HOW 2 SURVIVE?

THE PRICES ARE GETTING MADDER IN THIS /cyb/ WORLD AAAAAAA ITT: Extreme poor users, cashless NEETs, Hobo survival, Instant ramen and more poverty. First question: what's the cheapest edible clusterfuck i can make with stuff made from soykaf that can be bought from a supermarket? Starvin' here, fellas...

who family dollar here? literary everything is one dollar, tiny loaves of bread, 6 pack of eggs, dollar sausage liter box milk. fuarrrking kill me, please...

>>13863 Buy flour. Look up a recipe for hardtack its literally flour and water and its kept people alive for hundreds of years

Learn how to cook rice and beans and you can have a surprisingly dignified life while being ѕһіt-poor. Avoid the pre-made "easy" cheap food. Rice is plenty easy.

Rice is a good option but beware, bland taste, too much watery if eaten alone too long, a tendency to contain cancer-causing arsenic, low in fiber and probably bad for teeth... Man cannot live on rice alone, but it can help. Beware of ANYTHING sold at the dollar store, nearly EVERYTHING they sell is somewhat poisonous. :/

I heard a good trick is to soak noodles in water until they're soggy. Tastes like crap, but it's supposed to be more filling. If you're really starving, maybe you could look for some edible wild plants and stuff, depending on where you live.

This is in no way healthy... But you can reduce appetite greatly but having butter with what meals you do have. Not healthy! But at least have real-dairy butter.

>>13869 lol what? Most of the world's population eats almost nothing but rice. It's pretty much fine. But yeah, obviously you can't just eat one thing exclusively. That's what the beans are for! And condiments. Cancer-causing arsenic? Literally all soil has some level of arsenic, along with all food that grows in it and all beings that eat that food.

If you truely are desperate, and not just struggling at end of the month, go to the nearest food bank or church pantry or whatever exists in your neighborhood. Depending on procedures they may or may not ask you to sign a guest list and/or show ID. The food products given would likely be some combination of personal donations, day-old store donations, USDA supplies, ugly-carrot farm donations... You might get some dirty looks asking for a loaf of leftover break from a senior center if not a member. :/ If they let you come weekly the care bundle will probably be not quite enough to sustain you for a week comfortably...

I think this is the absolute cheapest diet you can buy while still being mindful of nutrition, starting with $6.55/wk ($0.94/day). For the $7~$12 range you can tweak to perfection the amounts for better nutritional balance. For example with a daily combination of 180g peanut butter, 200g canned crushed tomatoes and 125mL milk you get milk's calcium earlier (to prevent calcium deficiency's worst symptoms), you can afford to cut a bit of peanut butter since 52g of protein is unnecessary as you can survive with 40g of protein, and a bit of Vit B12 (12%) is better than nothing to delay Vit B12 deficiency's worst symptoms. Don't waste your money on instant ramen, that is a rookie mistake, extremely overpriced. Don't bother with noodles or rice it's just carbs with some trace minerals. With exception to fiber, carbohydrates are unnecessary for survival. Not only are beans (kidney, black, pinto, navy, lima) packed with protein they have plenty of fiber. So if you're rich enough to afford fresh/dried groceries, go for beans, potatoes, and some other veggies of your choice (whatever's cheapest and will supply you with enough Vit A, the potato already gives you some Vit C). Some jerk here might shiII you with liver, do not eat more than 30g because it has an insane amount of cholesterol and vitamin A (a fat-soluble vitamin which is toxic if you go way above 100% RDI).

>>13863 Potatos... cheap and filling. Don't eat the eyes or anything green, it's poisonous. I just cut out any green or bad spots, scrub them well under running water, cut them up and eat them, skin and all. Delicious with a little salt. Cabbage... you need a "leafy green" vegetable to stay healthy, and cabbage is about the cheapest. Rice... cooks quickly in a microwave and provides a lot of calories for cheap. You can dump almost anything else into it and it tastes good. Beans... also cheap and nutritious, but a lot more trouble to cook than rice. Lentils, Split peas... almost as easy to cook as rice, just takes a little longer. Canola oil... healthy and cheap, you can fry with it or put a little on your other food. For high-quality protein you can use non-fat dry milk. It seems insanely expensive, but it lasts a long time unrefrigerated and you can mix it with other foods. It's great in coffee. Used this way, you get a lot of protein for a long time, and it's cheaper than buying meat. Buy some other cheap veggies to munch or add to the rice once in a while. You can make quick-bread in a microwave easily. Flour, a little salt and sugar, canola oil, and some baking powder (not baking soda). Tastes great. But first take the other lain's advice and hit a church food pantry if you don't have any money at all. That'll keep you alive.

>>13886 Oops, put some dry milk in tha quick bread, too. Almost forgot.

>>13863 Not a poor user, but fried rice with peas, an egg and soy sauce might be a good option

>>13863 >>13865 this lain has the right idea you need: flour water oil if you can afford it put 3 cups flour in a bowl add enough water so that it gets sticky add more flour so it is dry and mouldable put drop of oil on pan heat pan like mad stretch flour into tortillas fry and enjoy delicious tortillas flour is 99c for 5lbs here, that is ~8000 calories for 99c aka 4 days of food dried beans are also a good thing

mealworms eating trash is a good source of proteins and fats, they stink though

Where are you located? If you're poor enough to the point you can only afford ramen and you're living in a first world nation you should qualify for some kind of public service that gives you food, or vouchers to buy food with. This probably isn't what you want to hear, but I think it's important. Your body NEEDS certain fat-soluble vitamins and other nutrients only found in animal products. Peasants in China don't live off rice. They put whatever protein sources they can find into that soykaf, which mostly ends up being insects and leftover bits of animal. Look at videos of people who've been vegan for ~10 years. They look 20 years older and can barely string a coherent sentence together. The health of your brain should be a top priority. I understand if you're struggling to actually survive, but in that case how the hell are you on the internet right now? A phone? How do you afford data? Public wifi/a library? Then you probably live in a first world nation where programs exist to help people like you.

rice and beans

>>13916 I'm not selling my alienware, shark.

>>13863 Potatoes and milk give you literally everything the body needs to survive.

Go to farmer's market at the evening before closing. They usually give away slightly bad-looking fruits for free because they'll dispose of them anyway. If they don't, you can walk along the stalls and "try" their fruit. Works all the time. Now, I haven't even touched dumpster diving behind supermarkets. Not available everywhere, but if true, generally gives great profits. Don't try to invent "soylent" from seemingly cheap ingredients, it won't work, main nutrients in all food are vitamins and minerals, you can live off them and consume body fat for energy, but you won't live off pure carbohydrate without vitamins very long.

>>13906 >>13909 >>13953 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Deficiency https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-c-deficiency-symptoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_A_deficiency https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-a-deficiency-symptoms >>13956 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_A_deficiency https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-a-deficiency-symptoms

>>13959 This isn't the old high seas. You'll encounter enough of that stuff in daily life to meet your requirements practically by accident. As long as you're not like living in a bomb shelter with literally only one staple to eat.

Quickbread recipe. I just eyeball the measurements, so they're approximate but close enough. Mix a cup of wholewheat flour, a half cup of dry milk, a half tablespoon of sugar, a little salt, and a teaspoon of baking powder in a pyrex bowl. Mix in enough water (about half a cup) to get a consistency of pancake batter. Don't overmix it, leave it bubbly. Mix in a couple of tablespoons of canola oil. Nuke about five minutes, depending on your microwave. Just break it in half and see if the middle is done. If you want more of a cake than a bread, use a lot more sugar. You can also add Hershey's cocoa powder to make it chocolate.

>>13960 The OP specifically says "ITT: Extreme poor users, cashless NEETs, Hobo survival, Instant ramen and more poverty." That means no normiɘs who take their luxuries for granted. So yes, you do have to treat this like "living in a bomb shelter with literally only one staple to eat" and be as precise as you can to ensure you are consuming an adequate amount of essential nutrients and calories for survival and proper bodily functions.

>>13959 Uh, vitamin A comes in milk, anon... https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=500ml+milk

>>13959 >>13906 Add: Buy/Steal the cheapest bottle of vitamins with C and A you can find and take as proscribed. Alternatively, apparently tomatoes have vitamin C. Crushed canned tomatoes are generally ~90c for a big can. Mix with dried black beans (1$ a pound, cook the beans before mixing by boiling in water until soft) for an easy meal. Vitamin A seems a bit harder to get, since butter and cheese are expensive. According to [1], a hard boiled egg has a bit of vitamin A (8% DV). A dozen eggs should be ~99c. Place eggs in boiling water, let sit for ~10 minutes. Pour off hot water, add cold water, let sit for a minute or two. Peel and enjoy, ideally with salt and pepper. >>13993 suggests milk, which sounds like a better approach. If you look around, you may be able to find milk for 1-2$ a gallon, which is alright for budgeting since you get a decent amount of calories. So now you are spending: 99c every 4 days for flour 90c every 2-3 days for crushed tomatoes 1$ every 2-3 days for black beans 1$ every 3-6 days for eggs OR 2$ every 6 days for milk and may/may not die of nutrient deficiency. Personally, I budget ~25$ a week for food for 2 people. We generally eat lots of: Flour Dried beans Onions Tomatoes (crushed) Potatoes Bananas + Apples Eggs Milk because we can get it for 1.30 a gallon and then splurg items like meat/fish/cheese/chilis/vegetables [1] https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-high-in-vitamin-a

uhh learn to cook actual food (ramen, toast, and tendies don't count). start growing food. what and how depends where you are. look into bio intensive especially if you're in a city and can compost. if you're really interested get a post going and i'll contribute. Dumpster diving is also a great resource.

again, *real food*

You can get tons of cheap vitamin A in carrots.

>>13863 pumpkins peanuts beans brocoli beans -- all grow easily in the americas. you've also got to know what foods in your area you can forage for. deer / elk / pig hunting as well as fishing are good resources. you also might want to look into bug / grub farming.

>>13863 Find a good foodbank, my man. No need to starve yourself when you live in a society driven by excess. Supermarkets will get rid of perfectly fine soykaf just to clear off inventory space and cash a decent tax write off. Growing up half of my food was from the food-bank and some of it still is. Save for the veggies that spoil quick during the summer most of the soykaf is like if you would've bought it off the shelf. I did community service at a foodbank a couple times. All the stuff you realize would've otherwise been thrown into the dumpster.. Makes you think about those little African children more than that plate of steamed asparagus you were forced to eat as a kid.

>>14043 No, you get tons of cheap carotenoids in carrots, which your body then has to convert into retinoids (vitamin a) in order to use. The conversion process requires protein, fat and other nutrients including riboflavin, niacin, iron, and zinc. The rate of conversion and absorption depends on your genetics, which at best is around 3%, and at worst is 0%. Assuming you can convert it (roughly half the population can't) you would need to eat a LOT of carrots - and not be deficient in the nutrients necessary to convert it, and have a healthy gut (which, if you're surviving off ramen, you do not). https://philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth/

>>14161 Your source... ...my god. Cook the carrots and you get way different numbers. Double check your data. Nobody is sitting home eating a bag of raw carrots.

>>14171 The point was that regardless of how much beta carotene you pump yourself full of, your body is terribly inefficient at converting it into vitamin A, and some people can't convert it at all. (I'll retract the "half the population" bit as I can't recall where I heard that and don't have a suitable source off-hand; but it is true that some people have gene polymorphisms that severely inhibit their ability to convert it.). Yes, you can increase the amount of absorbable beta carotene by cooking it, but it's still beta carotene. You still need to convert it. You're right about the lazy source. Here is a better one: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/91/5/1468S/4597430 So the conversion ratio for carrots is 15:1, my bad - but it's still paltry. In the end my point stands: you need to eat a lot of fuarrrking carrots, you need to eat them with fat, and you need to have a healthy gut microbiome. And just to be clear, this isn't a debate on if you should eat carrots; it's on whether on not it's a good idea to try and save a few bucks by getting all of your vitamin A from carrots alone. I think not, but you do you. >Nobody is sitting home eating a bag of raw carrots. Look up "raw vegan".

No need to look for vegan cooks, raw carrots are swell. Nice and crunchy, mixes into most anything, and grated they're incredibly sweet and juicy. Goes great on hardbread, or just in salads. Honestly, cooked carrots are an exception to me.

>>13863 There's a duo who have recently been covering the subject of Prison food, that's made using common and usually very cheap ingredients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QeOKtmjwT8&list=PLMviV1kG2V2ikjJtDs0viYVNwOeLXo7W6 Obviously I wouldn't recommend the last one, but the first few of em might give you some options.

>All this plant soykaf Learn to hunt neighbourhood cats op, you'll never go hungry again

other than what others have said, i'll give an option that others aren't always able to choose: gardening legumes, flint corn, sunroot, squashes, beets, turnips, malabar, jicama, and devil's claw are great plants to grow, and are easy to grow albeit the malabar, jicama, and devilsclaw are hard to get seeds for other than online, the sunroot is pretty area specific & can be found every now and then, same with the jicama, but you usually find jicama in root form, which is unwanted for growing i seriously recommend looking up specifically malabar & sunroot malabar is a beautiful plant & can be easily mistaken for a decorative plant & can be used decoratively; it grows VERY easily in warm climates (it dies in frost instantly though), its grown for its sizeable leaves, and it also has berries too, the vines grow around 10ft long, so it can be large at times; it can be invasive too, but its easily curbed sunroot, usually known as jeruselem artichoke, is a tuberous sunflower; its EXTREMELY hardy (but in a violently sunny environment like the desert, it needs shade), it grows in poor soil, it is tasty, it creates large thickets, and its HORRIFICALLY invasive, but if grown in pots its "safe" beans are fuarrrking great though, i love mungbean personally

Cheapest of the healthy foods: cantaloupe, $0.50/lb russet potatoes, $0.56/lb green cabbage, $0.58/lb bananas, $0.60/lb carrots, $0.74/lb canned beans, $0.90/lb canned tomatoes, $0.92/lb canned spinach, $0.99/lb oranges, $0.99/lb canned chili con carne, $1.25/lb whole wheat bread, $1.35/lb milk, $2.50/gal canned tuna, $3.00/lb Your local "store-brand" prices may vary. None of these foods require cooking.

>>13863 Glory Bowl. = grain, beans/tofu/tempeh/buffalo chixinwangs-protein, and some shredded and chopped vegis' Add some rice vinegar AND BOOM. You got a cheap and delish meal right there in front of you bro. \glory bowls all the way bro.

>>14474 Wow yeah I just opened a big can of beans and a tin of tomatoes and got a spoon. What the HECK, guy?? You have to COOK these foods! You can't get a head of cabbage and start chomping away either. XD

>>13863 if you cook your own food instead of buying precooked soykaf you're already going to save up. I'm sure a pack of pasta costs less than a can of instant ramen

>>14171 >Nobody is sitting home eating a bag of raw carrots. When I'm hungry for a snack I just peel a carrot. Eating carrots also teaches you to chew better which helps digest and makes you feel full without overeating. A lot of people don't chew enough.

>>14486 If you really think you can't just open a can of beans or tomatoes and eat them uncooked, or tear off a piece of cabbage, rinse it and eat it, you must have lived a very sheltered life. They're all delicious that way.

>>14528 Well I guess you're right, but if the question is "technically how low can you go if you don't care how you live as long as you survive" then you can pull scraps from the garbage for free. Therefore it wouldn't be the best answer.

>>14529 Not him, and you can do that, but the produce has to be good. If they're good tomatoes you can just bite into them and they're sweet and delicious. I helped a friend collect his tomato harvest and we'd just eat them off the plants with no salt or anything. It really puzzles me that Americans are so much against plants that aren't heavily processed or seasoned. It's not a crazy vegan thing, a lot of produce is good raw in salads and it's not a poor diet. If anything it's eating processed garbage every day that is closer to dumpster diving.

>>14531 Americans are obsessed with sterility. We are all germaphobes to a certain degree due to the marketing that has influenced us for generations. Soaps, and microbial agents, the marketing of antibiotics and antifungals, the mold scares, the vaccine and outbreak scares of the 40s-50s-and 60s. There are hundreds of individual data points that point to an ever increasing disdain for anything not steamed, salted, burned, and bleached in the american media stream, and ultimately in the minds of the american people at large. If you lived in a world, where your soykaf and piss disappeared at the push of a button in a swoosh of clean drinking water, your garbage magically dissappeared from a big box somewhere, and all of your food was prepared by someone else seemingly by magic in the name of "customer experience". Then you were fed a continuous stream of audi-visual BS relating to diseases and food quality spooks in people eating "from the earth" or in places not blasted by sterilizing agents, you too would be averse to trying new(to you), affordable, and efficient ways of acquiring food.

>>14533 I get you're just being poetic, but you can find a toilet or two outside of the US.

>>14486 raw cabbage is great, I don't know what you're talking about very common in salads, too

>>14531 Well okay. So if you've lowered your standards to mere existence and believe in the nobility of a raw food diet for economic reasons, then go pick garbage I guess. I don't think economics should force people to have to defend eating vegetable peelings from the garbage but the world is big enough for loads of opinions. And all peeling, cutting, and cooking is processing. If you eat unprocessed food all the time then you're putting in a whole lot of work to live a lifestyle that's below most species that eat fruit. At least the ones with thumbs that can peel it first (which is processing).

>>14536 >raw cabbage is great >just peel off the outer leaves, core it, wash it, mix it with other vegetables, and coat it with a dressing Wow man... Why must you Americans eat all this processed food all the time? What happened to taking a head of cabbage and chomping away?

>>14540 are you having as hard a time understanding cook as you did the word "too"?

>>14542 You guys think eating unprocessed food is so great, why are you worried about cooking? Just dig potatoes out of the ground and swallow them whole.

>>14543 >tfw I actually do this with small potatoes Hey man, that is a little close to home compadre.

>>14540 they called coney island the playground of the world. we used to take a head of cabbage and just chomp away at it on the beaches. they dont do that anymore, bite straight into the cabbage....

>>14543 >>14540 >>14539 This just sounds like you're being stubborn. I see how most Americans eat, you don't even touch groceries. The whole idea that eating cheap = fast food and instant ramen is ridiculous to someone whose default is wasting 20 minutes to cook his food. You can slice most groceries and grill them for dinner, pasta or rice with whatever for lunch, it's going to cost a fraction of that and it's much more complete.

>>14543 >You guys think eating unprocessed food is so great we who? cabbage was a stupid example, that's on you, I don't care for the "organic" memes

>>14548 at jack in the box you can get a meal in 5 minutes for 5$ that includes a borger of your choice, two tacos, and a fuarrrk ton of fries + curly fries. Getting the meat to make 4 patties is like 5$. You can make healthier meals for cheaper but if you are a murrican whos just gotten off work at 5 pm and you maybe even got a kid or two that jack in the box meal isnt insanely higher than if you made it yourself for no effort and less time. If you are on food stamps or have seen people on it the most noticeable thing or tell is if they walk out with a fuarrrk ton of junk food in big packages. The amount of junk food you can stock up on compared to quality food, the difference is huge. Im not saying you are wrong, there definitely is just a culture aspect (depending on where in the US you are). Here in khalifornia we keep pretty thin. However you also gotta understand the US historically and to this day totally encourages this soykaf. I said 5$ its even cheaper in other states and also im positive fast food chains vary portion size from state to state. Ive had mcdonalds here and mcdonalds in arizona and those arizona mcgriddles are thick as fuarrrk. Im a poor boy and the cheapest things I get usually are frozen vegetables, canned beans and fish/chicken, rice and pasta, etc. Fresh groceries are pretty expensive, however I dont think youd consider what I listed bad. Im just at school though, I dont work and between my own ebt card and an aunt sending me 100$ a month I get by, no kids, im def not your average american. You wouldnt be considering the whole picture to think its just americans not realizing how they can make a better meal for cheaper. Milk is still cheaper than water, and most of our parents were alive for "government cheese", that american processed cheese but in a massive subsidized block for poor families. I got tap water here in my dorm bathrooms, but if your out and about and your thirsty and are dying for a drink a bottled coke is cheaper than bottled water unless you get those big jugs.

>>14550 >if your out and about and your thirsty and are dying for a drink a bottled coke is cheaper than bottled water Holy soykaf that's unbelievable. Either way the long term health issues you will have from eating like crap will cancel the immediate savings you're getting now. I'd rather eat less and be thinner than eat junk food because it's more bang for the buck - nutritionally speaking. You might not feel it now but in a few years it does add up on your body, and you won't have the money to cover the costs. Modern people eat way too much anyway, if you talk to a nutritionist you really understand how abormal our meals are.

>>14551 no I agree. sodas fuarrrk my stomach up pretty bad so I usually just wait for a water fountain or something. And with food I know I can go for longer than I think without it. But when everyone has been told from childhood here that you need 2000+ calories everyday and that you should be eating breakfast lunch and dinner everyday and you combine that with a job involving very mimimal activity, plus the fact that so much of America is designed for driving around rather than walking or taking a bus, plus the stuff I talked about in that previous post, you are gonna get a lot of unhealthy people. By some fault of their own but the trend can be traced to larger decisions made higher up.

>>14552 Yes, the reason why meat is so cheap is that it's heavily subsidized by governments. Meat costs a lot more than what you actually fork at the supermarket. But sadly there is not a lot you can do about this, and people don't even understand what it means or care about the consequences. Get a reusable water bottle and fill it up before going outside. Even steel ones are cheap now. I don't know how good tap water is in the US but here it goes through very rigid standards and it's safe to drink. America really does sound like a consumerist nightmare.

>>14548 >>>14543 (You) >>>14540 (You) >>>14539 (You) > I see how most Americans eat No you don't.

>>14557 >No you don't. That's ironic considering this other lainon's post >>14550 >If you are on food stamps or have seen people on it the most noticeable thing or tell is if they walk out with a fuarrrk ton of junk food in big packages. The amount of junk food you can stock up on compared to quality food, the difference is huge. Even when I see American "quality food" it's always really fat and cheesy unless it's a reactionary blog of a raw vegan eating nuts and berries. Sorry but you folks just eat poorly, that's a fact. And given how weird your healthcare is, I wonder if your nutritionists tell a completely different story than ours.

>>13869 The risk is excessive sugar

>>14564 Added sugars, refined carbohydrates, and saturated fats all contribute to general inflammation and lead to poor health. You get plenty of sugars and carbs in fruits and vegetables, and healthy oils in fish like mackeral, salmon, herring. That's one of the reasons why whole grains like brown rice are better for you than refined grains like white rice. For example, eating rice crispies has about the same effect on blood sugar as eating pure sugar. On the other hand, foods high in magnesium and fiber, like potatoes and bananas, and beta-carotenes, like carrots and sweet potatoes, reduce overall inflammation despite their sugars and carbohydrates. Tea and coffee have this effect, also. It really doesn't take much money to eat delicious, healthy food if you know what you're doing.

Depends, are you part of the 0.9% of the population that can actually handle a plant-based diet? If so, use the good advice in this thread and head to the food bank. If not, probably rare steak or literally any cooked animal protein and fruit mixed with high-fat yogurt. Raw beef has enough vitamin C in it to prevent scurvy, and human physiology is adapted perfectly to digesting protein and animal fat. Animal fat is incredibly energy dense and will actually satiate your hunger (unlike carbs). Your body will adapt to the low-fibre diet within a week probably, and you will soon notice that you do not need to eat as much every day because you are actually meeting your metabolic needs, for once. Buy this stuff when it's on sale, I guess. Plants are your food's food. Don't eat your food's food anon, that's just rude. Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>14607 >how to eat on the cheap cheap >just buy steak lmao not the sharpest bulb in the shed, are you?

>>14611 So buy pork, fruit, eggs and yogurt (and use the yogurt to make more yogurt from milk) then lmao, not every country has stupidly expensive beef. If that's still too expensive, then go to the food bank and be miserable on a vegan diet like everyone has suggested. Or find some fat slut with a government job, get her pregnant and subsist on breastmilk and emotional validation.

>>14611 Also some food banks do have meat, you don't always have to pay for steak.

>>14612 Why would you be eating beef like some pansy when you could subsist on kaviar and champagne?

>>14616 like just go to a party, don't even have to pay for champagne

>>14607 >Depends, are you part of the 0.9% of the population that can actually handle a plant-based diet? Is this what lains call neurosuggesting?

Bread, whole milk, and multivitamins for playing on extreme poverty mode. Also steal the vitamins

>>14627 you can survive on nothing but that for at least a week. Or just skip the vitamins and get potatoes instead of bread if you have a hot plate and a pot

>>14547 I want you to know that I got that reference, and it made me laugh. Slightly more on topic, a lot of this thread assumes America. Are different things cheaper in other countries? I would assume yes. If so, what kind of things. Another question I have is if you're taking a multivitamin, can you basically just eat any old cheap garbage? Are there no other health problems that would occur?

>>14635 > Connie Allen If you don't take vitamins with proper meals you piss it all out anyway.

>>14492 Eating more than very small amounts of raw carrots give me the worst gas imaginable, no thanks.

>Another question I have is if you're taking a multivitamin, can you basically just eat any old cheap garbage? Are there no other health problems that would occur? Some recent studies indicate that taking multi-vitamins as a supplement might not be very effective. However They're probably better than nothing for someone on a diet that lacks nutrients. Note that you can actually overdose on a few of the non-water-soluble contents if you take too many. Eating "any old garbage" can indeed lead to poor health. The so-called "Mediterranean diet" is pretty close to optimal.

>>14642 Intake form is critical for effective dosage. I've read about vit D out of personal interest and the oil-form is 2x more effective than tablet. Someone only looking at concentration would easily mess up his dose. Capsule was somewhere between both. The other benefit of oil-form is it has no questionable additives like the other 2. Also from everything i've read the recommendation are too conservative to have any real effects. You can see this even in clinical trials where they use over 3x the recommended amount. Just got to be careful because no all vitamins are save to overdose. As for "can i eat any crap if calories arent a problem" - gut flora still constitutes a problem. It has been noted that you can permanently alter your gut flora eating mc'd. Some prof did a study using his kid as a lab rat and he killed 40% of his gut flora letting him eat only mc'd for 2 weeks - that means they are permanently gone until reintroduced as there's nothing left to regrow from. So soykafty diet can permanently alter your gut flora.

Surprisingly you can buy chicken breasts where I live for dirt cheap, you can get like 4 small to medium sized breasts for around 4-5 euros. The only downside is that they expire in like 5 to 7 days. Still though they're a great protein source. Tuna is also neat but a bit pricey, sardines here are essentially the poor man's tuna which are also delicious.

oatmeal for brekkie(not the instant kind, it's worth the wait imo) rice & eggs for dindin, with vegetables and meat on the side if you can find some for cheap. I usually default to buying spinach, it's $5 for about a 1 week supply and has good nutrients. Occasionally I'll buy a sack of potatoes and live off them for a few weeks. Cheap, tasty, and filling but I get tired of them fast tortillas with peanut butter, toast, and dry ramen bricks for snacks throughout the day. Don't buy beer. Hard liquors are a better deal. Reward yourself with some good prepared food when you can afford it. I can afford about one burrito per week if I don't spend too much. I've lived like this for years and the only downside is occasional gut problems.

Not OP, but what would you guys recommend in a street-homeless situation, where storage space and ability to cook become big factors?

>>17773 Canned sardines, canned beans, canned spinach, canned mixed vegetables, dried foods like nonfat dry milk with whole grain cereal. Peanuts, sunflower seeds, dried fruit like raisins. You can make instant coffee cold and add dry milk and sugar.

>>13863 Literally dollar menu Mcdonalds. You can survive for a couple of dollars per day in there. Beyond that rice, beans, and a one a day multivitamin supplement.

>>13864 Dollar stores are extremely underrated if you check dates strictly. Most grocery stores like Kroger, Jewel-Osco, and others of the like are artificially overpriced. Unless it's the dollar store or a warehouse style like Costco/Woodman's you're getting ripped off.