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Is there a single board on the clearnet about cyberpunk in general rather than all these sub-compartmentalized boards of cyberpunk, other than this board of course, but its half dead. No forums either. God I miss /cyber/

Cyberpunk is dead

Long live cyberpunk

probably not a imageboard, but they're forums.

>>13212 IT'S RAMEN DREEEM

>>13216 We could remake /cyb/ as an overboard, however it would just need tagging support implemented.

>>13218 This post made me consider whether there exists a sort of /tags/ IB, where instead of going to, say, tagchan.xyz/retro/ an d posting, you rather input some tags in your post, say: /retro/games/media/ and upon browsing tagchan.xyz/retro/ you get all posts with such a tag in it included. Perhaps this can be made experimentally here in lainchan upon the existing code, just add a Tags field where you can choose /cyb/ and something alike what I just describe would happen. Do we still have that joke thing that makes your post tag as a joke?

>>13219 Are you familiar with what a booru is? Here are some examples, but note they're mostly used for porn: https://danbooru.donmai.us https://derpibooru.org

>>13212 If you look at cyberpunk boards you see they actually have little content anyway. The same threads recurr >What is cyberpunk >How can I become a Cyberpunk >How does a cyberpunk dress Whatever cyberpunk is, its undecided as a subculture. Culutral elites / Influencers need to start "doing cyberpunk" and putting it out. Lainzine the best vehicle to meme the shazzbot cybermasses into 水 life. It seems to me we are all here for something undefined.

>>13212 there's alt.cyberpunk.* on usenet but it's kinda dead last I checked :(

There's /cyber/ on 8kun.

>>13218 Yes

All cyberpunk forums are dead because 99% of discussion is >how do I become a cyberpunk >what do cyberpunks run on their computers >what do cyberpunks wear when hacking megacorporations while sitting at the top of megacorp building (lol) >off-topic discussion not related to cyberpunk As long as there isn't any kind of consensus on what cyberpunk is in the real life there won't be a good place for discussion.

>>16731 >>16324 This. Honestly I've started to believe that whenever a subculture starts getting too introspective it's essentially over. For example, the glitch art scene can't shut the fuarrrk up about "what is glitch art? is this glitch art? does using a phone app called "glitch art" count as making glitch art?" Meanwhile nobody's done anything innovative since we all figured out how jpeg files work and the entire medium is being reduced to a graphic design aesthetic. I like that we don't have threads like that here too often. I'm happy to leave "cyberpunk" in the 90s and just continue on with whatever's next.

>>16734 I suspect that cyberpunk can largely avoid this because there's large amounts of cornerstone/bedrock ideas that are well settled and cemented. With glitchart, it is little more than an aesthetic in the first place, it never had an ethos to it. On the contrary, cyberpunk features aesthetics, but also philosophy, software (and its development), an ethic (largely modeled after anarchism in terms of spirit and purpose), real world manifestations (hardware projects, for instance), and huge cross-over with other sub-cultures (cypherpunk, anarchism, marxism, and so on). Honestly, it isn't introspection that kills a subculture (look at (music) Punk, they're hugely introspective, and the subculture just keeps going), but rather apathy. That's why fringe art movements like glitchart never get anywhere, they waste their time navelgazing and fail to ever develop cultural mores.

It wouldn't be cyberpunk if it was just navel gazing about cyberpunk. IMHO, this board is as cyberpunk as it gets without resorting to roleplay. >>16734 >For example, the glitch art scene can't shut the fuarrrk up about "what is glitch art? is this glitch art? does using a phone app called "glitch art" count as making glitch art?" But that ties back to >>16324 >Culutral elites / Influencers need to start "doing cyberpunk" and putting it out. The glitch art movement is just the people who make glitch art. Inevitably, there's going to be spin off aesthetics, but the people trying to name the movements are less important than the people creating new stuff.

>>13212 What a plowable ramen girl Cyberpunk is not dead, I have a slight fear this board might be facing an oncoming wave of idiots when that cyberpunk 2077 game is released...

>>16792 Why not play cyberpunk2020.

>>16792 cdproject is where blizz was 5 years ago, they have the brand fanbase at its height but the entire core team is replaced and now its just gonna be a slow dead milking the image. They even lost the story team midway and replaced them with some freshman. Reminds me also of that jap dev team who took a fresh graduate as story lead writer and ran their old franchise to the ground in a single game. Was a jrpg, forgot what it was. >>16792 >40k >steampunk 40k is much closer to cyb while wh fantasy has actual steampunk elements. Also ghost in the shell is a better candidate than lain for a shadowrun theme coverage.

>>16792 Beautiful image.

>>16738 >With glitchart, it is little more than an aesthetic in the first place, it never had an ethos to it It did though, and a pretty good one at that. It's all about bringing attention to the mediating role of technology by revealing its inner workings through failure states. It could also be looked at as a kind of "readymade generative art" in the dadaist sense. As a subculture I guess it's like a cross between new media art students and demoscene (and in my opinion it's the former overrunning the latter that caused its stagnation). >Punk, they're hugely introspective, and the subculture just keeps going It's kind of funny, I almost used punk as an example of a subculture that lost its edge and became too self-concerned and introspective in the post you're replying to. Glitch art and punk actually kind of have the same problem where they became "cool" enough to attract people that couldn't really understand the underlying ethos. I wasn't really trying to say that introspection kills subcultures. More that when a subculture stops innovating they tend to get introspective. It's just a symptom or a sign, so there's no real need to discourage it. >>16791 >The glitch art movement is just the people who make glitch art. Inevitably, there's going to be spin off aesthetics, but the people trying to name the movements are less important than the people creating new stuff. Right, I was agreeing with that post. Glitch has become less innovative in my opinion and that has allowed it to become dominated by those spin offs you mentioned.

>>16793 We should do that over the mumble server one of these days >>16809 Yeah... I can't fuarrrking stand blizzard or blizzard fans. I feel bad for the old cdprojekt fans who are going to see a brand they like possibly deteriorate. I really hope the normal people will not ruin cyberpunk as a genre with that game... Which the game itself seems cool, I'm just afraid of the genre becoming redditized. >>16810 Holy soykaf, I totally missed that lol

> about cyberpunk in general bound to fail, large community about "all things cyberpunk" will not take off. anything that can be delved deeper into, will have its own community, possibly as a part of some other community. e.g. hacking. why would hackers come to a fuarrrking cyberpunk board? or anything else.

>>13212 I'm here, so I'll be with you forever.

The issue with cyberpunk is that when done as socio-political commentary in 2020, it's DOA. All that remains about it is the aesthetics, which were meant to look oppressive over stylish, so what you end up with in cyberpunk environments is people who love the dead horse and actually represent what cyberpunk meant to criticize. I rarely see cyberpunk that portrays itself as dismal. Even more rarely I see cyberpunk that focuses on the individual. It seems like collective narratives are the preferred thing. Many characters instead of one POV who experiences things subjectively. It's like a sci-fi version of urban fantasy, hollowed out.

>>16324 >Whatever cyberpunk is, its undecided as a subculture. Culutral elites / Influencers need to start "doing cyberpunk" and putting it out. Lainzine the best vehicle to meme the shazzbot cybermasses into 水 life. It seems to me we are all here for something undefined. Nonono. I think you don't get it. Cyberpunk is a well defined subculture. The problem is that hiding is integral to that culture. It's like the old joke about snipers finally being invited to the veterans day celebration---they were always there, but noone saw them but each other: the first rule of sniping is see your target; the second rule of sniping is don't be seen. To be cyberpunk, you cannot let noncyberpunks know you're cyberpunk. That's why all the explicitly cyberpunk messageboards---visible to the public---are full of posers or wannabes. Lainchan seems to curb this tendency by not having too much explicit ``cyberpunk'' and was much less ``cyberpunk'' in the past. In the past, when the internet itself was cyberpunk, messageboards could be explicitly cyberpunk, but now they serve the wonderful function of being containment chambers for posers. The upside is that because they're not really cyberpunk, a real cyberpunk can hide there, mingling about the posers, maybe watching for real cyberpunks that might emerge. So: >How can I become a Cyberpunk The principle of cyberpunk is all you need to know. Then, it's up to you to live by that principle. Once you're living by that principle, we'll find each other. So then: >What is cyberpunk What is the cyberpunk principle? It's the same as the punk principle. It's about being an oasis of humanity in a cruel world. In cyberpunk specifically, it's about being an oasis of humanity in a robot world. A robot is any thing---human or otherwise---that blindly follows instructions, without creativity, without intelligence,, without humanity. That's the cruelty of the world we live in, and will always be. Through all time, most persons are unwilling or unable to bend or break the systems, to think through the consequences of one's actions beyond whether it breaks some rules, even when it benefits everyone or at least doesn't harm anyone. It's a lot of hacking. The `high tech'' stereotype is due to the masses of technology that exist. Hacking a system involves interfacing---however directly or indirectly---with it. There tends to be a lot of `cutting corners' in the cyberpunk lifestyle. This is for greater efficiency, so that you can spend more of your precious time being human to each other. This is where the `low life' stereotype comes from. For example, living in a soykaf neighborhood means you can spend your money on more important things, like having an emergency supply of necessities, or investing in good (profitable, nonpollusive) businesses, or just donating to a good causes/organizations/persons. (If you can afford it, have you donated to any developers of software you use gratis? I think you should, but you might have a better use for the money---you probably know yourself, your needs, better than I do.) And the final question: >How does a cyberpunk dress Now that you know the principle, the answer to this question should be obvious.

>>19290 >Even more rarely I see cyberpunk that focuses on the individual. It seems like collective narratives are the preferred thing. Many characters instead of one POV who experiences things subjectively. Have you seen Darren Aronofsky's π, or Steven Soderbergh's Schizopolis? Both are patently cyberpunk and both have a patently individual perspective. On the other hand, I haven't seen any cyberpunk fiction having a collective perspective.

>>13212 >No forums either. There is(it's kinda dead but...): https://www.cyberpunkforums.com/

>>19328 Don't forget Francis Ford Coppola's The Conversation.

>>19290 I don't really see cyberpunk as a form of cautionary dystopian lit. I think most cyberpunk (in particular Gibson and the authors he inspired) are actually more like westerns than anything else. The characters are always fringe types finding independence on the frontiers of society. It's just that in the global internet age the "frontier" is no longer a physical place. When people romanticize cyberpunk they're romanticizing a lifestyle which accepts hardship in exchange for independence. It's no surprise that people would think this way in a world where the weight of civilization is so omnipresent and palpable. Cyberpunk is a response to this world in a similar way to how early 20th century westerns were a response to the rising tide of industrialization. >It seems like collective narratives are the preferred thing I think this just comes from it being under the scifi/speculative fiction umbrella. It's hard to tell a grand narrative about where society is headed when you're limited to the perspective of a single nobody.

>>19328 >Darren Aronofsky's π If that's cyberpunk then Videodrome is cyberpunk, or Jacob's Ladder is cyberpunk. Unless you broaden the definition of cyberpunk until it's way off the point of "dystopian interconnected future" then cyberpunk media is pretty narrow in scope.