emphasize the fact that certain activities are illegal according to US law, or that certain user activity may endanger the service. If they really want to be explicit and exact about which legislature they would like their users to consider, they should post the legislature (i.e. copies of, not only (but also (for readers to more easily be convinced of the veracity of those data) with) pointers to), and relevant discussion. thus they wouldn't be making redundant rules that shall probably continue after the external tyrranies are reduced. No, making a rule requiring users to abide by US law is not much better. It's probably worse, because eventuallly, the US won't be the powerful worldwide tyrant that they are today, at which time it will be unnecessarily granting the US arbitrary power over whoever made such a rule. For example, a US government might pass a law requiring that particular entity . Basically, a rule that requires general accordance with what some external, uncontrollable entity chooses, a choice that, eventually, becomes whim. (That lainchan doesn't have such a dangerous rule is, among other factors, why I have continued to participate in these discussions on lainchan.) >You are granting us with a non-exclusive, permanent, irrevocable, unlimited license to use, publish, or re-publish your Content in connection with the Service. You retain copyright over the Content. i.e. They can do anything with the data you give them. They should only require enough to display it in it's proper context; if they want more, they can try negotiating a special license. That's that, but there's also: >These terms may be changed at any time without notice. Really, this means that they can do anything, rendering any published rules moot. e.g. They might have their system set up so that they, when someone is about to download their rules, they change them to something that might look respectable, send publish those rules, and then immediately change them back to ``we do whatever we want because we can'' vel cetera. Practically, a person might become suspicious of them if they do something egregiously contrary to his interpretation of their published policy, so their actions would have to be in a tolerable deviation of the extpectation of the interpretations

>>17068 Have you considered they follow US law because they dont want to get arrested and shut down?

>>17066 >don't worry about them Perhaps Lain meant we wouldn't have to before. Remember the containment chamber in Ghostbusters getting shut down? The end of 8chan had a similar result on the entire internet.

>>17069 That's not the point. If it's already a law, then there's no reason to make it a site rule. And if it's required to make such redundant rules, then that's another way that they're overextending their (false) authority. Maybe think about what you read before responding.

>>16086 If you are interested in text boards you can come in here. This was a text board I started for Indians. However even after 6 months, it's still inactive other than two or three regulars. I'm considering expanding the target audience as a result. https://108ch.cf

>>15657 >>15656 Whatever the password is it's not in cracklib-small.

>>17106 Stop embarrassing yourself, newfriend.

>>14913 I find it funny when I see cyberpunk themed imageboard where they sperg about FOSS and similar privacy related topics and yet they either block tor posting or they treat tor users as second class citizens, e.g. you can't attach any documents or enable js in order to solve captcha.

>>17118 Enabling tor posts with images guarantees being bombed with cp. only remedy is become hidden service or block tor image posts.

>>17120 I rarely see spam on lainchan.

>>17134 >rarely see spam on lainchan That's odd, I often see spam on lainchan; It never lasts: that's what's nice about active moderation---unless the moderation is inappropriate, but that rarely happens on lainchan.

Is there any IB for discussing anime that isn't 4chan or 8chan that possibly have support in kuroba or dashchan as well as have posting through tor and sufficient traffic and activity?

>>14355 Mootykins? >actually he was seventeen Nevermind.

>>16099 >/fringe/ good question that I'd also like an answer to

failureforums.ddns.net My little thing, went online today. Still not quite finished and a bit unstable, but you may want to check it out. Sorry if this is annoying.

>>17224 >>16099 The smaller boards mostly just went to the bunker of the motherboard they had initially sprang from or died. Try the 8/x/ bunker on the webring, it might be depressing but it's all that exists now. I miss /occult/

>>17134 >>17118 Freedom expression can't handle itself. You'd have to go on zeronet to avoid admins chimping out, the apply captcha. Lain's not meant for such fun. Nowhere is, not even zeronet. Last I tried to post on millhouse chan or whatever it refused to let me post.

>>17134 >>17118 File wasn't detected because I scrolled up too far. Image meant to be posted here: >>17246

>>14961 Because it's stupid, blocking and banning text on a website because they are subjectivity or even objectively wrong means that you are dictating the way the users have to think. That contradicts any kind of freedom. As long as no one is harming anyone and it isn't cp it should be fine.

>>17258 >Because it's stupid, blocking and banning text on a website because they are subjectivity or even objectively wrong means that you are dictating the way the users have to think. >it isn't cp it should be fine. You're fine dictating what people should see unless it goes against your delicate sensibilities. Your position is self-contradictory.

>>17263 Well I wouldn't really mind even cp but we all know what happens if that is allowed as well.

There have been a lot of attempts to have a "true freedom" site with no rules at all and no "censorship". Every single one of them was soykaf. It's time to learn the lesson.

Can someone reccomend a chan with a sports board?

Can someone reccomend a chan without nsfw?

>>17331 B-but.. That´s the best part of chans...

>>17332 Im catholic and im tired of seeing this type of thing in almost every board that i acess in chans.

Seems there is still a lot of things a chan could do, given how there are apparently no good alternatives for most recommendation questions asked here

>>14350 >7clams In any other circumstance I'd beat the living hell out of you for sharing that one in such a crowded mainstream place full of normal people, but since owner mario'd it down for cpam it's okay.

>>14753 Cheapest, and it's easy to find a good domain unlike com/net/org which are pretty picked over

https://yuichan.org/ It's a new one that just got up and running

>>17410 It's actually pretty great, even if you hate their politics. It's fuсkin raucous in there. Not the typical sjw/bodies and spaces/wokey woke crowd. Just a bunch of raving tankies with incomprehensible memes. I dunno, I had fun. Give it a try, what could go wrong?

>>17411 maybe it should try to be more original then ripping off lainchan rules and having dumb rules such as "this website is an ANIME WEBSITE", seems to be made by a manchild

>>17423 >maybe it should try to be more original then ripping off lainchan rules What's the issue with that?

>>17411 >11) Yuichan is an ANIME WEBSITE. This is not up for debate, even on hobby/interest boards. Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! This is hilarious to me. The mood has changed to the point now some feel the need to explicitly state this. Well, that's better than collecting users and trying to pretend it was always the case. It's a nice warning, and I'll heed it.

We are probably never going to get along with each other on the wired and that's fine.

>>17446 >>17446 I recently upscaled this classic image (might even hang it on my wall). I think the maxim will always hold truth. The way I interpret it is that real life is fleeting and that any arguments you have online, no matter how serious, are really just ephemeral. However, it can still be a fun and informative pastime if we don't take it too seriously, but we can still always make fun of the people who inevitably do.

>>17453 >However, it can still be a fun and informative pastime if we don't take it too seriously, but we can still always make fun of the people who inevitably do. I'd like to think that way too. I don't know why but 3-4 years ago arguing over philosophy and politics used to be informative and enjoyable, as it tried my understanding of the world and helped me to see things from multiple points of view. Unfortunately, however, I see more and more of the disrespectful, quick tempered, petty and hit-and-run-one-liner kind of arguing that gets too personal, derails conversations (just like this one) and just generally makes you feel soykafty even if you're just a passive observer. Maybe it's time for me to move on to greener pastures...

>>17457 Shit does suck, not every argument on the internet can be quality. But even if it feels like everything is giving way to entropy, in-depth and quality discussions can still show up in the most unexpected places (I found some today on a few topics I hadn't seen sensibly discussed in ages). In a perfect world, the internet still wouldn't suck an we would all have great conversational partners right at our fingertips. But I don't think it does us any good to get frustrated if we look and fail to find any engaging discussion these days. In that moment I think it helps to get into slower-paced, introspective activities like reading, writing, or just actively engaging in any sort of art or learning. Passive enjoyment of media is also still much better than frying your dopamine circuits by scrolling through the same few websites in endless search and frustration.

>>17459 >Shit does suck, not every argument on the internet can be quality. >But I don't think it does us any good to get frustrated if we look and fail to find any engaging discussion these days. Yeah, I know, and I try to take those as learning experiences too, by reflecting on how I could've handled things differently etc. Sometimes when I'm criticized for something I posted, I try to ask them directly what it is that upset them, but more often than not it ends in a response like >u r dumb kys and that doesn't exactly give you a chance to reflect on what you did wrong now, does it? Sure, I can brush it off as "tards being tards" and eventually move on, but I'd be lying if I were to say that it didn't affect me at some level.

>>17462 The internet is a fundamentally poisoned communication medium. It's not necessarily something inherent in either user; it's inherent in the network itself. Sometimes the message is the medium. You can't have much more than ѕһіtfights online. I've had discussions I thought were profound, but when placed beside irl conversations they kind of lose their sparkle. Our new technological media are being sold as faster and massively efficient, even richer—but in reality they are only cheaper. They are impoverished, and I think that affects us more than we yet realize.

>>14350 >/m/ Does that stand for mecha?

>>17331 >>17333 I'm not a Christian but this sentiment is so rare on the Internet in general that my first thought was "I don't remember typing this". It doesn't really matter where you go especially on social media and chans, you'll have conversations with people whose other 15 browsers tabs open are porn. Nobody gives a soykaf about SFW as a non-smokers' area of the smokers' club. SFW just means "I can't look at porn right now", and people will still inject as much porn and gross sexual soykaf in the conversation as the boundaries allow. If they can post images, they will post technically-not-porn-but-porn until it's finally acceptable to post porn. They're like the fuarrrking Borg, they assimilate. Unless the board is very specific like Lainchan in a way that leaves little room for porn, you're pretty much fuarrrked. Most of it is up to the mods of the specific website. There are SFW only boards if you look but if you want a different attitude rather than just the absence of pornography you're going to have a hard time.

>>17411 >Those of you who are astute will recongnize that most of these rules are either paraphrased or repeated verbatum from Lainchan.org's rules. We at Yuichan believe that it's an effective model for running a unique imageboard. I agree that it's an effective model but it's only effective if it's implemented (or in this case enforced by the mods). For example >2) You should always elaborate on your opinions instead of spilling the tea. Yet most thread from what I've seen on /fun/ and /sys/ are spilling the soykaf.

Is there a chan that has an active /tg/ board, possibly one that isn't infested with fetish threads? Extra points for no edgy politics boards, no porn boards site-wide or at least kept to a minimum or in a way they don't spill over the other boards.

what happened to systemspace.link there was a board on there that was sort of cool aesthetically

Hello. I made a new comfy small chan which is using jschan, new alpha imageboard software. Only posting this on a few sites to keep things comfy. Come check it out if you'd like :) https://zchan.cc

>>17524 Rumors says it almost went Jonestown.

>>17524 We’re still around, we’ve splintered off into smaller communities. The leader, Tsuki, decided he didn’t want anything to do with it anymore so he purged as much as he could and dropped contact with everyone. We didn’t Jonestown, suicide is still strongly discouraged. systemspace.life

>>17539 got an error trying to sign up, would like to try and reconnect with some of yall. Number 373 or so here

>>17540 oh, sup, owner of miniwatrix here (aka miniwa) go back to the page for further instructions, please. (you might need to clear your cache) broke the register page like a fuarrrking idiot few days ago, hah.

>>16086 It’s gone now

>>16815 No and I'd rather see kohl dead than keep seeing it on the state it is right now. It's like experiencing your local comfy pub turned into a crack den. There is no way for it to recover as the admin and m*ds simply don't care, so enjoy the blogposting, the mental illness, the same two or three spammers continuously making absolutely abhorrent threads, the pedophiles, and so on. I could write an essay on how /int/ was born and what gradually killed it. But I'd rather just cherish the memories and move on. The magic of 08 to 13 is gone and will never come back.

I made a little non-javascript textboard at http://cchan.cba.pl. Let me know what you think

I've had a (very) local small imageboard for a few years (that is now down, because didn't bother to pay for the servers), I have been thinking about making an /int/ board for the next iteration.

meguca has moved to another domain https://shamik.ooo/all/

>>17530 Please come comfypost! https://zchan.cc

>>17617 Well it’s back now

samachan.org and nordchan are ded. I'm sad though I didn't use the latter. >>17411 I hate that it shares a UI with bunkerchan, I'll never unsee this. >>17067 I don't know why anyone would want to frequent KC/int/. It's better than 4/b/ and 4/int/ but those bars are already incredibly low. >>16631 yes this is my least favorite trend that I also see way, way too much. If /b/ is a top 3 board nowadays it's doomed for failure. >>17662 It's perfect. >>17667 I'm a bit clueless. What is/was meguca and how is it so fast on this site? Is it a bot training ground?

https://8chnl.net Tor: http://eightchgaw4nnxcn66nszcgxzzvpjxnlfdv7djaxx5tcw25xlpyfjaqd.onion/

Is there any board that doesn't suck?

>>17928 It would need a crazy moderation effort and very motivated users to pull off, so no. Lainchan and sushi are as good as it gets for imageboards I think.

>>17928 Yes, if you can handle the slow speed of things

>>17924 Former NC user here. Shame it ended that early. I think it was down to the lack of userbase and some problem with paying the bills. Luckily the owner has backups, so someone could resurrect it.

I don't understand the motivation behind listing a bunch of different chans, most of them are dead anyway. Sure, you can scavenge for some gems in there, but from my experience it's mostly a waste of time.

>>17931 >[A board that doesn't suck] would need a crazy moderation effort A crazy moderation effort ruins it's domain. >[A board that doesn't suck] would need ... motivated users If healthsome participation is easier than illsome participation, then only participants motivated to participate illsomely, or adamantine idiots, shall participate illsomely. If illsome participation is easier than healthsome participation, then only participants motivated to participate healthsomely, or adamantine idiots, shall participate healthsomely. How to: ease healthsome participation?, motivate participants thither?; abstrait illsome participation?, restivate participants thence?; preserving pseudonymity. >[A board that doesn't suck] would need a crazy moderation effort and very motivated users False. (See above.)

they literally stole the css from systemspace and changed a small bit of it to try and look like theyre not leeching off of it also the tryhard nazi larping is cringe

>>18002 What's the url? First time hearing about it.

>yuichan Nice threads. Despite captcha, no TOR posting. Sorry.

>>17951 I don't bother looking at those with anime names because they're full of weebs I don't even click on onions, I don't even want to see what I imagine is there I fuarrrking hate the "comfy" ones because it's always a bunch of creeps acting "comfy" The ones that don't cater to the absolute worst aspects of humanity are dead I'm unironically thinking of gritting my teeth and making a Reddit account.

>>18008 >The ones that don't cater to the absolute worst aspects of humanity are dead Examples?

>>18010 off the top of my head, late.city

>>18002 >they literally stole the css from systemspace and changed a small bit of it to try and look like theyre not leeching off of it zero problems there

>>18008 Perhaps such a sophisticated vaginaperson like you would adore crystal.cafe imageboard.

>>18025 this

>>18025 And every time I criticize this culture, someone calls me a tranny. Like clockwork, people just type down stereotypes when they disagree. 99% of the discussions I still have are like this >you must be a communist >you must be an incel Nazi >you must be a tranner >you must be an anime fan >you must be a fundamentalist Christian >you must be a fedora-tipping atheist This is exactly the kind of stuff I hate and the entire internet is entirely about this

>>18029 Is complaining about everyone constructive? Criticism is not "i dont like it". Its taking apart things and reasoning in detail why its bad. And you complain here about stereotypes when you used weebs yourself as the reason.

>>18025 > crystal.cafe Thanks for linking to a nicer community lol btw if you believe any of these people are women, you are delusional. This is all role-play for sure.

>>18029 Yeah. The internet fundamentally does this to our communication and relationships. This is why it's doomed. There is no world in which the internet or any form of hypercommunity can be re-tuned or improved and actually foster good thought or connections or do anything other than become a hideous static that takes up precious space in our minds. It must be destroyed if we are to progress past this false end of history we've trapped ourselves in. The internet is anti-memetic and devours mind

Does anybody remember 4chon.net(.NOT hoho!)? The exile for people so awful even 4chan didn't want to have them. We were few and after 4chon even fewer. I know at least 2 found refuge here, some in Steam, some in telegram, here and there. It's been tough. The best guys are gone, 2 of them dead already. It's tough, man, it's very tough.

>>18030 > And you complain here about stereotypes when you used weebs yourself as the reason. I am not complaining about stereotypes which usually exist for a reason, I am complaining about throwing buzzwords at people instead of arguments as a rebuttal. Like, if right now, I told you >you must be a butthurt weeb! Because you called me out on my use of the word. See? If your "comfy" board is called senpaichan.moe and every poster attaches those annoying anime avatars to his posts about lonely he is without his underage 2D waifu, I can safely assume your site will be full of creepy obnoxious weeaboos. >Is complaining about everyone constructive? Criticism is not "i dont like it". I said exactly why I don't like it. I miss when communities were actually about something instead of reactionary covens that only exist so that you can do what you cannot do on the main general channels. I want communities, not containment zones for soykafty behavior or degeneracy.

>>18035 >If I whine about "creepy obnoxious weeaboos" and degeneracy enough then eventually someone will make it for me

>>18035 Its not just empty buzzwords. The purpose of stereotypes is bundling traits into single terms. People accusing you of being X are basically saying "i think you hold this set of biases so im out". That aside your current reply of "i cant stand watching these fuarrrks go full emo on each other" is much more precise than "fuarrrk weebs". I wouldn't even attribute being sad fuarrrks to weebs. On the matter of community you just have to go to a hobby centered forum instead of a general site without a clear goal. Lowest amount of noise is if you go to places that aim to make money with whatever you're interested in.

>>18035 I mean, imageboards and chans are focused in anime. If you're looking for technology or programming specific content, look at forums and /tech/. You didn't state the subject you want to focus in, so I'm assuming you want to talk about your life and how bad imageboards are, so you should look at services like Twitter and Facebook.

>>15206 A little late to this thread but that sounds fuarrrking cool lain

>>18039 >I mean, imageboards and chans are focused in anime. Some are, but pretending all are is disingenuous. This may be Lainchan, but /λ/ and /sec/ both have rules forbidding things that aren't related to programming or security, respectively. I don't think it's fair to argue the entire imageboard format must focus on anime, because that just ignores why there are different imageboards and boards within them to start with.

>>18042 Its a given that subsections of a site will taint each other. Take two sites with a tech subsection, a photography site will use real images while weebs will use anime crop outs. I don't think it matters what kind of image you use to start a thread or if someone uses images in his replies. As long as posts stay relevant to topic its just flavor of the respective userbase.

>>18037 Blame the normal people who pushed me out of the internet I was comfortable in to begin with, it's not my fault if these are the only places left. And I have tried making that space myself, nobody joins in or cares even if I constantly find people who complain about the same things, because everyone but people on suicide watch or creepy obnoxious weeaboos have been absorbed by Twitter/Insta/Reddit's FOMO mentality. You do not even represent the real fanbase in that picture, weebs used to be OK, I liked old anime too, now it's all lolicons and sad horny loser waifu pillow collectors. This is a layered situation and it will get worse and worse.

>>18473 The thing is that communities have become about extreme conformists vs. the undesirables, and people who used to be comfortably part of a niche are now lumped with the latter unless they give up and let themselves be absorbed. I don't want to be absorbed, that's why I stick to these cultures I don't relate to. I'd like to be just passing by but I can't seem to find or create a place, the people I'm looking for seem to be all lost to the idiot box and they almost inevitably suffer because of it. I know a whole lot of them are dying inside while pretending they enjoy the multi-level stage play. But why is there only this as the alternative? I feel like I'm the only person who's this resilient.

>The thing is that communities have become about extreme conformists vs. the undesirables, and people who used to be comfortably part of a niche are now lumped with the latter unless they give up and let themselves be absorbed. I don't want to be absorbed, that's why I stick to these cultures I don't relate to. Homogeneity isn't bad per se. One bad thing about homogeneity is comfort. You'll be absorbed, singing out praise unto them as you sink in. Heterogeneity is more robust, but more work. I like heterogeneity. It's much safer. Keeps a man astute. A good heterogeneous society will have no distinct culture. There is, however, a culture; a culture of cultures, each person having his own (maybe some coïnciding), coëxistant by their effort or care; but to maintain such direxistive coëxistance.. How to find stable direxistive coëxistancial societies? Too much noncoëxistive direxistence might rend a direxistive coëxistancial society. Common theme? Personal accounting? さぁ.. >I liked old anime too, now it's all lolicons and sad horny loser waifu pillow collectors. It's not all lolicons. There are plenty cons where loli are tangential. I, too, prefer extant olders, for they have withstood longer contact with people. In their defense, a careful selection of sad horny loser waifus are among the softest things from which a pillow can be made. >Blame the normal people who pushed me out of You mean stupid people. Don't worry: wherever, whenever, however,, they'll be. If not careful, they'll become you. Exercising the intellect is great prophylactica. >it's not my fault if these are the only places left. No, it's not. Is it your fault you haven't found them? >tried making that space myself, nobody joins in or cares After how long? How soon became that judgement? Too-soon, methinks. >nobody joins in or cares even if I constantly find people who complain about the same things, because misery is bad company. >everyone but people on suicide watch or creepy obnoxious weeaboos have been absorbed by Twitter/Insta/Reddit's FOMO mentality. I must assure that I am not, and have never been, on any suicide watch, twitter, insta (especially those of the soy-based caffeinate varieties), FOMO, OFMO, MOFO, OOMF, FOOM, OMFO, OFOM, MOOF, OMOF, FMOO, or weeäbooëry of any sort. >pushed me out of the internet I was comfortable in to begin with, I'm lucky I've never been comfortable anywhere.

>>18034 >4chon Yes, I lurked pretty hard on there. Pretty sure I broke my brain in the process. All I remember now is some meme about black microphones and how the Jews use them to brainwash white girls into racemixing.

>>18516 >I'm lucky I've never been comfortable anywhere. Because you're too young to have experienced web 1.0

>>18524 There was nothing especially comfortable about ``web 1.0'' (even if I'm charitable and assume you meant HTTP/1.0 rather than as that old retronymic buzzword).

>>18032 Would someone clarify the nature, being of the conception, instances of hypercommunity? >Yeah. The internet fundamentally does this to our communication and relationships. This is why it's doomed. Come on, dude! The internet, fundamentally, is a network of networks (of computers). It's simply data transfer techniques. >It must be destroyed if we are to progress past this false end of history we've trapped ourselves in. Oh, yeah. Doom and gloom. The whole world must be dying because of quick long-distance data transfer. Last time I checked, quick long-distance data transfer has done exactly the opposite---envigoured markets, enhanced many an individual's ability to culturally, intellectually enrich himself. If there is a masochist who wants to use that technical boon in a way contrary to his weal, who are we to stop him? The best we can do is try to inform him of the possibilities, in case he's an idiot, instead of a masochist. Supposing you meant ``worldwide-web'' instead of ``internet;'' I would agree that present implementations (pardon my schwa) səck, but the web principles are sound. Specific problems, possible solutions, alternatives,, about worldwide-web are enough to warrant their own thread. (It goes far beyond the vague ``webbrowser səcks.'')

>>18008 >I don't even click on onions, I don't even want to see what I imagine is there I'm curious to know what you imagine is there. >The ones that don't cater to the absolute worst are dead They're not dead. They're slow. Do you know why? Writing a good---well formed, relevant---message takes time. Good literary habits help. Encouraging speed fosters poor intellectual culture, literary style. Quick! Quick! Respond to this message before the messageboard dies of sloth! There's no time to read through any it! Don't even think about it! And don't think about thinking about it either! Just reply! Reply now! You better already be typing or else it's all over for the messageboard! It would be more effective, in the long run, to seek those places having proper principles or protocultures, carefully participating towards supporting or improving them.

>>18008 The pure onion ones are pretty much just normal imageboards that for whatever reason no longer have a DNS, they're a lot less exciting than you think. Theres also the ones that just have both a hidden service and a regular site.

>>18629 The inactivity issue still exists, but if you visit many slower boards, you can patiently wait a couple months for a reply on one board, because you have many posts, a few on this board, a few on that board, et cetera that you're waiting for replies, so that on most days, there's probably something for you to do on some board. It's also important to not post faster than the rest of the board, to not pressure them to respond faster. (And don't take this fast reply as evidence to support faster replies. I just happened to be online at the same time.)

>>18629 AAAAAAAAAA I'M REPLYING VERY FAST

>>18629 I'm unconvinced that a truly slow board is a matter of people just taking their time to formulate responses (unless you define slow as anything slower than the soykaftest boards on 4chan). It feels far more a function of people just not checking the board that often which results in response times that vary based on when people are online and interested. While the extremely fast boards are generally lower quality due to the nature of large quantities of low value responses and the fact they will be filled with people averse to lurking, I cannot fault someone for wanting a board where they get responses within the hour rather than within days or weeks.

>>18634 >It feels far more a function of people just not checking the board that often which results in response times that vary based on when people are online and interested. Do you think this could be mitigated if people had a way to get notified when someone makes a post? A few chans (like this one) have RSS feeds, so there's a start. You just pop them into your feed reader and you'll get notified automatically when there's new posts (provided that it supports notifications). Reason I ask is because I feel like this is what happens: >person A makes a post >checks back every hour or so to see if anyone's replied >nothing every time >"every hour" turns to "every day" turns to "every few days" until they eventually give up >checks one last time, a month after they last did >someone (person B) actually replied but it was 3 weeks ago >B probably did the same thing, checking less and less often until giving up

>>18639 I think so, or at least some sort of way to constantly check for responses. I think that part of the reason why slow boards on fast sites often aren't seen to be as dead as slow boards on slow sites is that that the faster site will often have a threadwatcher and people will be on the website a lot more even if on other boards due to the speed, so that if someone replies to them on the slow board they get the little notification in the thread watcher and are able to respond a lot quicker. Compare that to a slow site where you have to make the effort to check and its easy to see how the situation you describe can occur. Whether the solution is RSS or some sort of federated or third party thread watcher, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to try.

Notification popup systems sap attention away from whatever you are actually doing. Its better to checkup manually whenever you have time if you wanna stay productive.

>>18639 4chanX does this, works on Lainchan too.

>>18639 >I feel like this is what happens: >>person A makes a post >>checks back every hour or so to see if anyone's replied >>nothing every time >>"every hour" turns to "every day" turns to "every few days" until they eventually give up >>checks one last time, a month after they last did >>someone (person B) actually replied but it was 3 weeks ago >>B probably did the same thing, checking less and less often until giving up So what did you learn from this? I learned that giving up is a poor cybersociage strategy. Another thing I learned is that I, not messageboards, need to do what I can---as lazy as I am---to check for replies. Some decades ago, it was more often that a person would cryptographically sign his messages. That made it exceedingly easy to follow authors---scan the pages for cryptographically signed messages by the authors I like reading. Likewise, having published a public key, it's exceedingly easy to find replies---scan for messages encrypted to me. Even if the reply is public, encrypting it to the intended recipient would indicate that that message is for that recipient. Likewise, scanning for cryptographically signed messages containing my name. Every week or so, I'd take a look at the collected messages. Some of them were junk---ignored. The ones that weren't were pretty good. It's quite possible for one to protect his privacy and have his messages associated with him---it's called pseudonymity. If you're careful, it'll be impossible to significantly associate the messages by that pseudonym with the person controlling that pseudonym---except for the fact that, whoever he is, he's presumably the author. Obviously, though, if you tell people who you are, then it defeats the privacy. Anything that I cryptographically sign strictly adheres to whichever of the standard style guides I chose when I started that identity; that way, I can maintain multiple identities that won't seem too similar.

>>18634 >I'm unconvinced that a truly slow board is a matter of people just taking their time to formulate responses (unless you define slow as anything slower than the soykaftest boards on 4chan). It feels far more a function of people just not checking the board that often which results in response times that vary based on when people are online and interested. OK. Fine. Suppose you didn't find any active slow messageboards. (Ignoring the ones that have too much crap, obviously.) Find one that really is dead. Write excellent messages. Start developing a good messageboard culture. Wow! Where did that come from? It's a messageboard with a decent protoculture! And you're already there! How did that happen‽ >I cannot fault someone for wanting a board where they get responses within the hour rather than within days or weeks. I can. Persons are unreliable. Well composed finished data are not. If I need to know something fast, I'll consult that vast stores of data, which are vast even if ignoring not well composed or not finished data, that already exist. Only if it's on the frontier of knowledge would a person need to be involved. That person might be a specialist who's already interested in making the knowledge, or who might be made interested by the right incentives. Or, that person is me. It may be that it's already known how to derive that knowledge. Then, it's a matter of deriving that knowledge. If it's urgent, you might derive it manually, but it would be better to figure out how to instruct a robot to derive that knowledge, so that precious sapient time is not wasted. If it's something for which it's not known how to derive that knowledge, then novel research is needed. The thing about novel research is that it's unknown how long it will take, or whether the result is going to be any good; so we continue supporting arbitrary novel research: over decades, it's an excellent investment---over hours, not so much. (Over months?, there's a fighting chance that something comes of it.)

>>18715 This is nonsense. If I post a message somewhere it means I am interested in receiving a reply, or I wouldn't post it. This is the whole point of having a conversation, you are sharing things with other people and you get something back. The environment needs to make this as efficient as possible. On a message board you are bound to internal thread watchers or browser extensions, most of them do not have a notification service. I'm not going to keep checking on an empty board for days to see if someone replied, and I am not going to bother longposting on a literally who board filed with 2017 memes in hope that someone who's still checking back from Discord will feel inspired by my "reviving of the culture". Give me an RSS feed or a mailing list and I'll contribute to image boards on life support, otherwise this is just an inefficient and fairly stupid way to have a conversation online compared to pretty much everything else (IRC, PhpBB, etc.) Of course when a board is too populated it becomes filled with spammy cancer like the bigger boards on 4chan, but the ideal is a briskly paced conversation. Also I detest this whole "do it yourself" thing, this is all complete crap. You cannot create a culture by yourself, you cannot save or revive a culture, you need cooperating people for it. This is a thing that you cannot control, the only people who believe otherwise are content consumers who never contributed anything anywhere who feel annoyed when those who contributed feel like there is no place to contribute any longer.

>>18742 >If I post a message somewhere it means I am interested in receiving a reply, or I wouldn't post it. This post genuinely weirds me out because I've always assumed that most of the time people say things because they want to say them and (You)s are just a bonus. Thanking people, for example, isn't something done while expecting an "You're welcome" reply, and the same for showing your appreciation of something. It's like, forgive the impoliteness, lainon views every conversation as a debate involving a back and forth.

>>18772 Yes. If I type something on this board it's because I hope there are human beings on the other side who will send a signal back. I am getting in touch with other human beings, what's the point of wasting time typing on a forum if nobody replies? There's this bizarre narrative on the internet that if you do something expecting literally anything back you are some sort of narcissistic psychopath. Why, yes, if I do you a favor I'd appreciate if you said thanks, if you don't bother doing as little as wasting a little oxygen to thank me I will not do you a favor next time. By your sane and healthy logic talking to a chatbot with the intention of communicating with it is just as good as talking to your best friend, why it doesn't matter if there's a person on the other side, it doesn't matter if the person will say something interesting back. I feel like this is the mindset of pathological consumers, is that it? Are you the same person who yells at a musician if he says he wants 0.99$ for his music?

>>18773 > why it doesn't matter if there's a person on the other side, it doesn't matter if the person will say something interesting back Those are 2 different points that dont belong together. A chatbot who replies with good information is better than a person who replies with memes. Secondary both views (yours and that other dudes) have some validity, it depends on circumstances. There's a big difference between entertainment sites and sites for information exchange. I don't help for a thank you on the latter, that's worthless to me. I help because i expect to get help in return. Not necessarily by those i help though. A community works by helping each other without keeping tabs who owes who. The higher quality a site is the better is its ability to attract people and improve the amount of people who can contribute their knowledge. This approach is however not meant for sites like this one where posting happens for entertainment and not information exchange. Entertainment happens mostly from replies which aligns with your stance.

>>18773 I don't have anything to say, so I'm replying to let you know I've read your post.

>>18775 I would pay for a neural network based script that filtered all posts with an anime image.

>>18776 Thanks for the reply, friend, have one more for the trip.

>>18773 human being on the other side here. mostly I just don't know what to reply, so I remain silent. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all the lainons to keep this place alive. I was looking for a place like this for many years.

>>18774 >Those are 2 different points that dont belong together. A chatbot who replies with good information is better than a person who replies with memes. I know but I was replying to the argument that you ought to express yourself for the sole sake of expressing yourself, so any consideration of what you're getting back like your observation about quality makes you an entitled sociopath and it's totally weird.

>>18781 I'm assuming that the argument refers to >>18772 , forgive me if it doesn't. >ought to I did not say "ought to", I didn't use any expressions relating to obligation, morality or appropriateness, and I don't think I implied anything. I certainly didn't mean to. >express yourself for the sole sake of expressing yourself I also didn't say that. "Posting for the sake of posting" (to quote my original post, "saying things because you want to say them") and "posting to express yourself" are two different things, even if the latter might be considered a special case of the former.

>>18773 Its the difference between a blog and board, if I post to a board I want to take part in some form of conversation and exchange of ideas. I want to be challenged or have feedback on what I say and equally I want some acknowledgement that people have read it.

>>18784 It's the second time I end up in a conversation with you and you always say gross stupidities and then grasp at straws while posting anime avatars when I call you out on it. You heavily implied my thoughts were abnormal and brought up an "ought to" as an example. >Thanking people, for example, isn't something done while expecting an "You're welcome" reply This appeal to normalcy is nothing but that. >"Posting for the sake of posting" (to quote my original post, "saying things because you want to say them") and "posting to express yourself" are two different things You are factually incorrect because expressing yourself means literally "to put into words" or "to communicate an idea" which is inevitably what you are doing when you are making a public post. This is an extremely poor argument on semantics. Do you really think posting smug lolis gives any weight to your posts? You are really stupid and annoying. I'll just ignore you from now on, thankfully there is a way of knowing it's you.

>>18786 >This appeal to normalcy is nothing but that. I said you were weird, yes. I said it explicitly in that first post, in fact. I didn't say you were immoral or ought to be different. >actually thinking weirdness = bad >in a fringe cyberpunk imageboard >You are factually incorrect because expressing yourself means literally "to put into words" or "to communicate an idea" which is inevitably what you are doing when you are making a public post. This is an extremely poor argument on semantics. You misunderstand. For example, "threadly reminder" type posts (the kind that are literally posted every thread in 4chan), or, for an absolutely ancient example, "First" posts aren't done to express an opinion, and they aren't done for replies either, they're done for the sake of being done (tradition, in a sense). >Do you really think posting smug lolis gives any weight to your posts? I didn't really post any smug lolis. This >>18775 one is almost smug, but I still wouldn't call it that. >I'll just ignore you from now on Do what you will. Am I your mother to tell you who to talk to?

>>14350 Greetings from zoomerchan.com Lainons.

>>18742 >If I post a message somewhere it means I am interested in receiving a reply So am I! Sometimes. But I want a good reply. e.g. Something that I couldn't have thought up on my own in a few minutes. >You cannot create a culture by yourself, you cannot save or revive a culture, you need cooperating people for it. Pernicious nonsense! Everybody could enrich a hundred messageboards a year. They oughtta do it, too. >the ideal is a briskly paced conversation. The two hemispheres are fundamentally at odds. >The environment needs to make this as efficient as possible. An efficient discursive environment should conduce good replies---not necessarily fast replies. >>18785 The difference between a blog and board is that a blog overtly has a discursant more powerful than each other. >>18773 >I am getting in touch with other human beings, Don't assume that I'm human. >By your sane and healthy logic talking to a chatbot with the intention of communicating with it is just as good as talking to your best friend Thank you for recognizing the soundness of that reasoning. Shall we doubt your? A sufficiently advanced artificial discursant is as good as a natural discursant---maybe better. (How do you know his best friend is not an artificial discursant?) >what's the point of wasting time typing on a forum if nobody replies? I'll write for myself. Sometimes, I write a message, not because I want to convey some idea or solicit a response, but because it helps focus my composition. Then, I save the text on my end, maybe refine it to get it to be the way I like. If there's a place whither I can as I want, and it'd be appropriate and good enough, to publish there, I might. It's really just for me. (I think this habit started near my starting using TOR; write a message, try sending, learn they don't let messages from TOR; save it, later: refine it, try again publishing maybe elsewhither.) >Why, yes, if I do you a favor I'd appreciate if you said thanks I hope you won't do unto me that that want done unto you. I prefer my ears' sensation not wasted on banalities. Please: don't bother wasting those syllables. >Are you the same person who yells at a musician if he says he wants 0.99$ for his music? Yes. I am the one person who yells at a musician. I work tirelessly to ensure that consumers can listen to any music before deciding how much it's worth. My throat is sore beyond relief.

>>18002 What site is this? I want to steal the css and see what they were talking about it. Tsuki was a good lad in retrospect.

>>19082 i think they took down the boards i also tried the discord, but I was just getting kicked by them because new user looks like they just want a elitist place to comfort thier superiority complex

>>19147 >but I was just getting kicked by them because new user are you sure you weren't just getting autokicked by the bot? iirc they had it set up so that if you don't post in over a week it boots you. you weren't missing much anyway. the discord was pretty bad.

>>19151 I actually was getting kicked for not wanting to post a pic with a pinkie in my nose with initiate wrote on it. when i told him to fuarrrk off he just kicked me over and over. there were some nice people over there, i think I will try miniwa. maybe they don't have cancerous mods.

>>19073 Not him, but >>You cannot create a culture by yourself, you cannot save or revive a culture, you need cooperating people for it. >Pernicious nonsense! Everybody could enrich a hundred messageboards a year. They oughtta do it, too. I think you're misunderstanding him. Enriching an already alive community / board isn't exactly the same thing as "saving", "reviving" or "creating" a community. It's impossible to save a community if there's nobody around to take part in it. If a messageboard is dead, and if people who've previously been actively partaking in that community have stopped coming to check the board out for new posts, then writing a good post isn't going to do much about it. But I do have to say that it isn't impossible to create a culture yourself (although you do need other people willing to join and contribute to it) - you just need to be a creative geek and manage to attract enough other creative and fanatical geeks centered around a common hobby or interest to keep the culture afloat and stable. It also helps if you've got a massive ego and can fend off anyone who threatens the harmonious association of the community's subjects.

>>19166 Thought I'd to link to a site explaining the evolution of subcultures, because it's kinda related to the thread. https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

>>19166 >other creative and fanatical geeks the only fanaticism today is political and creativity is dead

>>19169 >the only fanaticism today is political and creativity is dead There's no need for such pessimism. Surely there are still fringe communities on the web who are qenuinely passionate about stuff and who are creating and doing novel things and thinking about stuff in novel ways - although, I must admit, not one example pops up into my mind at the time of writing this.

>>19176 >although, I must admit, not one example pops up into my mind at the time of writing this. Because none exist. I know it's unpleasant but this is reality. Just look at all the projects that set out to thrive on forces like creativity. Look at Neocities. It's a couple lain fansites (fanstuff is not creative by definition, sorry) and a handful of the most pulseless, lazy attempts at recreating soykafty late 90s html sites with cliparts and marquees. The only original input is that you can also find the author's pronouns and a twitter link on his hollow exercise in nostalgia that last updated when Neocities stopped trending on socials.

>>19177 I had to do some digging, and while I can admit that most of the sites on Neocities are powered by nostalgia, there are still at least a couple of sites that aren't fandom (as far as I can tell) and which I consider to be original. https://neocities.org/site/bad-luck-enterprises <It's been awhile since I last checked this website, and it seems that the project has been sacked, but it used to be a really creative site... https://al1-ce.neocities.org/ Dunno what you think about these windows 98 interface sites, but at least they aren't "lazy attempts at recreating soykafty late 90s html sites with cliparts and marquees". https://kohlzine.neocities.org/ The site itself isn't creative and most of the memes appearing in the zines aren't new, but I consider some of the contributions to be quite original. https://dreamy.neocities.org/ Don't really like or care for this one, but I don't think it's fandom or a 90s html site. >https://blackwings.neocities.org/ I know, it's just a fauux ripoff and obviously inspired by Lain, but there are a couple of things which strictly speaking can't be attributed to SEL fandom (the Book of Rok, for instance). >https://wielant.net/ Looked cool despite the marquees. A couple of channels on Youtube I've stumpled upon, which I think are being creative: Video Trash https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJbfVDZ5WLKk54M_2WnpPJg Realfake Newsource https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-VQb7UnUyLMJWL6oxd4M2A James Lee https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3XI0MtMTgqauxFS3Umi5Eg Maybe there isn't as much creativity on the internet as there was on the olden days when literally everything was new, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's completely dead.

>>19180 >Look I posted some ilnks, even if I don't really think they represent anything creative for the most part. >This site was last updated when Neocities stopped trending, but... >This is not creative at all, but... >This is yet another snowflake webcomic that looks exactly like all the other webcomics down the color palette and art style, but at least it's not fanart! The last link, that web serial, is fanfiction. And weebsh*t in inherently uncreative as it's literally drawn soap opera for kids, but that's my opinion. Not going to bother trying to get invidious to work on the YT links.

>>19181 Fine, but if it's not too much to ask, could you share what is it that you'd consider as being creative? Or, to put it in another way, if the whole idea of creativity or creative media/content is these days impossible or completely dead, then what was the last thing that you though of as being creative?

>>19182 The latest things I can think of are late 2000s. It's not that people stopped having creative thoughts, they stopped being receptive to them so those who'd attempt such things have stopped trying and make memes instead. There is such a thing as wasted potential.

>>19184 >they stopped being receptive to them so those who'd attempt such things have stopped trying and make memes instead Now, that does sound a lot more reasonable an assessment than "creativity is dead", although the endpoint of what you just said is, I guess, basically the same. If you don't mind, I'd like to pursue this line of inquiry into what you'd consider to have prompted such a development in our culture, but I suspect that I already know the main reasons, so I won't. Besides, this thread probably isn't the place for that sort of discussion.

>>19185 >what you'd consider to have prompted such a development in our culture It's easy to blame social media but I think digital files and globalization. I can have one copy of a book or 10000 for no change in cost and I need to earn 10$ with it where another person somewhere else only needs to earn 1$. The worth of labor for physical goods is similarly fuarrrked but as far as digital goods there is no worth anymore, so the fabricated worth of advertising matters even more. I predict that as the years go by the product itself won't even matter anymore. I've already seen people buy or pretend they liked a piece of media entirely because they thought they were supposed to like the thing. A lot of culture already works like collectibles.

Thanks for posting these, lainon. Every few months I come back to 4chan's /g/ just to notice that it's full of people who don't even care arguments and instead resort to namecalling. It's time to find a new home, I guess.